#MinecraftHelp > 2012-07-23
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#4 [00:23] <slowfi> that youtube can only play the commercial rather than the content
#5 [00:23] <Phocus> is there a way to rename my ingame name?
#6 [00:24] <Elystus> Phocus: No.
#7 [00:24] <Phocus> so i would have to repurchase it...
#8 [00:24] <Elystus> Yes, name change has been postulated as a possible feature in the future though.
#9 [00:25] <DiskDaemon> yep
#10 [00:25] <DiskDaemon> Perhaps not name change, but connecting multiple named accounts to the same email
#11 [00:26] <Elystus> As of now, it is impossible for them to do a name change without making a new account.
#12 [00:26] <DiskDaemon> If name changing were too easily achieved, that would mean that bans would tend to be ineffective
#13 [00:26] <Elystus> ip bans would be the only effective way.
#14 [00:26] <Phocus> ccould you cancel this account and give me a new one ?
#15 [00:27] <Elystus> and people can change their ip easily enough
#16 [00:27] <Elystus> Phocus: None of us here work for Mojang, and I doubt they would.
#17 [00:27] <Phocus> ook ok
#18 [00:27] <Elystus> I need to get better at C++
#19 [00:27] <DiskDaemon> Phocus: Mojang only give refunds if two accounts were purchased at the same time
#20 [00:27] * Elystus opens his book
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#22 [00:36] <bsauertu> Minecraft crashes after login?
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#24 [00:36] <bsauertu> Can you help
#25 [00:37] <bsauertu> Hello?
#26 [00:37] <bsauertu> Sorry, I'll wait.
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#28 [00:41] <Elystus> bsauertu: What is happening exactly?
#29 [00:41] <Elystus> does the launcher just close?
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#31 [00:48] <bsauertu> Okay, well I open up minecraft, log in, and then it just crashes. I have deleted .minecraft and minecraft, re downloaded and forced update.
#32 [00:48] <bsauertu> Still crashes directly after login.
#33 [00:48] <bsauertu> And an error message comes up in notepad.
#34 [00:50] <Elystus> Can you pastebin the error message please
#35 [00:50] <Elystus> www.pastebin.com
#36 [00:53] <bsauertu> http://pastebin.com/3qZu58c3
#37 [00:54] <DiskDaemon> bsauertu: Are you on a laptop with switchable graphics?
#38 [00:57] <Elystus> sorry, I was doing something...
#39 [00:57] <bsauertu> I am on a laptop but I don't know if I have switchable graphics or not. Another thing is it ran perfectly until today. I downloaded a Mod called MagicLauncher, that installs mods with one click. It worked just fine, so today I went back on it, and minecraft crashed. I deleted all the mods and the magic launcher
#40 [00:57] <bsauertu> but it still keeps crashing
#41 [00:58] <Elystus> The mods messed up the video card drivers most likely
#42 [00:58] <Elystus> ??> bsauertu win/dxdiag
#43 [00:58] <VoxelHead> bsauertu: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#44 [00:58] <VoxelHead> bsauertu: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#45 [00:58] <DiskDaemon> ?? gpu/discrete
#46 [00:58] <VoxelHead> gpu/discrete: Some laptops have 'discrete GPUs', which detect when games and the like are being run, and switch from the weaker GPU (usually Intel) to the strong (usually AMD or NVIDIA). Unfortunately, the mode detection is not foolproof, and Minecraft is often not detected as a graphics-intensive program, even though it is.
#47 [00:58] <VoxelHead> gpu/discrete: Some possible fixes for this are installing a more capable Intel GPU driver, or changing a BIOS setting to always use the better GPU. Details on each of these options can be found at http://bit.ly/ORHfpX
#48 [01:00] <DiskDaemon> bsauertu: You can either update the drivers for the Intel graphics chip in your laptop (less effective solution), or you can setup your laptop so that the better graphics card is always used when the power is plugged in.
#49 [01:03] <bsauertu> Okay, elystus, I am currently doing that and I will post the dxdiag here when I am done.
#50 [01:03] <Elystus> oka y:)
#51 [01:03] <Elystus> okay*
#52 [01:05] <bsauertu> http://pastebin.com/CpF4whrX
#53 [01:05] <bsauertu> That's it.
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#55 [01:07] <Elystus> I believe that this is the latest driver: http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&DwnldID=20775&ProdId=2800&lang=eng&OSVersion=Windows%20Vista%2032*&DownloadType=Drivers
#56 [01:08] <bsauertu> So if I download this Minecraft should work properly?
#57 [01:09] <Elystus> Theortically
#58 [01:09] <DiskDaemon> bsauertu: Minecraft works properly. The issue is that your graphics drivers don't understand what Minecraft is commanding it to do.
#59 [01:09] <Elystus> Theoretically*
#60 [01:09] <bsauertu> Okay. I'll try it
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#62 [01:12] <josh> I can't update my minecraft, it is stuck at 0%
#63 [01:12] <josh> I think firewall has something to do with it
#64 [01:12] <DiskDaemon> If the update doesn't want to complete, it's almost certainly your antivirus program preventing Minecraft from getting the files that it needs. You can temporarily disable your antivirus program and then try again.
#65 [01:12] <josh> how do i do that?
#66 [01:13] <DiskDaemon> what do you have?
#67 [01:13] <josh> AVG
#68 [01:14] <DiskDaemon> http://www.avg.com/ww-en/faq.num-3857
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#70 [01:15] <coolj9584> i have an importnant question
#71 [01:15] <Elystus> Yes?
#72 [01:15] <coolj9584> my inecraft will not load completely
#73 [01:16] <Elystus> What happens?
#74 [01:16] <DiskDaemon> When it's updating?
#75 [01:17] <coolj9584> i login it then asked me if i wanted to update i clicked not now then is says updating minecraft done loading but the bar doesnt fill up all the way
#76 [01:17] <DiskDaemon> If the update doesn't want to complete, it's almost certainly your antivirus program preventing Minecraft from getting the files that it needs. You can temporarily disable your antivirus program and then try again.
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#78 [01:18] <coolj9584> haha i dont know how
#79 [01:18] <Rikairchy> 0.0
#80 [01:20] <DiskDaemon> Well I'm heading down for dinner
#81 [01:20] <DiskDaemon> coolj9584: You may want to find out how :)
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#87 [01:49] <Milbo1> Evening peoples
#88 [01:49] <Milbo1> Anyone around?
#89 [01:50] <Elystus> yes. o/
#90 [01:50] <Milbo1> You use the railcraft mod by chance?
#91 [01:50] <Elystus> No :/
#92 [01:51] <Milbo1> darn. Its ot working for me. Drivin me nuts lol. cant find any info on this issue
#93 [01:51] <CrusaderDeleters> Whew.
#94 [01:51] <CrusaderDeleters> I had a scare right now.
#95 [01:51] <CrusaderDeleters> My computer ran out of disk space, and I thought I was being hacked.
#96 [01:52] <Elystus> lol, nice
#97 [01:53] <CrusaderDeleters> It screws up your runtimes. I thought ram took care of all of that.
#98 [01:53] <Elystus> Its never good to fill a hard drive all the way... as I assume you just learned...
#99 [01:53] <Milbo1> Everything working now?
#100 [01:53] <Elystus> I always leave at least 1/4 left
#101 [01:54] <CrusaderDeleters> I just did.
#102 [01:54] <Rikairchy> clear the TEMP files too
#103 [01:54] <CrusaderDeleters> I had a 500 gig that had 70 gigs already used.
#104 [01:54] <TKGP_DS> when in doubt, FORMAT EVERYTHING
#105 [01:54] <CrusaderDeleters> ._.
#106 [01:54] <Rikairchy> and install debian
#107 [01:54] <Elystus> When in doubt wipe it out?
#108 [01:54] <TKGP_DS> install Biebian
#109 [01:54] <Elystus> .-.
#110 [01:55] <CrusaderDeleters> Am I going insane?
#111 [01:55] <Elystus> no, install win 98 >_>
#112 [01:55] <CrusaderDeleters> I selected everything on my drive, and it came out to be 28 gigs.
#113 [01:55] <Elystus> O.o what ?
#114 [01:55] <CrusaderDeleters> However, when I open my drive, it says over 40 is used.
#115 [01:55] <Elystus> Hidden files?
#116 [01:55] <CrusaderDeleters> No, I have 28 gigs, but it says 38 is used.
#117 [01:55] <CrusaderDeleters> :s
#118 [01:56] <TKGP_DS> kill it with fire
#119 [01:56] <Elystus> what os do you have>
#120 [01:56] <TKGP_DS> and magnets
#121 [01:56] <Elystus> and yes, kill it with fire.
#122 [01:56] <CrusaderDeleters> Windows 7.
#123 [01:56] <Elystus> .-. odd
#124 [01:56] <CrusaderDeleters> It takes up ~50% of the current usage.
#125 [01:56] <TKGP_DS> did you empty the recycle bin? c:
#126 [01:56] <CrusaderDeleters> Yeah, that erased little.
#127 [01:57] <CrusaderDeleters> I got rid of 3 steam games worth ~10gig each, and another game worth 10, also.
#128 [01:57] <CrusaderDeleters> All added to 40.
#129 [01:57] <CrusaderDeleters> But damn. I only have 111 gigs on my main drive. :s
#130 [01:58] <Elystus> I don't think I will run out of space for a while
#131 [01:58] * Elystus has 1.75 tb of space...
#131 [01:58] <Elystus> ._.
#132 [01:58] <TKGP_DS> I have 3
#133 [01:58] <CrusaderDeleters> At least I am now using ~33% of my drive. I am now going to install everything on my secondary drive.
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#135 [01:58] <OwnageHN> how do I disable double tap forward key to sprint?
#136 [01:58] <CrusaderDeleters> In total, ~620.
#137 [01:58] <CrusaderDeleters> Can't.
#138 [01:58] <TKGP_DS> I just delete everything on occassion
#139 [01:58] <TKGP_DS> I don't think you can
#140 [01:59] <CrusaderDeleters> Wait, three gigs? :S
#141 [01:59] <TKGP_DS> tera
#142 [01:59] <TKGP_DS> lol
#143 [01:59] <CrusaderDeleters> I know what you mean. c:
#144 [01:59] <Elystus> I have 12 petaflop >_>
#145 [01:59] * Elystus tries to play it coo
#145 [01:59] <Elystus> cool*
#146 [01:59] <TKGP_DS> oh yeah well I have 512 MB RAM
#147 [01:59] <OwnageHN> What is a mod that is compatible with Smart Moving that allows you to disable double tap forward to sprint, please?
#148 [01:59] <TKGP_DS> get on my level d00d
#149 [01:59] <CrusaderDeleters> I got a wierd error with minecraft after it filled.
#150 [02:00] <Elystus> TKGP_DS: So MLG
#151 [02:00] <CrusaderDeleters> The runtime failed to load a png.
#152 [02:00] <CrusaderDeleters> It then froze halfway through map loading.
#153 [02:00] <Elystus> OwnageHN: I doubt anyone here will know. This channel is for vanilla minecraft support.
#154 [02:00] <TKGP_DS> yeah Elystus, excuse me while I eat this Fatal1ty Gamer Food
#155 [02:00] <CrusaderDeleters> Then my skype signed out.
#156 [02:01] <CrusaderDeleters> I though a hacker was out to get me when skype closed. ._.
#157 [02:01] <TKGP_DS> ._.
#158 [02:01] <TKGP_DS> hackers man
#159 [02:01] * Elystus disconnects from CrusaderDeleters
#159 [02:01] <Elystus> >_>
#160 [02:01] <TKGP_DS> they're everywhere
#161 [02:02] <CrusaderDeleters> I knew someone who hacked a couple of people. :I
#162 [02:02] <CrusaderDeleters> Thank god he never got me.
#163 [02:02] <TKGP_DS> you mean
#164 [02:02] <TKGP_DS> guessed their facebook passwords?
#165 [02:02] <CrusaderDeleters> No.
#166 [02:02] <Elystus> Hacking is difficult, I doubt they actually did it.
#167 [02:03] <CrusaderDeleters> Actual breakins into computers, recovered some passwords.
#168 [02:03] <TKGP_DS> "hack" is terribly misused nowadays
#169 [02:03] <Elystus> ^
#170 [02:03] <CrusaderDeleters> It is.
#171 [02:03] <CrusaderDeleters> (sadtosay)
#172 [02:03] * Elystus goes back to C++
#172 [02:03] <CrusaderDeleters> K, bai coder. C:
#173 [02:03] <Elystus> \o
#174 [02:03] * CrusaderDeleters goes back to... somewhere. ._.
#174 [02:03] <CrusaderDeleters> o/
#175 [02:03] * CrusaderDeleters goes back to fake java'ing.
#175 [02:03] <Elystus> Write hello world....
#176 [02:03] <Elystus> 5,000 times
#177 [02:04] * CrusaderDeleters snickers.
#177 [02:04] <CrusaderDeleters> Try me.
#178 [02:04] <TKGP_DS> 10 print hello world
#179 [02:04] <TKGP_DS> 20 goto 10
#180 [02:04] <TKGP_DS> gg
#181 [02:04] <Elystus> or... or... be a boss and make a java program using C++
#182 [02:04] <Elystus> >_>
#183 [02:04] <CrusaderDeleters> for(x = 0, x < 5000, x++){system.out.println("Hello world");}
#184 [02:05] <Elystus> I need to elarn java at some point...
#185 [02:05] <Elystus> learn*
#186 [02:05] <CrusaderDeleters> not hard.
#187 [02:05] <CrusaderDeleters> C:
#188 [02:05] <Elystus> I know php and C++, java can't be too difficult...
#189 [02:05] <Elystus> ._.
#190 [02:05] <CrusaderDeleters> Php? No. C++? Yes. Java's more like C++.
