#1 [00:06] * Keltinray [Keltinray@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#2 [00:09] <skyboy> ??>> nyg081 pm
#3 [00:10] <skyboy> did you select the texture in the texture packs thing on minecraft, nyg081?
#4 [00:11] <nyg081> Yes
#5 [00:12] <skyboy> did the texture pack already come as a zip?
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#7 [00:13] <nyg081> no i had to compress it into a zip
#8 [00:13] <DiskDaemon> nyg081: Where did you download them from?
#9 [00:13] <skyboy> check the zip and verify there isn't an extra folder in it
#10 [00:13] <Joey> When i start up minecraft it says it cannot start because i need to upgrade my video card driver, how can i do this?
#11 [00:14] <nyg081> the forum
#12 [00:14] <DiskDaemon> ??> Joey win/dxdiag
#13 [00:14] <VoxelHead> Joey: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#14 [00:14] <VoxelHead> Joey: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#15 [00:14] <skyboy> what video card do you have, Joey?
#16 [00:14] <nyg081> http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/513093-32x16x125-dokucraft-the-saga-continues/
#17 [00:14] <DiskDaemon> Joey: That will give us info so that we can then help you from there
#18 [00:14] <DiskDaemon> nyg081: Where did you go from there?
#19 [00:15] <nyg081> i clicked dokucraft high and downloaded the link
#20 [00:15] <DiskDaemon> nyg081: That file is downloaded as a zip file, which should be what you got from them too
#21 [00:16] <nyg081> i have a mac would that affect anything?
#22 [00:16] <DiskDaemon> nyg081: nope
#23 [00:17] <DiskDaemon> Ahh hang on, other info is coming to light
#24 [00:17] <DiskDaemon> "If your mac converts all zip files into folders, then you must turn all those files back into a zip file! To do this, highlight all the files in your folder, right click, and click 'compress (#) files'. It will compress these files into a zip file named archive, which you can rename to the name of your texture pack" http://www.planetminecraft.com/blog/how-to-install-texture-packs-on-mac/
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#26 [00:18] <TuxOtaku> hey guys....I run my own minecraft server and I'd like to embed the minecraft launcher on my site. Is this possible? and if so, could someone help me with an embed code of some kind?
#27 [00:18] <nyg081> i believe i did this but i'll give it another go
#28 [00:18] <DiskDaemon> nyg081: I'm sorry that your being on a mac is causing you troubles
#29 [00:19] <skyboy> actually, by not using safari, you can have it not unzip it automatically
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#31 [00:19] <DiskDaemon> What would you advise that he use instead?
#32 [00:19] <skyboy> safari has a "feature" that causes it to automatically execute some downloads, including zips, without permission
#33 [00:20] <skyboy> so you can actually get malware by using it
#34 [00:20] <DiskDaemon> Go to Safari > Preferences > General and uncheck "Open 'safe' files after downloading"
#35 [00:20] <skyboy> he can use nearly anything else: IE for mac, Firefox, Chrome, Opera
#36 [00:21] <DiskDaemon> Or he can adjust that setting in his web browser :)
#37 [00:21] <nyg081> DiskDaemon thank you so much turns out i had been been zipping the entire file not the individual ones its working perfectly now
#38 [00:21] <Joey> for some reason i cant go to pastebin.com?
#39 [00:21] <DiskDaemon> Joey: There are others, such as tinypaste.com or pastie.com
#40 [00:21] <skyboy> what's that other one? pastie.org?
#41 [00:21] <DiskDaemon> or paste.ubuntu.com
#42 [00:22] <DiskDaemon> Oh, pastie.org is the one
#43 [00:23] <teetor314> ok back
#44 [00:23] <Joey> http://pastie.org/4269783
#45 [00:23] <teetor314> anyone need help that isnt already being helped?
#46 [00:23] <skyboy> ??> Joey gpu/amd
#47 [00:23] <VoxelHead> Joey: (gpu/amd) You can get drivers for AMD (formerly ATI) video cards here: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx
#48 [00:24] <DiskDaemon> teetor314: what sort of help are you able to provide?
#49 [00:24] * Elystus [Elystus@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#50 [00:25] <DiskDaemon> ??> teetor314 dont/pm
#51 [00:25] <VoxelHead> teetor314: (dont/pm) We prefer to assist people publicly, so that others can benefit if they have the similar questions. Please don't PM people who are assisting you unless they have asked you to, or you are sending private information.
#52 [00:26] <DiskDaemon> teetor314: Okay - would you like to do an exercise, where I have a server that currently doesn't want to accept connections?
#53 [00:27] <teetor314> ok
#54 [00:27] <teetor314> is the server hosted online or locally
#55 [00:27] <DiskDaemon> It's a local server, on the same computer that I am using now
#56 [00:27] <teetor314> ok hmm
#57 [00:27] <teetor314> are you sure its port forwarded correctly?
#58 [00:27] <DiskDaemon> Yes, I'm sure (don't believe me)
#59 [00:28] <teetor314> ok can you walk me through how you port forwarded?
#60 [00:28] * Elystus holds back
#60 [00:28] <DiskDaemon> err, I went to the web site and followed the instructions
#61 [00:28] <teetor314> what website
#62 [00:28] <DiskDaemon> I don't know now. Do you know of one?
#63 [00:29] * DiskDaemon plays it up for the audience
#63 [00:29] <teetor314> indeed I do disk
#64 [00:29] <teetor314> http://portforward.com/
#65 [00:29] * skyboy watches in amusement
#65 [00:29] <DiskDaemon> Ahh that's a good one. What do I do there?
#66 [00:29] <Elystus> *cough* ask him for his router model and make *cough*
#67 [00:30] <teetor314> I know elystus
#68 [00:30] <teetor314> ok in order to guide you to the correct place on the site for you, i need to know your routers make
#69 [00:30] <DiskDaemon> It's a Linksys WRT54G, but I don't think that will help, because some linux guy replaced the router firmware with dd-wrt instead
#70 [00:30] <teetor314> ah dd-wrt
#71 [00:31] <teetor314> let me check the site, and ill see if its still able to be used with dd-wrt
#72 [00:32] <teetor314> ok so you said the defualt software was replaced with dd-wrt, so the procedure will be different then if you had the defualt linksys firmware
#73 [00:33] <DiskDaemon> okay
#74 [00:33] <teetor314> fortunely the dd-wrt site has a helpful resource to assist us
#75 [00:33] <DiskDaemon> can we check that the server works locally before working on external stuff?
#76 [00:34] <teetor314> yes we can
#77 [00:34] <teetor314> open your minecraft launcher
#78 [00:34] <teetor314> and in the server tab, click direct connect
#79 [00:34] <teetor314> and type in localhost
#80 [00:34] <teetor314> providing your server is on, you should be able to connect
#81 [00:35] <teetor314> let me know if you are able to
#82 [00:35] <teetor314> please
#83 [00:35] <DiskDaemon> nope, connection refused
#84 [00:35] * Elystus is baffled by DiskDaemon's acting abilities.
#84 [00:35] * teetor314 is impressed
#84 [00:35] <DiskDaemon> "Failed to connect to the server - Connectionr refused: connect"
#85 [00:36] <teetor314> can you please post your server startup log to pastie.org?
#86 [00:36] <teetor314> can you please post your server startup log to pastie.org?
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#89 [00:36] <teetor314> and provide me with the link
#90 [00:36] <DiskDaemon> http://pastie.org/4269830
#91 [00:36] * teetor314 is impressed so far
#91 [00:36] <teetor314> Alright, do you have more than one server running off the same computer?
#92 [00:37] <teetor314> or perhaps another program that uses the same port?
#93 [00:37] <DiskDaemon> Just the one currently. Do you want me to start another one?
#94 [00:37] <teetor314> Shut down the server that you cannot connect to please, and try starting a server with defualt options
#95 [00:37] <teetor314> no changes to the config file or anything
#96 [00:37] <DiskDaemon> okay, how do I do that with default options?
#97 [00:38] <teetor314> alright copy the minecraftserver.exe program to a new folder
#98 [00:38] <teetor314> ok?
#99 [00:38] <DiskDaemon> okay - copying it to a new folder
#100 [00:38] <teetor314> ONLY copy the program, none of the other files
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#102 [00:39] <Elystus> o/
#103 [00:39] <teetor314> alright once you have the server launcher in the empty folder let me know
#104 [00:39] <DiskDaemon> done
#105 [00:40] <teetor314> alright, make sure your server is shut down for me please, before we start this new server
#106 [00:40] <DiskDaemon> yes, server is shut down
#107 [00:40] <teetor314> ok
#108 [00:40] <teetor314> I need you to check something before we start the new server for me please
#109 [00:41] <teetor314> alright?
#110 [00:41] <DiskDaemon> okay
#111 [00:41] <teetor314> go back to the folder your server that is having problems with is
#112 [00:41] <teetor314> and open the server.properties file using notepad
#113 [00:41] <DiskDaemon> okay, it's opened up
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#115 [00:43] <teetor314> is there an IP in the server.properties file under the server ip=
#116 [00:43] <BPK> I've been trying for the past year to get my ports forwarded, but it still fails to open. Any suggestions at all?
#117 [00:43] <teetor314> or is it blank
#118 [00:43] <DiskDaemon> teetor314: There is. Mind if we leave my situation until BPK is all settled?
#119 [00:43] <skyboy> BPK: router model/make?
#120 [00:43] <teetor314> sky do you wnat to help him, or shall I?
#121 [00:44] <BPK> D-Link DIR-615
#122 [00:44] <BPK> http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/Dlink/DIR-615/Minecraft_Server.htm
#123 [00:44] <BPK> That has been most unhelpful.
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#125 [00:44] <DiskDaemon> teetor314: It looks like skyboy has it. We'll leave ours though until things quieten down in here again
#126 [00:44] <skyboy> BPK: have you been able to connect to the server on 127.0.0.1?
#127 [00:44] <BPK> yup
#128 [00:45] <skyboy> what's the error people get when they attempt to connect?
#129 [00:45] <BPK> Can't Reach Server
#130 [00:45] <BPK> it doesn't even exist for them.
#131 [00:46] <BPK> I can't connect through external IP either, nor ipv4 address.
#132 [00:46] <skyboy> can you paste your public IP for me here?
#133 [00:46] <skyboy> nor? there should only be the IPv4 address
#134 [00:46] <DiskDaemon> He may be connected on an ipv6 connection
#135 [00:47] <teetor314> true
#136 [00:47] <BPK> My external address is different from ipv4
#137 [00:47] <BPK> According to all websites
#138 [00:47] <skyboy> ??> BPK java/ipv6
#139 [00:47] <VoxelHead> BPK: (java/ipv6) Java sometimes likes to bind to IPv6 at the expense of IPv4. Since you (for the time being at least) probably want to use IPv4, you want to add the following switches to the script you use to start your server:
#140 [00:47] <VoxelHead> BPK: (java/ipv6) -Djava.net.preferIPv4Stack=true -Djava.net.preferIPv6Addresses=false
#141 [00:47] <skyboy> you may also need to disable IPv6 in your router
#142 [00:47] <skyboy> i'm not sure minecraft current functions on v6
#143 [00:48] <BPK> I'm pretty sure it's not supposed to run on v6
#144 [00:48] <teetor314> Not currently skyboy
#145 [00:48] <BPK> Why is it that my ports don't even forward
#146 [00:48] <skyboy> teetor: one would think that the Java abstraction layer would allow it to work, however
#147 [00:48] <teetor314> Not neccasarily
#148 [00:48] <skyboy> BPK: because it doesn't handle the addresses correctly and can't respond
#149 [00:48] <BPK> -Djava.net.preferIPv4Stack=true
#150 [00:48] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: Powershell does not seem to diffrent to cmd prompt.
#151 [00:48] <BPK> -Djava.net.preferIPv6Addresses=false
#152 [00:49] <BPK> ok phew, I thought I was going blind for a second
#153 [00:49] <skyboy> those are options you pass to the server
#154 [00:51] <skyboy> BPK: is your server presently running?
#155 [00:51] <BPK> yes it is.
#156 [00:51] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: This is an example of a powershell script: http://dougfinke.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/Convert-FromWinForm_thumb.jpg
#157 [00:51] <skyboy> !check 184.65.22.44
#158 [00:51] <BPK> with the new switches
#159 [00:51] <skyboy> can you connect locally?
#160 [00:51] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: Oh, well time to het my programming head on :/
#161 [00:51] <Elystus> get*
#162 [00:51] <BPK> Yes I can
#163 [00:52] <skyboy> and you forward port 25565 to your local address in the server?
#164 [00:52] <BPK> Yes, I forwarded TCP and UCP 25565 to my ipv4 address
#165 [00:52] <BPK> in my router settings
#166 [00:52] <DiskDaemon> What is the ipv4 address that they were forwarded to?
#167 [00:52] <skyboy> what's your IPv6 address?
#168 [00:53] <DiskDaemon> teetor314: Your pm just turned up in a different channel that I was in. Please try to avoid that
#169 [00:54] * teetor314 listens
#169 [00:54] <skyboy> ??>> BPK dont/pm
#170 [00:54] <skyboy> you can get your IPv6 address off a website like portforward.com (in the upper right)
#171 [00:55] <skyboy> you can PM the address, if you don't want it public
#172 [00:55] <BPK> err.... on
#173 [00:55] <BPK> http://www.whatismyipv6.net/ it says my public address IS my ipv6
#174 [00:56] <BPK> So...I guess I don't have one
#175 [00:56] <teetor314> type just whatismyip.net
#176 [00:56] <BPK> Yeah, it just gives me the same one
#177 [00:56] <skyboy> well, i meant if you don't want everyone to know your address
#178 [00:56] <teetor314> hmmm
#179 [00:56] <Elystus> Thank god, powershell is case in-sensitive
#180 [00:57] <skyboy> !check 184.65.22.44
#181 [00:57] <BPK> "things look grim"??
#182 [00:57] <teetor314> its an auto response
#183 [00:57] <skyboy> it can't establish a connection
#184 [00:58] <skyboy> but i'd like to see your IPv6 address to attempt a connection. if it fails, you may look for an option in your router to disable IPv6, or it may be that yuor ISP has fulyl migrated
#185 [00:58] <teetor314> wouldnt be surprising sky
#186 [00:58] <teetor314> no offense
#187 [00:58] <BPK> well I see my ipv6 address in cmd
#188 [00:58] <skyboy> yes.. i can't, but i need to
#189 [00:59] <BPK> I guess I'll just type it out manually
#190 [00:59] <skyboy> you can copy it from one of those other websites
#191 [01:00] <BPK> I already said, it just gives me my external ipv4
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#193 [01:02] * teetor314 lost connection
#193 [01:03] <Scott> We actually see when you disconnect :P
#194 [01:03] <teetor314> lol
#195 [01:03] <DiskDaemon> teetor314: want to go back to the exercise with my server issues?
#196 [01:03] <teetor314> sure disk
#197 [01:04] <DiskDaemon> okay, you asked me to open the server.properties file
#198 [01:04] <teetor314> yes, and you said there was an ip listed under server ip =
#199 [01:04] <skyboy> scott: conference mode (+C) suppresses that information in my client
#200 [01:04] <DiskDaemon> Yes, there was an empty field so I filled it in. Should I not have done that?
#201 [01:04] <skyboy> that or running continuously for a month has .. altered it
#202 [01:04] <teetor314> Lets try with it empty
#203 [01:04] <teetor314> erase the ip and try starting up the server
#204 [01:04] <DiskDaemon> Okay, empty. Server is started
#205 [01:05] <teetor314> can you pastie the server startup log?
#206 [01:05] <teetor314> please
#207 [01:05] <Scott> skyboy: client side, not server side.
#208 [01:05] <DiskDaemon> Sure, here you go http://pastie.org/4269898
#209 [01:05] <skyboy> scott: well, i can't see what the server sees :P
#210 [01:06] <Scott> Your fault!
#211 [01:06] <teetor314> alright pelase try to connect to localhost in your minecraft client
#212 [01:07] <skyboy> my fault?
#213 [01:07] <skyboy> you're one of the ops, you set conference mode! :P
#214 [01:07] <teetor314> Disk, were you able to connect?
#215 [01:07] <DiskDaemon> Uuh, connecting to localhost still fails
#216 [01:07] <DiskDaemon> Uuh, connecting to localhost still fails
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#218 [01:08] <teetor314> ok what is your external ipv4 address please, including the port you forwarded
#219 [01:08] * DiskDaemon created three common problems for this exercise with the server
#219 [01:09] <DiskDaemon> My ip address is 202.0.57.62, and I forwarded to 192.168.1.140
#220 [01:09] * teetor314 besides the port forward, server.properties, and IP address
#220 [01:09] <teetor314> ?
#221 [01:09] <teetor314> alright one moment
#222 [01:09] <DiskDaemon> The server.properties was one
#223 [01:09] <teetor314> hmmm
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#225 [01:10] <Elystus> Are the all server side problems?
#226 [01:10] <Elystus> they*
#227 [01:10] <teetor314> who are you talking to elystus
#228 [01:10] <Scott> Conference mode must be new.
#229 [01:10] <Elystus> DiskDaemon
#230 [01:10] <DiskDaemon> They're all related to it, yes
#231 [01:10] <Scott> I didn't set it :P
#232 [01:10] <Elystus> okay :)
#233 [01:10] <DiskDaemon> Hey, when I ping localhost I get strange results
#234 [01:10] <teetor314> strange?
#235 [01:11] <teetor314> in what way disk
#236 [01:11] <DiskDaemon> Strange localhost ping results http://pastie.org/4269911
#237 [01:11] <Elystus> .-.
#238 [01:12] * teetor314 is looking at pastie log
#238 [01:12] <zkxs> can I guess?
#239 [01:12] <teetor314> of course you can
#240 [01:12] <DiskDaemon> sure
#241 [01:13] <zkxs> He changed the localhost entry in /etc/hosts
#242 [01:13] <zkxs> or whatever windows uses
#243 [01:13] <DiskDaemon> Oh that's right. What's a good way to solve that?
#244 [01:13] <teetor314> well thats possible
#245 [01:13] <Elystus> it is hosts that is used
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#247 [01:13] <zkxs> I don't think deleting the hosts file would work
#248 [01:13] <teetor314> not usually
#249 [01:13] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: Should I make a script that parses the hosts file?
#250 [01:14] <zkxs> just have him use 127.0.0.1
#251 [01:14] <Elystus> and deletes all bad lines?
#252 [01:14] <teetor314> the defualt adress might work
#253 [01:14] <teetor314> ok now i feel dumb -_-
#254 [01:14] <teetor314> i ususally do fine at this
#255 [01:14] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: Nah, it's not a good idea to use localhost for this particular reason anyway
#256 [01:15] <DiskDaemon> teetor314: How would I go about editing the hosts file?
#257 [01:15] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: I know, but for other reasons. Such as having minecraft.net or s3.amazon.com blocked.
#258 [01:15] <DiskDaemon> That could be useful, yes
#259 [01:15] <Elystus> it could aslo parse for local host
#260 [01:16] <zkxs> Elystus: Just have it check the OS and replace the whole thing with the default one, no editing necessary
#261 [01:16] <teetor314> true
#262 [01:16] <teetor314> very good idea zkxs
#263 [01:16] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: When I direct connect to the server using 127.0.0.1 it works
#264 [01:16] <Elystus> zkxs: But but... its more fun that way ;-;
#265 [01:16] <teetor314> ok so to edit your host file, you need to open the run command alright
#266 [01:16] <zkxs> Oh. I understand completely.
#267 [01:16] <DiskDaemon> Hang on though, some security programs add necessary other lines to the hosts file. Just blasting it away isn't a good idea
#268 [01:17] <teetor314> correct
#269 [01:17] <DiskDaemon> teetor314: Yep
#270 [01:17] <DiskDaemon> teetor314L Opening the run command
#271 [01:17] <teetor314> i am not suggusting deleting it
#272 [01:17] <zkxs> I suppose you'd want to make some rules for ok lines and have it comment out everything else
#273 [01:17] <Elystus> zkxs: I was going to make it target specific lines.
#274 [01:17] <DiskDaemon> teetor314: The run command is open. What do I type there?
#275 [01:17] <Elystus> rather than make it ignore lines
#276 [01:18] <teetor314> ok so sorry disk, instead of the run command we will want to use the notepad program instead
#277 [01:18] <zkxs> I suppose that is a better idea :/
#278 [01:18] <DiskDaemon> okay, opening notepad
#279 [01:18] <teetor314> wait
#280 [01:18] <teetor314> you need to open it with administrative privilages
#281 [01:18] * Elystus gets back to learning how to use powershell
#281 [01:18] <DiskDaemon> okay, how?