#191 [02:05] <TKGP_DS> I know CalcBASIC!
#192 [02:05] <Elystus> o/
#193 [02:06] <Elystus> I can create a batch file.
#194 [02:06] <CrusaderDeleters> I heard someone say Java is exactly like JS.
#195 [02:06] <Elystus> .-. wut?
#196 [02:06] * CrusaderDeleters bashes them with a keyboard.
#196 [02:06] <CrusaderDeleters> They said J = JS.
#197 [02:06] <Elystus> Yes, and vbs is exactly the same as C++
#198 [02:06] <TKGP_DS> javascript is a book about coffee right
#199 [02:06] <Elystus> yesh
#200 [02:06] <CrusaderDeleters> I know how to code in VB
#201 [02:07] <Elystus> I made a C++ program to make a VB script...
#202 [02:07] <CrusaderDeleters> Although more of it is placing and dragging.
#203 [02:07] <Elystus> its useless
#204 [02:07] <TKGP_DS> I can edit a .txt
#205 [02:07] * CrusaderDeleters laughs. I am making a server.
#205 [02:07] <Elystus> Guis... I can code yml...
#206 [02:08] <TKGP_DS> making servers is easy you just run minecraft_server.exe
#207 [02:08] <TKGP_DS> duh.
#208 [02:08] * CrusaderDeleters laughs.
#208 [02:08] <CrusaderDeleters> I mean a .jar. C:
#209 [02:08] * Elystus watches CrusaderDeleters's computer melt.
#209 [02:08] <TKGP_DS> brb programming some hypertext
#210 [02:08] <TKGP_DS> plenty of <blink>s
#211 [02:09] <CrusaderDeleters> But no really, I'm in a group of coders to build a new server software.
#212 [02:09] <TKGP_DS> is it awesome?
#213 [02:09] <CrusaderDeleters> It's gonna be.
#214 [02:09] <CrusaderDeleters> It's made NOT for building in creative mode.
#215 [02:09] <TKGP_DS> does it have two "k"s somewhere in the name?
#216 [02:09] <Elystus> CrusaderDeleters: I am guessing this is for minecraft?
#217 [02:10] <Elystus> pukkit?
#218 [02:10] <CrusaderDeleters> Lol.
#219 [02:10] <Elystus> or tekkit?
#220 [02:10] <CrusaderDeleters> No. GGs.
#221 [02:10] <TKGP_DS> SHIT, DROPPED
#222 [02:10] <TKGP_DS> is it called digg
#223 [02:10] <Elystus> CrusaderDeleters: call it "Generic serveer program"
#224 [02:10] <TKGP_DS> because that would be awesome
#225 [02:10] <CrusaderDeleters> It's already aptly named. C:
#226 [02:11] <TKGP_DS> name it minecraft_server.exe
#227 [02:11] <TKGP_DS> .exe
#228 [02:11] <CrusaderDeleters> TKGP, you are just funny. :P
#229 [02:11] <TKGP_DS> I do what I can
#230 [02:11] <CrusaderDeleters> Advertising the server client "minecraft_server.exe"
#231 [02:12] <TKGP_DS> also, can someone tell me what tekkit is?
#232 [02:12] <TKGP_DS> people keep saying it
#233 [02:12] <Elystus> .-. I capitalized a letter somewhere....
#234 [02:12] <CrusaderDeleters> Tekkit's basically for harsh modded servers.
#235 [02:12] <Elystus> crap...
#236 [02:12] <CrusaderDeleters> A player installs tekkit's client modulation and it installs plugins the server want you to use.
#237 [02:12] <TKGP_DS> aaah
#238 [02:12] <TKGP_DS> cool
#239 [02:13] <CrusaderDeleters> I believe that's what it is.
#240 [02:13] <CrusaderDeleters> It's awefully cool.
#241 [02:13] <TKGP_DS> pretty neat
#242 [02:13] <CrusaderDeleters> Great for the quick drag-and-drop modifications and the server configs all the mods for you.
#243 [02:16] <TKGP_DS> that sounds like something the game should just do vanilla
#244 [02:16] <TKGP_DS> modding API when please mojang
#245 [02:16] <Elystus> When is that?
#246 [02:16] <TKGP_DS> probably never
#247 [02:17] <CrusaderDeleters> I doubt they will release it.
#248 [02:17] <Elystus> They will
#249 [02:17] <TKGP_DS> they've been talking about it for like
#250 [02:17] <CrusaderDeleters> Well, tk, the more they add, the longer it will take.
#251 [02:17] <TKGP_DS> years?
#252 [02:17] <Elystus> Its just a matter of time.
#253 [02:17] <TKGP_DS> decades perhaps
#254 [02:17] <CrusaderDeleters> TK, it's been planned for release for over 6 updates.
#255 [02:17] <TKGP_DS> yes I said that
#256 [02:18] <CrusaderDeleters> Couple years.
#257 [02:18] <TKGP_DS> four?
#258 [02:18] <TKGP_DS> five.
#259 [02:18] <Elystus> its been planed since 1939
#260 [02:18] <TKGP_DS> fucking gamestop
#261 [02:18] * AuBot kicked TKGP_DS from #minecrafthelp (Reason: KGP_DS :Please keep it civil.)
#262 [02:19] <Elystus> ....
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#264 [02:19] <TKGP_DS> noooo
#265 [02:19] <CrusaderDeleters> 1.5 years. http://notch.tumblr.com/post/4955141617/the-plan-for-mods
#266 [02:19] * Elystus heads off to bed o/
#266 [02:19] <TKGP_DS> \o
#267 [02:19] <TKGP_DS> \o
#268 [02:19] <CrusaderDeleters> Gnight.
#269 [02:20] <CrusaderDeleters> Since 1.5
#270 [02:20] <CrusaderDeleters> beta.
#271 [02:20] <TKGP_DS> modding API is the duke nukem forever of mojang
#272 [02:21] * CrusaderDeleters laughs.
#272 [02:22] <CrusaderDeleters> Well said.
#273 [02:22] <TKGP_DS> except DNF actually came out :I
#274 [02:23] <CrusaderDeleters> But dnf was planned back in... the late 90's?
#275 [02:24] <TKGP_DS> 60s
#276 [02:24] <TKGP_DS> at /least/
#277 [02:26] <CrusaderDeleters> I liked before 1.6.6. MC actually had a challenge. Glowstone was actualyl worth something back then.
#278 [02:27] <Wug> .. like what
#279 [02:27] <Wug> it wasnt used for anything
#280 [02:27] <CrusaderDeleters> Lighting underwater.
#281 [02:27] <CrusaderDeleters> It was actualyl a nice decor for a light.
#282 [02:27] <TKGP_DS> minecraft was never hard, some things just took a lot longer
#283 [02:27] <CrusaderDeleters> And it's 9-dust need, 1 dust drop made it helluvalot harder to get.
#284 [02:28] <Wug> it makes more selse
#285 [02:28] <Wug> sense*
#286 [02:28] <CrusaderDeleters> Hehe, especially when the ghasts actually did more damage because you weren't cautious back then?
#287 [02:28] <Wug> since it drops anywhere fro 1 to 4
#288 [02:28] <TKGP_DS> man
#289 [02:28] <CrusaderDeleters> 2-4*?
#290 [02:28] <CrusaderDeleters> Never seen it drop 1.
#291 [02:28] <Wug> im pretty sure its 1
#292 [02:28] <TKGP_DS> remember when map-transformation scripts were a big deal?
#293 [02:28] <TKGP_DS> back in indev
#294 [02:29] <CrusaderDeleters> I still like map modifications.
#295 [02:29] <CrusaderDeleters> Like new ore types, new landscapes.
#296 [02:29] <CrusaderDeleters> I always wanted a cliff overlooking a sea.
#297 [02:29] <TKGP_DS> there was a great one that replaced all the trees with trees that were actually interesting
#298 [02:29] <CrusaderDeleters> all the trees with trees?
#299 [02:29] <TKGP_DS> interesting trees
#300 [02:30] <TKGP_DS> there was only one type of tree then :|
#301 [02:30] <TKGP_DS> forester.py
#302 [02:30] <TKGP_DS> great script
#303 [02:31] <TKGP_DS> look it up! it must still be on the forums somewhere
#304 [02:32] <TKGP_DS> I would myself but there's no web on my DS :\
#305 [02:32] <CrusaderDeleters> You are on your NDS?
#306 [02:32] <CrusaderDeleters> XD
#307 [02:32] <TKGP_DS> yes
#308 [02:32] <TKGP_DS> DSLite
#309 [02:33] <TKGP_DS> very classy
#310 [02:33] <CrusaderDeleters> ._. you... are here, on the irc?
#311 [02:33] <CrusaderDeleters> Did you program that yourself?
#312 [02:33] <TKGP_DS> aye
#313 [02:33] <TKGP_DS> nnno
#314 [02:33] <TKGP_DS> it's this old russian client
#315 [02:34] <TKGP_DS> well, "old' in tech years
#316 [02:34] <CrusaderDeleters> ...
#317 [02:34] * CrusaderDeleters is confused.
#317 [02:35] <TKGP_DS> flash cart
#318 [02:35] <TKGP_DS> it's a cart with a microSD slot
#319 [02:35] <TKGP_DS> for loading custom software
#320 [02:35] <CrusaderDeleters> Lol.
#321 [02:36] <TKGP_DS> DS web browser requires RAM expansion
#322 [02:36] <TKGP_DS> which I don't have
#323 [02:36] <CrusaderDeleters> They can't work a simple text sender? :s
#324 [02:36] <CrusaderDeleters> Man, what crappy techware.
#325 [02:36] <TKGP_DS> well, maybe
#326 [02:37] <TKGP_DS> there was an official browser though so I don't know if anyone bothered making one homebrew
#327 [02:37] * CrusaderDeleters gets ram expansion, and uses firefox on it.
#327 [02:38] <TKGP_DS> yeah gl with that bro
#328 [02:38] <TKGP_DS> there's actually a decent content-delivery platform someone built
#329 [02:39] <TKGP_DS> like steam but with more snake clones
#330 [02:39] <CrusaderDeleters> Oh, thanks for reminding me to reinstall steam on my D: drive.
#331 [02:39] <TKGP_DS> any time
#332 [02:40] <TKGP_DS> basically all I use my DS for any more is IRC and this homebrew GBA roguelike port
#333 [02:41] <TKGP_DS> also tetris, mm
#334 [02:41] <TKGP_DS> you can tell I'm pretty hardcore
#335 [02:43] <CrusaderDeleters> I tried to get my GB games to work on my ds. :I
#336 [02:43] <CrusaderDeleters> I ended up irreparably breaking the game.
#337 [02:44] <TKGP_DS> yeah that doesn't work
#338 [02:44] <TKGP_DS> :<
#339 [02:45] <TKGP_DS> you'd think though, the slot is the right shape and all
#340 [02:45] <CrusaderDeleters> There's a nudge on the one corner that doesn't allow it
#341 [02:45] <CrusaderDeleters> Backwards compatability is the easiest thing to make.
#342 [02:46] <CrusaderDeleters> Forwards compatability is within the Operating System itself.
#343 [02:46] <TKGP_DS> how very zen
#344 [02:46] <CrusaderDeleters> Windows manages Forward and Backward swell.
#345 [02:47] <CrusaderDeleters> Most things that run on '95 can run on 7.
#346 [02:48] <TKGP_DS> most things that run on MS-DOS can be run on an MS-DOS emulator
#347 [02:48] <TKGP_DS> like Acid Tetris
#348 [02:49] <TKGP_DS> I tried to run that once, but all the audio was at half-speed or so
#349 [02:49] <TKGP_DS> it was a nightmare
#350 [02:50] <CrusaderDeleters> Lol.
#351 [02:50] <CrusaderDeleters> Well. Imma head to bed.
#352 [02:50] <TKGP_DS> \o
#353 [02:50] <CrusaderDeleters> Stay up any longer, I won't wake till 5PM
#354 [02:50] <CrusaderDeleters> o/
#355 [02:51] <CrusaderDeleters> Take care, and make sure these people get the help they need. (I do my fair share within my minecraft community. :P)
#356 [02:51] <TKGP_DS> I will make as many dumb jokes as necessary, don't you worry
#357 [02:52] <Crusaway> I made dumb jokes that are actually fixing the problem./
#358 [02:52] <TKGP_DS> that sounds like a terrible idea to me
#359 [02:52] <Crusaway> Like if they have a bad version of java, i'd say something like "Set it on fire, then grow a new one."
#360 [02:52] <Crusaway> AKA, reinstall.
#361 [02:52] <TKGP_DS> c:
#362 [02:53] <Crusaway> They still know what I mean. C:
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#365 [02:57] <Guest> Hello?
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#367 [02:57] <TKGP_DS> hello
#368 [02:57] <Guest> Hello?
#369 [02:58] <Guest> I have a problem, but I don't know how to fix it.
#370 [02:58] <Guest_> what is it?
#371 [02:58] <Guest> my MC client is broken
#372 [02:58] <Guest_> what log are you provided with?
#373 [02:58] <Guest_> login data*
#374 [02:58] <Guest> login data?
#375 [02:58] <Guest> uhh
#376 [02:58] <TKGP_DS> broken in what way
#377 [02:58] <Guest_> yeah i need your username and pass.
#378 [02:58] <TKGP_DS> black screen?
#379 [02:58] <Guest_> then i can help.
#380 [02:59] <TKGP_DS> no
#381 [02:59] <Guest> Moses015
#382 [02:59] <Guest_> no what?
#383 [02:59] <Guest> and my password is
#384 [02:59] <Guest> tasha123
#385 [02:59] <Guest_> Thank you
#386 [02:59] <TKGP_DS> no to...
#387 [02:59] <Guest_> your problem will be fixed soon.
#388 [02:59] <TKGP_DS> christ
#389 [02:59] <Guest> okay thanks
#390 [02:59] <TKGP_DS> you guys have the same host
#391 [02:59] <Necrodoom> Guest: you know you got scammed, right?
#392 [02:59] <Guest> like about how long? I need it fixed soon
#393 [02:59] <Guest> me?
#394 [03:00] <Necrodoom> oh, yep
#395 [03:00] <Necrodoom> trolls
#396 [03:00] <TKGP_DS> lol
#397 [03:00] <TKGP_DS> *troll
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#399 [03:03] <Guest_> So I'm making my first railcar system and I want to have multiple stops. So I have my starting location and then the next stop is the first shaft of my mine. I just put down an unpowered powered rail attached to a lever. However, when it stops (because its unpowered) and I pull the lever, it doesn't go anywhere? Why isn't it working? How do I make stops?
#400 [03:04] <Guest_> Sorry, long question.
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#402 [03:05] <TKGP_DS> a cart sitting on an unpowered rail will just sit still when powered because it doesn't have a preference for either direction
#403 [03:05] <TKGP_DS> you can either back it up into a block
#404 [03:06] <TKGP_DS> or stop it on a sloped track
#405 [03:06] <bozo97> hello can u tell me how to build an escape the jail map
#406 [03:07] <TKGP_DS> that's a bit vague
#407 [03:08] <bozo97> can u tell me how to build an escape the jail map
#408 [03:09] <TKGP_DS> you're going to have to be a little more specific than that
#409 [03:10] <bozo97> ???
#410 [03:10] <Necrodoom> bozo97: not the right place to ask
#411 [03:10] <Necrodoom> bozo97: go minecraft forums
#412 [03:11] <TKGP_DS> I don't think anyone can just tell you how to "build a map"
#413 [03:11] <TKGP_DS> too general
#414 [03:11] <bozo97> forums dont tell you how to
#415 [03:11] <Necrodoom> bozo97: ask there
#416 [03:11] <TKGP_DS> you go to creative mode and start placing blocks
#417 [03:11] <Necrodoom> bozo97: people will answer
#418 [03:11] <bozo97> hahahah
#419 [03:12] <bozo97> i need to no how to build the map with all the secret doors and redstone
#420 [03:12] <Necrodoom> bozo97: you are in the wrong place, then
#421 [03:12] <TKGP_DS> youtube has many examples of redstone contraptions
#422 [03:13] <TKGP_DS> forums also of course
#423 [03:13] <TKGP_DS> search bar is your friend
#424 [03:13] <bozo97> i no but none show how to build the map
#425 [03:14] <TKGP_DS> Necrodoom am I missing something here
#426 [03:14] <Necrodoom> bozo97: because you are supposed to build it
#427 [03:14] <Necrodoom> bozo97: not them
#428 [03:14] <Necrodoom> bozo97: its how YOU want it to look
#429 [03:14] <Necrodoom> bozo97: theres no such thing as "escape the jail map"
#430 [03:14] <Necrodoom> its just something someone called it
#431 [03:14] <bozo97> but i dont no how to build a the redstone secret doors and redstone stuff
#432 [03:15] <TKGP_DS> then look up the type of doors you want
#433 [03:15] <TKGP_DS> then build your map around them
#434 [03:17] <bozo97> and some bits how have to throw something down a hole then it activates a door
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#436 [03:17] <Necrodoom> at the bottom of the hole
#437 [03:17] <TKGP_DS> that would be a pressure plate
#438 [03:17] <Necrodoom> you have a wooden pressure plate
#439 [03:17] <sasakue> can someone help me with terrafirmacraft server?
#440 [03:17] <Necrodoom> link redstone to it
#441 [03:17] <bozo97> i dont no how to use redstone
#442 [03:18] <Necrodoom> read the minecraft wiki about redstone
#443 [03:18] <TKGP_DS> hold it in your hand then right click on the ground
#444 [03:19] <bozo97> i dont no how to make it do things
#445 [03:19] <TKGP_DS> there are several handy guides on the wiki and forums
#446 [03:19] <Necrodoom> bozo97: read the minecraft wiki about redstone
#447 [03:19] <TKGP_DS> heck, there's a whole subforum for it
#448 [03:19] <Necrodoom> bozo97: google minecraft wiki redstone
#449 [03:19] <bozo97> i am it doesnt say much
#450 [03:20] <Necrodoom> it does.
#451 [03:35] <slowfi> redstone seems deeply illogical to me
#452 [03:36] <TKGP_DS> unrealistic yes, illogical no
#453 [03:37] <TKGP_DS> it's like a physical embodiment of pure logic :p
#454 [03:37] <slowfi> I don't believe that
#455 [03:39] <TKGP_DS> how so
#456 [03:39] <TKGP_DS> it's completely predictable when you know all the rules
#457 [03:41] <slowfi> then the rules are appallingly unelegant
#458 [03:42] <TKGP_DS> that's a bit of a value judgment you have to admit
#459 [03:42] <TKGP_DS> the only thing that really bothers me about redstone is those stupid BUDs
#460 [03:47] <slowfi> I can't guess how far away redstone elements can/should be in order to affect easch other. it seemas totally adhoc to me, and I can't memorize it
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#462 [03:49] <TKGP_DS> well
#463 [03:49] <TKGP_DS> besides pistons, I think everything else needs a direct source
#464 [03:50] <TKGP_DS> adjacent, that is
#465 [03:50] <TKGP_DS> whether through a powered block, wire, or what-have-you
#466 [03:51] <slowfi> I gave up and copy existing reedstone designs only. and I'm pretty good at writing computer programs
#467 [03:52] <TKGP_DS> it can be a bit confusing
#468 [03:52] <TKGP_DS> I still have to do a double-take at all this wacky new glowstone wiring
#469 [04:03] <DiskDaemon> slowfi: I've done quite a bit of redstone work myself. Is there anything that I can help to expose some information about?
#470 [04:09] <bozo97> how do i make an mutiplayer server
#471 [04:10] <DiskDaemon> By running the minecraft server.
#472 [04:11] <DiskDaemon> bozo97: You can obtain the minecraft server (called Minecraft_Server.exe) from http://www.minecraft.net/download
#473 [04:11] <bozo97> so that people around the world can join
#474 [04:12] <DiskDaemon> bozo97: That can take some setting up of your networking environment. Instructions are at http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Tutorials/Setting_up_a_server
#475 [04:13] <bozo97> how hard is it
#476 [04:14] <DiskDaemon> I'd say that it's at around an intermediate level
#477 [04:18] <DiskDaemon> bozo97: How au fait are you with networking in general?
#478 [04:19] <bozo97> i will do it laterbye
#479 [04:19] * DiskDaemon puts down the Networking for Dummies book
#479 [04:21] <skyboy> au fait?
#480 [04:22] <DiskDaemon> It's a term that means 'how well aquainted are you with this'
#481 [04:22] <skyboy> also, i just spent the last few hours trying to crack an IRC bot that has a Java JavaScript parser that gives you access to native Java classes
#482 [04:23] <DiskDaemon> You're trying to break in to it? If you're probing its capabilities instead then that would be the nicer term, hacking
#483 [04:23] <skyboy> consider how bad javascript is for a moment, then mix it with Java classes that you can't construct with new, but only with the newInstance method
#484 [04:24] <skyboy> interestingly, Java Method instances can actually be invoked by the JS engine; and you can access Java Fields
#485 [04:25] <skyboy> but array access and allocation via new are out of the question
#486 [04:25] <skyboy> also, i was trying to break into it; while one of its programmers was watching
#487 [04:25] <DiskDaemon> I'm an expert JavaScript programmer (badge wearing "Guru of 2010" award winner 'n all) so JavaScript does have its bad parts, which when stayed away from leaves a wonderfully clean and expressive language
#488 [04:25] <TKGP_DS> how white hat of you
#489 [04:26] <skyboy> he'd just applied a few security updates to the engine too, so that may have influenced what i could access
#490 [04:26] <DiskDaemon> Ahh, so you were performing soms penetration tests on it
#491 [04:27] <skyboy> i did finally manage to output two byte UTF8 neww lines, too. but the server just completely ignored it
#492 [04:28] <skyboy> (0xC08D)
#493 [04:28] <skyboy> also, while javascript was formally a nice language for dynamic typing; i believe ActionScript 3.0 has completely overtaken it
#494 [04:29] <TKGP_DS> formerly?
#495 [04:29] <skyboy> uh. yeah.
#496 [04:29] <TKGP_DS> sorry :p
#497 [04:29] <skyboy> it's 4 AM, i'm not exactly picking all the correct words
#498 [04:30] <skyboy> strict typing with dynamic types still permitted, access to ByteArray, int and uint, as well as an up coming C++-equivalent memory official API and access to the GPU with a shader language accross all three platforms plus mobile?
#499 [04:31] <skyboy> granted, google has taken over linux support and the main script engine is being worked on by mozilla instead
#500 [04:33] <skyboy> oh, and threading support. can't forget that; however the API for it is horribly awkward
#501 [04:34] <skyboy> official flash player AS3 engine core: http://hg.mozilla.org/tamarin-redux/ actively being worked on, open source
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#504 [04:53] <Hahehu> Hi guys. If there is anyone who play League of Legends check my new video pls. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtHtwgMZlSQ&feature=plcp
#505 [04:53] <Hahehu> Hi guys. If there is anyone who play League of Legends check my new video pls. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtHtwgMZlSQ&feature=plcp
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#507 [04:54] <TKGP_DS> :|
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#510 [05:11] <TheLollieMan> I bought minecraft on my account thelollieman but never got my premium account the code for purchasing the account is :572b039eea0545e38bd5c5447bdff212
#511 [05:11] <TheLollieMan> I bought minecraft on my account thelollieman but never got my premium account the code for purchasing the account is :572b039eea0545e38bd5c5447bdff212
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#513 [05:11] <TheLollieMan> please help :)
#514 [05:12] <Wug> !paid thelollieman
#515 [05:12] <DiskDaemon> TheLollieMan: Please check your bank account. Do you see a payment for it there?
#516 [05:12] <Wug> looks like ^
#517 [05:12] * DavidNeedsHelp [DavidNeedsHelp@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#518 [05:12] <Wug> banks stop minecraft payments a lot
#519 [05:12] <DavidNeedsHelp> Can someone help me with world guard plugin?
#520 [05:12] <Wug> its by far the most common payment issue
#521 [05:12] <TheLollieMan> on paypal it says ive payed
#522 [05:13] <Wug> DavidNeedsHelp: see #worldguard
#523 [05:13] <DavidNeedsHelp> k
#524 [05:13] <DavidNeedsHelp> k
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#526 [05:13] <TheLollieMan> AuBot?
#527 [05:13] <Wug> aubots a bot
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#529 [05:17] <DavidNeedsHelp> none helped me :L
#530 [05:17] <DiskDaemon> TheLollieMan: Where was it purchased from?
#531 [05:17] <DavidNeedsHelp> with world guard
#532 [05:17] <DiskDaemon> DavidNeedsHelp: That's the best place for assistance with it
#533 [05:17] <Wug> DavidNeedsHelp: read my pm
#534 [05:17] <Wug> its relevant
#535 [05:17] <DavidNeedsHelp> i dont have one wug
#536 [05:17] <Wug> yes you do, from me
#537 [05:17] <DavidNeedsHelp> pc me again
#538 [05:18] <DavidNeedsHelp> if someone can come on my server do it for me much appreciate
#539 [05:18] <DiskDaemon> DavidNeedsHelp: Oh hang on, I see that #worldguard has been consolidated in to #sk89q
#540 [05:18] <DiskDaemon> DavidNeedsHelp: Sorry, no.
#541 [05:18] <DavidNeedsHelp> if some one can pm me the commands
#542 [05:18] <DavidNeedsHelp> for woorld guard it would be faster
#543 [05:19] <GreyVulpine> http://wiki.sk89q.com/wiki/WorldGuard/Commands
#544 [05:19] <TheLollieMan> it was purcased from Australia
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#546 [05:19] <the_king> hello!
#547 [05:19] <TheLollieMan> purchased##
#548 [05:19] <DiskDaemon> TheLollieMan: From an ebay kind of web site?
#549 [05:19] <the_king> Do people have sound issues when playing mc w/ multimc?
#550 [05:19] <the_king> o.o
#551 [05:19] <TheLollieMan> no from minecraft.net
#552 [05:20] <the_king> using multimc
#553 [05:20] <the_king> :)
#554 [05:20] <GreyVulpine> the_king - Never used it
#555 [05:20] <Wug> oh look, its gravy
#556 [05:20] <DiskDaemon> TheLollieMan: Mojang provide this information for you: http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/329541-i-was-premium-now-i-m-not-
#557 [05:20] <Wug> i herd you found a job
#558 [05:20] <GreyVulpine> the_king - Try asking in: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1000645-multimc-31-windows-linux-mac/
#559 [05:20] <GreyVulpine> Wug - Working 3rd shift.
#560 [05:20] <the_king> yeah
#561 [05:20] <Wug> yeah, assumed that :(
#562 [05:20] <the_king> :)
#563 [05:21] <TheLollieMan> ok thanks but i was never premium in the first place?
#564 [05:21] <TheLollieMan> agh ill try Thx
#565 [05:21] <Wug> where? or is that classified
#566 [05:21] <DiskDaemon> TheLollieMan: How long has it been since you purchased?
#567 [05:21] <GreyVulpine> Middle of Nowhere™
#568 [05:22] <Wug> I used to live there
#569 [05:22] <Wug> then I moved to narnia
#570 [05:22] <Wug> ~Wug@pool-96-249-35-254.Narnia.fios.verizon.net
#571 [05:22] <GreyVulpine> <--- PSU blew on my gaming rig over the weekend
#572 [05:22] <Wug> :O collateral damage?