#282 [01:18] <teetor314> search notepad.exe alright
#283 [01:19] <DiskDaemon> okay,s earched
#284 [01:19] <teetor314> and when it is found right click notepad.exe and click run as administrator
#285 [01:19] <teetor314> *rightclick
#286 [01:19] <teetor314> and click run as administrator
#287 [01:19] <DiskDaemon> okay, opened as administrator
#288 [01:20] <teetor314> ok goto open
#289 [01:20] <DiskDaemon> File > Open, right
#290 [01:20] <teetor314> yes
#291 [01:20] <teetor314> File -> Open: %windir%\system32\drivers\etc\hosts
#292 [01:20] <zkxs> Real men use Ctrl + O
#293 [01:21] <DiskDaemon> okay, opened. Wow, it looks a mess
#294 [01:21] <DiskDaemon> Ahh, but at the bottom I find "192.168.1.1 localhost"
#295 [01:21] <teetor314> hmmm
#296 [01:22] <teetor314> is that your local address?
#297 [01:22] <DiskDaemon> No, that's my router's address
#298 [01:22] <teetor314> ok
#299 [01:22] * teetor314 is thinking
#299 [01:23] <DiskDaemon> When I remove it and try to save, I get told that the hosts file is readonly, but when going to its properties it's not readonly
#300 [01:23] <teetor314> hmmm
#301 [01:23] <DiskDaemon> Ahh, it's saved now
#302 [01:24] <teetor314> ok
#303 [01:24] <teetor314> try connecting again
#304 [01:24] <teetor314> to localhost
#305 [01:24] <DiskDaemon> yes, localhost works, and before that trouble 127.0.0.1 works too, which is the preferred one to use instead of localhost
#306 [01:25] <teetor314> yes, because your localhost adress was set as your router adress instead of the 127.0.0.1 address
#307 [01:25] <DiskDaemon> Can we get it working from outside?
#308 [01:25] <zkxs> What other mess is in hosts?
#309 [01:25] <zkxs> Is it legit, or more humorous junk?
#310 [01:26] * teetor314 is thinking again
#310 [01:26] <DiskDaemon> It was just stuff from antispyware programs, which used linux newlines instead of windows ones, so it all wraps around
#311 [01:26] <teetor314> ah
#312 [01:26] <DiskDaemon> !check 202.0.57.62
#313 [01:26] <zkxs> I feel like putting stuff in hosts is poor programming...
#314 [01:27] <teetor314> that is your internal address disk?
#315 [01:27] <DiskDaemon> That's my external ip address
#316 [01:27] <teetor314> or your external
#317 [01:27] <DiskDaemon> Ans yes it's typed right, and the port fowarding is correct too
#318 [01:27] <teetor314> ok
#319 [01:27] <teetor314> and server log says no errors?
#320 [01:28] <DiskDaemon> When trying to connect using the external one?
#321 [01:28] <teetor314> correct
#322 [01:29] <DiskDaemon> teetor314: The minecraft multiplayer screen says that it can't reach the server via the external address, but the local address one is fine
#323 [01:29] <zkxs> teetor314: if it isn't 10.*, 172.16.*, or 192.168.* it isn't an internal IP
#324 [01:30] <DiskDaemon> So the server is working fine, and the port fowarding is known to be properly set up. What else can interfere with communications to the server?
#325 [01:31] <teetor314> a dynamic ip for one
#326 [01:31] <DiskDaemon> It's all static ip's here
#327 [01:31] <teetor314> alright
#328 [01:32] <DiskDaemon> zkxs's pm'd me the right answer...
#329 [01:32] <teetor314> well i am not perfect disk
#330 [01:32] <skyboy> dynamic IPs wouldn't affect it
#331 [01:32] <zkxs> It wasn't a PM
#332 [01:32] <teetor314> i am sorry to dissapoint
#333 [01:33] <zkxs> I bet you can get it. If you got the server.properties line, you can get this
#334 [01:33] <DiskDaemon> Okay, dropping the firewall seems to allow the connection to occur
#335 [01:33] <teetor314> hmm
#336 [01:33] <teetor314> and you did add a exception to your firewall for the server?
#337 [01:33] <DiskDaemon> teetor314: With the firewall down it works, and with the firewall up it doesn't work
#338 [01:34] <DiskDaemon> No, normally we don't need to edit the firewall to add an exception. What's the easiest way to achieve that though?
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#340 [01:35] <DiskDaemon> Here's the third solution to this issue. Remove the java entries from the incoming section of the firewall, and then restart the server
#341 [01:35] <teetor314> well that is a solution
#342 [01:35] <teetor314> like i said disk, i am not perfect
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#344 [01:35] <teetor314> i can usually solve problems fairly easily, but I do not know everything
#345 [01:35] <zkxs> DiskDaemon: Wait, so you told it to specifically block java?
#346 [01:36] <DiskDaemon> Because, some people when the server starts for the very first time, hit the wrong button and just want to get dialog boxes out of the way so that they can get through to their serve
#347 [01:36] <zkxs> Ah, I see
#348 [01:36] <DiskDaemon> I didn't tell it to block java - I just cancelled the request from the firewall to add an exception, when it came up the first time
#349 [01:36] <teetor314> true, a misset option can affect outside connections
#350 [01:36] <teetor314> yea
#351 [01:36] <slowfi> s.nerd.nu doesn't work any more for me
#352 [01:36] <teetor314> i knew it had to do with firewall exceptions
#353 [01:36] <teetor314> just wasnt totally sure if it was the first time startup issue
#354 [01:37] <zkxs> The hosts file thing was a bit odd, but the firewall and server.properties line are pretty common issues
#355 [01:37] <teetor314> yea, the firewall issue occured to me
#356 [01:38] <DiskDaemon> I like the throw a ringer in there for variety :)
#357 [01:38] <teetor314> overall though. did you think i did alright all thing considered?
#358 [01:38] <DiskDaemon> Yes, you were nicely patient through much of it too
#359 [01:38] <zkxs> I found it amusing. It ranks up there with the guy who set his domain to redirect to 127.0.0.1 for the lulz
#360 [01:38] <teetor314> lol
#361 [01:39] <BPK> Well, I'm completely stuck on my server.
#362 [01:39] <skyboy> BPK's issue is still unresolved. port forwarding/virtual server options fail in the router, it's not a firewall or a virus scanner. external connections fail, internal succeeds
#363 [01:39] <teetor314> thank you disk
#364 [01:39] <teetor314> hmmm
#365 [01:39] * teetor314 switches to BPK's issue and consideres all given information
#365 [01:39] <DiskDaemon> you're welcome
#366 [01:40] <DiskDaemon> !check 202.0.57.62
#367 [01:40] <teetor314> nice
#368 [01:40] <skyboy> i'm considering that the motorola modem may actually be a router as well, and through some miracle, double-NAT is not causing things to go pear shaped until minecraft
#369 [01:40] <teetor314> well its certianly possible sky
#370 [01:41] <teetor314> ive had issues wiht motorola before
#371 [01:41] <teetor314> *with
#372 [01:41] * DiskDaemon heads down for dinner
#372 [01:41] <zkxs> A few ISP's even have an additional router on their side preventing port forwarding.
#373 [01:41] <teetor314> most arent such control-freaks though
#374 [01:41] <skyboy> he's switched ISPs while the issue was ongoing twice, and still fails
#375 [01:42] <BPK> @zkxs Wow...
#376 [01:42] <skyboy> so the chances are that are highly improbable
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#378 [01:42] <teetor314> @skyboy is that so?
#379 [01:42] <skyboy> not that the improbable doesn't happen
#380 [01:42] <teetor314> true
#381 [01:42] * teetor314 chuckles
#381 [01:42] <BPK> I'm on Shaw right now actually, my mistake Skyboy
#382 [01:42] <BPK> I still switched multiple times
#383 [01:43] <zkxs> BPK: and your port forwarding is correct?
#384 [01:43] <skyboy> do you have any other server programs that act as servers, BPK? do they function?
#385 [01:44] <BPK> no, only minecraft
#386 [01:44] <skyboy> that redundancy was a little redundant
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#388 [01:44] <BPK> Hamachi, but I completely disable that
#389 [01:44] <skyboy> does hamachi function normally?
#390 [01:44] <teetor314> ok well hamachi may have claimed the port minecraft uses
#391 [01:44] <skyboy> if so, then it's not an ISP-based router
#392 [01:44] <skyboy> teetor: he jsut said he disables it
#393 [01:45] <teetor314> most arent
#394 [01:45] <zkxs> Does hamachi listen for connections? Or does the hamachi network handle that?
#395 [01:45] <teetor314> the network usuaally
#396 [01:45] <skyboy> it's some sort of mash-up
#397 [01:45] <teetor314> *usually
#398 [01:45] <teetor314> yea
#399 [01:45] <zkxs> If hamachi doesn't listen, it isn't a real server and the PF doesn't matter
#400 [01:45] <teetor314> but majority is network site
#401 [01:45] <teetor314> *side
#402 [01:45] <skyboy> the hamachi client acts as a server
#403 [01:46] <teetor314> but only when active
#404 [01:46] <zkxs> Hamachi doesn't need port forwarding, therefore it working doesn't prove or disprove the existence of double nat
#405 [01:47] <skyboy> does teamviewer act as a server?
#406 [01:47] <skyboy> he does have that, and i assume it functions
#407 [01:47] <zkxs> no
#408 [01:47] <Chirstain> I keep getting an error when I try to run my Bukkit server... I read through the console and what I gather is that TNT somewhere is trying to eplode, and it's crashing the server. Copy & paste of my console error can be found here: http://pastebin.com/5bGq9Ah1 Does anyone have any ideas as to what i should do about this? Do i have to get rid of a map maybe?
#409 [01:47] <skyboy> okay, does anyone know of a light server program short of apache?
#410 [01:47] <teetor314> teamviewer does act as a server if it uses VPN
#411 [01:47] <zkxs> Teamviewer gets around firewalls and PF by connecting to the teamviewer servers and letting them negotiate connections
#412 [01:48] <zkxs> skyboy: lighthttpd
#413 [01:49] * teetor314 checks chirstain's log
#413 [01:49] <BPK> *sigh*
#414 [01:49] <zkxs> BPK: Can you connect to your server via loopback and LAN?
#415 [01:49] <BPK> LAN yes
#416 [01:49] <BPK> I don't know what loopback is
#417 [01:49] <zkxs> localhost
#418 [01:49] <skyboy> Chirstain: it's not TNT, one of your mods isn't installed ocrrectly
#419 [01:49] <BPK> yes
#420 [01:49] <BPK> 127.0.0.1
#421 [01:49] <teetor314> correct, i just checked the log
#422 [01:49] <BPK> localhost
#423 [01:50] <BPK> and my ipv4 internal
#424 [01:50] <BPK> external doesn't work
#425 [01:50] <BPK> my friends evidently can not connect
#426 [01:50] <zkxs> Therefore the issue is with the networking, and lies either in the firewall, port forwarding, or ISP
#427 [01:50] <zkxs> double nat would fall into the port forwarding category
#428 [01:51] <BPK> for portforwarding, I refer to skyboy who's seen all my configurations
#429 [01:51] <BPK> no problems there.
#430 [01:51] <teetor314> and if the portforwarding is confirmed as correct, its likely ISP
#431 [01:51] * zkxs wonders if double nat shows up on a traceroute
#431 [01:51] <skyboy> it... should
#432 [01:51] <BPK> are ISP problems region based?
#433 [01:51] <BPK> or global
#434 [01:51] <skyboy> region
#435 [01:51] <teetor314> region
#436 [01:51] <zkxs> A bit of both, probably
#437 [01:51] <Chirstain> Wait, I dont have mods on my server.
#438 [01:52] <teetor314> depends on your isp's point of origin
#439 [01:52] <zkxs> ISPs have policies, but they
#440 [01:52] <Chirstain> Just Bukkit plugins...
#441 [01:52] <skyboy> you do still bounce from router to other router, so a trace route should show it
#442 [01:52] <teetor314> chirstain plugins can be mods
#443 [01:52] <BPK> I have no idea how/where Shaw operates
#444 [01:52] <zkxs> ... very slightly from region to region, I assume
#445 [01:52] <skyboy> those are mods
#446 [01:52] <teetor314> correct
#447 [01:53] <skyboy> however, looking further down, it is indeed TNT
#448 [01:53] <Chirstain> Huh... Now reading over again, it's also that i forgot to remove GroupBridge when removing GroupManager
#449 [01:53] <skyboy> and it's those damned unnecessary ArrayLists notch creates
#450 [01:53] <BPK> Is there anything i can do...
#451 [01:53] * Chirstain facepalms at himself
#451 [01:54] <zkxs> BPK: You could traceroute google.com
#452 [01:54] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: I should be able to have a working script by tomorrow
#453 [01:54] <Elystus> Oh right, he left >_>
#454 [01:54] <skyboy> he'll still see the message
#455 [01:54] <skyboy> fun features of IRC clients
#456 [01:55] <Elystus> I know, but still
#457 [01:55] <teetor314> lol
#458 [01:55] <zkxs> BPK: I presume your firewall has been configured correctly as well?
#459 [01:55] <Elystus> Powershell is so much more fun!
#460 [01:55] <teetor314> elystus it was a trial for me
#461 [01:55] <skyboy> indeed, zkcs
#462 [01:55] <skyboy> s/c/x/
#463 [01:55] <Chirstain> skyboy: How would I fix an error caused by one of these ArrayLists? Sorry, I have no idea about working with Java...
#464 [01:55] <Elystus> teetor314: It is for a diffrent thing
#465 [01:55] <BPK> @zkxs both things I'm not sure about
#466 [01:56] <skyboy> Chirstain: you need a program to edit your world file, and you must remove the TNT entities
#467 [01:56] * zkxs adds zkcs to notify list
#467 [01:56] <teetor314> mcedit may work
#468 [01:56] <Chirstain> Like MCEdit?
#469 [01:56] <skyboy> yes
#470 [01:56] <teetor314> yes
#471 [01:56] <skyboy> i was jsut about to link to that
#472 [01:57] <teetor314> ;p
#473 [01:57] <teetor314> you know how to download your world file from the server?
#474 [01:57] <Chirstain> Yeah
#475 [01:57] <skyboy> his server is local, so he shouldn't need to do that
#476 [01:57] <teetor314> oh right
#477 [01:57] <teetor314> lol
#478 [01:58] <zkxs> BPK: If you aren't sure about your PF or firewall, I'd get someone to teamviewer in and check them. If that doesn't help, I'd look into your modem to see if it is also a router. If you still have no luck, I'd contact your ISP and see if they can help you. You'd just need to tell them you're having trouble port forwarding. They shouldn't need to know the specific application.
#479 [01:58] <teetor314> i have a teamviewer system link
#480 [01:58] <teetor314> if you want
#481 [01:59] <zkxs> I would stick around and help, but I'm afraid I must go to bed now.
#482 [02:00] <teetor314> night
#483 [02:00] <BPK> I'm very open to anyone teamviewing
#484 [02:00] <BPK> teetor?
#485 [02:00] <teetor314> yea
#486 [02:00] <teetor314> i have teamviewer
#487 [02:00] <BPK> ok
#488 [02:01] <teetor314> go to pm
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#491 [02:15] <Chirstain> It seems you can't edit entities with MCEdit... :/
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#493 [02:18] <teetor314> it is possible chirstain
#494 [02:19] <Chirstain> But how?
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#498 [02:27] <Chirstain> I ended up backing up the map that was crashing my server and generating a new one... Thanks anyways for your help guys
#499 [02:29] <BPK> Thanks for trying teetor
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#501 [02:31] <AlphaBlend> So I wrote an e-mail to support@mojang.com, and get a message back saying something like I'm not in the right group to post messages?
#502 [02:33] <Chirstain> Is there a way to find the seed of a map?
#503 [02:33] <Andrio> 1.3 will add a server command, I believe; until then you can use MCedit.
#504 [02:34] <Andrio> It's still in the F3 screen in single player though.
#505 [02:43] <Thrae> AlphaBlend: What did you write *about*? Maybe we can help you. Usually we can, though we're not official support.
#506 [02:44] <Thrae> This is the official unofficial support channel full of official volunteers that give unofficial support.
#507 [02:44] <Chirstain> "official volunteers" xD
#508 [02:45] <Chirstain> Btw, I just may have found where my TNT problem is coming from: http://s1067.photobucket.com/albums/u422/christian-was-here/?albumview=slideshow
#509 [02:46] <Thrae> Official volunteers, unofficially selected.
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#511 [02:46] <Chirstain> How do you become an official volunteer exactly?
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#513 [02:47] <Thrae> They are unofficially selected by other official volunteers. They have + (voice) next to their names, or are ops.
#514 [02:48] <chaucolai> Bad video card drivers, just updated (integrated) video card to most recent driver. Minecraft 1.2.5 on XP Prof, ran fine previously. Is there any way I can fix it?
#515 [02:48] <Thrae> chaucolai: Roll back the video card driver.
#516 [02:48] <Thrae> Chirstain: Are you doing this TNT experiment on SMP?
#517 [02:50] <Chirstain> It wasn't me, but my friends on my server... It ended up crashing it, and that's why i came here
#518 [02:52] <skyboy> it's funny, because i'm currently working on minecraft's TNT code. it no longer crashes due to that much TNT, though it does lag very, very, very badly
#519 [02:52] <Thrae> Chirstain: Running vanilla server?
#520 [02:52] <skyboy> bukkit
#521 [02:52] <Necrodoom> Chirstain: so when you go near TNT, you crash?
#522 [02:52] <Thrae> Yeah, NoLagg is awesome for dealing with TNT
#523 [02:52] <Thrae> There's a few Bukkit plugins which really help with TNT lag/crash exploits/problems
#524 [02:52] <skyboy> thrae: my mod removes _all_ of the memory allocations related to TNT
#525 [02:52] <Necrodoom> nolagg is only if the TNT isnt primed, i think
#526 [02:53] <Thrae> skyboy: Ah, neato
#527 [02:53] <Chirstain> Well, the THT is definitely primed xD
#528 [02:53] <skyboy> it is impossible to crash a server from TNT with it
#529 [02:53] <Chirstain> TNT*
#530 [02:53] <Necrodoom> i know a plugin that can delete TNT ingame, though
#531 [02:53] <Chirstain> skyboy: What's your mod?
#532 [02:53] <skyboy> it's just working code right now
#533 [02:53] <skyboy> it's still very slow
#534 [02:54] <Chirstain> Oh. :/
#535 [02:54] <Thrae> Throw it up on Jenkins
#536 [02:54] <Thrae> And/or BukkitDev
#537 [02:54] <skyboy> http://titanpad.com/x6UkNwurJa
#538 [02:54] <Chirstain> Oh well, Im generating a new world anyways
#539 [02:54] <Necrodoom> Chirstain: that bukkit server, does it has the essentials plugin?
#540 [02:55] <Chirstain> Of course
#541 [02:55] <Thrae> Ugh, Essentials
#542 [02:55] <Thrae> Outdated POS
#543 [02:55] <Necrodoom> lol?
#544 [02:55] <Chirstain> Works fine for me, so...
#545 [02:55] <Thrae> Use "CommandBook" if you want the admin commands
#546 [02:55] <Chirstain> Admin commands such as...?
#547 [02:55] <Necrodoom> commandbook? its wayy smaller than essentals
#548 [02:56] <Necrodoom> anyway, was trying to talk about the /remove command
#549 [02:56] <Thrae> Covers most everything I need -- http://wiki.sk89q.com/wiki/CommandBook/Commands
#550 [02:56] <Necrodoom> which allows you to remove entitys ingame
#551 [02:56] <Thrae> Problem with Essentials is that there's a huge bunch of bugs associated with it due to its age and how it was coded.
#552 [02:57] <Necrodoom> name one bug.
#553 [02:57] <Chirstain> Meh, I've been using it for quite a while and it works fine for me.
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#555 [02:57] <Chirstain> Never meant to start some sort of huge argument....
#556 [02:57] <Chirstain> some sort of argument*
#557 [02:57] <Necrodoom> Chirstain: its not you, its fanboyism
#558 [02:58] <Chirstain> Ugh, fanboyism
#559 [02:58] <Thrae> Necrodoom: I couldn't get older versions of it to work well with my server, but I see since they split it up into modular pieces, so maybe I'll check it out again.
#560 [02:59] <Chirstain> I remember getting into a heated iPhone vs. Android battle on some forum... Fanboyism's the f**king worst >.<
#561 [03:00] <Chirstain> But how is Essentials buggy?
#562 [03:00] <Necrodoom> Thrae: there were certain bugs which were a side effect of bukkit changing command handling, but all of it is gone now
#563 [03:00] <chaucolai> Trying to roll back but it can't find file igfxexps.dll. Linking it to the one in the Driver Store fails. there's two "Intel Chipset" ones in the device manager - one's missing a cpl file and one a dll file, neither of which will work if you manually link it?
#564 [03:01] <Necrodoom> Thrae: during mid beta
#565 [03:04] <chaucolai> Thanks for all you guys help, but as it didn't work with the drivers the laptop shipped with four years ago starting about a month back nor the most recent updates, I think I'll give up. Thank you anyway!
#566 [03:05] <Necrodoom> Chirstain: anyway, back to original topic
#567 [03:05] <Necrodoom> Chirstain: you can delete primed TNT with the /remove command
#568 [03:05] <Chirstain> "Thank you for all you guys help" ...did we even do anything?