#573 [05:22] <GreyVulpine> I don't know.
#574 [05:22] <GreyVulpine> I really hope not
#575 [05:23] <DiskDaemon> TheLollieMan: This article may be mor relevant for you then http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/329519-when-will-i-receive-my-premium-status-
#576 [05:23] <Wug> blew as in *pufft* or blew as in *bang*?
#577 [05:23] <GreyVulpine> I heard an audible pop
#578 [05:23] <TheLollieMan> ok
#579 [05:23] <Wug> or *fzzzt*
#580 [05:23] <Wug> was there magic smoke? :(
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#582 [05:23] <DavidNeedsHelp> help
#583 [05:24] <DavidNeedsHelp> can i use no-ip for my minecraftn server?
#584 [05:24] <DavidNeedsHelp> insted of using my home ip?
#585 [05:24] <DiskDaemon> It's the escaping of that magic smoke which causes it to not work
#586 [05:24] <Wug> DavidNeedsHelp: yes
#587 [05:24] <GreyVulpine> I could smell the smoke
#588 [05:24] <DavidNeedsHelp> hmm does it require portforwarding?
#589 [05:24] <DavidNeedsHelp> the program?
#590 [05:24] <Wug> DavidNeedsHelp: it always requires port forwarding
#591 [05:24] <Wug> regardless of noip
#592 [05:24] <DavidNeedsHelp> for no-ip?
#593 [05:24] <DavidNeedsHelp> the program?
#594 [05:24] <GreyVulpine> no-ip is the service.
#595 [05:25] <Wug> if by "the program" you mean "the minecraft serveR"
#596 [05:25] <GreyVulpine> http://i.imgur.com/zQEOU.jpg <--- the damage.
#597 [05:25] <DavidNeedsHelp> no the no-ip program
#598 [05:25] <DavidNeedsHelp> does that require any porting?
#599 [05:26] <TheLollieMan> i sent a email to mojang thx BYE
#600 [05:26] <GreyVulpine> DavidNeedsHelp - You mean from: http://www.no-ip.com/ ?
#601 [05:26] <DavidNeedsHelp> YE
#602 [05:26] <DavidNeedsHelp> I gotta dl the program
#603 [05:26] <GreyVulpine> Then yes, you still need to port forward
#604 [05:27] <Wug> oooh
#605 [05:27] <Wug> he means the ddns updating service thingy they use
#606 [05:27] <Wug> no, you shouldnt have to forward that
#607 [05:27] <DavidNeedsHelp> !check kingcraft1.no-ip.org
#608 [05:27] <DavidNeedsHelp> yay
#609 [05:27] <DavidNeedsHelp> it works
#610 [05:27] <Wug> your server cat support 500 players
#611 [05:27] <Wug> the can't*
#612 [05:27] <DavidNeedsHelp> its just because my ip keeps chaing thats a;;]
#613 [05:28] <DavidNeedsHelp> ik ill never have 500 players dw
#614 [05:28] <Wug> the player limit is there mostly to protect the server
#615 [05:28] <Wug> set it to something reasonably
#616 [05:28] <DavidNeedsHelp> 250?
#617 [05:28] <Wug> I can't type tonight
#618 [05:28] <GreyVulpine> How much RAM do you have?
#619 [05:28] <DavidNeedsHelp> i have a good pc
#620 [05:28] <DavidNeedsHelp> 4gb ram
#621 [05:28] <GreyVulpine> Try 50
#622 [05:28] <DavidNeedsHelp> quad core proccesor
#623 [05:28] <DavidNeedsHelp> i think :L
#624 [05:28] <Wug> the best hardware available today won't support more than maybe 150 people
#625 [05:28] <GreyVulpine> Doesn't matter (right now)
#626 [05:28] <DavidNeedsHelp> 150 then?
#627 [05:28] <GreyVulpine> I believe the server is single-threaded still
#628 [05:29] <Wug> unless you have a $20000 computer, 150 is too many
#629 [05:29] <Wug> 75 tops
#630 [05:29] <GreyVulpine> Not going to get 150 on 4 gigs
#631 [05:29] <Thrae> There are some overhead Java stuff that can go multithreaded, but yeah mostly the server is singlethreaded
#632 [05:29] <DavidNeedsHelp> !check kingcraft1.no-ip.org
#633 [05:29] <DavidNeedsHelp> Alrighty
#634 [05:29] <Thrae> DavidNeedsHelp: 40 is pushing it for 4GB
#635 [05:29] <DavidNeedsHelp> nahh
#636 [05:29] <DavidNeedsHelp> my friend has a laptop
#637 [05:29] <DavidNeedsHelp> 4 gb ram
#638 [05:29] <DavidNeedsHelp> hosted over 100+
#639 [05:29] <Wug> the encryption overhead in the upcoming 1.3 update will be mostly confined to threads
#640 [05:30] <Wug> it will still be fairly negligible on all but the most heavily used of servers
#641 [05:30] * GreyVulpine nods
#641 [05:30] <DavidNeedsHelp> can anyone link me to
#642 [05:30] <Thrae> DavidNeedsHelp: That also depends on the operating system it runs and other specs other than just RAM.
#643 [05:30] <DavidNeedsHelp> Color sign plugin?
#644 [05:30] <Wug> or at least, it should be confined to threads
#645 [05:30] <DavidNeedsHelp> Wn 7
#646 [05:30] <DavidNeedsHelp> Windows 7 os
#647 [05:30] <Thrae> I highly doubt your anecdotal evidence.
#648 [05:30] <DavidNeedsHelp> lemme get my spec up
#649 [05:30] <Wug> I designed and implemented the first working version
#650 [05:30] <Thrae> But you're free to believe what you want...
#651 [05:30] <Wug> not sure how its changed since then
#652 [05:31] <GreyVulpine> I'm going to call BS on 100+ people on 4 gigs of RAM
#653 [05:31] <DavidNeedsHelp> my processor is
#654 [05:31] <Wug> on a home internet connection too
#655 [05:31] <DavidNeedsHelp> AMD Phenon II X6
#656 [05:31] <GreyVulpine> Speed?
#657 [05:31] <Wug> DavidNeedsHelp: that would be a 6 core
#658 [05:31] <DavidNeedsHelp> 6 core then
#659 [05:31] <Wug> if its a 1090T, its 3GHx
#660 [05:31] <Wug> if its a 1100T, 3.2
#661 [05:31] <DavidNeedsHelp> 2.6 ghzx
#662 [05:31] <Wug> maybe overclocked, but that chip doesnt overclock well
#663 [05:32] <DavidNeedsHelp> http://gyazo.com/d3f8cbb58ddd9a07b85a46d88e9a5c3f
#664 [05:32] <Thrae> DavidNeedsHelp: Here we go, found it -- http://canihostaminecraftserver.com/ -- put your specs in here
#665 [05:32] <Wug> thats maybe a 1050? I don't magically know all of them off the top of my head
#666 [05:32] <DavidNeedsHelp> http://gyazo.com/d3f8cbb58ddd9a07b85a46d88e9a5c3f
#667 [05:32] <DavidNeedsHelp> my improtant stuff
#668 [05:32] <Wug> I'd stick to 75
#669 [05:32] <Wug> as you discovered, you can set the number to whatever you want
#670 [05:32] <Thrae> DavidNeedsHelp: What's your upload/download?
#671 [05:33] <GreyVulpine> And a speedtest.net?
#672 [05:33] <DavidNeedsHelp> Sk broadband terrible internet
#673 [05:33] <DavidNeedsHelp> at times
#674 [05:33] <DavidNeedsHelp> some times its a mad inernet
#675 [05:33] <Thrae> "Mad internet" like how?
#676 [05:33] <Wug> so your friends server, which might have had 100 slots, probably wouldnt have supported 100
#677 [05:33] <Thrae> 10mbps? 100mbps? 10000mbps?
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#679 [05:34] <DavidNeedsHelp> hah
#680 [05:34] <DavidNeedsHelp> its says i cant run a server pff
#681 [05:34] <Wug> for reference, you can run 5 players per megabit of outgoing bandwidth
#682 [05:35] <Wug> plus or minus
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#684 [05:35] <Thrae> Wug: Same for incoming?
#685 [05:35] <Wug> performance suffers noticably if you pass that threshold by much
#686 [05:35] <miklus> Hi, can someone help me with enderstorage?
#687 [05:35] <Wug> no, its very outgoing-lopsided
#688 [05:35] <Thrae> Ahh
#689 [05:35] <Wug> you can probably do 30 per megabit of incoming
#690 [05:35] <Wug> maybe 50
#691 [05:35] <miklus> How can i make color private on server?
#692 [05:36] <Calinou> "color private"? "enderstorage"?
#693 [05:36] <Wug> miklus: no idea what you mean by that
#694 [05:36] <Thrae> miklus: Is this a modded server? Bukkit?
#695 [05:36] <DavidNeedsHelp> what?
#696 [05:36] <DiskDaemon> miklus: ask the mod/plugin's creator
#697 [05:36] <DavidNeedsHelp> this is a irc
#698 [05:36] <DiskDaemon> :)
#699 [05:36] <miklus> I mean that someone have color blue blue blue and only he can access
#700 [05:37] <Wug> DiskDaemon: xninjad
#701 [05:37] <Thrae> miklus: There's like a bazillion mods and plugins out there, we don't know most of them
#702 [05:37] <Thrae> We just do vanilla Minecraft here, for the most part
#703 [05:37] <miklus> Thanks
#704 [05:37] <miklus> Bye
#705 [05:37] <miklus> Bye
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#707 [05:37] <Wug> DavidNeedsHelp: speedtest.net <-- do a test
#708 [05:37] * DiskDaemon suffered from copy/pasta in a similar way to the questioner's query
#708 [05:37] <DavidNeedsHelp> i did wug
#709 [05:38] <Wug> DavidNeedsHelp: post results
#710 [05:38] <DavidNeedsHelp> k sec
#711 [05:38] <DiskDaemon> The results can be shared from the site
#712 [05:39] <DavidNeedsHelp> my internet is having a bad day
#713 [05:39] <DavidNeedsHelp> http://gyazo.com/1abb15fd180278cc74f78da9312fc724
#714 [05:39] <DavidNeedsHelp> some days my internet good
#715 [05:39] <DavidNeedsHelp> soem days not
#716 [05:39] <GreyVulpine> Ouch!
#717 [05:39] <GreyVulpine> Definitely not going to get 150 on that.
#718 [05:39] <GreyVulpine> Not going to get 10.
#719 [05:40] <DavidNeedsHelp> i can dw
#720 [05:40] <DavidNeedsHelp> i have before
#721 [05:40] <GreyVulpine> Right now, that upload speed isn't.
#722 [05:40] <Wug> I wouldn't set it to more than 10
#723 [05:40] <DavidNeedsHelp> bro dw
#724 [05:40] <DavidNeedsHelp> i can handle it
#725 [05:40] <DavidNeedsHelp> ill get the internet kisd aROUN
#726 [05:41] <DavidNeedsHelp> say if they dont make it faster ill leave
#727 [05:41] <DiskDaemon> This website says no more than 2, based on those numbers. http://canihostaminecraftserver.com/
#728 [05:41] <DavidNeedsHelp> pff
#729 [05:41] <skyboy> dw?
#730 [05:41] <DavidNeedsHelp> dont worry
#731 [05:41] <DavidNeedsHelp> ill call sky up
#732 [05:41] <DavidNeedsHelp> saying its too slow
#733 [05:41] * skyboy coughs
#733 [05:41] <DavidNeedsHelp> threaten to leave
#734 [05:41] <DiskDaemon> don't worry
#735 [05:42] <DiskDaemon> ?? dont/textspeek
#736 [05:42] <DiskDaemon> ?? dont/textspeak
#737 [05:42] <DiskDaemon> ?? dont/tweet
#738 [05:42] <DiskDaemon> That's the one
#739 [05:42] <VoxelHead> dont/tweet: IRC has a very generous limit on the length of its messages. Please, for the sake of our sanity, use complete words, such as 'you', 'one', and 'are', and not 'u', '1', and 'r'.
#740 [05:42] <skyboy> anyway, you're going to pay more for faster internet, or you're not going going to have faster internet
#741 [05:42] <skyboy> that's how those things work
#742 [05:42] <DavidNeedsHelp> nah i wiont pay
#743 [05:42] <DavidNeedsHelp> they will do for free
#744 [05:42] <skyboy> then you won't get
#745 [05:43] <DavidNeedsHelp> since im already paying
#746 [05:43] <DavidNeedsHelp> they shud speed the mofo up
#747 [05:43] <DavidNeedsHelp> im not paying for a slow internet
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#749 [05:43] <jamietech> lol
#750 [05:43] <skyboy> do we have a factoid about "you get what you pay fort" ?
#751 [05:44] <jamietech> AFAIK you're in Britain and you pay good money for good internet
#752 [05:44] <jamietech> you have to *
#753 [05:44] <DavidNeedsHelp> me being a harcore gamer
#754 [05:44] <DavidNeedsHelp> i dont want slow internet
#755 [05:44] <GreyVulpine> And when they ask why you need a faster upload...?
#756 [05:44] <jamietech> Unfortunately this is the Minecraft help chan, not the complain about internet channel :C
#757 [05:44] <DavidNeedsHelp> because im website hostin
#758 [05:44] <DavidNeedsHelp> etc
#759 [05:44] <DavidNeedsHelp> sorted
#760 [05:45] <skyboy> i'll complain about my interest rate then
#761 [05:45] <DavidNeedsHelp> do that
#762 [05:45] <DavidNeedsHelp> say u want it sped up
#763 [05:45] <DavidNeedsHelp> threaten to leave
#764 [05:45] <skyboy> i get 1/25,000th of a percent per month.
#765 [05:45] <DavidNeedsHelp> they obv want u to stay at all costs
#766 [05:45] <jamietech> ?? dont/tweet
#767 [05:45] <VoxelHead> dont/tweet: IRC has a very generous limit on the length of its messages. Please, for the sake of our sanity, use complete words, such as 'you', 'one', and 'are', and not 'u', '1', and 'r'.
#768 [05:45] <skyboy> you have no idea how the world works, david
#769 [05:46] <skyboy> they're not going to throw free things at you.
#770 [05:46] <DavidNeedsHelp> my fried did it with his intrnet
#771 [05:46] <DavidNeedsHelp> there not throwing tings
#772 [05:46] <DavidNeedsHelp> there just speeding it up
#773 [05:46] <jamietech> im going baack to coding i can't handle this... uh... yeah.
#774 [05:46] <skyboy> they're going to expect you to pay for it, or they might follow through on your threats and cut your service
#775 [05:46] <skyboy> it's been done before.
#776 [05:46] <GreyVulpine> The thing is, most home broadband services have a clause in the terms of service. If you're hosting something, they'll drop you faster than you can blink
#777 [05:46] <skyboy> stop being arrogant. you're one out of several million customers, your money is nothing compared to everyone else
#778 [05:48] <DavidNeedsHelp> meh
#779 [05:48] <DavidNeedsHelp> i can deal with it
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#782 [05:51] <skyboy> so anyway, my bank's monthly interest rate is 0.004%. how's everyone else's?
#783 [05:51] <Joey> My minecraft got messed up and I had to delete it and didn't have a backup, when I try to login it will freeze after a moment of downloading all the packages. What should I do?
#784 [05:52] <GreyVulpine> Does it stop on a specific file Joey?
#785 [05:52] <DiskDaemon> If the update doesn't want to complete, it's almost certainly your antivirus program preventing Minecraft from getting the files that it needs. You can temporarily disable your antivirus program and then try again.
#786 [05:52] <Joey> It stops on minecraft.jar
#787 [05:52] <skyboy> do you have AVG?
#788 [05:52] <Joey> Yes.
#789 [05:52] <skyboy> turn off the link scanner module
#790 [05:53] <Joey> I'll try that.
#791 [05:56] <Joey> That worked... Thank you very much. =)
#792 [05:56] <DiskDaemon> You're welcome. It's quite the common issue.
#793 [05:57] <skyboy> blame AVG
#794 [05:57] <skyboy> then blame mincrosoft, just because
#795 [05:57] <Wug> no, blame apple
#796 [05:58] <Wug> its probably because of their patent trolling
#797 [05:58] <skyboy> good point
#798 [05:58] * skyboy shakes fist at apple
#798 [05:58] * Wug shakes skyboy at apple
#798 [05:58] * Andrio|TopGear shakes apple at Wug.
#798 [05:59] * GreyVulpine wugs Wug.
#798 [05:59] <skyboy> no one else going to share their bank's interest rate?
#799 [06:00] <Joey> Myne's 200%
#800 [06:00] * Andrio|TopGear blames Microsoft, AVG and Apple.
#800 [06:00] <TheNoodle> 13%
#801 [06:00] <skyboy> monthly, TheNoodle?
#802 [06:00] <TheNoodle> but that's on a savings account
#803 [06:00] <TheNoodle> mmhm
#804 [06:00] <skyboy> wow.
#805 [06:00] <Wug> 13% lol
#806 [06:00] <TheNoodle> something like 2.3% on transaction accounts
#807 [06:00] <DiskDaemon> I get 5.7% on a 12 year term deposit is generous around these parts
#808 [06:00] <Wug> you sure you dont mean 1.3%
#809 [06:01] <TheNoodle> Nope ^_^
#810 [06:01] <TheNoodle> I have an account cba dropped quite a while ago, the shit side is the max payout is on 6k
#811 [06:01] <skyboy> my savings account gets 0.004% monthly, TheNoodle.
#812 [06:01] <Wug> TheNoodle: is that monthly
#813 [06:02] <TheNoodle> yes.
#814 [06:02] <Wug> no its not
#815 [06:02] <TheNoodle> skyboy, can you take money out of that account?
#816 [06:02] <skyboy> yes
#817 [06:02] <Wug> your money would quadruple every year
#818 [06:02] <TheNoodle> I can't.
#819 [06:02] <skyboy> i intend to move to a credit union
#820 [06:02] <TheNoodle> Wug, again, only to 6k.
#821 [06:02] <Wug> the world economy would be bankrupt paying for your interest rate after like 30 years
#822 [06:02] <skyboy> wug - it's capped at 6K and he can't take any out, apparently
#823 [06:03] <Wug> thats slightly more reasonable
#824 [06:03] <skyboy> so i'd call that a savigns bond, not a savings account
#825 [06:03] <TheNoodle> I can take money out, but I don't get the interest :p
#826 [06:03] <Wug> I was about to say
#827 [06:03] <Wug> after 30 years, the interest on your original deposit would be
#828 [06:04] <Wug> 1,283,038,398,467,185,225,963%
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#830 [06:04] <skyboy> wug - unless it's simple interest
#831 [06:05] <Wug> I dont know of any financial institutions that use simple interest on any sort of savings account
#832 [06:06] <skyboy> well, at 13% monthly, simple interest would probably be more appealing
#833 [06:07] <skyboy> to them, that is
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#840 [07:05] <Silent> What IS Mindcrack, it's all I see on the Survival Server's forum :S
#841 [07:06] <DiskDaemon> It's a reddit let's play about minecraft
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#843 [07:07] <DavidNeedsHelp> Um can anyone come on my server and do my world guard?
#844 [07:07] <DavidNeedsHelp> im having issues with it
#845 [07:07] <DiskDaemon> Silent: Go to the reddit.com/r/mindcrack/ page and on the RHS you will see the description. "A fan-made community for the Mindcrack Let's Play brand and community, including the Mindcrack Server as well as Fan Server run by GuudeBoulderfist."
#846 [07:07] <DavidNeedsHelp> i can't set the region to stop people from griefing
#847 [07:07] <Necrodoom> mindcrack?
#848 [07:07] <DiskDaemon> DavidNeedsHelp: Sorry, we don't help with modded servers here.
#849 [07:08] <DavidNeedsHelp> modded?
#850 [07:08] <Necrodoom> bukkit servers#
#851 [07:08] <Necrodoom> DavidNeedsHelp: ask on #bukkit
#852 [07:08] <Necrodoom> DavidNeedsHelp: ask on #bukkit
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#854 [07:08] <DiskDaemon> DavidNeedsHelp: See the #sk89q channel for world guard support
#855 [07:09] <DiskDaemon> The #worldguard channel topic says that everything in regards to worldguard has moved over to #sk89q noe
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#858 [07:13] <Silent> DiskDaemon: Hm.
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#860 [07:15] <batlecruiser> !
#861 [07:15] <Silent> ?
#862 [07:16] <batlecruiser> minecraft marche pu
#863 [07:16] <Silent> DiskDaemon: I still don't get it D:
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#865 [07:17] <DiskDaemon> Used to chop wood-related
#866 [07:17] <DiskDaemon> blocks faster than by hand.
#867 [07:17] <batlecruiser> french?
#868 [07:17] <DiskDaemon> wrong screen...
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#870 [07:18] <DiskDaemon> Silent: What would you like to know about Mindcrack?
#871 [07:18] <Silent> Something, right now I don't understand what's special about it.
#872 [07:18] <Silent> It just looks like normal Minecraft to me.
#873 [07:19] <batlecruiser> je arrive pas a lancer mon minecraft
#874 [07:19] <Necrodoom> Silent: isnt mindcrack a server?
#875 [07:19] <Silent> Apparently there are heaps of them.
#876 [07:19] <Necrodoom> oh nvm
#877 [07:19] <Necrodoom> mindcrack is a lets play
#878 [07:20] <batlecruiser> speack french?
#879 [07:20] <DiskDaemon> Silent: The mindcrack server is a special place for people who have already made themselves well known via their own let's play videos.
#880 [07:20] <DiskDaemon> It's a celebrity server, in other words
#881 [07:20] <DiskDaemon> batlecruiser: Sorry no. English is the language mostly used to provide assistance in here. How can we help?
#882 [07:20] <Silent> Oh those.
#883 [07:21] <Silent> I guess I have a predetermined hate towards those kind of things.
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#886 [07:40] <libraryaddict> What disadvantages are we gaining from ssp basically becoming smp?
#887 [07:41] <DiskDaemon> mod compatibility?
#888 [07:42] <DiskDaemon> More difficult mob fights, due to multiplayer lag
#889 [07:42] <libraryaddict> Hmm
#890 [07:43] <libraryaddict> Im refering to if you want to play your own ssp world
#891 [07:43] <libraryaddict> I doubt there would be lag
#892 [07:43] <Morrolan> Performance will get slightly worse.
#893 [07:44] <Morrolan> However, they'll hopefully work on that, so in the end there shouldn't be any disadvantages at all.
#894 [07:44] <DiskDaemon> I'm using the wrong term I suspect, yeah - performance.
#895 [07:44] <libraryaddict> They are working with Notch's code and java :\
#896 [07:44] <libraryaddict> Ah wells
#897 [07:45] <DiskDaemon> Time to get the latest snapshot and give it a go with things. Harder creepers. Hrm. http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Version_history/Development_versions#Minecraft_1.3_Snapshots
#898 [07:45] <libraryaddict> fps would be more stable however right?
#899 [07:46] <Morrolan> If you harvest a big wheat farm or similar then FPS will still take a hit.
#900 [07:47] <Morrolan> Huh, "Added Fullscreen mode" is, according to http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Version_history/Development_versions#Minecraft_1.3_Snapshots , a change.
#901 [07:47] <TheNoodle> You can now set fullscreen to be always on in the settings
#902 [07:47] <Morrolan> Ah, okay.
#903 [07:53] <DiskDaemon> Yes - I can set fullscreen by default now. It's about time :)
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#905 [07:59] <tyteen4a03> Morrolan: it might be better to rephrase that as "Fullscreen Mode setting now persists"
#906 [08:00] <Morrolan> Something along those lines would be more descriptive, yea.
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#908 [08:10] <Tokyx> Hi
#909 [08:10] <Tokyx> Can I have help .?
#910 [08:10] <GreyVulpine> With?
#911 [08:11] <DiskDaemon> Minecraft hopefully
#912 [08:11] <GreyVulpine> ?? snapshot
#913 [08:11] <VoxelHead> snapshot: Latest snapshot is http://assets.minecraft.net/12w24a/minecraft.jar
#914 [08:12] <GreyVulpine> ??~ snapshot|Latest snapshot is http://assets.minecraft.net/12w30b/minecraft.jar
#915 [08:12] <Tokyx> I have buy minecraf
#916 [08:12] <Tokyx> minecraft*
#917 [08:12] <GreyVulpine> Great!
#918 [08:12] <Tokyx> But...
#919 [08:12] <DiskDaemon> You would like to know when you will receive premium status?
#920 [08:12] <GreyVulpine> Do you have a problem running it?
#921 [08:13] <Tokyx> My username on minecraft.net is "tokyx" and I would to have "Tokyx"
#922 [08:13] <GreyVulpine> Unfortunately, it's not possible to change usernames.
#923 [08:13] <Tokyx> I can't send an email to the support ?
#924 [08:14] <GreyVulpine> Support will tell you the same thing
#925 [08:14] <DiskDaemon> You can, but it takes 2 months for a reply, and the answer will be no
#926 [08:14] <GreyVulpine> http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/329525-can-i-change-my-username-
#927 [08:14] <Tokyx> ok, thank you ;)
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#929 [08:15] <DiskDaemon> Is there much of a minecraft gaming community at the university of tampere? ... dammit. he's gone
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#931 [08:16] * GreyVulpine snrks
#931 [08:17] <GreyVulpine> ?? snapshot
#932 [08:17] <VoxelHead> snapshot: Latest snapshot is http://assets.minecraft.net/12w30b/minecraft.jar
#933 [08:17] <Calinou> 12w30b?
#934 [08:17] <Calinou> O_o
#935 [08:17] <Calinou> it actually exists and is not a 404
#936 [08:17] * GreyVulpine nods
#936 [08:18] * Calinou craftitms
#936 [08:18] <Calinou> (minetest reference :p)
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#939 [08:25] <jay_de_haan> help
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#941 [08:27] <Necrodoom> jay_de_haan: ?
#942 [08:27] <jay_de_haan> i have downloaded an minecraft account and java but it says that i cant log in
#943 [08:28] <jay_de_haan> what should i do
#944 [08:28] <jay_de_haan> trol
#945 [08:28] <DiskDaemon> jay_de_haan: What is the full error message?
#946 [08:29] <jay_de_haan> Bad video card drivers! ----------------------- Minecraft was unable to start because it failed to find an accelerated OpenGL mode. This can usually be fixed by updating the video card drivers. --- BEGIN ERROR REPORT 7fe0271 -------- Generated 23-7-12 14:29 Minecraft: Minecraft 1.2.5 OS: Windows 7 (x86) version 6.1 Java: 1.7.0_05, Oracle Corporation VM: Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (mixed mode), Orac
#947 [08:29] <DiskDaemon> ??> jay_de_haan pastebin
#948 [08:29] <VoxelHead> jay_de_haan: (pastebin) Pastebin is a service run at http://www.pastebin.com/ which facilitates the sharing of information without flooding IRC channels. Paste your text there, click 'Submit', and give us the URL the site takes you to, and we can see what you have pasted.
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#950 [08:30] <jay_de_haan> what?
#951 [08:30] <Morrolan> Read what VoxelHead said.