#569 [03:06] <Chirstain> Necrodoom: No need, I've just discovered the "Remove Entities" button in MCEdit
#570 [03:06] * Chirstain is a noob
#570 [03:06] <Necrodoom> oh, i see
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#573 [03:09] <Chirstain> You know, i should take this as an opportunity to start with a new map
#574 [03:09] <Chirstain> Screw it, I'm doing just that
#575 [03:15] <Chirstain> Anyone know of a seed with a perticularly large plains biome?
#576 [03:16] <Chirstain> particularly*
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#578 [03:17] <TheBadShepperd> * [TheBadShepperd] (xelda@108.70.227.82): Tucker
#579 [03:17] * TheBadShepperd growls at AT&T. :|
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#580 [03:19] * Chirstain wonders what the hell just happened as he scratches his meatloaf
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#582 [03:34] <juless> hello
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#584 [03:34] <Andrio> Hi
#585 [03:35] <juless> Hi i need help setting up my game with a launcher
#586 [03:36] <juless> at the moment I alway play in the browser
#587 [03:36] <juless> and I want to do the other not in browser
#588 [03:37] <juless> but i use a linux so its not self installing
#589 [03:42] <juless> hello is there someone ther
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#591 [03:42] <Andrio> I'm here, but I don't use Linux, so I can't help you.
#592 [03:48] <juless> tyou know what this is probly the tenth time ive attempted to find out the answerw and I just did it
#593 [03:49] <juless> i cant belive I just worked it out myself
#594 [03:49] <juless> thanks anyway
#595 [03:49] <juless> i now have a lauuncher on my desktop outside the browser
#596 [03:49] <Andrio> :)
#597 [03:50] <juless> whhoooow
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#601 [04:15] <GregDearman> when i open minecraft i get this message : <html><body><font color="#808080"><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><center>Failed to update news<br>java.net.ConnectException: Connection timed out: connect</center></font></body></html>
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#603 [04:17] <Deathfiyr> how do u make buckets in mc pocket edition?
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#605 [04:22] <GregDearman> can anyone help me? plus i cant connect online?
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#607 [04:23] <thebiglegoblock> Hello
#608 [04:24] <thebiglegoblock> Hello?
#609 [04:24] <Deathfiyr> hi
#610 [04:24] <thebiglegoblock> hi could you recomend a server package to me
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#612 [04:25] <thebiglegoblock> Hi cal
#613 [04:25] <thebiglegoblock> DeathFiyr
#614 [04:25] <Calinou> hi? :p
#615 [04:25] <Necrodoom> thebiglegoblock: minecraft.net
#616 [04:25] <thebiglegoblock> C?
#617 [04:25] <thebiglegoblock> ?
#618 [04:26] <Necrodoom> if you want to get the server jar
#619 [04:26] <Necrodoom> go to minecraft.net, downloads
#620 [04:26] <Deathfiyr> i not a operator
#621 [04:26] <thebiglegoblock> No I mean
#622 [04:27] <Deathfiyr> if u want a server with plugin support go bukkit with permissions plugin and essentials plugin
#623 [04:28] <Deathfiyr> anyone need help?
#624 [04:28] <Calinou> not right now; if you want to help people, _stay around_ and wait
#625 [04:28] <Calinou> patience is a virtue
#626 [04:29] <Deathfiyr> k
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#628 [04:29] <Deathfiyr> Hi Valerie
#629 [04:32] <Calinou> don't say "hi" to everyone like this, too, this is considered as rude
#630 [04:33] <Deathfiyr> sorry
#631 [04:34] <Necrodoom> a support guy in training?
#632 [04:34] <Deathfiyr> no
#633 [04:38] <GregDearman> <html><body><font color="#808080"><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><center>Failed to update news<br>java.net.ConnectException: Connection timed out: connect</center></font></body></html> what does this mean?
#634 [04:39] <Necrodoom> you failed to connect to news page
#635 [04:40] <GregDearman> but why doesnt it work?
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#637 [04:43] <Calinou> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/User:Pmw57/Minecrafthelp/Troubleshooting#Connection_to_minecraft.net_fails.2C_with_HTML_text_up_in_the_news_panel
#638 [04:43] <Calinou> GregDearman, read CAREFULLY
#639 [04:52] <Calinou> *_*
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#645 [05:38] <XxDVioUSxX> im from Australia and when I go to buy minecraft it doesnt let me!!
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#647 [05:39] <XxDVioUSxX> im from Australia and when I go to buy minecraft it doesnt let me!!
#648 [05:40] <Deathfiyr_> did u use paypal?
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#651 [05:42] <XxDVioUSxX> yeah i use paypal
#652 [05:42] <Deathfiyr_> weird cause i bought it the other day with paypal
#653 [05:43] <Deathfiyr_> what day did you try to buy it?
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#655 [05:44] <XxDVioUSxX> this is what it says: "Unfortunately, we're unable to process your payment using your PayPal account at this time. Please return to the merchant's website and try using a different payment method (if available)."
#656 [05:45] <Deathfiyr> k
#657 [05:46] <Deathfiyr> what browser did u use and what os?
#658 [05:47] <XxDVioUSxX> chrome, 32
#659 [05:47] <jamietech> sounds like an interesting os
#660 [05:48] <Deathfiyr> this may help:https://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/1288642
#661 [05:49] <Deathfiyr> try it again and it should work cause it ment to be fixed
#662 [05:51] <XxDVioUSxX> nah it still didnt work
#663 [05:51] <Deathfiyr> brb
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#667 [05:58] <Deathfiyr> back
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#669 [05:59] <XxDVioUSxX> have you found anything?
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#671 [06:03] <XxDVioUSxX> well?
#672 [06:14] <Calinou> XxDVioUSxX, you cannot use paypal to buy gift codes
#673 [06:14] <Calinou> (if you tried to buy a gift code)
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#675 [06:20] <Coll> Anyone have a 4shared account?
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#678 [06:33] <SinZ> !login
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#681 [06:56] <TuxOtaku> hey guys....I run my own minecraft server and I'd like to embed the minecraft launcher on my site. Is this possible? and if so, could someone help me with an embed code of some kind?
#682 [06:57] <DiskDaemon> TuxOtaku: No, that's not possible.
#683 [06:57] <Coll> Why not?
#684 [06:58] <DiskDaemon> Primarily because you would require permission from Mojang to do that, who won't give permission.
#685 [06:58] <Coll> odd
#686 [06:58] <Coll> cause if I recall
#687 [06:58] <Coll> Many people make launchers
#688 [06:58] <DiskDaemon> Those are other launchers. Not Mojangs.
#689 [06:59] <Coll> hmm
#690 [06:59] <Coll> He could always get a custom launcher
#691 [06:59] <Coll> embeded
#692 [06:59] <DiskDaemon> We don't help with custom work here, sorry
#693 [07:01] <TuxOtaku> that's okay. I had no idea about the custom launchers, so that's already a big help.
#694 [07:02] <TuxOtaku> one last thing though...what's all this I read about some kind of 0day that's allowing people to log into minecraft as whatever player they want?
#695 [07:02] <DiskDaemon> That's been fixed now.
#696 [07:02] <TuxOtaku> ah okay good
#697 [07:02] <TuxOtaku> I figured something that bloody big would get fixed pretty fast
#698 [07:02] <DiskDaemon> The login servers were taken down as soon as that was found out, and then fixed.
#699 [07:02] <Coll> Anyone here have a 4shared account?
#700 [07:02] <DiskDaemon> What for?
#701 [07:03] <Coll> need a file
#702 [07:03] <TuxOtaku> 4shared is cheesetastic.
#703 [07:03] <Coll> not going to register for one file
#704 [07:03] <Coll> hopefully someone would have one download it and send it to me somehow
#705 [07:03] <DiskDaemon> Coll: So you want one of us to download the file that you want, and transfer it to you in some other way?
#706 [07:04] <Coll> mhm
#707 [07:04] <Coll> annoying yes
#708 [07:04] <DiskDaemon> yes, very
#709 [07:05] <Coll> I really dont want to register for a site for something so small. Sorta why I am looking for someone who has a acount already
#710 [07:05] <DiskDaemon> stop being so lazy :)
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#712 [07:06] <Necrodoom> ^
#713 [07:08] <Coll> it isnt about that
#714 [07:08] <DiskDaemon> Please explain
#715 [07:08] <Coll> registering for shit like that ends you up on spam lists and another way to "possibly" get passwords leaked and shit
#716 [07:08] <Coll> I am just being paranoid yes
#717 [07:09] <Coll> but w/e
#718 [07:09] <Necrodoom> get a spam email
#719 [07:09] <Necrodoom> thats what i do
#720 [07:09] <DiskDaemon> Coll: You're welcome to carry on being paranoid. When you ask other people to get in to that situation you are scared of, that's not a good thing to do
#721 [07:09] <Coll> I am not asking people to go into those situations
#722 [07:10] <Coll> I never asked for anyone to register
#723 [07:10] <Coll> I am asking for people who already are
#724 [07:10] <DiskDaemon> Coll: The answer is no.
#725 [07:10] <Coll> Okay then
#726 [07:10] <Coll> that was all that was needed
#727 [07:13] <DiskDaemon> I don't have a 4shared account either ;)
#728 [07:14] <Coll> _-_
#729 [07:14] <Coll> no need to be a jerk man
#730 [07:14] <TheNoodle> waitwaitwait
#731 [07:14] <DiskDaemon> It wasn't just for me that I was saying those earlier things
#732 [07:14] <TheNoodle> You're paranoid, and yet you're willing to download a file from a random person on the internet.
#733 [07:15] <Necrodoom> ^
#734 [07:15] <DiskDaemon> Who's to say that a keylogger won't be injected in to the file you're being given?
#735 [07:15] <Necrodoom> what if i give you a disguised file, instead of downloadmoreram.exe
#736 [07:15] <Rikairchy> why take candy from a complete stranger instead of getting it from a store that requires you to show ID ?
#737 [07:15] <TheNoodle> What if I just zipped up a bunch of pictures of my penis.
#738 [07:15] <Rikairchy> oh god
#739 [07:16] <Rikairchy> TheNoodle that would by funny as hell
#740 [07:16] * GreyVulpine coughs lightly
#740 [07:16] <DiskDaemon> too far off-topic?
#741 [07:16] * Rikairchy gives GreyVulpine a cough drop
#741 [07:16] <GreyVulpine> Wee bit
#742 [07:16] <TheNoodle> :3
#743 [07:17] <GreyVulpine> Play nice now.
#744 [07:18] <Rikairchy> anyone wanna see the funniest fail ever?
#745 [07:18] <DiskDaemon> I'd like to try and learn something. When that error occurs about not being able to find the launcherFrame, what are the common causes of that particular situation?
#746 [07:18] <GreyVulpine> DiskDaemon - Usually because the person executed that command where the minecraft.jar launcher doesn't exist
#747 [07:19] <GreyVulpine> Typically, they do it in .minecraft/bin/, which contains a minecraft.jar, but not the right now
#748 [07:19] <GreyVulpine> one*
#749 [07:19] <Rikairchy> the one thats the actual binary, not the launcher
#750 [07:19] <Rikairchy> right?
#751 [07:20] <DiskDaemon> That gives an "invalid or corrupt jarfile" when the binary one attempts to be run
#752 [07:21] <Rikairchy> http://stormb.it/fail
#753 [07:21] <GreyVulpine> Erm, you sure?
#754 [07:21] <DiskDaemon> I just tried it now
#755 [07:22] <DiskDaemon> Something odd happens too if you put the minecraft.jar launcher in the .minecraft/bin/ folder, and try to login using that :)
#756 [07:22] <DiskDaemon> It stays stuck on the Updating screen, with the progress bar being nearly complete
#757 [07:23] * DiskDaemon stops trying to break Minecraft
#757 [07:23] <GreyVulpine> http://pastebin.com/N7CuG2Dp
#758 [07:23] <GreyVulpine> I cut off the first column, but you get the idea
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#760 [07:23] <Necrodoom> hm, if bin minecraft,jar is missing for me, launcher gets stuck on "done loading"
#761 [07:23] * GreyVulpine nods
#761 [07:24] <DiskDaemon> Ahh, I was just double-clicking on the minecraft.jar file, which is equivalent to just java -jar minecraft.jar
#762 [07:24] <GreyVulpine> No, you want to run the command line which has the last argument in it
#763 [07:25] <GreyVulpine> Anyhoo, I'm beat. \o
#764 [07:25] <DiskDaemon> 'til next time
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#770 [08:03] <OverLoad998> I have just recently purchased the game and its been and hour and I am still not premuim i have the order number and everything
#771 [08:06] <DiskDaemon> OverLoad998: Please read http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/329519-when-will-i-receive-my-premium-status-
#772 [08:06] <OverLoad998> thanks will do
#773 [08:07] <Necrodoom> OverLoad998: this channel isnt offical
#774 [08:08] <Necrodoom> OverLoad998: disk aint getting a penny out of your purchase
#775 [08:08] <DiskDaemon> What brings on that kind of talk?
#776 [08:10] <Lord_of_Life> Does anyone know how can I enable cheats on map created under 1.2.5 now played on snap 12w27a ?
#777 [08:10] <DiskDaemon> nope
#778 [08:11] <OverLoad998> Okay so it was the bug i didnt get charged or nothing but when i try and purchase the website asks me for my moneybookers account but i dont have one.
#779 [08:11] <DiskDaemon> It might be possible by using a program such as MCEdit - but I'd think that it would only be practical after that program has been updated to work with 1.3 after it comes out
#780 [08:11] <Lord_of_Life> One down 144 to go :D
#781 [08:11] <Lord_of_Life> MCEdit?
#782 [08:11] <DiskDaemon> It's a program for editing maps, and customising settings
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#784 [08:12] <DiskDaemon> Lord_of_Life: You should also be able to turn cheats on and off when you're opening the world to other players through your LAN
#785 [08:13] <Lord_of_Life> single player
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#787 [08:14] <DiskDaemon> Yes. Single player. 12w27a lets you play your single player map as if it were a multiplayer one with anybody on your LAN
#788 [08:15] <Calinou> contrary to common belief LAN is supported in ANY version of minecraft
#789 [08:15] <Calinou> it is just harder to use
#790 [08:16] <Calinou> start a server then use the internal IP to connect
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#792 [08:18] <Lord_of_Life> Huh never bothere/noticed. Tnx DiskDaemon:
#793 [08:21] <OverLoad998> Okay now im having problems trying to buy it in general
#794 [08:22] <OverLoad998> It wants a moneybookers account and i made one for this and then when i put the number in there of my card it say you card has already been used
#795 [08:23] <DiskDaemon> OverLoad998: You would need to contact moneybookers about that
#796 [08:23] <OverLoad998> what for
#797 [08:24] <DiskDaemon> Wasn't it them saying that your card has already been used?
#798 [08:24] <OverLoad998> I dont see the need for a moneybookers account in the first place my card isnt registerd with them minecraft saif that
#799 [08:26] <DiskDaemon> There's a way to edit the level.dat file so that you can turn on and off the cheats side of things
#800 [08:28] <DiskDaemon> Using the following reference - http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Level_Format#level.dat_Format The level.dat file is just a compressed file. Uncompress it, and edit the level file with a hex editor. The text "allow|commands" is followed by a byte value of 1 if cheats are allowed, and a value of 0 if they're not.
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#802 [08:28] <DiskDaemon> Edit that, save it, pack it back up again, and you're good to go :)
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#805 [09:10] <DiskDaemon> This recent bout of silence from VoxelHead's previous wittering is extremely pleasant.
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#807 [09:12] <ThaMrX> hey
#808 [09:12] <ThaMrX> i want to make a piston go out and go back in immidiately how do i make this?
#809 [09:13] <Necrodoom> as in, extend and then retract right away?
#810 [09:14] <DiskDaemon> You can use a sticky piston, so that it pushes a block out over a redstone torch, and power can flow from the block back to the piston to retreact it again
#811 [09:14] <Necrodoom> or, use a rising edge circuit
#812 [09:15] <DiskDaemon> Like this? http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Redstone_Circuits#Edge_detectors
#813 [09:16] <Necrodoom> yep, sends a single short pulse which causes piston to extend and retract right away
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#825 [09:54] <slowfi> I can't find a single multiplayer where I can reliably login. do others have this problem?
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#827 [09:55] <DiskDaemon> ??> slowfi smp/servers
#828 [09:55] <VoxelHead> slowfi: (smp/servers) There currently is no master list of all SMP servers. Fan-made indexes include http://minestatus.net/ - http://www.mcserverlist.net/ - http://www.reddit.com/r/mcservers - http://minecraftservers.net/ - http://minecraft.dk/mcserverlist/
#829 [09:55] <VoxelHead> slowfi: (smp/servers) You can also find a list at the MC forums at http://www.minecraftforum.net/forum/31-servers/ . Also, try the #smp channel.
#830 [09:58] <slowfi> I've tried a lot of the servers on those web pages. they all fail to login-- every one I try
#831 [10:00] <slowfi> earlier someone suggested s.nerd.nu and it worked for a while. it's the only multiplayer server I ever connected to
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#841 [10:48] <Lord_Hoover> I bougt the game at Saturday but we didn`t got a gamekey
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#843 [10:49] <Lord_Hoover> Where can i get there?
#844 [10:49] <Lord_Hoover> Where can i get there?
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#848 [11:06] <pigsicles> I just downloaded minecraft and I keep trying to install it and it loads about half of the update and then just sits there.
#849 [11:06] <pigsicles> What can I do?
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#851 [11:06] <pigsicles> I went under options and chose "force update" and also ran the .exe as an admin.
#852 [11:07] <jewstin> can anyone tell me how to update a texture pack from a previous version
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#854 [11:10] <jewstin> i love how nobody is answeing
#855 [11:11] <TheNoodle> ikr
#856 [11:11] <pigsicles> probably no one is active.
#857 [11:11] <Necrodoom> ask the texture pack creator
#858 [11:11] <Necrodoom> to update it?
#859 [11:11] <TheNoodle> it's almost like people volunteer their time here
#860 [11:11] <pigsicles> they do.
#861 [11:12] <pigsicles> wait sarcasm?
#862 [11:12] <pigsicles> idk i just wish minecraft had better customer service. i mean if i'm playing for something, i want it to work. nothing against anyone here.
#863 [11:12] <pigsicles> i just downloaded it, and i can't even play
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#865 [11:13] <TheNoodle> the point being, no one is required to answer you.
#866 [11:13] <jewstin> necrodoom: i assume ur talking to me, if so, i would but its an outdated pack and the author has abandoned it, there is supposedly a 1.2.5 version but its really the 1.1 versoin
#867 [11:13] <TheNoodle> no one here works for mojang, and complaining about them here won't get you anywhere
#868 [11:14] <VortexSpear> Hey guys, how do I make my admins on Bukkit Servers have every command? I use this website to give groups commands : http://wi-alliance.com/yamlhelper
#869 [11:15] <DiskDaemon> VortexSpearL See the #bukkit channel
#870 [11:15] <pigsicles> okay so recap: i just downloaded minecraft, not loading, not updating. did force update and also ran .exe as admin.
#871 [11:15] <pigsicles> HALP PLS
#872 [11:15] <VortexSpear> okay
#873 [11:15] <DiskDaemon> dammit - it's 3am. I have to sleep
#874 [11:16] <pigsicles> night.
#875 [11:16] <jewstin> diskdaemon:that texture that u linked me to last night was outdated
#876 [11:17] <DiskDaemon> It was titled 1.2.5, but it contained 1.1 content. Which is a pity
#877 [11:18] <jewstin> yes indeed. so about updating it...
#878 [11:18] <jewstin> im pretty sure the author has abondoned it
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#881 [11:23] <crossfireninja19> my minecraft wont load how do i fix this?
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#883 [11:25] <Psychodancer_42> I am having trouble logging in to play.
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#885 [11:26] <pigsicles> SAME. mine won't load either.
#886 [11:27] <crossfireninja19> thanks are they updateing or somthing? does anyone know?
#887 [11:27] <Psychodancer_42> I've had trouble and I just got it. I don't really know.
#888 [11:27] <crossfireninja19> is it stuck with just a little bit left to load?
#889 [11:28] * DiskDaemon rolls over in bed
#889 [11:28] <Psychodancer_42> Won't download and I tried playing in the browser and it lags badly. It wants my username and password, got that confirmation email, and it won't let me sign in to download.
#890 [11:28] <DiskDaemon> If the update doesn't want to complete, it's almost certainly your antivirus program preventing Minecraft from getting the files that it needs. You can temporarily disable your antivirus program and then try again.
#891 [11:28] <paintpojken> Hey, I have a problem with my minecraft, when I try play via client is just says "can't connect too minecraft.net" and when I try playing via the browser it's says "error", can someone help me?
#892 [11:28] <pigsicles> mine stops loading halfway through
#893 [11:29] <pigsicles> it won't complete all the .jar files.