#952 [08:31] <TKGP> lol
#953 [08:31] <Rikairchy> very carefully
#954 [08:31] <skipinrap> I placed some blocks in the wrong spot and now I can't delete them
#955 [08:31] <DiskDaemon> jay_de_haan: Please use pastebin.com for large amounts of text, so that we can more easily see them
#956 [08:31] <jay_de_haan> i don't know how to work
#957 [08:31] <Rikairchy> go to pastebin.com
#958 [08:31] <jay_de_haan> it;s works*
#959 [08:31] <DiskDaemon> skipinrap: A server op should be able to fix that for you
#960 [08:32] <Rikairchy> paste teh text
#961 [08:32] <Rikairchy> click submit
#962 [08:32] <Rikairchy> copy/paste the URL into here
#963 [08:32] <Necrodoom> jay_de_haan: what do you mean you downloaded a minecraft account?
#964 [08:32] <skipinrap> diskdemon: what's a server op?
#965 [08:32] <Necrodoom> skipinrap: are you playing on a server?
#966 [08:32] <Morrolan> Server administrator.
#967 [08:32] <jay_de_haan> http://pastebin.com/1vX5Pmxp
#968 [08:32] <skipinrap> no, home computer
#969 [08:32] <DiskDaemon> skipinrap: Are the blocks that you placed in singleplayer or multiplayer?
#970 [08:33] <skipinrap> singleplayer
#971 [08:33] <Rikairchy> are they bedrock?
#972 [08:33] <DiskDaemon> skipinrap: What blocks did you place?
#973 [08:33] <jay_de_haan> how do i do that
#974 [08:33] <skipinrap> no, glass and wooden planks
#975 [08:33] <Morrolan> Try to remove them from a different side.
#976 [08:33] <Morrolan> Also, restarting Minecraft might be worth a shot.
#977 [08:34] <DiskDaemon> jay_de_haan: We cannot help you if you cannot follow instructions
#978 [08:34] <skipinrap> no i cant morr
#979 [08:34] <GreyVulpine> ??> jay_de_haan win/dxdiag
#980 [08:34] <VoxelHead> jay_de_haan: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#981 [08:34] <VoxelHead> jay_de_haan: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
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#983 [08:34] <skipinrap> We tried restarting, but that didn't work either
#984 [08:35] <Rikairchy> skipinrap, make tnt
#985 [08:35] <Rikairchy> :3
#986 [08:35] <skipinrap> We just purchased the full version game yesterday, we've had no problems like this before
#987 [08:35] <donkki43> hellos
#988 [08:36] <skipinrap> no i cant because ill destroy my other progress because im making itin a village
#989 [08:36] <Rikairchy> skipinrap: do what i did
#990 [08:36] <Rikairchy> http://puu.sh/Kzdt
#991 [08:36] <DiskDaemon> skipinrap: is this on the xbox, mobile device, or a pc/linux/mac machine?
#992 [08:37] <skipinrap> pc
#993 [08:37] <donkki43> I want to know how to get my account minecraft who was lost and all alone imigrée
#994 [08:37] <Rikairchy> do you know the password?
#995 [08:37] <skipinrap> what will the site do?
#996 [08:37] <skipinrap> yes
#997 [08:37] <Rikairchy> donkki43: do you know the password?
#998 [08:37] <DiskDaemon> donkki43: I'm sorry, the second half of what you said didn't make much sense.
#999 [08:37] <jay_de_haan> fuck you assholes ya dont know shit about this freakin laptop ya piece a shit
#1000 [08:37] * AuBot kicked jay_de_haan from #minecrafthelp (Reason: ay_de_haan :Please keep it civil.)
#1001 [08:38] <Rikairchy> what a not nice person.
#1002 [08:38] <skipinrap> no need of that language on here
#1003 [08:38] <skipinrap> rikairchy: what will the site do?
#1004 [08:39] <Rikairchy> its a link to a picture that i took
#1005 [08:39] <donkki43> excuse me I'm not trying to get by English
#1006 [08:39] <DiskDaemon> ??> skipinrap mcedit
#1007 [08:39] <VoxelHead> skipinrap: (mcedit) https://github.com/mcedit/mcedit/downloads
#1008 [08:39] <DiskDaemon> mcedit is one solution, though it can be a bit heavy handed at times
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#1010 [08:40] <donkki43> Its says my name is not and when trying to log mojang has told me that I have my imigre quoting another he tells me has already Quil Was imigrée
#1011 [08:41] <skipinrap> what does mcedit do?
#1012 [08:41] <Rikairchy> ohh
#1013 [08:41] <Rikairchy> i know what you're saying
#1014 [08:41] <Rikairchy> donkki43
#1015 [08:41] <donkki43> oui
#1016 [08:42] <Rikairchy> log in with the email address you used when you registered minecraft
#1017 [08:42] <Rikairchy> and the same password
#1018 [08:42] <skipinrap> voxelhead: what does mcedit do?
#1019 [08:42] <Rikairchy> VoxelHead is a bot
#1020 [08:43] <Rikairchy> MCEdit is a minecraft world editing tool
#1021 [08:43] <Soren_Berthelsen> Can someone help me? When I started up my Minecraft I decided to "Force Update" it so I got a clean Minecraft. But now every time I start up Minecraft it is stuck on the "Downloading Packages" thing. I've tried to find answers online but none of the solutions work! Please help :(
#1022 [08:43] <skipinrap> which one should I download, ther's several on the site
#1023 [08:43] <Morrolan> Depends on your operating system.
#1024 [08:44] <skipinrap> vista
#1025 [08:44] <Morrolan> If on Windows, grab MCEdit-0.1.1.win32.zip, if on OSX, grab MCEdit-0.1.1.macosx-10_4-x86_64.zip
#1026 [08:44] <DiskDaemon> If the update doesn't want to complete, it's almost certainly your antivirus program preventing Minecraft from getting the files that it needs. You can temporarily disable your antivirus program and then try again.
#1027 [08:44] <Morrolan> Soren_Berthelsen - If you're using AVG, then disable AVG's linkscanner module.
#1028 [08:44] <Soren_Berthelsen> I've tried that but I'll go ahead and try it again just to see if it works
#1029 [08:45] <donkki43> I already try all that was on formur and told me the same thing that my account there, so I is not I imigrée my account with my co adress says his log and found no time fiedl login and when essayde of recovered my password and my address I said that there is nothing you could tell me if I do a beug itself not to disgust
#1030 [08:45] <Rikairchy> yeah you lost me
#1031 [08:47] <skipinrap> OK I downloaded the mcedit what now?
#1032 [08:47] <Necrodoom> donkki43: what language you speak?
#1033 [08:47] <donkki43> frenche
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#1035 [08:47] <Soren_Berthelsen> The Anti-Virus thing didn't work :(
#1036 [08:47] <Soren_Berthelsen> It reached 2% and froze again
#1037 [08:48] <skipinrap> Sorry, gotta go. Will try again later, thanks for the info
#1038 [08:48] <DiskDaemon> Soren_Berthelsen: Are you on a school or business network connection?
#1039 [08:49] <Soren_Berthelsen> No I'm in my home and we have very decent internet.
#1040 [08:49] <donkki43> I speak French
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#1042 [08:50] <DiskDaemon> That's good, so it's not likely that you're being blocked access. That you get to 2% means that some of the files have downloaded, but for some reason you aren't being allowed to get more of them.
#1043 [08:50] <Soren_Berthelsen> Sometimes it goes to 40% and other times it just goes to 2% like now
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#1045 [08:51] <DiskDaemon> That stinks to high-heaven of being caused by an antivirus program of some kind. That's the same behaviour we get from others
#1046 [08:52] <Soren_Berthelsen> The only Anti-Virus Program I have running is AVG and I did what was suggested before but it didn't work..
#1047 [08:52] <Soren_Berthelsen> Can I (and is it safe to) completely shut down AVG and try again?
#1048 [08:53] <donkki43> Can someone help me
#1049 [08:54] <clarjon1> Soren_Berthelsen: yes
#1050 [08:54] <clarjon1> Soren_Berthelsen: AVG causes so many problems.
#1051 [08:55] <Soren_Berthelsen> How do I do that?
#1052 [08:56] <donkki43> How do I do that?
#1053 [08:56] <donkki43> esque mojang has a telephone number for europe?
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#1055 [08:59] <picklejuice290> i cant tell if i bought the game or not
#1056 [08:59] <SinZ> picklejuice290: username?
#1057 [09:00] <picklejuice290> its picklejuice290
#1058 [09:00] <SinZ> !paid picklejuice290
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#1060 [09:01] <donkki43> esque mojang has a telephone number for europe
#1061 [09:04] <donkki43> How puije recupers minecraft my account which was lost my mojang
#1062 [09:04] <donkki43> How puije recupers minecraft my account which was lost my mojang
#1063 [09:05] <TheNoodle> Nope
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#1065 [09:07] <donkki43> Error! Your Minecraft account has already been migrated to a Mojang account. Go to the log in page and use your e-mail address to login
#1066 [09:07] <Necrodoom> donkki43: use your email instead of username
#1067 [09:07] <Necrodoom> donkki43: and login on mojang.com
#1068 [09:09] <Fakerok> Hi, and where you need to do to talk to # Minecraft?
#1069 [09:10] <Fakerok> Hi, as you need to do to talk to # Minecraft?
#1070 [09:10] <DiskDaemon> ?? Fakerok irc
#1071 [09:10] <Andrio> Fakerok, you need to register your nickname to talk in #minecraft.
#1072 [09:11] <Andrio> ??> Fakerok irc
#1073 [09:11] <DiskDaemon> ??> Fakerok irc
#1074 [09:11] <VoxelHead> Fakerok: (irc) For IRC help, you should ask in the channel #help - you can get there using the command "/join #help"
#1075 [09:11] <VoxelHead> Fakerok: (irc) If you can't talk in #minecraft ("Cannot send to channel") you must register your IRC nickname, using the command "/msg NickServ REGISTER password email". Remember to use a valid email. Go to #help if you need further assistance with this
#1076 [09:11] <Andrio> jinx
#1077 [09:11] <DiskDaemon> Andrio: ninja'd :)
#1078 [09:11] <Fakerok> Okay
#1079 [09:11] <Andrio> It really helps when you get the triggers right, doesn't it? :)
#1080 [09:12] <Fakerok> Thanks to all
#1081 [09:12] <Andrio> No problem.
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#1083 [09:12] <donkki43> I already tried my its not me who immigrated as to any word essay jai passes ymail address and it works all day not when I log in with an account he told me my account imigrée imige so when I said it is account and already imigré
#1084 [09:12] <picklejuice290> have i purchased the game?
#1085 [09:13] <DiskDaemon> picklejuice290: Has your bank account been charged?
#1086 [09:13] <picklejuice290> not sure
#1087 [09:13] <picklejuice290> how do i tell
#1088 [09:13] <DiskDaemon> ?paid picklejuice290
#1089 [09:14] <DiskDaemon> picklejuice290: You check your bank account records
#1090 [09:14] <Fakerok> How do I buy the game if I live in Russia?
#1091 [09:14] <Andrio> DiskDaemon, you all right?
#1092 [09:14] <DiskDaemon> Fakerok: You buy it via minecraft.net
#1093 [09:14] <Fakerok> And what to pay?
#1094 [09:14] <Fakerok> how do I get a throw off
#1095 [09:15] <DiskDaemon> I'm ready for bed, that's for sure ;)
#1096 [09:15] <DiskDaemon> I don't know what you mean with "throw off"
#1097 [09:16] <Fakerok> Well, how do I transfer money to minecraft.net?
#1098 [09:17] <DiskDaemon> Ahh. You would use a credit card or paypal to pay for the game.
#1099 [09:17] <Fakerok> Web Money?
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#1101 [09:18] <DiskDaemon> I guess that paypal could be considered web money
#1102 [09:18] <picklejuice290> it says i bought it but it isnt working
#1103 [09:19] <SinZ> !paid picklejuice290
#1104 [09:19] <Fakerok> After I give the money Webmoney
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#1106 [09:19] <DiskDaemon> picklejuice290: Please read this http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/329519-when-will-i-receive-my-premium-status-
#1107 [09:19] <DavidNeedsHelp> !check kingcraft1.no-ip.org
#1108 [09:19] <DiskDaemon> Fakerok: I'm sorry, I don't know what you mean.
#1109 [09:20] <DiskDaemon> Fakerok: Ahh, you mean the Webmoney transaction service. No, that's not supported for payment for minecraft.
#1110 [09:21] <Fakerok> oh no =(
#1111 [09:22] * creeper_928 [creeper_928@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#1112 [09:23] <Fakerok> And where can I find out how much money in Russian 19 Euro
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#1114 [09:23] <teetor314> Morning all
#1115 [09:23] <Morrolan> Fakerok - Google.
#1116 [09:23] <teetor314> ?
#1117 [09:23] <Morrolan> "19 Euros to Russian rubles"
#1118 [09:23] <Morrolan> Not you, teetor314.
#1119 [09:24] <creeper_928> i bought the game and every time i go to play it goes to a black screen and i cant paly
#1120 [09:26] <creeper_928> play*
#1121 [09:27] <DavidNeedsHelp> hmm
#1122 [09:27] <DavidNeedsHelp> did u install a mod?
#1123 [09:28] <DavidNeedsHelp> creeper_928 can your pc run minecrafT?
#1124 [09:28] <DiskDaemon> He's gone now
#1125 [09:29] <DavidNeedsHelp> k
#1126 [09:29] <Fakerok> It is also possible for the town of Java
#1127 [09:33] <DavidNeedsHelp> guys
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#1129 [09:33] <DavidNeedsHelp> anyone off you know a vps?
#1130 [09:33] <DavidNeedsHelp> thats a free trial?
#1131 [09:33] <Morrolan> Free VPS? Wouldn't know of any.