#894 [11:29] <pigsicles> it's not antivirus
#895 [11:29] * DiskDaemon rolls back and will return in several hours
#895 [11:29] <pigsicles> because it will download some
#896 [11:29] <pigsicles> and then stop
#897 [11:29] <pigsicles> or maybe one and then stop
#898 [11:29] <crossfireninja19> mine just stops loading like trollololooo
#899 [11:29] <Psychodancer_42> i can't get past the login
#900 [11:29] <pigsicles> yeah man
#901 [11:30] <crossfireninja19> god what a helpful person just lays in bed
#902 [11:30] * DiskDaemon point to 3:30am on the clock
#902 [11:30] <crossfireninja19> dude this is like your job HELP US
#903 [11:30] <Eddie> This is not his job
#904 [11:31] <Eddie> this is volunteering
#905 [11:31] <crossfireninja19> isnt he like the monjag dude
#906 [11:31] <Eddie> We are not affiliated with Mojang
#907 [11:31] <crossfireninja19> ohh ic ok go back to jackin off
#908 [11:31] <Eddie> Fascinating.
#909 [11:31] <crossfireninja19> hahaah jkjk
#910 [11:32] <crossfireninja19> someone please help me
#911 [11:32] <pigsicles> i am thinking its mojang messing with stuff probs.
#912 [11:32] <pigsicles> if we are all having the same problem.
#913 [11:32] <pigsicles> we'll probably have to wait it out unfortunately.
#914 [11:32] <pigsicles> i've done everything i can think of to troubleshoot.
#915 [11:34] <crossfireninja19> hey pig can we like buddy up on minecraft? me and you start a server? wanna?
#916 [11:34] <paintpojken> Still need help I have had this problem for a while now :(
#917 [11:36] <pigsicles> um idk how i am going to start anything if my shit isn't loading.
#918 [11:36] <pigsicles> how long have you had your problem?
#919 [11:36] <pigsicles> or i guess "our" problem since i am facing the same thing, lol.
#920 [11:38] <crossfireninja19> ummm since yesterday itt was a black screen now this
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#922 [11:45] <rymate1234> Guys
#923 [11:45] <rymate1234> I have a slight issue
#924 [11:46] <rymate1234> http://pastebin.com/rgYPXgvm
#925 [11:50] <rymate1234> Halp plz? :(
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#934 [12:15] <Calinou> rymate1234, 32 bit or 64 bit?
#935 [12:15] <Calinou> you could try updating LWJGL
#936 [12:16] <rymate1234> Calinou, I'll try that
#937 [12:17] <Calinou> see the wiki: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Tutorials/Update_LWJGL
#938 [12:17] <rymate1234> I know how to update lwjgl :P
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#941 [12:19] <rymate1234> that worked, thanks!
#942 [12:19] <spiroulis> everytime that i try to build in a classic server the menu opens why?
#943 [12:21] <Calinou> spiroulis, change the keys?
#944 [12:22] <spiroulis> no from the first time i played that happened
#945 [12:22] <Calinou> this is why you should change the keys
#946 [12:22] <Calinou> ;-;
#947 [12:23] <spiroulis> i'll try
#948 [12:26] <spiroulis> in the classic server it hasnt got attack and use item
#949 [12:27] <spiroulis> some guys i tolled me that its from the java and they tolled me to reininstal i reinstaled java but still can build
#950 [12:27] <spiroulis> sry still cant build
#951 [12:28] <spiroulis> this is also happening to a friend of mine
#952 [12:28] <geraldbrent> What OS?
#953 [12:28] <Calinou> some servers disallow building near the spawn
#954 [12:28] <Calinou> and on some servers you need to ask build rights too
#955 [12:28] <Calinou> anyway classic is not supported in this channel; support for it is low priority
#956 [12:29] <spiroulis> no its not that it hapens also in freebuild and capture the flag and zombie survival
#957 [12:29] <Calinou> ...there is no zombie survival or capture the flag
#958 [12:30] <spiroulis> no ofens but have you ever played in a classic server? write caznowl and you will see both of them
#959 [12:30] <spiroulis> how can i get to the channel low priority?
#960 [12:31] <Calinou> no, I don't play classic
#961 [12:31] <Calinou> ;-; can people know what I mean by "low priority"? there's no separate channel
#962 [12:31] <Calinou> "write caznowl and you will see both of them" < ?
#963 [12:33] <spiroulis> i ment when you go in minecraft.net where it says play classic outdated but free click multi player and then in the list above it in this bar write caznowl and four servers will apear
#964 [12:34] <Calinou> ;-;
#965 [12:35] <spiroulis> anyway i'll go to check in other sites but thanks and im sorry for wasting your time
#966 [12:38] <clarjon1> Calinou: Just say that classic is not supported because it's no longer being developed :)
#967 [12:38] <Calinou> yes, anyway: R A G E Q U IT
#968 [12:38] <Calinou> oops, fail
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#978 [13:19] <[TAC]CraveMode> Hey, I am trying to get some ported forge/bukkit mods to work.. I am having trouble with MoCreatures and buildcraft, I have this...
#979 [13:19] <[TAC]CraveMode> CONFLICT @ 3800 item slot already occupied by net.minecraft.serv
#980 [13:19] <[TAC]CraveMode> er.MoCItemFishBowl@3097168a while adding buildcraft.core.ItemBuildCraftTexture@f
#981 [13:19] <[TAC]CraveMode> 48d6f2
#982 [13:20] <[TAC]CraveMode> Now, I used JPE to go into mod_MOC class file, when I edit the code and change 3800 to like 3900 on sipush, it gives me an error about bipush on export... do i need to change the bipush on each sipush to something too?
#983 [13:24] <[TAC]CraveMode> so you can see the class file, I only copied the last half that I have to change.. here is the Before: http://pastebin.com/hWKuKbzi and After: http://pastebin.com/XE6gxKat
#984 [13:25] <[TAC]CraveMode> I only changed 3800 - 3806 to 4800 - 4806
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#988 [14:00] <skyboy> i'm pretty sure there are fewer than 4800 item slots
#989 [14:01] <skyboy> there are only 4096 block slots, and i think items have the same number of slots
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#991 [14:13] <paintpojken> Hey, I need some help, when I start my client, it show up this "java.net.SocketException: Invalid argument: connect" anyone know how to solve this problem?
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#994 [14:19] <reid> i lost my vl.class file while trying to remove a mod can you help
#995 [14:20] <reid> please help
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#997 [14:23] <reid> i lost a file
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#999 [14:23] <reid> hi
#1000 [14:25] <reid> hello?
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#1002 [14:26] <reid> hello
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#1007 [14:29] <paintpojken> Hey, I need some help, when I start my client, it show up this "java.net.SocketException: Invalid argument: connect" anyone know how to solve this problem?
#1008 [14:29] <paintpojken> Hey, I need some help, when I start my client, it show up this "java.net.SocketException: Invalid argument: connect" anyone know how to solve this problem?
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#1015 [14:51] <xales> paintpojken: Hi.
#1016 [14:51] <xales> Do you know what version of Java you have installed?
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#1020 [14:59] <wyatt_> if we purchased minecraft in May of this year, we log into our account and now it wants us to purchase it again
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#1025 [15:10] <honeydeww6999> hello
#1026 [15:11] <Elystus> o/
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#1028 [15:13] <JohnLeFen> Downloaded Minecraft to Windows 7 PC a few days ago and in the optiond menu both MUSIC and SOUND are shown as off. If I click on any one of them, I am kicked out of the game. I can adjust the other options no problem. TY
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#1030 [15:16] <GreyVulpine> Try going to %appdata%/.minecraft/ and deleting the resources folder. Open up the launcher, and before logging in, press "Options", then "Force Update". Log in as normal to have minecraft redownload those sound files
#1031 [15:17] <domoromo> Hi there. Trying to run 1.2.5 in Ubuntu 12.04. I've updated all drivers and lwjgl to no avail. Basically, It plays great for like 5 minutes and then my fps drops to 0 abruptly
#1032 [15:18] <DopeGhoti> domoromo: when that happens, is the entire system laggardly? What do you see in `top`?
#1033 [15:18] <domoromo> No just minecraft. When I get out of the program the rest of my system runs fine
#1034 [15:18] <domoromo> I've also noticed that on the debug screen the render % (on that pie chart) goes from like 55% to 90+%
#1035 [15:20] <JohnLeFen> Hi domoromo, just tried what you suggested but no change. No sounds at all and options for music and sound still un-changeable.
#1036 [15:21] <JohnLeFen> Sorry should be GreyVulpine not domoromo !!
#1037 [15:22] <domoromo> No worries :)
#1038 [15:28] <domoromo> Hmmm...
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#1040 [15:30] <syfy04> minecraft freezes on my computer after about 10 minutes of play.
#1041 [15:30] <syfy04> how can i fix this
#1042 [15:30] <domoromo> I'm having a very similar issue
#1043 [15:31] <domoromo> what OS are you running?
#1044 [15:31] <syfy04> i have to close the program and restart the game... very frustrating
#1045 [15:31] <syfy04> windows 7
#1046 [15:31] <domoromo> I'm on Ubuntu...
#1047 [15:32] <domoromo> all the knowledgeable people have gone idle. Hopefully they'll be around soon
#1048 [15:32] <syfy04> oh...
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#1050 [15:37] <Chris> My friend stole my account my email was fake what can i do to change it or do anything?
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#1052 [15:38] <paintpojken> xales: hey
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#1054 [15:40] <Ookp> How can i download the game? every time i attempt to download it i get an error :(
#1055 [15:42] <domoromo> what's the error?
#1056 [15:44] <Ookp> Could not create the java virtual machine and a fatal exception has occurred. Program will exit
#1057 [15:45] <domoromo> have you tried deleting your .minecraft folder? (backup your saves first)
#1058 [15:46] <Ookp> I don't any minecraft folder at all i just purchased it last night and have yet to be able to download it
#1059 [15:46] <domoromo> can you play it in your browser?
#1060 [15:46] <Ookp> It will not download onto my computer atm
#1061 [15:47] <Ookp> Let me check
#1062 [15:49] <Ookp> The java icon is up and it looks as if its loading but the loading bar under it is not moving at all
#1063 [15:50] <domoromo> and you've never been able to run minecraft before?
#1064 [15:50] <Ookp> Never
#1065 [15:50] <Ookp> I just purchased it last night
#1066 [15:50] <domoromo> weird
#1067 [15:51] <domoromo> is java up-to-date?
#1068 [15:51] <Ookp> Yes it is
#1069 [15:51] <Ookp> i just got an error from trying to play it on the browser X.x
#1070 [15:51] <domoromo> That's all I can think of... you'll have to wait for one of the smarter people :(
#1071 [15:51] <Ookp> class not found exception
#1072 [15:52] <Ookp> Thanks for your help anyways =D
#1073 [15:52] <domoromo> np. I'm trying to get some help too
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#1077 [15:57] <Soki> Hey
#1078 [15:57] <domoromo> Hi
#1079 [15:57] <Ookp> Hello
#1080 [15:57] <Soki> Where could you find the java version 6 that is recommended to play with?
#1081 [15:58] <domoromo> http://java.com/en/download/index.jsp
#1082 [15:59] <domoromo> that's actually java 7
#1083 [15:59] <domoromo> http://java.com/en/download/manual_v6.jsp
#1084 [15:59] <domoromo> That'll get you 6, but you should probably try 7 first
#1085 [16:00] <Soki> Alrite :) thanks :) but last time i talked about which java to use, i got told to use 6 ? Since the 7 was buggy for minecraft?
#1086 [16:00] <domoromo> I would trust what someone else said... I'm not the most knowledgeable on this subject
#1087 [16:00] <domoromo> but I can find links :)
#1088 [16:00] <Soki> Okey =) thanks alot for the link ;)
#1089 [16:00] <syfy04> im back
#1090 [16:01] <syfy04> my minecraft froze again
#1091 [16:01] <domoromo> welcome back... Still just us chickens
#1092 [16:01] <syfy04> fun to play when its not frozen of course
#1093 [16:01] <domoromo> true
#1094 [16:01] <syfy04> any ideas why mine would freeze? anyone out there?
#1095 [16:02] <syfy04> other than domoromo lol
#1096 [16:03] <syfy04> guessing thats a no
#1097 [16:04] <domoromo> :)
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#1099 [16:09] <domoromo> Hello
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#1101 [16:13] <Phil__> I have a vista vanilla gift card with $50 on it, but i can't purchase minecraft with it. I was able to buy items off the steam store as well as from Riot Games . Is there something that I am doing wrong, or does minecrat not take giftcards from vista ?
#1102 [16:14] <domoromo> No clue man... you probably need to email the mojang folks directly about that one
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#1105 [16:15] <Phil__> ok thanks Domormo !
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#1107 [16:16] <domoromo> still looking for some help on my freezing issue
#1108 [16:18] <Scott> Phil__: Mojang is based in Sweden.
#1109 [16:18] <Scott> You can't buy things from a non-US based company until you confirm your identity.
#1110 [16:19] <Scott> Call card services (number is on back of the card) and tell them you want to make an international purchase.
#1111 [16:19] <Phil__> ok
#1112 [16:20] <domoromo> Scott: MC 1.2.5 drops to like 0 FPS after playing for like 5-10 min. I'm running 64 bit Ubuntu and have updated all drivers and lwjgl. Any thoughts?
#1113 [16:20] <domoromo> Runs great up until that point
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#1115 [16:22] <Phil__> found out that due to changes in applicable law, gift cards purchased after March 31, 2012 may not be used for international transactions or purchases. U.S. transactions or purchases only.
#1116 [16:22] <domoromo> that blows
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#1118 [16:25] <domoromo> MC 1.2.5 runs great and then drops to like 0 FPS after playing for like 5-10 min. I'm running 64 bit Ubuntu and have updated all drivers and lwjgl. Any thoughts? (Repeated for the new guy)
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#1122 [16:43] <badblazeraranda> hay how do i set up a gift code account?
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#1124 [16:44] <badblazeraranda> hello?
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#1126 [16:45] <domoromo> did you receive a gift code or are you trying to send one?
#1127 [16:45] <ssharp> my computer keeps getting a Data Execution Prevention error when i try to play! what do i do?
#1128 [16:45] <badblazeraranda> i gave my buddy the gift code and now i dont k
#1129 [16:45] <badblazeraranda> i sent 1
#1130 [16:46] <domoromo> I think when your friend registers he/she can put in the code
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#1132 [16:46] <domoromo> Never done it personally though
#1133 [16:47] <domoromo> ssharp: has MC only recently had that problem?
#1134 [16:47] <badblazeraranda> does he have to reregaster
#1135 [16:48] <ssharp> domoromo: just purchased it and have yet to play
#1136 [16:48] <domoromo> badblazeranda: I would suppose that he does, but I'm not 100% on that
#1137 [16:49] <domoromo> ssharp: Are you trying to run it through the browser?
#1138 [16:49] <ssharp> yes
#1139 [16:50] <badblazeraranda> ok thanks
#1140 [16:50] <domoromo> Have you tried running it off your computer instead?
#1141 [16:50] <ssharp> no, i'll try that now
#1142 [16:52] <domoromo> Argh... Is anyone out there that could help me? :p
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#1145 [16:55] <ssharp> domoromo: just freezes at Mojang logo when run out of browser, same place it errors in browser
#1146 [16:55] <munchies> Hi
#1147 [16:55] <Boreeas> domoromo: What's your issue?
#1148 [16:55] <domoromo> Yay!
#1149 [16:56] <munchies> tcan anyone give me a very simple step by step on setting up a server without port-forwarding?
#1150 [16:56] <domoromo> MC 1.2.5 runs great and then drops to like 0 FPS after playing for like 5-10 min. I'm running 64 bit Ubuntu and have updated all drivers and lwjgl. Any thoughts? (Repeated for the new guy)
#1151 [16:56] <Boreeas> Are you using any mods?
#1152 [16:57] <domoromo> Boreeas:I thought that might be the problem at first so I deleted .minecraft and have just vanilla 1.2.5. Still does the same thing
#1153 [16:57] <Boreeas> How much RAM do you have, and how much of that is free before you start playing minecraft?
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#1155 [16:57] <Boreeas> Is it possible that Minecraft starts using swap space?
#1156 [16:57] <munchies> can anyone help me?
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#1158 [16:58] <domoromo> Boreeas: I've got it allocating 2048 MB, the debug screen says it's only using about 20-ish % of allocated memory
#1159 [16:58] <qwasx216> read time out what should i do?
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#1161 [16:58] <munchies> can anyone give me a very simple step by step on setting up a server without port-forwarding?
#1162 [16:58] <Boreeas> domoromo: If it's allocations 2 GB, it still takes 2 GB for the OS, I think
#1163 [16:58] <domoromo> I have 4 GB total
#1164 [16:59] <Boreeas> You may want to lower that amount anyway,
#1165 [16:59] <munchies> can anyone give me a very simple step by step on setting up a server without port-forwarding PLEASE???
#1166 [16:59] <domoromo> I've tried it on 1024 and it does the same
#1167 [16:59] <Boreeas> If you give java too much RAM, the GC starts slowing you down. Try giving it even less, 512-ish or so
#1168 [16:59] <domoromo> munchies:https://www.google.com/search?q=minecraft+server+tutorial&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=ubuntu&channel=fs
#1169 [16:59] <qwasx216> readtimeout what should i do?
#1170 [16:59] <munchies> Thank you
#1171 [17:00] <Boreeas> munchies: Easy: Get a server hoster
#1172 [17:00] <domoromo> Boreeas: I'll give that a shot
#1173 [17:00] <qwasx216> can someone help me pls
#1174 [17:00] <munchies> Server hosters cost money
#1175 [17:00] <Jeremy_> I have premium account, but I think I deleted my texture packs, how do I re-install texture packs?
#1176 [17:01] <munchies> domoromo: thanks because i couldn't have figured that out on my own
#1177 [17:01] <munchies> Jeremy_: re-download them
#1178 [17:01] <Boreeas> munchies: Well, you have a problem then. Without port forwarding, hosting a server from home is not really possible
#1179 [17:01] <Jeremy_> if I redownload, will I lose my current games?
#1180 [17:02] <Boreeas> ??> Jeremy_ win/reinst
#1181 [17:02] <VoxelHead> Jeremy_: (win/reinst) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#1182 [17:02] <ssharp> Data Execution prevention error. just purchased MC and can't get it to load. In the browser it gives the DEP error and out of browser it freezes on Mojang logo. Have tried both Java 7 and Java 6.
#1183 [17:02] <VoxelHead> Jeremy_: (win/reinst) To do so, press your Windows+R keys, type in %AppData% at the dialog, and press Enter. In the window that appears, open the .minecraft directory, and delete everything except for the saves directory that you see therein. Then, try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
#1184 [17:02] <munchies> Boreeas: thank you very much
#1185 [17:02] <Boreeas> Oh, nevermind, Jeremy_
#1186 [17:02] <Boreeas> I thought you wanted to redownload minecraft
#1187 [17:02] <Boreeas> Anyway, just reinstall the texturepacks as you did the first time
#1188 [17:03] <Jeremy_> thanks, I will try
#1189 [17:04] <ssharp> any ideas?
#1190 [17:06] <skyboy|MCC> ??< mcedit
#1191 [17:07] <domoromo> Boreeas: Still happens with 512
#1192 [17:07] <Boreeas> Hmm
#1193 [17:07] <Boreeas> What does the debug screen tell you where most of the CPU time goes?
#1194 [17:07] <domoromo> render spikes from about 55% to like 92% when I lose FPS
#1195 [17:08] <domoromo> normally it's like 55 for render and 45 for tick
#1196 [17:08] <Boreeas> Hmm. Do you use any high-res texture pack?
#1197 [17:08] <domoromo> No, completely vanilla. fresh install
#1198 [17:09] <Boreeas> Then I'm afraid I'm out of ideas.
#1199 [17:09] <domoromo> grrr... Yeah, it's a tough nut to crack. I haven't been able to find anything on either the MC or ubuntu forums. Thanks though
#1200 [17:10] <domoromo> ssharp: are you on windows?
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#1203 [17:12] <ssharp> domoromo: yes win vista
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#1205 [17:14] <Deathfiyr> hi
#1206 [17:15] <domoromo> ssharp: hit the windows key + R and then type %AppData% and hit the Enter key. do you have a .minecraft folder?
#1207 [17:15] <ssharp> domoromo: yes i do
#1208 [17:16] <domoromo> try deleting that folder and then run minecraft again
#1209 [17:16] <ssharp> did that. no luck
#1210 [17:16] <domoromo> man, I am no help today :)
#1211 [17:17] <ssharp> thanks anyway. this sucks.
#1212 [17:19] <Deathfiyr> ssharp whats the problem
#1213 [17:20] <ssharp> Data Execution prevention error. just purchased MC and can't get it to load. In the browser it gives the DEP error and out of browser it freezes on Mojang logo. Have tried both Java 7 and Java 6. Also reinstalled .minecraft folder
#1214 [17:20] <Deathfiyr> what ur pc specs?
#1215 [17:24] <ssharp> Acer laptop AMD Athlon 1.6GHz 2M ram
#1216 [17:25] <ssharp> Runs on my mom's laptop only difference is she has 4M ram
#1217 [17:31] * Deathfiyr[A] is now away - Reason : BRB
#1217 [17:32] <Elystus> Boreeas:
#1218 [17:32] <Boreeas> Yes?
#1219 [17:32] <Elystus> Can you check something for me
#1220 [17:32] <Boreeas> Sure, what is it?
#1221 [17:32] <Elystus> First of all, are you on windows?
#1222 [17:33] <Boreeas> Nope, I use Ubuntu
#1223 [17:33] <Elystus> Darn :/
#1224 [17:33] <Elystus> I just wrote a script that fixes the hosts file for windows
#1225 [17:33] <Elystus> I wanted to see what the default executionpolicy for powershell is, so that I can set it back at the end of the script.
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#1227 [17:34] <Boreeas> Ah, no idea, sorry
#1228 [17:34] <Elystus> I will just ask someone else, its fine. :)
#1229 [17:35] <Boreeas> Google says there is a "Default" execution policy
#1230 [17:36] <Elystus> I just got it.
#1231 [17:36] <Elystus> This script should work flawlessly.
#1232 [17:36] <Elystus> until someone finds a way to break it >_>
#1233 [17:38] * Deathfiyr is no longer away : Gone for 6 minutes 43 seconds
#1233 [17:38] <Deathfiyr> in on windows
#1234 [17:38] <Deathfiyr> i'm*
#1235 [17:38] <Boreeas> Deathfiyr: Read this please: http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html
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#1237 [17:40] <ssharp> deathfiyr: I am not running off an Android . Is there another fix?
#1238 [17:41] <Deathfiyr> i can't find another
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#1240 [17:41] <Deathfiyr> maybe ask someone else
#1241 [17:41] <moxen44> Can anyone help me? I cannot update it get as far as saying "Fatal Error Occured (4) Connection reset"
#1242 [17:42] <Deathfiyr> ssharp:check the minecraft forums as there are many posts about it
#1243 [17:43] <oldtopman> moxen44: Do you have a firewall installed?
#1244 [17:43] <moxen44> it get to lwjgl.jar 7% then the fatal error
#1245 [17:43] <ssharp> thanks I will keep searching it.
#1246 [17:44] <moxen44> as far as i know i only had windows firewall which i turned off and still get the same error
#1247 [17:45] <oldtopman> moxen44: Do you have any antivirus installed?
#1248 [17:46] <moxen44> oh crap ya avg... totally forgot about that
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#1250 [17:48] <oldtopman> moxen44: Disable that while you download the files.
#1251 [17:48] <oldtopman> Should work :)
#1252 [17:51] <moxen44> disabled and still stops
#1253 [17:54] <moxen44> woohoo it was still running with everything disabled had to find the processes and turn it off manualy works now thanks alot oldtopman
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#1256 [18:08] <zimphire> Anyone tried the 'Open to LAN' server via Hamachi on 12w27a? Can't get it to work
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#1261 [18:23] <Elystus> o/ DiskDaemon
#1262 [18:23] <Elystus> just in time lol
#1263 [18:23] <Elystus> I just finished the hosts file script
#1264 [18:24] <DiskDaemon> nice one
#1265 [18:25] <Elystus> Would you like to test it?
#1266 [18:26] <DiskDaemon> sure
#1267 [18:26] <Elystus> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/91143948/Hosts_fix.zip
#1268 [18:26] <Elystus> it will get rid of any line with s3.amazon.com on it or minecraft.net
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#1270 [18:30] <zerathian> does anyone know why i cant buy it
#1271 [18:30] <DiskDaemon> zerathian: because it's not authorized?
#1272 [18:31] <zerathian> whats does that mean
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#1274 [18:31] <DiskDaemon> zerathian: What are you trying to buy it with?
#1275 [18:31] <zerathian> visa debit card
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#1277 [18:31] <jackhammer> american express
#1278 [18:32] <DiskDaemon> zerathian: YOu may need to contact your bank to authorize it for an overseas payment
#1279 [18:32] <DiskDaemon> jackhammer: Sorry, american express is not accepted there
#1280 [18:32] <jackhammer> when we check american express it comes up as visa
#1281 [18:32] <zerathian> hmm k
#1282 [18:33] <jackhammer> american express is a payment option
#1283 [18:33] <DiskDaemon> yes, that shouldn't be there
#1284 [18:33] <Elystus> I need to talk to marc about that <_<
#1285 [18:34] <jackhammer> what major credit cards do you accept...paypal wont work for us either
#1286 [18:34] <DiskDaemon> We? We're just random vounteers in this channel
#1287 [18:34] <DiskDaemon> Mojang accepts visa, mastercard, paypal, and I'm not sure what else
#1288 [18:34] <Elystus> jackhammer: What cards do you have. I can tell you which of them should work.
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#1290 [18:37] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: Did the script work for you?
#1291 [18:37] <DiskDaemon> I'm just checking some things out on a virtual machine
#1292 [18:37] <Elystus> Okay :)
#1293 [18:37] <Elystus> I will start on the java fix after I have eaten
#1294 [18:37] <Elystus> But that will take a while, plus I want to discuss how i should do it with you .
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#1296 [18:38] <magnuscrane> hellp
#1297 [18:38] <Elystus> Whats wrong?
#1298 [18:38] <magnuscrane> my minecraft account seems to have vanished; are the login servers up?
#1299 [18:38] <Elystus> let me check
#1300 [18:38] <Elystus> !login
#1301 [18:38] <magnuscrane> when i try to log in on minecraft.net it says that my email isnt registered
#1302 [18:39] <magnuscrane> but i preordered minecraft like a year ago
#1303 [18:39] <Elystus> what is your mc username?
#1304 [18:39] <magnuscrane> magnuscrane
#1305 [18:39] <Elystus> !paid magnuscrane
#1306 [18:40] <Elystus> magnuscrane: try a password reset
#1307 [18:40] <magnuscrane> i did
#1308 [18:40] <magnuscrane> never got an email
#1309 [18:40] <magnuscrane> so i tried to do a username reminder
#1310 [18:40] <magnuscrane> and it says my emai lis not on record
#1311 [18:40] <mickster04> magnuscrane: sounds like you used a different email address
#1312 [18:40] <skyboy> did you change emails?
#1313 [18:40] <Elystus> Okay, well go to this link and submit a ticket: http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/329530-my-email-account-has-changed-
#1314 [18:40] <magnuscrane> no
#1315 [18:40] <skyboy> did you put your email in incorrectly?
#1316 [18:40] <magnuscrane> ive been using the same email for ten years
#1317 [18:40] <magnuscrane> no
#1318 [18:40] <magnuscrane> it worked before
#1319 [18:41] <Elystus> magnuscrane: Go to the link I gave you and submit a ticket.
#1320 [18:41] <magnuscrane> ok
#1321 [18:41] <magnuscrane> I have also emailed support@mojang
#1322 [18:41] * Elystus goes to eat lunch
#1322 [18:42] <DopeGhoti> magnuscrane: Let me get this straight. You bought minecraft a year ago, and your account has never worked, and you are only now asking for help?
#1323 [18:42] <DiskDaemon> magnuscrane: That's likely to piss them off, receiving multiple emails about the same problem
#1324 [18:43] <magnuscrane> no
#1325 [18:43] <magnuscrane> my account worked before
#1326 [18:43] <magnuscrane> but i have not played for about 6 months
#1327 [18:43] <Scott> Any of you guys use Dish network?
#1328 [18:43] <DopeGhoti> Did you migrate to a Mojang account?
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#1330 [18:43] <DopeGhoti> Scott: I used to.
#1331 [18:43] <magnuscrane> i just tried to play again for the first time now and now it doesnt work
#1332 [18:43] <Scott> Too bad you still don't.
#1333 [18:43] <Scott> They're sending me a free roku
#1334 [18:43] <magnuscrane> i didnt migrate to a mojang acct
#1335 [18:43] <DopeGhoti> Scott: oh?
#1336 [18:43] <Scott> They dropped AMC and they're giving rokus to people who complain.
#1337 [18:43] <DopeGhoti> magnuscrane: you are certain of your Minecraft account name?
#1338 [18:43] <magnuscrane> when i stopped palying, that didnt exist
#1339 [18:43] <magnuscrane> yes
#1340 [18:43] <magnuscrane> i had it saved
#1341 [18:44] <zerathian> so i can buy it still i hit visa and i agre with terms and conditions but when i click proceed to checkout the screen wont load
#1342 [18:44] <magnuscrane> and someone made aubot say that i paid in here i assume it has some kind of access to a userlist
#1343 [18:44] <DopeGhoti> magnuscrane: Do you still have the account creating confirmation email from Mojang?
#1344 [18:44] <zerathian> cnat buy i mean
#1345 [18:44] <zerathian> cant..
#1346 [18:44] <magnuscrane> DopeGhoti: no but i have the paypal info
#1347 [18:45] <DopeGhoti> And the password reset emails are _not_ going to the same address as the PayPal email?
#1348 [18:45] <magnuscrane> they have not showed up after 20 minutes or so
#1349 [18:45] <magnuscrane> i am still checking once in a while
#1350 [18:45] <magnuscrane> oh shit i need to check my spam folder
#1351 [18:45] <magnuscrane> i MIGHT be retarded
#1352 [18:45] <DopeGhoti> Are you checking the jumk mail folders as well?
#1353 [18:46] <zerathian> does anyone know why i cant buy the purchase screen just wont load
#1354 [18:46] <skyboy> well, that's why you can't buy
#1355 [18:46] <DopeGhoti> zerathian: There may be an issue with the merchant vendor site
#1356 [18:47] <zerathian> so like is there a way to fix it or it just not working right now
#1357 [18:48] <DiskDaemon> If there is a problem with the merchant vendor site, there is nothing that you or we can do to fix it
#1358 [18:48] <zerathian> ahh crap
#1359 [18:49] <magnuscrane> nothing in junk folder
#1360 [18:49] <zerathian> so does that mean i cant buy it now
#1361 [18:49] <magnuscrane> I think I need to just wait it out now, wither until a email shows up for apss reset or i hear back on the support ticket
#1362 [18:51] <DiskDaemon> http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/359446-when-will-i-hear-back-
#1363 [18:53] <zerathian> ill try one my time i hope it works
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#1365 [18:54] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: There's a certain issue with that hosts thing
#1366 [18:54] <Elystus> yes
#1367 [18:54] <Elystus> what does it say
#1368 [18:55] <DiskDaemon> When people have secured their hosts according to recommended instructions, such as with "attrib +s +h +r hosts" your script can not do its job
#1369 [18:55] <DiskDaemon> I recommend recording the existing attribute settings, removing them to perform the edit, then put them back again
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#1371 [18:55] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: I will look into doing that
#1372 [18:56] <zerathian> well i still cant buy so i dont know what to do
#1373 [18:56] <Elystus> But most people who are having host file issues havn't done that
#1374 [18:56] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: What's worse, is that the script says that it's successful, but it's actually made no changes
#1375 [18:56] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: >_> lol I just did echo what ever I put at the end
#1376 [18:56] <Elystus> I got lazy
#1377 [18:56] <DiskDaemon> That's what I'm here for :)
#1378 [18:56] <Elystus> I will change it though.
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#1380 [18:57] <Elystus> I want to do the java fix script first. That script will work in most situations.
#1381 [18:58] <zerathian> is there another way to buy minecraft if it dont work here for me
#1382 [18:59] <Rikairchy> no
#1383 [18:59] <Rikairchy> D:
#1384 [18:59] <Rikairchy> damn
#1385 [19:00] <Elystus> ?
#1386 [19:00] <Elystus> Zerathian: No.
#1387 [19:00] <Elystus> Well actually, you can get a friend to buy you a giftcode
#1388 [19:01] <Rikairchy> he left D:
#1389 [19:01] <Elystus> D:
#1390 [19:02] <Rikairchy> im here :D
#1391 [19:02] <Elystus> :O
#1392 [19:02] * Elystus hides
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#1395 [19:06] * DiskDaemon feels so much better being back on the bouncer
#1395 [19:07] <Rikairchy> yaybnc
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#1397 [19:09] <jerichobubie> my problem is that when i try to open my minecraft launcher it shuts down before i get to the title menu do you know what wrong and yes i all ready tried the browzer version PLZZZ HELP ME :(
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#1400 [19:11] <DopeGhoti> jerichobubie: did the in-browser version work?
#1401 [19:11] <jerichobubie> NO I DID NOT :(((
#1402 [19:12] <jerichobubie> IT*
#1403 [19:12] <DopeGhoti> ?? dont/shout
#1404 [19:13] <VoxelHead> dont/shout: There is no need to yell. The acoustics in here are wonderful.
#1405 [19:13] <DopeGhoti> ?? specs
#1406 [19:13] <VoxelHead> specs: Please tell us, to the best of your knowledge and ability, the following: Your computer's make and model, which operating system you are using (including whether it is 32- or 64-bit), how much RAM your computer has, which GPU your computer has, and which version of Java you have installed.
#1407 [19:13] <jerichobubie> what does gpu mean ????????????
#1408 [19:14] <DopeGhoti> ?? gpu
#1409 [19:14] <VoxelHead> gpu: Graphical Processing Unit; also known as one's Video Card or Graphics Adapter. See ?? dxdiag for how to get lots of information about yours.
#1410 [19:15] <jerichobubie> toshiba satellite. 32 bit ( not sure)
#1411 [19:15] <DiskDaemon> jerichobubie: Please follow the instructions
#1412 [19:15] <Elystus> Is it a toshiba satellite 660?
#1413 [19:15] <jerichobubie> java 7 update 5
#1414 [19:16] <DiskDaemon> ??> jerichobubie win/dxdiag
#1415 [19:16] <VoxelHead> jerichobubie: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#1416 [19:16] <VoxelHead> jerichobubie: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#1417 [19:17] <jerichobubie> satellite A305D
#1418 [19:17] <DopeGhoti> ?? java/1.7
#1419 [19:17] <DopeGhoti> ?? getjava
#1420 [19:17] <VoxelHead> java/1.7: Java 1.7 is still in development, and is known to be incompatible with Minecraft.
#1421 [19:17] <VoxelHead> getjava: http://java.com/en/download/manual_v6.jsp
#1422 [19:18] <DopeGhoti> ??~ getjava|You can get the latest release of Java 1.6 here: http://java.com/en/download/manual_v6.jsp
#1423 [19:18] <DiskDaemon> Java .7 is no longer in development, is it?
#1424 [19:18] <DopeGhoti> DiskDaemon: it's still immature, and still known to be issueful with MC.
#1425 [19:18] <jerichobubie> whats the Win
#1426 [19:19] <jerichobubie> +R thing
#1427 [19:19] <DiskDaemon> ?? win/key
#1428 [19:19] <DopeGhoti> ??> jerichobubie win/key
#1429 [19:19] <VoxelHead> win/key: Hold down the Windows key (between Control and Alt, usually to the left of the space bar), and then press the other specified key. Think of it as typing a capital letter, but using that key instead of Shift.
#1430 [19:19] <DiskDaemon> ??> jerichobubie win/key/image
#1431 [19:19] <VoxelHead> jerichobubie: (win/key/image) WARNING: May not appear exactly as shown. http://daily-grind.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Windows-Key-722215.jpg
#1432 [19:22] <jerichobubie> um this is so confuzing tellme step by step plzzz
#1433 [19:22] <DiskDaemon> jerichobubie: Hold down the Windows key (between Control and Alt, usually to the left of the space bar), and then press the R key on your keyboard.
#1434 [19:23] <jerichobubie> ok
#1435 [19:23] <DiskDaemon> ??> jerichobubie win/dxdiag
#1436 [19:23] <VoxelHead> jerichobubie: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#1437 [19:24] <VoxelHead> jerichobubie: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#1438 [19:25] <DiskDaemon> DopeGhoti: Is it worthwhile adding a faq entry about the switchable graphics trouble that several laptops have with opengl?
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#1440 [19:26] <DiskDaemon> jerichobubie: I can save you some trouble here - I don't think that we'll be able to help you.
#1441 [19:26] <DopeGhoti> DiskDaemon: it probably would be, if you can come up with a succinct two-liner
#1442 [19:26] <DiskDaemon> Yout Satellite A305D has "ATI Mobility RADEON X1250 - 128.0 MB" http://www.cnet.com/laptops/toshiba-satellite-a305d-s6848/4507-3121_7-33088925.html
#1443 [19:26] <DiskDaemon> 128 MB is not enough graphics memory for Minecraft.
#1444 [19:27] <DiskDaemon> DopeGhoti: I'll come up with something
#1445 [19:27] <DopeGhoti> keen!
#1446 [19:31] <jerichobubie> whats whats I.R.C channel
#1447 [19:31] <DiskDaemon> Internet Relay Chat - it's how you're talking to us right now
#1448 [19:32] <jerichobubie> http://pastebin.com/k5zfCdx5
#1449 [19:32] <DiskDaemon> Internet is where, Relay is how we're doing it live, and chat is what we're doing
#1450 [19:32] <jerichobubie> kk
#1451 [19:33] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: a few things about the java fix script
#1452 [19:33] <DiskDaemon> ??> jerichobubie gpu/amd
#1453 [19:33] <VoxelHead> jerichobubie: (gpu/amd) You can get drivers for AMD (formerly ATI) video cards here: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx
#1454 [19:33] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: indeed
#1455 [19:33] <Elystus> Should I make it download the correct versions of java?
#1456 [19:33] <Elystus> even if they hava java 6?
#1457 [19:34] <jerichobubie> is this driver required???????
#1458 [19:34] <DiskDaemon> Currently while Minecraft doesn't officially suport Java 7, there needs to be the ability for both to be on the system, with Java 6 being used by preference for Minecraft
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#1460 [19:35] <DiskDaemon> jerichobubie: That's where you can go to update to a more recent graphics driver
#1461 [19:35] <crunchymunchie> hello?
#1462 [19:35] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: Okay, i will make it say that this will not help you if you have java 6.
#1463 [19:35] <crunchymunchie> ...
#1464 [19:35] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: Also, should I just edit the enviroment variable, or should I do the shortcutt method
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#1466 [19:36] <crunchymunchie> hello?
#1467 [19:36] <Elystus> Hello )
#1468 [19:36] <Elystus> :)
#1469 [19:36] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: Saying that is likely to give the wrong impression hat Java 6 is causing their problem
#1470 [19:36] <crunchymunchie> can you help me?
#1471 [19:36] <jerichobubie> do i run or save the driver?????
#1472 [19:36] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: Do the shortcut - don't mess around with peoples environment unless it's absolutely necessary
#1473 [19:36] <DiskDaemon> jerichobubie: You should run it
#1474 [19:37] <DiskDaemon> jerichobubie: You can do either actually
#1475 [19:37] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: I will phrase it in a diffrent way that does not make it seem as if java is the issue. Don't worry ;)
#1476 [19:37] <DiskDaemon> jerichobubie: If you save it, you will then need to find it and run it
#1477 [19:37] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: I will do the shortcut method.
#1478 [19:37] <DiskDaemon> %ProgramFiles%\Java\jre6\bin\java would be the default location
#1479 [19:38] <jerichobubie> do i need to download java 6 too?
#1480 [19:38] <DiskDaemon> jerichobubie: no
#1481 [19:39] <DiskDaemon> jerichobubie: There are thousands of different situations with different solutions. Don't try to fixes at random. You'll just screw things up and waste everyone's time
#1482 [19:40] <jerichobubie> ok thanks. im still downloading the driver right now. whats the next step?
#1483 [19:40] <DiskDaemon> What do you think might be the next step after downloading the driver?
#1484 [19:41] <jerichobubie> IDK
#1485 [19:41] <jerichobubie> idk
#1486 [19:41] <DiskDaemon> Should we just look at it, admiring the pretty colors on its logo before deleting it?
#1487 [19:41] <DiskDaemon> </snarky mode>
#1488 [19:41] <DiskDaemon> jerichobubie: Install it
#1489 [19:43] <jerichobubie> i mean after installing?
#1490 [19:44] <DiskDaemon> After it's finished installing, see how that affects things with minecraft
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#1492 [19:48] <Rhapsodyy> o/
#1493 [19:48] <Rhapsodyy> Does any1 know where i could find a particular soundfile in minecraft folders to delete it.
#1494 [19:49] <Rhapsodyy> Want to shut the damn maceator up cos sound is bugged and keeps coming on even when its turned off
#1495 [19:49] <DiskDaemon> sure, but won't minecraft try to download it again when it finds it missing?
#1496 [19:49] <Rhapsodyy> grrrgrr didnt think of that
#1497 [19:50] <Rhapsodyy> just fixing the damn sound bug so it doesnt turn on even though i turned it off would be nice
#1498 [19:50] <DiskDaemon> What is a maceator?