#1132 [09:34] <Morrolan> Just spend those five USD on a small VPS, it's not that expensive. ;)
#1133 [09:34] <xales> Uhh, a free trial of a VPS? Any company doing that is going to go out of business, real fast.
#1134 [09:34] <xales> Unless that company is Amazon.
#1135 [09:34] <xales> Who /does/ do that...except it's not exactly a VPS.
#1136 [09:34] <xales> And if you wanted it to run a Minecraft server...yeah, good luck with that.
#1137 [09:35] * Morrolan imagines seeing a 200 line ad whenever you connect to your VPS through SSH
#1137 [09:35] <xales> heh
#1138 [09:35] <xales> Morrolan: echo > /etc/motd :p
#1139 [09:35] <DavidNeedsHelp> any vps
#1140 [09:35] <Morrolan> Haha, yea.
#1141 [09:35] <DavidNeedsHelp> a vps for a rsps
#1142 [09:35] <DavidNeedsHelp> runescape private serve
#1143 [09:35] <xales> uhh.
#1144 [09:35] <DavidNeedsHelp> im look for one off them aswel
#1145 [09:35] <xales> See, generally.
#1146 [09:35] <xales> When someone wants a service.
#1147 [09:35] <xales> They have to use this thing called "money" to get it.
#1148 [09:36] <xales> You don't get free things in this world.
#1149 [09:36] <Morrolan> Since, you know, those people offering services, they are greedy.
#1150 [09:36] <Morrolan> They want to eat too, those greedy bastards.
#1151 [09:36] <Morrolan> Some of them even want to buy a car. >:(
#1152 [09:36] <xales> And their shareholders want to buy multi-million dollar yachts, too.
#1153 [09:36] <Morrolan> Yap.
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#1158 [09:49] <kacey_XD> I have a problem starting my server, every time it loads I keep getting a [SEVERE] issue
#1159 [09:49] <Necrodoom> what is the error?
#1160 [09:50] <kacey_XD> [SEVERE] error loading my server
#1161 [09:50] <xales> kacey_XD: Please copy and paste the exact error message. If it's longer than a few lines, use http://pastebin.com/
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#1163 [09:52] <kacey_XD_> http://pastebin.com/Q6YV1cEs
#1164 [09:53] <DavidNeedsHelp> kacey
#1165 [09:53] <DavidNeedsHelp> are u hosting bukkit?
#1166 [09:53] <Necrodoom> map seems broken
#1167 [09:53] <kacey_XD_> Yes I am using bukkit..is there a way to fix it?
#1168 [09:53] <DavidNeedsHelp> try a diffrent map
#1169 [09:53] <DavidNeedsHelp> delete your current map
#1170 [09:53] <DavidNeedsHelp> the reload the server
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#1172 [09:54] <kacey_XD_> But that map has all of my cities and server stuff on it.
#1173 [09:54] <DavidNeedsHelp> hmm
#1174 [09:54] <DavidNeedsHelp> take the maps out a sec
#1175 [09:54] <xales> kacey_XD_: Well, it's corrupt and likely not fixable.
#1176 [09:54] <DavidNeedsHelp> then start server again
#1177 [09:54] <DavidNeedsHelp> did u make them in single player
#1178 [09:54] <DavidNeedsHelp> >]
#1179 [09:54] <xales> kacey_XD_: I hope you have a backup or something.
#1180 [09:54] <DavidNeedsHelp> ?
#1181 [09:55] <DavidNeedsHelp> if it was made in single player
#1182 [09:55] <DavidNeedsHelp> it wont work
#1183 [09:55] <kacey_XD_> I do have backups, and I did not create it in single player..
#1184 [09:55] <DavidNeedsHelp> hmm
#1185 [09:55] <Morrolan> Singleplayer worlds work just fine in multiplayer.
#1186 [09:55] <xales> kacey_XD_: You should backup the state it's in now and restore a backup
#1187 [09:55] <DavidNeedsHelp> you will have to make a nwe world
#1188 [09:55] <DavidNeedsHelp> try making a new world
#1189 [09:56] <kacey_XD_> I have tried loading a backupworld but the issue is still there.
#1190 [09:56] <DavidNeedsHelp> its the world then
#1191 [09:56] <DavidNeedsHelp> remoev the worlds
#1192 [09:56] <DavidNeedsHelp> start serevr up
#1193 [09:56] <DavidNeedsHelp> if you get the same error
#1194 [09:56] <DavidNeedsHelp> it may be a plugin
#1195 [09:56] <kacey_XD_> if I create a new world and load it will I be able to replace the new world with my old one?
#1196 [09:56] <DavidNeedsHelp> nope
#1197 [09:56] <kacey_XD_> I removed all the plugins, nether, and the end from the server
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#1199 [09:57] <DavidNeedsHelp> mno
#1200 [09:57] <DavidNeedsHelp> leave plugins in
#1201 [09:57] <DavidNeedsHelp> abut delete worlds
#1202 [09:57] <DavidNeedsHelp> then restart server
#1203 [09:57] <kacey_XD_> so in the server folder, you want me to remove the world? ok, just a second..
#1204 [09:57] <DavidNeedsHelp> yh
#1205 [09:57] <DavidNeedsHelp> keep plugins
#1206 [09:57] <DavidNeedsHelp> remove the worlds in the server folder
#1207 [09:58] <DavidNeedsHelp> then resstart the server
#1208 [09:59] <kacey_XD_> In the terminal it just stops loading when it reaches a certain point.
#1209 [09:59] <DavidNeedsHelp> ..
#1210 [09:59] <DavidNeedsHelp> ure on a mac>?
#1211 [09:59] <xales> ._.
#1212 [09:59] <DavidNeedsHelp> ?
#1213 [10:00] <kacey_XD_> yes
#1214 [10:00] <DavidNeedsHelp> thats why
#1215 [10:00] <DavidNeedsHelp> u need mac version off the server
#1216 [10:00] <xales> DavidNeedsHelp: Uh, no, it's not.
#1217 [10:00] <DavidNeedsHelp> have u got the mac version?
#1218 [10:00] <DavidNeedsHelp> off the server?
#1219 [10:00] <kacey_XD_> how do I find out if I do or not?
#1220 [10:00] <xales> DavidNeedsHelp: There's no "Mac version"
#1221 [10:00] <DavidNeedsHelp> ....
#1222 [10:00] <DavidNeedsHelp> u need to have mac version
#1223 [10:00] <DavidNeedsHelp> there is
#1224 [10:00] <DavidNeedsHelp> on mc download
#1225 [10:00] <xales> Please do not offer assistance if you don't know what you're talking about.
#1226 [10:00] <DavidNeedsHelp> the mac jar file
#1227 [10:00] <DavidNeedsHelp> bro
#1228 [10:01] <kacey_XD_> where do i get it?
#1229 [10:01] <DavidNeedsHelp> http://www.minecraft.net/download
#1230 [10:01] <xales> kacey_XD_: If you are able to run the server *at all*, then you already have what you need.
#1231 [10:02] <xales> kacey_XD_: At what point in the process does it stop?
#1232 [10:02] <kacey_XD_> what do i download on that page?
#1233 [10:02] <xales> kacey_XD_: You don't need to download anything. Again, if you are already able to run the server, then you already have what you need.
#1234 [10:03] <kacey_XD_> with or without the server map in the folder?
#1235 [10:03] <xales> kacey_XD_: Without the map
#1236 [10:03] <kacey_XD_> Yes i was able to run it for a few weeks that way..
#1237 [10:04] <kacey_XD_> and it stops somewhere about a line after the permissions file after the spawns
#1238 [10:04] <xales> kacey_XD_: Can you paste the log again?
#1239 [10:05] <kacey_XD_> http://pastebin.com/N50UvbMY
#1240 [10:06] <xales> kacey_XD_: Are you able to connect to the server?
#1241 [10:06] <kacey_XD_> not through mine craft game..it says its not connected to server.
#1242 [10:07] <xales> hmm.
#1243 [10:07] <kacey_XD_> that is also without the map in the folder loading it..
#1244 [10:08] <xales> kacey_XD_: Can you try removing everything from the server folder except for the actual .jar and plugins, and config files?
#1245 [10:09] <kacey_XD_> even the .log files?
#1246 [10:09] <xales> You can leave those
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#1249 [10:11] <teetor314> Sorry for the disconnect
#1250 [10:11] <kacey_XD_> it pretty much says the same thing as last time when i removed the files..
#1251 [10:12] <teetor314> what issue are you having kacey_xd?
#1252 [10:12] <xales> kacey_XD_: Can you try running it again, but without any plugins?
#1253 [10:13] <kacey_XD_> it doesn't show an issue..it stops loading like before it just doesn't show the [SERVRE] issue
#1254 [10:13] <kacey_XD_> like it stops loading after spawns
#1255 [10:14] <xales> kacey_XD_: Well, if it says "Done" when it stops loading, then it should be running
#1256 [10:15] <teetor314> ah
#1257 [10:15] <kacey_XD_> 10:16:08 [INFO] Done (24.676s)! For help, type "help" or "?"
#1258 [10:15] <kacey_XD_> that is the last line it loads
#1259 [10:16] <xales> kacey_XD_: That's the last line you should see. If it gets there, then it's done loading.
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#1261 [10:17] <skipinrap> hi
#1262 [10:17] <xales> Hello.
#1263 [10:17] <skipinrap> um is there a number that i can call to contact minecraft
#1264 [10:18] <kacey_XD_> let me chick it it running in Minecraft
#1265 [10:18] <kacey_XD_> still says can't reach server
#1266 [10:18] <xales> skipinrap: No.
#1267 [10:18] <skipinrap> well can i ask you a question?
#1268 [10:18] <xales> skipinrap: That's why we are here.
#1269 [10:19] <xales> kacey_XD_: It appears to be a problem with Bukkit, which is outside the scope of what we can help with here. Have you tried asking for help in #bukkit ?
#1270 [10:19] <kacey_XD_> No i haven't.. thank you for your help..do you still think the map is broken and can't be fixed..or it is just bucket?
#1271 [10:19] <kacey_XD_> *bukkit
#1272 [10:20] <kacey_XD_> do you know where I can contact bukkit?
#1273 [10:21] <skipinrap> okay i had bought minecraft yesterday and now i made i made a mistake on the tunnel around the village to keep the zombies out from attacking the villagers(on superflat and creative with a seed) but now i cant delete the blocks i messed up. why?
#1274 [10:21] <Morrolan> kacey_XD_ - #bukkit would be worth a shot.
#1275 [10:22] <Morrolan> skipinrap - The only time I had an issue with blocks I couldn't remove I could fix it by trying to break them from a different angle.
#1276 [10:22] <kacey_XD_> how to i contact bukkit?
#1277 [10:22] <Morrolan> kacey_XD_ - They have an IRC channel on this network, #bukkit
#1278 [10:22] <Morrolan> Use "/join #bukkit" to get there.
#1279 [10:22] <skipinrap> but i try it still not work
#1280 [10:22] <kacey_XD_> thank you for your help!
#1281 [10:23] <skipinrap> gotta go
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#1286 [10:46] <TheMagic> After trying to connect to IP 5.39.7.149:25565 I was met with the message 'host is down'. I know the host is not down as http://www.twitch.tv/gladeatorkid is livestreaming from the server.
#1287 [10:47] <TheMagic> So, erm, how do I join, essentially is the question?
#1288 [10:47] <TheNoodle> That's a hamachi ip
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#1290 [10:47] <TheMagic> Thank you
#1291 [10:47] <TheNoodle> ??>> TheMagic foobar/hamachi
#1292 [10:47] <TheNoodle> :<
#1293 [10:47] <TheNoodle> ??< index
#1294 [10:47] <TheMagic> But.... the public is able to connect
#1295 [10:48] <TheNoodle> Not on that ip they can't
#1296 [10:48] <TheNoodle> ?? fubar/hamachi
#1297 [10:48] <VoxelHead> fubar/hamachi: Hamachi has been squatting on a previously unallocated IP address space. This block of addresses, 5.0.0.0/8, has been allocated by IANA. As such, Hamachi conflicts with the internet. As such, #MineCraftHelp will neither support nor assist with server network issues for hosts using Hamachi for connectivity.
#1298 [10:48] <VoxelHead> fubar/hamachi: If you are using Hamachi, use a different solution such as proper port forwarding, or a VPN.
#1299 [10:48] <TheMagic> Ehm... ok
#1300 [10:48] <TheMagic> It's not my server.
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#1302 [10:50] <TheNoodle> 'As such, #MineCraftHelp will neither support nor assist with server network issues for hosts using Hamachi for connectivity.'
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#1304 [10:51] <ext> hi everytime i start up it crashes
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#1315 [11:11] <teetor314> Hey, anyone needing help in here?
#1316 [11:12] <Morrolan> That's not how it works. ;)
#1317 [11:18] <teetor314> Morrolan ive been here a while lol
#1318 [11:18] <Morrolan> Then you should know how this channel operates.
#1319 [11:25] <teetor314> I am aware, but sometimes there not enough ppl to help others
#1320 [11:25] <|Anthony|> is there a known grieffer forum where grieffers share servers to grief on?
#1321 [11:26] <|Anthony|> I've been combating a recent influx of these folks
#1322 [11:26] <clarjon1> |Anthony|: youtube.
#1323 [11:26] <clarjon1> |Anthony|: search for your server name or address in youtube, see if you have any hits.
#1324 [11:26] <|Anthony|> just wondering if they share their newly discovered servers
#1325 [11:26] <|Anthony|> hmm
#1326 [11:26] <xales> clarjon1: wait, really? ._.
#1327 [11:27] <TheNoodle> course
#1328 [11:27] <TheNoodle> that or HF
#1329 [11:27] <|Anthony|> do they usually post the address in the description?