#1499 [19:50] <DopeGhoti> It's a thing that maceates?
#1500 [19:50] <Elystus> Mac eater
#1501 [19:50] <Elystus> ^
#1502 [19:51] <Rhapsodyy> macerator
#1503 [19:51] <DiskDaemon> What, herobrine's munching on burgers again?
#1504 [19:51] <Rikairchy> nomnomnom
#1505 [19:51] <DopeGhoti> Ah, that's a thing that macerates.
#1506 [19:51] <DopeGhoti> DiskDaemon: no, that's mastication
#1507 [19:51] <Rikairchy> that sounds dirty
#1508 [19:51] <DopeGhoti> I masticate many times during the day.
#1509 [19:52] <Rikairchy> i did too, about an hour ago
#1510 [19:52] <DiskDaemon> I will be going to masticate shortly
#1511 [19:52] <DopeGhoti> And I usually swallow.
#1512 [19:52] <Rikairchy> used a lot of bbq sauce on that one
#1513 [19:52] <Rikairchy> i gagged this last time
#1514 [19:52] <Rikairchy> was really spicy
#1515 [19:52] <DiskDaemon> we'll get the official quiet cough from above if this goes on though
#1516 [19:52] <Rikairchy> ikr :(
#1517 [19:53] * VoxelHead coughs
#1517 [19:53] * Elystus gives VoxelHead some cough drops
#1517 [19:53] <Rikairchy> i was expecting grey
#1518 [19:53] * VoxelHead cracks a tooth
#1518 [19:53] * Rikairchy gives VoxelHead a new one
#1518 [19:53] <VoxelHead> Yay, a new tooth!
#1519 [19:53] * VoxelHead installs it.
#1519 [19:54] * Rikairchy purges the old tooth
#1519 [19:54] <Elystus> I hurt my hand installing a new hard drive yesterday >_>
#1520 [19:54] <Rikairchy> D:
#1521 [19:54] <Rikairchy> on purpose?
#1522 [19:54] <DopeGhoti> how did you manage that?
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#1524 [19:55] <Elystus> It cut the top of my hand when I was putting the hard drive in.
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#1526 [19:55] <Elystus> It wasn't even sharp :/
#1527 [19:55] <Rikairchy> did you learn somethin?
#1528 [19:55] <Elystus> Rikairchy: no
#1529 [19:55] <Thomas_Wraith> Hello?
#1530 [19:56] <DopeGhoti> hi!
#1531 [19:56] <DopeGhoti> Bye!
#1532 [19:56] <Boreeas> Rye!
#1533 [19:56] <DopeGhoti> Oh, you're not leaving after fifteen seconds. Wonderful. How can we assist you?
#1534 [19:56] <slowfi> does running minecraft with video distance=far cause others to crash?
#1535 [19:56] <Boreeas> DopeGhoti: You forget the ping timeout
#1536 [19:56] <DopeGhoti> slowfi: I have no problems with that setting.
#1537 [19:56] <DiskDaemon> nor I
#1538 [19:57] <DopeGhoti> Boreeas: Fiddlesticks.
#1539 [19:57] <Boreeas> :D
#1540 [19:57] <slowfi> maybe it's just me
#1541 [19:57] <Thomas_Wraith> I have a question for someone who can actually give a serious answer. It is regarding online servers that require you to paid to be able to perform actual takes that are built into the vanilla minecraft game...
#1542 [19:58] <Thomas_Wraith> IE flint and Steel and its use.
#1543 [19:58] <DopeGhoti> If anyone is running a server and charging money for it, it's a racket and you ought to find a less mercenary server.
#1544 [19:59] <DiskDaemon> Thomas_Wraith: You need to have paid for Minecraft before using it to connect to servers. I don't know about other servers who require payment though to connect. That just sounds wrong
#1545 [19:59] <Thomas_Wraith> Ok, I understand that, but isn't it a violation of the producers of the game
#1546 [19:59] <Thomas_Wraith> OK there is a server that my 2 children introduced me to a few weeks back..
#1547 [20:00] <Thomas_Wraith> I have been playing it and discovered I can't use flint and steel to make fire without paying money (real cash)...
#1548 [20:00] <Boreeas> No, the server owners can block whatever they want.
#1549 [20:00] <Thomas_Wraith> Is this a violation?
#1550 [20:00] <DopeGhoti> Thomas_Wraith: indeed, monetizing a Minecraft server is against the Terms of Use, and the operator of that server should be reported.
#1551 [20:00] <Boreeas> Wait, really?
#1552 [20:01] <Dan> can i get some help with error http://paste.ssfdre38.com/27
#1553 [20:01] <DopeGhoti> Boreeas: from the TOS: "Any tools you write for the game from scratch belongs to you. Other than commercial use (unless specifically authorized by us in our brand and assets usage guidelines - for instance you are allowed to put ads on your YouTube videos containing Minecraft footage), you're free to do whatever you want "
#1554 [20:01] * Elystus goes off to report half the servers on the forums.
#1554 [20:01] * DopeGhoti points to "Other than commercial use"
#1554 [20:01] <Thomas_Wraith> Yes, true story... How would get there attention?
#1555 [20:01] <DiskDaemon> Dan: That "problematic frame" means that your graphics card drivers don't know what to do, and need to be updated
#1556 [20:02] <Boreeas> The last time I checked the forums, there was a post that explicitly stated that servers charging for connecting and the likes should no longer be reported
#1557 [20:02] <DiskDaemon> ??> dan win/dxdiag
#1558 [20:02] <domoromo> alright, there's a few more of you on now. I'm having an issue with vanilla MC 1.2.5 on Ubuntu 12.04. It runs great for like 5-10 min and then the fps drops to zero and debug screens shows render cpu time spike from 55% to 92%.
#1559 [20:02] <VoxelHead> dan: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#1560 [20:02] <VoxelHead> dan: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#1561 [20:02] <Boreeas> Granted, the last time I checked the forums was something like half a year ago
#1562 [20:02] <slowfi> if the server has minecraft celebrities playing maybe they could get people to pay
#1563 [20:02] <Dan> DiskDaemon, Not windows Linux and serverside
#1564 [20:02] <Dan> that is me trying to start minecraft_server.jar
#1565 [20:02] <Elystus> Boreeas: I am not s servers moderator, I have no idea either.
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#1567 [20:03] <DopeGhoti> Thomas_Wraith: I'll look into finding out how such monetization can be quashed; thanks for bringing it to our attention
#1568 [20:03] <DopeGhoti> this is something I've not seen addressed before
#1569 [20:03] <DiskDaemon> Dan: With linux, someone ele will have to try and help you with that
#1570 [20:03] <DiskDaemon> This is a good resource for clarifying Mojang's position on things: http://www.minecraft.net/brand-guidelines
#1571 [20:03] <Dan> yea and it says Linux in the error
#1572 [20:03] <Thomas_Wraith> OK. So to clarify... Charging to use flint and steel in order to use fire is illegal then...
#1573 [20:03] <DopeGhoti> Thomas_Wraith: it is a violation of the terms of use, yes.
#1574 [20:04] <DopeGhoti> it is a commercialization of the game which is expressly forbidden.
#1575 [20:04] <Thomas_Wraith> ok I'll look at the site then. Ok it is happening on a advertised server..
#1576 [20:04] <DiskDaemon> 'You may not make any other commercial use of the Minecraft Brand or Minecraft Assets" flint & steel is one of the assets, so charging for that is not allowed
#1577 [20:04] <Thomas_Wraith> One my 10 year old was able to find
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#1579 [20:05] <Dan> who here has Linux exp
#1580 [20:06] <Thomas_Wraith> Well, you are aware. And it is actually displayed on thier server too. My son just pointed that out under "donations"....
#1581 [20:06] <Thomas_Wraith> erm sorry "donate"
#1582 [20:06] <DiskDaemon> Thomas_Wraith: We are not Mojang or associated with Minecraft
#1583 [20:06] <xales> Dan: If you have a question, just ask it. Several people do; those than can help, will.
#1584 [20:06] <Elystus> Thomas_Wraith: Is it on the forums
#1585 [20:06] <Thomas_Wraith> Yes
#1586 [20:06] <Elystus> I can have it taken down if it violates rules
#1587 [20:06] <domoromo> I've got a linux issue too
#1588 [20:06] <Elystus> Give me the link
#1589 [20:07] <Dan> i already did and it was an error of http://paste.ssfdre38.com/27 when i try and start minecraft_server.jar
#1590 [20:07] <DopeGhoti> Thomas_Wraith: asking for donations is one thing. Charging for access is another.
#1591 [20:07] <Elystus> ^
#1592 [20:07] <Thomas_Wraith> right but to get access you have to pay
#1593 [20:07] <DopeGhoti> ??> Dan java/1.7
#1594 [20:07] <VoxelHead> Dan: (java/1.7) Java 1.7 is still in development, and is known to be incompatible with Minecraft.
#1595 [20:07] <DopeGhoti> ??> Dan getjava
#1596 [20:07] <VoxelHead> Dan: (getjava) You can get the latest release of Java 1.6 here: http://java.com/en/download/manual_v6.jsp
#1597 [20:07] <Dan> its the only version i can get that is gava
#1598 [20:07] <Elystus> Thomas_Wraith: If you give me the link I can take a look. If it breaks any rules, I can take it down.
#1599 [20:08] <Dan> i will try that
#1600 [20:08] <Thomas_Wraith> http://www.aminecraft.com/donate
#1601 [20:08] <xales> Dan:
#1602 [20:08] <xales> # An error report file with more information is saved as:
#1603 [20:08] <xales> # /home/ssfdre38/vanilla/hs_err_pid4775.log
#1604 [20:08] <DiskDaemon> Essential requirements: "NOT adversely affect the Minecraft Brand or Minecraft Assets". Those assets are being affected, so there is official action that can be taken by Mojang about that
#1605 [20:08] <Elystus> Oh, that is not on the forums >_>
#1606 [20:08] <Thomas_Wraith> but it is a link on the forum
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#1608 [20:09] <Elystus> Can I have the forum post?
#1609 [20:09] <Thomas_Wraith> Sorry?
#1610 [20:09] <Elystus> [05:08.44] <Thomas_Wraith> but it is a link on the forum
#1611 [20:09] <xales> Thomas_Wraith: Elystus is asking for a link to the post.
#1612 [20:09] <Dan> Thomas_Wraith, its pay to play?
#1613 [20:10] <Thomas_Wraith> you want the forum address. I don't know if it is on the forum specifically but that link is on the forum. I can look and give the forum link..
#1614 [20:10] <DiskDaemon> Link: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1280634-%E3%83%83-aminecraft-%E3%83%83-%E2%80%A2towny%E2%80%A2events%E2%80%A2247%E2%80%A2no-whitelist%E2%80%A2200-slots%E2%80%A2/
#1615 [20:10] <Thomas_Wraith> http://www.aminecraft.com/home
#1616 [20:10] <Boreeas> DiskDaemon saves the day
#1617 [20:11] <Dan> i see it if you want to be a true minecraft server and make money, dont charge people to play on your server
#1618 [20:11] <DiskDaemon> flint&steel, water/lava buckets, pistons, all are not allowed until you have donated at least $5
#1619 [20:12] <Dan> and that is why i wont join that server
#1620 [20:12] <Dan> that is stupid
#1621 [20:12] <Elystus> I cannot take that post down as it does not break any forum rules.
#1622 [20:12] <Elystus> Sorry :/
#1623 [20:14] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: Would this cover the situation? "In connection with User Submissions, you further agree that you will not: ... (i) submit material that is subject to third party copyright, trade secret, trademark, patent or other proprietary rights, including privacy and publicity rights, unless you have permission from their rightful owner to post the material and to grant Curse all of the license rights granted herein; (ii) otherwise submit any User Submis
#1624 [20:14] <DiskDaemon> ... right to submit under any law or under contract or fiduciary relationships
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#1626 [20:15] <Thomas_Wraith> The clearly stated you will get these abilities on the donate tab abd you can't use that?
#1627 [20:15] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: Those are at http://www.curse.com/terms which minecraftforum.net uses for its terms and conditions
#1628 [20:15] <DopeGhoti> I've spun a feeler towards a Mojang contact.
#1629 [20:15] <Thomas_Wraith> It is pay to get the ability to use fire
#1630 [20:15] <Boreeas> Thomas_Wraith: Problem is that the forum rules do not necessarily match Minecrafts ToS
#1631 [20:16] <DopeGhoti> Thomas_Wraith: we understand. We are not in charge for the fora; there is only so much we can do directly.
#1632 [20:16] <DiskDaemon> Minecraft says that the server is not allowed to do what they are doing, and the forum says that you are only allowed to post things that you have permission to do. That is a clear breach.
#1633 [20:16] <Thomas_Wraith> and Pistons and Buckets.
#1634 [20:17] <Thomas_Wraith> However it would seem they allow buckets now..
#1635 [20:17] <Thomas_Wraith> ToS?
#1636 [20:17] <Thomas_Wraith> what is that?
#1637 [20:17] <xales> DiskDaemon: The actual legality of what they are doing is questionable; they are charging you to use a specific part of the service they are providing, not for directly accessing any Minecraft assets.
#1638 [20:17] <Boreeas> Terms of Service
#1639 [20:17] <DiskDaemon> Terms of Service
#1640 [20:17] <Elystus> DiskDaemon, I will bring this up with the administrators
#1641 [20:17] <xales> Regardless, I'm not a lawyer and I doubt anybody would give a crap.
#1642 [20:17] <xales> Going to court over a $5 donation: always a good idea.
#1643 [20:18] <DopeGhoti> xales: Mojang's ToS say you are not allowed to make commercial use of Mojang assets.
#1644 [20:18] <xales> (Though "donation" is questionable in this sense)
#1645 [20:18] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: When Mojang say "You may not make any other commercial use of the Minecraft Brand or Minecraft Assets" that means that you're not allowed to charge for any of their assets, right?
#1646 [20:18] <xales> DopeGhoti: They aren't selling the game, they are selling a service.
#1647 [20:18] <DopeGhoti> Charging for access is a commercial use
#1648 [20:18] <josh> My minecraft runs out of memory after a few seconds of playing.
#1649 [20:18] <xales> Just like Multiplay, for example. Somewhat.
#1650 [20:18] <Thomas_Wraith> Thing is I'm working on a server that has sooo much more and I wouldn't dream of charging for anything. Lawsuits are crazy.
#1651 [20:18] <xales> josh: Are you on a 64-bit OS?
#1652 [20:18] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: Yes, that is one way that you can view it.
#1653 [20:18] <Thomas_Wraith> Which is part of what they designed..
#1654 [20:18] <josh> no 32
#1655 [20:19] <DopeGhoti> xales: They are making money (e. g. a commercial use) in exchange for Minecraft (e. g. Mojang assets)
#1656 [20:19] <Thomas_Wraith> YES
#1657 [20:19] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: Mojang have the final say on the matter though. I wonder which side they would fall on
#1658 [20:19] <xales> josh: Close all other applications you have open; otherwise, get more memory.
#1659 [20:19] <Thomas_Wraith> That is the point I've been trying to make.
#1660 [20:19] <josh> I do.
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#1662 [20:20] <josh> and its a new computer.
#1663 [20:20] <xales> DopeGhoti: I'm still not sure, but whatever.
#1664 [20:20] <xales> josh: If it's a new computer, it wouldn't be running a 32-bit OS.
#1665 [20:20] <Thomas_Wraith> Well you folks can take it to whowever you take it to. And I'll look into this more myself..
#1666 [20:20] <josh> i
#1667 [20:21] <josh> 'll check
#1668 [20:21] <Danni> Can anyone help me find a software plugin that lets me use commands from the irc for my minecraft classic server?
#1669 [20:21] <Thomas_Wraith> I think it is ridiculous that kids are getting charged again for something they have already paid for once..
#1670 [20:21] <xales> Danni: Google can.
#1671 [20:21] <Elystus> I beleive that the terms of use for both the forums and Mojang should apply to any items included within the mincraft.jar
#1672 [20:21] <DopeGhoti> Thomas_Wraith: I agree, as, I suspect, do many others here.
#1673 [20:21] <Danni> google brings up crap x.x
#1674 [20:21] <Boreeas> Thomas_Wraith: Well, we do what we can
#1675 [20:21] <DopeGhoti> Thomas_Wraith: I would suggest finding a different server.
#1676 [20:21] <Elystus> however, it does not affect bukkit plugins
#1677 [20:22] <DopeGhoti> Thomas_Wraith: other than looking into it and sending some emails, there is nothing we can do directly.
#1678 [20:22] <xales> Danni: We don't really support Classic, as it's quite old now. We also don't really support third-party software; beyond Googling, there isn't much we can do that you can't.
#1679 [20:22] <Elystus> Since this is an exploit of a bukkit plugin, it changes the situation a bit.
#1680 [20:22] <Thomas_Wraith> I have my own. I'm improving it from these porr examples.. My kids are banned from using that server now anyways...
#1681 [20:22] <Danni> dang.. okay well thank you :)
#1682 [20:22] <xales> Thomas_Wraith: You could always write this down, or pay someone to, and send them a nastygram.
#1683 [20:22] <xales> Thomas_Wraith: You could always write this down, or pay someone to, and send them a nastygram.
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#1685 [20:22] <xales> Most people, when threatened with legal action, even if you have no intention of following through, will listen to what you say.
#1686 [20:23] <Thomas_Wraith> I let a nastygram on thier forums already..
#1687 [20:23] <Thomas_Wraith> left*
#1688 [20:23] <xales> Thomas_Wraith: Send it as a PDF, on letterhead paper, to some offical-like email address. Threaten legal action or something, make some shit up. They will probably listen.
#1689 [20:24] <Thomas_Wraith> LOL, I can do that I know about official. <-- Military...
#1690 [20:24] <xales> \o/
#1691 [20:24] <Thomas_Wraith> Thank you for your time. It was very helpful...
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#1693 [20:25] <xales> No problem; good luck.
#1694 [20:25] <Thomas_Wraith> TBH I think this is my first time on IRQ??
#1695 [20:25] <DopeGhoti> IRC> (:
#1696 [20:25] <xales> IRC. You'd be surprised at the number of services that secretly use IRC in the background.
#1697 [20:26] <Josh> Nope it's 32 bit
#1698 [20:26] <Thomas_Wraith> Or whatever this is... Quick learned with two kids that do computers with thier eyes closed
#1699 [20:26] <Thomas_Wraith> Thank again. \o
#1700 [20:26] <xales> Josh: Again, your computer doesn't have enough memory to run Minecraft. If you have freed as much as possible, the only solution is to get more.
#1701 [20:27] <xales> Keep in mind that, without things like PAE, more than about 3.5GB of memory cannot be utilized by a 32-bit system.
#1702 [20:27] <Josh> ok
#1703 [20:28] <DiskDaemon> Dammit, I'd just finished typing... Josh: There is no software magic that can make your hardware meet the minimum specifications that are required by the game.
#1704 [20:29] <Elystus> downloadmoreram.com
#1705 [20:29] <Elystus> >_>
#1706 [20:29] <Elystus> <_<
#1707 [20:29] <xales> ??+ minspecs There is no software magic that can make your hardware meet the minimum specifications that are required by the game.
#1708 [20:29] <xales> ??> DiskDaemon minspecs
#1709 [20:29] <xales> \o/
#1710 [20:29] <xales> Oh, wait
#1711 [20:29] <xales> ??+ minspecs|There is no software magic that can make your hardware meet the minimum specifications that are required by the game.
#1712 [20:29] <xales> ??> DiskDaemon minspecs
#1713 [20:30] <VoxelHead> DiskDaemon: (minspecs) There is no software magic that can make your hardware meet the minimum specifications that are required by the game.
#1714 [20:30] <xales> There we go.
#1715 [20:30] <DiskDaemon> \o/
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#1717 [20:32] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: What did you say I needed to do with the hosts file script
#1718 [20:33] <jerichobubie> thanks for the help :D
#1719 [20:33] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: Sniff the existing attributes and remember them, remove those attributes for the edit, then put them back again afterwards
#1720 [20:36] <Elystus> DiskDaemon You had your set to read-only and hiiden correct?
#1721 [20:36] <Elystus> hidden*
#1722 [20:37] <DiskDaemon> It was +r +s +h which is recommended all over the place for securing the hosts file.
#1723 [20:37] <Elystus> Okay
#1724 [20:37] <Elystus> I think I only need to disable +r for it to ork
#1725 [20:37] <Elystus> work*
#1726 [20:37] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: Make no assumptions. Get their status, so that the are set back to what they were when you started.
#1727 [20:38] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: Might as well. I am already doing that with the powershell.
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#1729 [20:39] <DiskDaemon> DopeGhoti: With the switchable graphics, what can you do with the following?
#1730 [20:39] <DiskDaemon> Some laptops have switchable graphics, where when it detects directX being used it switches from the Intel graphics driver to the 3D graphics driver. Minecraft instead uses OpenGL which is not detected by the laptop. You can either update the Intel graphics driver to gain better OpenGL support, or update the laptop's BIOS so taht you can use fixed switching instead (where an external power source determines which is used). Details on each of these opt
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#1732 [20:40] <DiskDaemon> s/taht/that
#1733 [20:40] <DopeGhoti> DiskDaemon: let me see if I can't clean that up some
#1734 [20:41] <DopeGhoti> also, it got cut off: 'each of these opt$'
#1735 [20:41] <DiskDaemon> Details on each of these options can be found at http://bit.ly/ORHfpXs/
#1736 [20:46] <DopeGhoti> ??>> DiskDaemon gpu/discrete
#1737 [20:46] <DopeGhoti> how's that?
#1738 [20:46] <DiskDaemon> Can we have graphics-intensive instead of graphics-intensice ?
#1739 [20:47] <DiskDaemon> s/fixed/fixes
#1740 [20:47] <DiskDaemon> s/changion/changing
#1741 [20:47] <skyboy> oh, that reminds me: the java/jre|jdk options should be reduced to the most recent 6u33 and 7u5
#1742 [20:47] <DopeGhoti> typos fix'd
#1743 [20:47] <DopeGhoti> amongst others
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#1745 [20:47] <DiskDaemon> ??> DiskDaemon gpu/discrete
#1746 [20:47] <VoxelHead> DiskDaemon: (gpu/discrete) Some laptops have 'discrete GPUs', which detect when games and the like are being run, and switch from the weaker GPU (usually Intel) to the strong (usually AMD or NVIDIA). Unfortunately, the mode detection is not foolproof, and Minecraft is often not detected as a graphics-intensive program, even though it is.
#1747 [20:47] <VoxelHead> DiskDaemon: (gpu/discrete) Some possible fixes for this are installing a more capable Intel GPU driver, or changing a BIOS setting to always use the better GPU. Details on each of these options can be found at http://bit.ly/ORHfpXs/
#1748 [20:47] <DopeGhoti> ??~ java/jre|Deprecated. See ?? getjava
#1749 [20:48] <DiskDaemon> Looking lovely there :)
#1750 [20:48] <DopeGhoti> skyboy: there is no java/jre
#1751 [20:48] <skyboy> there's a few
#1752 [20:48] <xales> DopeGhoti: Broken link.
#1753 [20:48] <skyboy> jre6u29, jre/6u27
#1754 [20:48] <skyboy> perhaps a couple more
#1755 [20:48] <xales> Err, DiskDaemon, or whomever.
#1756 [20:48] <skyboy> and jre/7u1
#1757 [20:48] <makanek26> is there a easy way to get slimeballs in peaceful minecraf xbox 360 edition?
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#1759 [20:49] <skyboy> no
#1760 [20:49] <DopeGhoti> I see 'em
#1761 [20:49] <skyboy> there is no way, actually
#1762 [20:49] <DiskDaemon> Oh come on, I'll create one anew
#1763 [20:49] <DopeGhoti> we already have getjava
#1764 [20:49] <Chaotic_Void> can anyone help me with the downloadable client?
#1765 [20:49] <skyboy> tiny slimes don't spawn in peaceful
#1766 [20:49] <xales> ??> Chaotic_Void ask
#1767 [20:49] <VoxelHead> Chaotic_Void: (ask) Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help with, and be as specific as possible.
#1768 [20:49] <VoxelHead> Chaotic_Void: (ask) If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#1769 [20:49] <Chaotic_Void> when I try and launch the .exe I get the error message "The registry refers to a nonexistant Java Runtime Environment installation or the runtime is corrupt. The system cannot find the path specified.
#1770 [20:49] <makanek26> boring at all
#1771 [20:49] <makanek26> no sticky pistons then
#1772 [20:50] <DiskDaemon> DopeGhoti: A lowercase s belongs on the end of the link
#1773 [20:50] <xales> Chaotic_Void: Download and run Javara, to remove the invalid registry entries: http://singularlabs.com/software/javara/
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#1775 [20:50] <xales> Chaotic_Void: Then, download and install Java from this link:
#1776 [20:50] <xales> ??> Chaotic_Void getjava
#1777 [20:50] <VoxelHead> Chaotic_Void: (getjava) You can get the latest release of Java 1.6 here: http://java.com/en/download/manual_v6.jsp
#1778 [20:50] <DiskDaemon> no it doesn't - creating another
#1779 [20:50] <Chaotic_Void> ok thank you
#1780 [20:51] <DiskDaemon> DopeGhoti: The link is http://bit.ly/ORHfpX
#1781 [20:51] <DopeGhoti> fixing.
#1782 [20:51] <DiskDaemon> No trailing slash
#1783 [20:51] <DopeGhoti> done
#1784 [20:51] <DiskDaemon> ??> DiskDaemon gpu/discrete
#1785 [20:51] <VoxelHead> DiskDaemon: (gpu/discrete) Some laptops have 'discrete GPUs', which detect when games and the like are being run, and switch from the weaker GPU (usually Intel) to the strong (usually AMD or NVIDIA). Unfortunately, the mode detection is not foolproof, and Minecraft is often not detected as a graphics-intensive program, even though it is.
#1786 [20:51] <VoxelHead> DiskDaemon: (gpu/discrete) Some possible fixes for this are installing a more capable Intel GPU driver, or changing a BIOS setting to always use the better GPU. Details on each of these options can be found at http://bit.ly/ORHfpX
#1787 [20:51] <DopeGhoti> When testing, please use ??<.
#1788 [20:51] <DopeGhoti> ??!
#1789 [20:51] <DiskDaemon> Thanks for the patience :)
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#1791 [20:53] <Dan> ok now i have Java 1.6 installed and im getting this error now http://paste.ssfdre38.com/28
#1792 [20:53] <DopeGhoti> Dan: please also paste the contents of /home/ssfdre38/vanilla/hs_err_pid795.log
#1793 [20:54] <mavricklopez> hi can someone plz help i tried force updating my minecraft then it froze at a certain point
#1794 [20:54] <DopeGhoti> mavricklopez: please be more specific.
#1795 [20:54] <kosta7025575> he did force update
#1796 [20:54] <kosta7025575> and then
#1797 [20:54] <kosta7025575> it froxe at like 55 %
#1798 [20:54] <kosta7025575> froze*
#1799 [20:54] <skyboy> on what file
#1800 [20:55] <kosta7025575> no not any file he opend his minecraft up and then he said options and then he clicked force update
#1801 [20:55] <kosta7025575> and then it froze
#1802 [20:55] <xales> Using AVG?
#1803 [20:56] <kosta7025575> what is that?
#1804 [20:56] <skyboy> it was downloading a file, and it would have displayed what file was currently being downloaded
#1805 [20:56] <xales> An antimalware product.
#1806 [20:56] <Dan> DopeGhoti, http://paste.ssfdre38.com/29
#1807 [20:56] <kosta7025575> 4
#1808 [20:56] <kosta7025575> no he is not
#1809 [20:56] <xales> Using *any sort* of antimalware product?
#1810 [20:56] <kosta7025575> k hold on skyboy ill see what it is
#1811 [20:57] <kosta7025575> ummno he has a toshiba
#1812 [20:57] <skyboy> ...
#1813 [20:57] <DiskDaemon> If the update doesn't want to complete, it's almost certainly your antivirus program preventing Minecraft from getting the files that it needs. You can temporarily disable your antivirus program and then try again.
#1814 [20:57] <skyboy> DopeGhoti: i think you need to add an AV entry
#1815 [20:57] <xales> Dan: Is this a virtual machine you are trying to run it on?
#1816 [20:58] <Dan> VPS with enough ram and CPU for it
#1817 [20:58] <Dan> well its a dedi VPS
#1818 [20:58] <xales> Dan: What hypervisor are you using?
#1819 [20:58] <kosta7025575> skyboy it froze at the file called lwgl.jar 2%
#1820 [20:59] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: Okay, I got it figured out. Now I just need to type it up.
#1821 [20:59] <xales> kosta7025575: As skyboy said, completely disable or remove and antivirus or firewall software, then try again.
#1822 [20:59] <xales> s/and/any/
#1823 [20:59] <DopeGhoti> Dan: I'm seeing a _lot_ of reports of virtual servers' JREs crashing with that error
#1824 [20:59] <kosta7025575> k thanks
#1825 [20:59] <kosta7025575> and hold on
#1826 [21:00] <Dan> well its a VPS but it has the ram and cpu to hold it cause it was before
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#1828 [21:00] <DopeGhoti> Dan: you might contact your VPS vendor, or, if you have not invested a lot of time into your server yet, try switching from a Red Hat-based distro (e. g. CentOS) to a Debian-based distro.
#1829 [21:00] <DopeGhoti> Every instance of that JRE crash I see is on CentOS
#1830 [21:00] <Chaotic_Void> xales: I did both of the things you recommended but I got the same error message
#1831 [21:01] <Dan> well i only have a few items on it just to run it and that is it so i will try Debian cause ubuntu takes up too much ram
#1832 [21:01] <xales> Chaotic_Void: You ran Javara and selected "Remove older versions"?
#1833 [21:01] <Chaotic_Void> yes
#1834 [21:01] <kosta7025575> wait he cant do it right now is their anyother option?
#1835 [21:01] <xales> Chaotic_Void: Did it complete successfully?
#1836 [21:01] <Chaotic_Void> yes
#1837 [21:01] <xales> kosta7025575: No. The problem is caused by the antimalware and/or firewall software interfering with the download.
#1838 [21:01] <xales> Chaotic_Void: And you installed Java from the link I gave you?
#1839 [21:01] <Chaotic_Void> it removed the version I had downloaded right before buying the game
#1840 [21:02] <Chaotic_Void> and yes I redownloaded it from your link
#1841 [21:02] <xales> Chaotic_Void: Try running it several times, then installing it from the same location.
#1842 [21:02] <DopeGhoti> Dan: Just be sure to install the Server edition; not the Desktop Edition, and either Debian or Ubuntu will work perfectly well
#1843 [21:02] <xales> I have to run for a bit, but I'll be back in under an hour.
#1844 [21:03] <Dan> i only install the server edition cause i dont like a GUI on my servers
#1845 [21:03] <Chaotic_Void> ok thank you, I will try it
#1846 [21:05] <kosta7025575> do you guys all work for mojang.com?
#1847 [21:05] <DiskDaemon> none of us do
#1848 [21:06] <kosta7025575> Do you guy know how to download a snapshot?
#1849 [21:06] <DiskDaemon> indeed
#1850 [21:06] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: Okay here is version one of the hosts file fix
#1851 [21:06] * Elystus said that too early
#1851 [21:06] <kosta7025575> can you tell me?
#1852 [21:06] <skyboy> downloading a snapshot will not fix the frozen downlaod
#1853 [21:06] <DiskDaemon> Go to the page about snapshot updates, and download from there. http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Version_history/Development_versions
#1854 [21:06] <skyboy> disabling your antivirus software will
#1855 [21:06] <DiskDaemon> skyboy's right
#1856 [21:06] <kosta7025575> I know i just want to know
#1857 [21:07] <kosta7025575> I always wanted to know how to install one
#1858 [21:07] <kosta7025575> youtube does not help
#1859 [21:07] <DiskDaemon> kosta7025575: The snapshot "replaces" the minecraft.jar file, and you still need all of the other files that the Launcher tries to download with a normal update too
#1860 [21:08] <kosta7025575> oh
#1861 [21:08] <kosta7025575> can you tell me how to do it I cant dowload anything right now but illl write it down and do it later
#1862 [21:08] <DiskDaemon> kosta7025575: The snapshots aren't for the general public to normally used. They are just to help weed out bugs, and to help mod developers get ready for the next version
#1863 [21:08] <DopeGhoti> !topic info 4
#1864 [21:08] <VoxelHead> #minecrafthelp: element [ 4 = We do not support Classic or pre-releases/snapshots. ] ... set by [ Boreeas | Sun Jul 15 05:04:41 MST 2012 ]
#1865 [21:09] <DiskDaemon> kosta7025575: When there is an update to Minecraft, the launcher will automatically let you know about that and update things for you
#1866 [21:09] <kosta7025575> I know but you can download snapshots at mojang.com what are those for?
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#1868 [21:09] <DiskDaemon> kosta7025575: The snapshots used to help weed out bugs, and to help mod developers get ready for the next version
#1869 [21:10] <kosta7025575> oh
#1870 [21:10] <kosta7025575> ok then thanks
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#1872 [21:11] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: Here is version 1 of it: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/91143948/Hosts_fix.zip
#1873 [21:11] <Elystus> Its not how I want it, but I need to rewrite the whole thing.
#1874 [21:12] <kosta7025575> Do you need to turn off virus portection inorder for your minecraft to force update if its having trouble/
#1875 [21:12] <Elystus> yes
#1876 [21:13] <kosta7025575> k
#1877 [21:13] <kosta7025575> thanks
#1878 [21:13] <kosta7025575> wait you were talking to me right?
#1879 [21:13] <Elystus> yep
#1880 [21:13] <skyboy> yes
#1881 [21:13] <kosta7025575> k thanks
#1882 [21:13] <kosta7025575> Do you guys know a way to clear your record on mcbans?
#1883 [21:15] <Elystus> I think you have to appeal
#1884 [21:15] <kosta7025575> so do you?
#1885 [21:15] <kosta7025575> yeah but I tried making an account but it always falied
#1886 [21:15] <kosta7025575> I hate mcbans
#1887 [21:15] <DiskDaemon> kosta7025575: Read http://support.mcbans.com/index.php?/Knowledgebase/Article/View/13/3/perma-010-rep-unban-request
#1888 [21:15] <kosta7025575> thanks
#1889 [21:16] * Elystus starts on the java fix script
#1889 [21:17] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: The hosts file has its attribute permissions changed to something different when the cleanup is complete
#1890 [21:17] <kosta7025575> its says acceses deniad
#1891 [21:17] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: What do you mean?
#1892 [21:17] <funnykiller00> can anyone help me getting minecraft to work on my pc
#1893 [21:17] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: I started with a hosts file that was just +r, and it ended up as +r+s+h
#1894 [21:18] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: That because I did not make it remember your original settings. I am going to do that tomorrow.
#1895 [21:18] <kosta7025575> I click on the linkk you snedme and then it said acceses dinied
#1896 [21:18] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: actually, let me test something
#1897 [21:18] <DiskDaemon> kosta7025575: Sorry, it works for me
#1898 [21:18] <kosta7025575> then can you do it fo rme?
#1899 [21:18] <kosta7025575> please I really need it
#1900 [21:19] <DiskDaemon> kosta7025575: We are not in a position to do that
#1901 [21:19] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: I came up with a really weird way of doing it, but it may work....
#1902 [21:19] <kosta7025575> do you have skype?
#1903 [21:19] <DiskDaemon> kosta7025575: yes
#1904 [21:19] <kosta7025575> then can you contact me and then ill share my screen and show you what happend?
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#1906 [21:20] <DiskDaemon> kosta7025575: Sorry, that's not going to happen
#1907 [21:20] <kosta7025575> why not?
#1908 [21:20] <DiskDaemon> Because I live in a country where I must pay for every single byte of data that is transferred
#1909 [21:20] <skyboy> canada?
#1910 [21:20] <funnykiller00> still asking for help here
#1911 [21:20] <kosta7025575> do you live in the us?
#1912 [21:20] <kosta7025575> U.S
#1913 [21:21] <DiskDaemon> No, there are a lot of countries outside of the US
#1914 [21:21] <kosta7025575> well i live in the U.S
#1915 [21:21] <kosta7025575> poo
#1916 [21:21] <kosta7025575> is their anyone else that can help me?
#1917 [21:21] <skyboy> no.
#1918 [21:22] <kosta7025575> are you guy all in diffrent counries?
#1919 [21:22] <skyboy> we have told you how to fix your minecraft issue. what you are requesting now is not a minecraft issue
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#1921 [21:22] <DiskDaemon> kosta7025575: Is there anything else that we can help you with today?
#1922 [21:22] <kosta7025575> sadly no
#1923 [21:23] <funnykiller00> is there anyone that can walk me through to make sure i have downloaded and set up minecraft correctly
#1924 [21:23] <skyboy> i don't see how that's a sad thing. when things break, virtually no one is happy
#1925 [21:23] <kosta7025575> The minecraft issue was for my friend the mcbans one was for me
#1926 [21:23] <DiskDaemon> funnykiller00: Are you experiencing an issue of some kind?
#1927 [21:23] <funnykiller00> big time
#1928 [21:23] <kosta7025575> skyboy is their at least another way for me to clear my record?
#1929 [21:23] <funnykiller00> not sure if i did everything correctly or not
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#1931 [21:24] <DiskDaemon> funnykiller00: What is the issue that you are having?
#1932 [21:24] <skyboy> mojang is not responsible for mcbans, and neither are we
#1933 [21:24] <funnykiller00> every time i try to start minecraft the screen goes black and exits out of the game
#1934 [21:24] <kosta7025575> Do you work for mojang?
#1935 [21:24] <skyboy> even if i worked for mojang, i still wouldn't be able to help you.
#1936 [21:24] <DiskDaemon> funnykiller00: Okay, the first thing to try is to reinstall it
#1937 [21:24] <DiskDaemon> ??> funnykiller00 win/reinst
#1938 [21:25] <VoxelHead> funnykiller00: (win/reinst) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#1939 [21:25] <VoxelHead> funnykiller00: (win/reinst) To do so, press your Windows+R keys, type in %AppData% at the dialog, and press Enter. In the window that appears, open the .minecraft directory, and delete everything except for the saves directory that you see therein. Then, try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
#1940 [21:25] <DiskDaemon> kosta7025575: Nobody here works for Mojang
#1941 [21:25] <kosta7025575> Is their anyway I can get help like on another site or osmething?
#1942 [21:25] <DiskDaemon> kosta7025575: Which site is your trouble with?
#1943 [21:25] <skyboy> you can get mcbans-related help on mcbans
#1944 [21:25] <DiskDaemon> They are who you need to contact then.
#1945 [21:26] <kosta7025575> I treid before but falied well thanks anyway
#1946 [21:26] <Rhapsodyy> Hmm any1 know if theres any way to make rolling machine seems to be bugged wont let me build one :(
#1947 [21:26] <DiskDaemon> Rhapsodyy: How do you intend for this rolling machine to work?
#1948 [21:27] <Rhapsodyy> to make rails
#1949 [21:27] <Joey> I set up my minecraft server recently, but every time I try to connect, it says that it cant reach server. then when i go to the server app thingy, it says warning cant keep up
#1950 [21:27] <Dan> DopeGhoti, do you know how to get java working on Debian
#1951 [21:27] <DiskDaemon> Rhapsodyy: What seems to be the bug?
#1952 [21:27] <DiskDaemon> Joey: Connect to 127.0.0.1
#1953 [21:27] <Joey> okay
#1954 [21:27] <slowfi> I don't think minecraft physics supports rolling, unless you count minecarts
#1955 [21:28] <Rhapsodyy> Have the mats and trying to put them intop crafting table to make it but its not coming up
#1956 [21:28] <DiskDaemon> mats?
#1957 [21:28] <Rhapsodyy> materials
#1958 [21:28] <DiskDaemon> Rhapsodyy: What are you trying to make. A minecart?
#1959 [21:29] <Rhapsodyy> Track
#1960 [21:29] <Rhapsodyy> the rails for carts
#1961 [21:29] <DiskDaemon> Rhapsodyy: Instructions on how to make a track (including crafting table pictures) are at http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Track
#1962 [21:29] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: there is no way that I can do it without rewriting the script. I will do so tomorrow. I am going to do the java one now.
#1963 [21:30] <Rhapsodyy> im using tekkit
#1964 [21:30] <skyboy> ??> Rhapsodyy mods
#1965 [21:30] <funnykiller00> no joy, it let go all the way up to start the game and then went black again
#1966 [21:30] <VoxelHead> Rhapsodyy: (mods) This channel is not a venue for mod support, or support for modded servers. As it is impossible for anybody to know every combination of mods out there, this channel does not assist with unofficial third-party modded content.
#1967 [21:30] <VoxelHead> Rhapsodyy: (mods) For single player mods, contact the mod's creator or try http://tiny.cc/modinstall for general installation instructions. For bukkit help, use #bukkit; you can also search Google for a mod's installation instructions.
#1968 [21:31] <funnykiller00> <diskdaemon> no joy on that either,
#1969 [21:31] <DiskDaemon> funnykiller00: Okay, let's get a crash report for it then
#1970 [21:31] <DiskDaemon> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Crash#How_to_Get_a_Crash_Report
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#1977 [21:45] <funnykiller00> <diskDaemon> the log file was empty once i ran the bat file
#1978 [21:45] <DiskDaemon> funnykiller00: Which method number was that which you used?
#1979 [21:46] <funnykiller00> method 3
#1980 [21:46] <DiskDaemon> funnykiller00: What happened with method 1?
#1981 [21:46] <funnykiller00> it created the log file on method three and was blank
#1982 [21:47] <DiskDaemon> funnykiller00: Please use method 1
#1983 [21:48] <funnykiller00> for some reason it wont open the command window with shift + right click
#1984 [21:48] <DiskDaemon> funnykiller00: First left-click on the background to ensure that no files are currently selected. Then to the shift+right-click
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#1986 [21:49] <funnykiller00> it dosent give me the option to open a command window
#1987 [21:49] <kosta7025575> well I sent mc bans a ticket request
#1988 [21:49] <DiskDaemon> funnykiller00: Okay, we'll do this another way. Where is your minecraft.exe file?
#1989 [21:50] <funnykiller00> it is saved into my documents
#1990 [21:50] <DiskDaemon> funnykiller00: Okay, do you have the explorer window open, that shows your minecraft.exe file?
#1991 [21:51] <funnykiller00> yes
#1992 [21:51] <DiskDaemon> Do you see the path to that location shown at the top of the explorer window?
#1993 [21:51] <funnykiller00> yes
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#1995 [21:51] <DiskDaemon> Click in the empty area to the right of that path, and it will change to text you can copy. Copy that text.
#1996 [21:52] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: Are you trying to create an error report?
#1997 [21:52] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: yep
#1998 [21:52] <Elystus> On that google docs page, there are links to bat files
#1999 [21:52] <kosta7025575> So you guys cant help me at all with my mc bans problem?
#2000 [21:52] <Elystus> kosta7025575: We cannot
#2001 [21:53] <kosta7025575> Do any of you live in the U.S?
#2002 [21:53] <Elystus> I do
#2003 [21:53] <kosta7025575> do you have skype?
#2004 [21:53] <Elystus> yes, but i am scripting some stuff right now
#2005 [21:53] <Elystus> what do you need it for?
#2006 [21:54] <kosta7025575> I thought maybe you can help me with my mc bans problem
#2007 [21:54] <kosta7025575> wait nvm
#2008 [21:54] <xales> kosta7025575: Again, nobody here can help you with mcbans; please stop asking.
#2009 [21:55] <kosta7025575> sorry
#2010 [21:55] <Elystus> kosta7025575: What do you see when you go there?
#2011 [21:55] <funnykiller00> giving me problems there also
#2012 [21:55] <clarjon1> kosta7025575: This is not a Modded Server help room
#2013 [21:55] <clarjon1> kosta7025575: This is for the "Vanilla" server, the one downloaded from minecraft.net
#2014 [21:57] <xales> clarjon1: The issue wasn't running it, but getting unbanned, I think.
#2015 [21:57] <funnykiller00> ok got that file location copied now
#2016 [21:57] <DiskDaemon> funnykiller00: Good. Open your start menu and type: cmd
#2017 [21:57] <clarjon1> xales: either way... lol
#2018 [21:58] <DiskDaemon> There should appear at the top the cmd program. Right-click on that program and choose to run it as administrator
#2019 [22:00] <DiskDaemon> funnykiller00: When you have opened the administrator command prompt, type: "cd " without quotes and with the space, then paste after it that path you copied before
#2020 [22:02] <funnykiller00> ok
#2021 [22:02] <DiskDaemon> funnykiller00: Is the command prompt now in that folder that contains minecraft.exe ?
#2022 [22:03] <funnykiller00> yes
#2023 [22:03] <DiskDaemon> funnykiller00: Good. Now continue on with Method 1, from step 3
#2024 [22:05] <funnykiller00> ok got the report
#2025 [22:05] <DiskDaemon> ??> funnykiller00 pastebin
#2026 [22:05] <VoxelHead> funnykiller00: (pastebin) Pastebin is a service run at http://www.pastebin.com/ which facilitates the sharing of information without flooding IRC channels. Paste your text there, click 'Submit', and give us the URL the site takes you to, and we can see what you have pasted.
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#2028 [22:10] <silver_> how do I play with an xbox controller on the pc version I ave it all hooked up it just wont respond to the game
#2029 [22:10] <DiskDaemon> silver_: I have one of those too. You need to go to the device mananger and use a different driver for it
#2030 [22:11] <silver_> how do I go about doing that
#2031 [22:11] <DiskDaemon> silver_: I did that sometime last year, I have no idea now
#2032 [22:11] <DiskDaemon> silver_: I am using an xbox wireless receiver for the xbox controller though
#2033 [22:12] <silver_> haha thanks though at least im a step in the right direction
#2034 [22:12] <silver_> and i have that also
#2035 [22:12] <funnykiller00> http://pastebin.com/iTz8R24z
#2036 [22:12] <DiskDaemon> silver_: The controller doesn't work with Minecraft though.
#2037 [22:13] <xales> Oh dear.
#2038 [22:13] <funnykiller00> says that it is a java error but here is the info for you http://pastebin.com/iTz8R24z
#2039 [22:13] <xales> funnykiller00: About how old is your computer?
#2040 [22:13] <DiskDaemon> funnykiller00: Thanks for that. The "problematic frame" means your graphics driver needs to be updated
#2041 [22:13] <DiskDaemon> ??> funnykiller00 win/dxdiag
#2042 [22:13] <VoxelHead> funnykiller00: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#2043 [22:13] <VoxelHead> funnykiller00: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#2044 [22:14] <Dan> well it looks like no matter what linux os i get it doesnt want to work for MC
#2045 [22:14] <xales> DiskDaemon: "The vticd.dll file is the UniChrome (Pro) IGP ICD Driver of the VIA/S3G CLE266 / KM400 / KN400 / K8M800 / K8N800 model video cards. " ._.
#2046 [22:14] <xales> Dan: What hypervisor are you using?
#2047 [22:15] <Dan> i dont know i dont know the specs of the main server only what i have
#2048 [22:15] <xales> Dan: You should find out, because it appears the VM software is not configured correctly, or is esoteric, and that is the issue.
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#2050 [22:16] <Dan> well all i know from the host im using OpenVZ
#2051 [22:16] <Dan> i had it working for a min
#2052 [22:16] <xales> uhh...yeah. That could very well be the issue.
#2053 [22:17] <xales> OpenVZ isn't known to work well with things that require any modicum of performance. Especially not game servers.
#2054 [22:18] <xales> It appears that the system is lacking some resource that Java is trying to use. Only OpenVZ does such limitations, because of how it works.
#2055 [22:18] <Jeremy_> I screwed up my minecraft trying to get texture packs. Anyways. I deleted everything except my saves folder (on a recommendation from someone on help). So, how do I get my saved games back on minecraft?
#2056 [22:18] <Scott> In other words, OpenVZ is crap.
#2057 [22:18] <funnykiller00> ok here is that info http://pastebin.com/qvYf1aVN
#2058 [22:18] <xales> Also, be wary of small OpenVZ hosts; many of them are overselling and disappear shortly after taking your money, because they go out of business.
#2059 [22:19] <Scott> ^
#2060 [22:19] <xales> Jeremy_: If you didn't delete the saves folder, you should still have your saves.
#2061 [22:19] <xales> funnykiller00: About how old is your computer?
#2062 [22:19] <DiskDaemon> funnykiller00: Your graphics card has 65 MB of ram. That's nowhere near enough
#2063 [22:19] <Dan> well im going to see if i can change nodes
#2064 [22:19] <DiskDaemon> ??> funnykiller00 minspecs
#2065 [22:19] <VoxelHead> funnykiller00: (minspecs) There is no software magic that can make your hardware meet the minimum specifications that are required by the game.
#2066 [22:19] <xales> Dan: Perhaps change providers to one that doesn't use OpenVZ.
#2067 [22:20] <Jeremy_> hen I open mineraft, nothing is there. My only option is to create a new world. I have a mac by the way
#2068 [22:20] <funnykiller00> so what kind of graphics card do i need to buy
#2069 [22:20] <funnykiller00> any suggestions
#2070 [22:20] <Dan> 512MB would be ideal
#2071 [22:21] <Dan> xales, do you know of one
#2072 [22:21] <DiskDaemon> Jeremy_: Someone at a computer store would be able to help you with that kind of purchasing decision
#2073 [22:21] <Elystus> anyone here got any powershell skills?
#2074 [22:21] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: I'm willing to put my hand up
#2075 [22:21] <Scott> Elystus: switch to bash :D
#2076 [22:21] <xales> Jeremy_: You deleted the save games, then.
#2077 [22:21] <Elystus> I am trying to make the target of a created shortcut: java -Djava.net.preferIPv4Stack=true -Djava.net.preferIPv6Addresses=false -jar minecraft.exe
#2078 [22:21] <Scott> Jeremy_: check the trash folder
#2079 [22:22] <Scott> Dan: I actually work at a hosting company. :P
#2080 [22:22] <Scott> We use Xen, not OpenVZ.
#2081 [22:22] <xales> funnykiller00: You would need one that works with the other hardware in your computer; you should consult a local professional, possiby at a computer store.
#2082 [22:22] <Elystus> how am I able to do this w/o quotation marks
#2083 [22:22] <Dan> Scott, pm me the URL please
#2084 [22:22] <Jeremy_> I sI can see my saves folder, and the names we gave each world with data in them. I just don't know how to reopen them
#2085 [22:22] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: Would the following help? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9701840/how-to-create-a-shortcut-using-powershell-or-cmd
#2086 [22:22] <funnykiller00> alright thanks everyone for your help
#2087 [22:22] <Scott> Dan: https://allgamer.net/minecraft-hosting
#2088 [22:23] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: The problem is this line: $Shortcut.TargetPath = "C:\Program Files (x86)\ColorPix\ColorPix.exe"
#2089 [22:23] <Elystus> It will not allow me to post stuff outside the "'s
#2090 [22:23] <Elystus> "s*
#2091 [22:23] <DiskDaemon> powershell won't?
#2092 [22:23] <xales> Jeremy_: If the saves are in the correct location, then the game should pick them up, unless the metadata became corrupted somehow.
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#2094 [22:24] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: No
#2095 [22:25] <Jeremy_> okay, doesn't sound good. Maybe I deleted a component I shouldn't have, and I still can't get texture packs, even though I have premium membership
#2096 [22:25] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: Not even when you create a separate powershell script called set-shortcut.ps1 and then call it from elsewhere using double quotes?
#2097 [22:25] <Dan> Scott, full VPS server or just MC access cause i want full access to the root
#2098 [22:25] <Scott> Dan: you get root access.
#2099 [22:25] <xales> Jeremy_: You just have to install the texture packs correctly; there are guides readily available for this.
#2100 [22:25] <Scott> it is just setup with mcmyadmin by default
#2101 [22:25] <Scott> you can install a different OS or whatever you want.
#2102 [22:26] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: What do you mean?
#2103 [22:26] <Jeremy_> okay, I will search for better instructions
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#2105 [22:26] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: Please have a read of this first answer http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9701840/how-to-create-a-shortcut-using-powershell-or-cmd#answers-header
#2106 [22:26] <Dan> i hate control panels
#2107 [22:26] <xales> Dan: Then don't use it. :p
#2108 [22:27] * Elystus hits his head on the table
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#2109 [22:27] * Elystus didn't read all the way through
#2109 [22:27] <xales> Anyway.
#2110 [22:27] * xales has to run, be back tomorrow.
#2110 [22:27] <Elystus> cya o/
#2111 [22:27] * DiskDaemon gets cuppa tea
#2111 [22:27] <Scott> Dan: It's just a VPS with a minecraft template. we have many other OS's to pick from.
#2112 [22:31] <Scott> Dan: let me know if you have any questions.
#2113 [22:33] <Dan> i might make the switch so i can run it hold on
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#2115 [22:39] <Dan> Scott, the thing is that to get the same server config from you would cost me twice as much as im paying
#2116 [22:39] <Scott> Well you get what you pay for :P
#2117 [22:40] <Dan> well 90GB of space 1.5tb of bandwidth 2.5 GB of ram for $25 and you are charging 45 so yea
#2118 [22:41] <Dan> ive looked around for cost and the provider im at is the cheapest
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#2120 [22:49] <WTMMMMMMMMMMM> My Target giftcard doesn't work.
#2121 [22:50] <WTMMMMMMMMMMM> It has a balance of fifty dollars, currently.
#2122 [22:50] <DiskDaemon> WTMMMMMMMMMMM: You may need to contact the gift card people to see if you can authorize it for an overseas transaction
#2123 [22:51] <Elystus> lol
#2124 [22:51] * DiskDaemon breathes again
#2124 [22:52] <Elystus> .-. I have got almost everything else working except this damn target part.
#2125 [22:52] <DiskDaemon> start with the simplest script that's needed to create a shortcut, then build up from there
#2126 [22:52] <Elystus> I am
#2127 [22:53] <Elystus> I am just going to make a shortcut script
#2128 [22:53] <Elystus> then a shorcut modifying script
#2129 [22:53] <Elystus> working on the modifying one now.
#2130 [23:00] <skyboy> disk - i had to terminate so i could modify the way Vec3D is handled, but now it's going much more smoothly
#2131 [23:01] <skyboy> it's taking less than na hour per frame! i've had two frames in the last 5 minutes ^_^
#2132 [23:01] <skyboy> ooh, 3
#2133 [23:01] <Scott> DiskDaemon: there's been a change in US law.
#2134 [23:01] <Scott> Gift cards can't be used outside the US anymore.
#2135 [23:01] <skyboy> (64x128x128 TNT)
#2136 [23:04] <DiskDaemon> ahh, too much fraud?
#2137 [23:05] <Scott> Probably terrorist related
#2138 [23:07] <skyboy> funding terrorists with gift cards?
#2139 [23:08] <skyboy> yeah, that seems like the average family thing to do, or something
#2140 [23:08] <Scott> Buy the gift card, provide false information, order bomb making material.
#2141 [23:08] <Scott> I would like to make a smoke bomb.
#2142 [23:08] <skyboy> how many tterrorist atacks have been made against the US in the last 300 years?
#2143 [23:08] <skyboy> 30?
#2144 [23:08] <Scott> You know… the kind that go in 5 gallon buckets and cover city blocks with smoke? :D
#2145 [23:09] <Elystus> What are all the diffrent versions of java. (Jre, jdk,etc
#2146 [23:09] <Elystus> taking a break from the shortcut modifying script.
#2147 [23:10] <DiskDaemon> The jdk is irrelevant for people playing minecraft. Java 6 is preferred for Minecraft because Minecraft is not yet officially updated for Java 7. Because Java 7 is installed by default now though, we don't want to remove that though if at all possible
#2148 [23:11] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: some people only have the jdk installed, so I need to make it include them as well.
#2149 [23:11] <DiskDaemon> The jdk installs to a folder with a highly specific name though, so the jre really shouold be used instead
#2150 [23:12] <Elystus> btw DiskDaemon. If you want to try making the shortcut script, you can. I have no idea what to do.
#2151 [23:12] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: The jdk installs to the same place the jre does
#2152 [23:12] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: oh...
#2153 [23:13] <Elystus> Just looked at the name....
#2154 [23:13] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: jre installs to jre6 or jre6. The jdk installs to jdk1.6.0_33
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#2156 [23:13] <DiskDaemon> jre6 or jre7
#2157 [23:13] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: That would require me to make a script if I were to make it work for jdk as well.
#2158 [23:13] <Elystus> <_<
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#2160 [23:14] <DiskDaemon> Foxus only on jre. That is what people should be using anyway
#2161 [23:15] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: I am thinking of having it tell you to get the jre if no jre files are detected.
#2162 [23:15] <Elystus> I can show you the bat in a moment.
#2163 [23:15] <skyboy> be sure to check the system PATH for java, too
#2164 [23:15] <Elystus> That is later on
#2165 [23:16] <DiskDaemon> skyboy: The path isn't actually set with an installation of jre
#2166 [23:16] <Elystus> This part is just making sure that they have the correct versions of java.
#2167 [23:16] <DiskDaemon> Neither is Java available from the command prompt, with a normal jre installation
#2168 [23:17] <skyboy> disk - it's still useful to verify if it's there; they might not be the standard 10T error generator
#2169 [23:17] <DiskDaemon> If it's a normal installation for their machine, it will always be available at %ProgramFiles%/Java/jre6 or jre7
#2170 [23:17] <DiskDaemon> If it's not a normal installation, it won't be there, and needs to be fixed
#2171 [23:17] <DiskDaemon> (x86) is included as being a non-normal installation :)
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#2173 [23:20] <skyboy> heh, the debug graph is just a big red bar on the left hand side. after only a single frame
#2174 [23:20] <Elystus> In about ten minutes I should have the bat file done and you guys can check over it.
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#2176 [23:24] <skyboy> memory usage is much nicer, though
#2177 [23:24] <skyboy> 175MB of 596MB while in the middle of the block going up
#2178 [23:25] <skyboy> i might be able to get away with reducing it to 300 MB for Xxmm
#2179 [23:25] <skyboy> or Xmm
#2180 [23:25] <skyboy> whatever
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#2183 [23:27] <skyboy> maybe i should make a full-fledged mod. call it MemCraft
#2184 [23:31] <Elystus> This is how it will recognise Java.
#2185 [23:31] <Elystus> http://pastebin.com/6WnqQfTj
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#2187 [23:31] <Elystus> A few things are missing ofc
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#2189 [23:32] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: Where is the "correct" label that it goes to, and what happens when they have both java6 and java7 installed?
#2190 [23:34] <Elystus> Did I forget to do that?
#2191 [23:34] <Elystus> >_>
#2192 [23:34] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: "It is recommended that you have both the 32 bit and 64 bit version of Java on this machine." - really? recommended to have bith 32-bit and 64-bit installed?
#2193 [23:34] <Elystus> yes in most situations it is
#2194 [23:35] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: Isn't 32-bit a bad idea to have installed on a 64-bit OS?
#2195 [23:35] * skyboy watches debate
#2195 [23:35] <Elystus> only if you do not have 64 java
#2196 [23:35] <Elystus> you need 32 bit java in some situations, even if you have a 64 bit os.
#2197 [23:35] <skyboy> like?
#2198 [23:35] <DiskDaemon> Right. So we don't want to give the impression that it's a good idea (in terms of Minecraft) to have the 32-bit one installed
#2199 [23:35] <Elystus> if you have a 32 bit browser
#2200 [23:36] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: What would you like me to put?
#2201 [23:36] <DiskDaemon> How about stating it as: "It is recommended that you have the 64 bit version of Java on this machine."
#2202 [23:37] <Elystus> Okay, it is changed
#2203 [23:37] <DiskDaemon> But hang on, that's the ":32bitrejection" label. Shouldn't the recommendation to install 64-bit only appear if the 64-bit version is not actually installed?
#2204 [23:38] <Elystus> it does ;)
#2205 [23:38] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: I think that the different scenarios need to be written down, and to make sure that each of those scenarios is appropriately handled
#2206 [23:38] <Elystus> Okay, lets map it out
#2207 [23:38] <Elystus> I will just start a new one
#2208 [23:39] <Elystus> I just noticed that it didn't account for multiple versions of java either
#2209 [23:39] <Elystus> :P
#2210 [23:40] <Elystus> I think this is too complex to do in cmd.
#2211 [23:40] <DiskDaemon> If they have an inappropriate java installed, that doesn't matter when they also have the correct java installed. Right?
#2212 [23:40] <Elystus> yes
#2213 [23:40] <DiskDaemon> So instead of checking for what they have, check for what they don't have (and actually need) instead.
#2214 [23:41] <Elystus> So get rid of everything else and just put a if not exist?
#2215 [23:41] <DiskDaemon> That's the easier and more accurate way of doing things
#2216 [23:41] <Elystus> but can't diffrent versions of java conflict?
#2217 [23:42] <Elystus> i.e. having jre6 and jre7
#2218 [23:42] <DiskDaemon> Only if you are relying on the computer system to automatically run java for you
#2219 [23:42] <Elystus> Oh! but we are dicatating what is happening!
#2220 [23:42] <DiskDaemon> dead right
#2221 [23:42] * Elystus forgot about the shortcut part
#2221 [23:43] <Dan> i have both on my computer and i have no problems
#2222 [23:43] <Elystus> Dan: I used to too, but some people apparently have problems.
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#2224 [23:44] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: So you only have two paths to worry about. The %ProgramFiles%\Java\jre6\bin\java one, and the %ProgramFiles%\Java\jre7\bin\java one. Anything else is not appropriate
#2225 [23:44] <mib_qe7heh> OH noes
#2226 [23:45] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: Yea, okay rewriting the batch file now.
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#2228 [23:51] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: If they do not have both jre6 or jre7 do we want to make them install jre7?
#2229 [23:51] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: No, Minecraft works perfectly well with just jre6
#2230 [23:51] <Elystus> Okay, so install java6?
#2231 [23:52] <DiskDaemon> If they have java 6, use that. If they have java 7, use that. If they have neither, install java 7 and use that
#2232 [23:52] <Elystus> Okay thanks. That was what I was asking :0
#2233 [23:52] <Elystus> :)
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#2235 [23:57] <DiskDaemon> The reason for installing java 7 if they don't java either, is that if they install jva 6, they will be asked by web pages to install java 7, so it's best to get that dealt with from the start
#2236 [23:57] <Elystus> Almost done with the outline.
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