#1330 [11:27] <clarjon1> |Anthony|: either description or vid
#1331 [11:27] <xales> TheNoodle: Why does HF still exist? :(
#1332 [11:27] <|Anthony|> thought they did that in the video
#1333 [11:27] <clarjon1> xales: We had many griefers come to our server because of vids like that
#1334 [11:27] <|Anthony|> if it's in the video, it won't return
#1335 [11:27] <xales> clarjon1: ._.
#1336 [11:27] <clarjon1> xales: We have had 4 or 5 that were actually impressed by how we ran things and have been legit players for months now XD
#1337 [11:28] <xales> lol
#1338 [11:28] <xales> \o/
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#1340 [11:29] <clarjon1> And of course there are the "Hi i m from planit miencrft and i need ops 2 review ur server"
#1341 [11:29] <|Anthony|> lol clarjon1... a few started out that way on mine as well
#1342 [11:29] <xales> clarjon1: you should write a mod
#1343 [11:29] <TheNoodle> xales, because kids
#1344 [11:29] <xales> that just sends fake op stuff to them
#1345 [11:29] <xales> lolol
#1346 [11:30] <xales> :p
#1347 [11:30] <|Anthony|> lol... i use /say <player> is now OP
#1348 [11:30] <xales> haha
#1349 [11:30] <clarjon1> xales: What I do is say "Welcome to DreamCraft. Thank you for choosing to review us. However, to give a proper and honest review, we request that you follow the registration procedure so that your readers will get a more correct review."
#1350 [11:30] <clarjon1> xales: *Scammer has quit
#1351 [11:30] <xales> clarjon1: less fun that way :(
#1352 [11:30] <clarjon1> Not reallllly
#1353 [11:30] <clarjon1> xales: It's fun to make them run away fast XD
#1354 [11:30] <xales> clarjon1: more fun to let them dig a hole
#1355 [11:30] <xales> and bury them in it :p
#1356 [11:31] <clarjon1> xales: What's fun is that it's become a race between the active players to tell them something along those lines :D
#1357 [11:31] <xales> lol
#1358 [11:31] <clarjon1> "Hi, i'm from planet minecraft"
#1359 [11:31] <xales> clarjon1: you should give me op so I can show you how to do it right
#1360 [11:31] <xales> ;_;
#1361 [11:31] <clarjon1> *five lines of "Welcome, we don't give out ops"
#1362 [11:31] <|Anthony|> i don't run with ops
#1363 [11:31] <|Anthony|> and i'm the owner
#1364 [11:31] <xales> clarjon1: what is your server, anyway? :p
#1365 [11:31] <clarjon1> xales: I just said earlier. Dreamcraft
#1366 [11:32] <xales> address? :p
#1367 [11:32] <clarjon1> name + .org
#1368 [11:32] <|Anthony|> lol
#1369 [11:32] <clarjon1> that's also the website.
#1370 [11:32] <clarjon1> 'tis a greylisting server.
#1371 [11:32] <|Anthony|> greylist?
#1372 [11:32] <|Anthony|> what's that mean?
#1373 [11:32] <clarjon1> |Anthony|: Guests are limited to a cuboided area, can move around, talk, etc.
#1374 [11:33] <|Anthony|> ah
#1375 [11:33] <clarjon1> |Anthony|: to be able to exit the "Spawn Village" you have to be registered on our forums, and perform a simple test to prove you actually read the rules.
#1376 [11:33] <|Anthony|> Tourists can explore our world, but can only use a wood sword
#1377 [11:33] <|Anthony|> I'm about to make it so they can't place/break etc though
#1378 [11:33] <Necrodoom> my server gives a small puzzle for newbies
#1379 [11:33] <|Anthony|> same here
#1380 [11:34] <Necrodoom> basically, read the command pasted in your face
#1381 [11:34] <|Anthony|> spawn is a box...
#1382 [11:34] <|Anthony|> find your way out
#1383 [11:34] <Necrodoom> type said password in terminal
#1384 [11:34] <Necrodoom> around 30% manage
#1385 [11:34] <|Anthony|> right?
#1386 [11:34] <|Anthony|> why are people not smart?
#1387 [11:34] <clarjon1> Our guest spawn includes instructions on getting to the forum and such :3
#1388 [11:34] <Necrodoom> laziness
#1389 [11:34] <clarjon1> As well as a guided tour of what our server provides :)
#1390 [11:34] <|Anthony|> agreed Necrodoom
#1391 [11:35] <Necrodoom> ive had people trying to break though the wall, instead
#1392 [11:35] <clarjon1> Necrodoom: Same.
#1393 [11:35] <Necrodoom> or scream at people for pass
#1394 [11:35] <|Anthony|> it's ridiculous
#1395 [11:35] <Necrodoom> ./ignore is widely used in my server now
#1396 [11:35] <|Anthony|> i give links to the wiki with /help
#1397 [11:35] <|Anthony|> either players will read the wiki, or read the answers to questions in chat...
#1398 [11:35] <|Anthony|> either way reading is reqired
#1399 [11:36] <|Anthony|> i'd rather not spam game chat with the same FAQ and such
#1400 [11:36] <Necrodoom> wish there was some way to make a no chat region
#1401 [11:36] <|Anthony|> GO TO WIKI!
#1402 [11:36] <|Anthony|> lol
#1403 [11:36] <clarjon1> |Anthony|: We have many FAQs on signs up around the spawn village :3
#1404 [11:37] <clarjon1> |Anthony|: which is epic for a couple reasons... 1) The work put into it and 2) the fact it's done legit. No creative, or spawning items.
#1405 [11:37] <|Anthony|> people don't know how to read though it would seem
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#1407 [11:37] <jay_de_haan> troll
#1408 [11:37] <jay_de_haan> troll
#1409 [11:37] <jay_de_haan> trolk
#1410 [11:37] <jay_de_haan> trol
#1411 [11:37] <jay_de_haan> troll
#1412 [11:37] <jay_de_haan> trol
#1413 [11:37] <jay_de_haan> troll
#1414 [11:37] <xales> ._.
#1415 [11:37] <Necrodoom> lol
#1416 [11:38] <xales> clarjon1: I'm not on your server or anything
#1417 [11:38] <clarjon1> Of -course- you're not.
#1418 [11:38] <TheNoodle> I feel so trolled :(
#1419 [11:40] <clarjon1> xales: :3
#1420 [11:42] <xales> clarjon1: :D
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#1422 [11:47] <kacey_XD_> how do i fix a citizens error?
#1423 [11:47] <xales> ??> kacey_XD_ mods
#1424 [11:47] <VoxelHead> kacey_XD_: (mods) This channel is not a venue for mod support, or support for modded servers. As it is impossible for anybody to know every combination of mods out there, this channel does not assist with unofficial third-party modded content.
#1425 [11:47] <VoxelHead> kacey_XD_: (mods) For single player mods, contact the mod's creator or try http://tiny.cc/modinstall for general installation instructions. For bukkit help, use #bukkit; you can also search Google for a mod's installation instructions.
#1426 [11:47] <clarjon1> kacey_XD_: ask in #bukkit
#1427 [11:48] <kacey_XD_> Would I ask you about fixing a map corrupt error?
#1428 [11:49] <GreyVulpine> How is it corrupt?
#1429 [11:49] <kacey_XD_> I'm not completely sure how: http://pastie.org/4306629
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#1431 [11:56] <kacey_XD_> Did you find the chunk/map corrupt error?
#1432 [11:59] <GreyVulpine> I'd try something like chunkster, see if that fixes it. MCedit can also fix stuff like this
#1433 [11:59] <GreyVulpine> ?? mcedit
#1434 [11:59] <VoxelHead> mcedit: https://github.com/mcedit/mcedit/downloads
#1435 [11:59] <GreyVulpine> http://forums.bukkit.org/threads/admin-chunkster.8186/
#1436 [12:00] <kacey_XD_> I am also using a mac..idk if that matters. Does chunkster work on mac?
#1437 [12:00] <GreyVulpine> Should.. it's in java.
#1438 [12:01] <kacey_XD_> Ok, where do I put the folder once I download it?
#1439 [12:02] <GreyVulpine> Instructions are in the post
#1440 [12:03] <kacey_XD_> Ok, thank you so much!
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#1463 [13:50] <|Anthony|> is there a downloadable list of all item IDs / enum
#1464 [13:51] <|Anthony|> something that would pair the id to the enum
#1465 [13:54] <Morrolan> |Anthony| - Suggest you ask in #risucraft, if there is such a list, you'll find it there. :)
#1466 [13:54] <|Anthony|> ok
#1467 [13:54] <Morrolan> I mean I could link you to the wiki, but I guess what you need is a plaintext file. ^^
#1468 [13:54] <|Anthony|> just want to make a config file where i can modify income/exp values
#1469 [13:55] <|Anthony|> plaintext would be perfect
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#1471 [13:56] <gromith> so, when I do mtr to a mc server I get nice stats on all nodes, but as soon as I try to connect in mc the pings fly up (on all nodes) and I get 5-10% packetloss on all nodes + huge stdev.. on a pretty solid fiber line, no problems in other games
#1472 [13:57] <gromith> anyone have a magic potion for that ? D:
#1473 [13:58] <gromith> fyi mtr is just trace route
#1474 [13:58] <gromith> summary: I haz lag
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#1477 [13:59] <Schagen> Does somebody know how i can use /region addowner with websend?
#1478 [14:03] <Morrolan> Not familiar with this "websend" plugin. Your best bet is to ask its developers.
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#1481 [14:04] <mmce> hi
#1482 [14:04] <gromith> hello
#1483 [14:04] <mmce> can someone help me?
#1484 [14:05] <mib_gk1blg> I have made a wrong account, and now I can't create an other one because it says: "E-mail already in use" Can I delete the wrong account or do I need to make an other e-mail?
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#1486 [14:06] <Morrolan> The only way to delete your account would be to contact Mojang's support. Seeing as they are still busy with mails from two months ago, I'd advise you to create a new mail address.
#1487 [14:06] <mmce> my minecraft goes black after loading how can i fix that im on widows 7 i fullfill all the requirements ... Help?!
#1488 [14:06] <Morrolan> Did you install any mods, mmce?
#1489 [14:06] <gromith> anyone have any bright ideas what might be causing my problems? :e
#1490 [14:06] <mib_gk1blg> Ok Thanks!
#1491 [14:06] <mmce> no i didnt
#1492 [14:06] <Morrolan> mib_gk1blg - Alternatively you could use a temporary e-mail address, which you can...
#1493 [14:07] <Morrolan> set up with most providers, see http://lifehacker.com/144397/instant-disposable-gmail-addresses for an example.
#1494 [14:07] <mmce> i already did the appdata deleting bin etc and nothing worked
#1495 [14:07] <Morrolan> mmce - Did it ever work before?
#1496 [14:07] <mmce> yes
#1497 [14:07] <mmce> it worked
#1498 [14:07] <Morrolan> What version of Java are you using?
#1499 [14:07] <Morrolan> You can type "java -version" in a command prompt to find out
#1500 [14:08] <mmce> jave 7 update 5
#1501 [14:08] <mmce> i heard they had bugs so i tried the java 6 and nothing happened
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#1503 [14:09] <Morrolan> Yea, Java 7 likes to cause issues with Minecraft indeed. When you installed Java 6, did you remove Java 7, so it actually did use Java 6?
#1504 [14:10] <mmce> yes i did
#1505 [14:10] <mmce> i cant even play in the browser is goes black aswell
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#1507 [14:12] <Morrolan> Okay. Then grab the .jar launcher from https://s3.amazonaws.com/MinecraftDownload/launcher/minecraft.jar , and save it somewhere. Then grab this file https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15421087/Minecraft/%23Minecrafthelp/run_minecraft.bat and save it in the same folder you put Minecraft.jar.
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#1509 [14:12] <Morrolan> Then start the .bat file. Once Minecraft crashed an error will show up in the console, put that one on www.pastebin.com and give us the link.
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#1511 [14:14] <mmce> morrolan it appeared a cmd window is that what u want?
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#1513 [14:15] <Morrolan> Yes. In there you should get an error log. Right-click the command window -> select all -> hit enter. Then you can paste it (ctrl-v) on www.pastebin.com
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#1515 [14:15] <zozo> free sex : http://adf.ly/Axmjw
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#1517 [14:15] <zozo> free sex : http://adf.ly/Axmjw
#1518 [14:15] <zozo> free sex : http://adf.ly/Axmjw
#1519 [14:15] <Morrolan> !kb zozo
#1520 [14:15] * GreyBot kicked zozo from #minecrafthelp (Reason: ozo :<Kicks:935>)
#1521 [14:16] <|Anthony|> it's never free
#1522 [14:16] * Morrolan prods xales
#1522 [14:16] <mmce> http://pastebin.com/Fwd5kuZH
#1523 [14:16] <mmce> there u go
#1524 [14:17] <Morrolan> mmce - The .jar launcher and the .bat file are in the same folder, right?
#1525 [14:18] <mmce> yeah
#1526 [14:18] <Rikairchy> what script are you using?
#1527 [14:18] <Rikairchy> the pause at the end isn't looking like its in the correct spot
#1528 [14:18] <mmce> script?
#1529 [14:18] <Rikairchy> the bat file
#1530 [14:18] <mmce> what u mean?
#1531 [14:19] <Morrolan> The pause is fine, Rikairchy. ;)
#1532 [14:19] <Rikairchy> ohhhh
#1533 [14:19] <Rikairchy> its because theres no @ECHO OFF
#1534 [14:19] <Morrolan> Yep.
#1535 [14:19] <mmce> O.o?
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#1537 [14:19] <Rikairchy> are you supposed to set the max before or after the min?
#1538 [14:20] <Rikairchy> mines backwards from that script D:
#1539 [14:20] <Morrolan> Uh, I don't think it matters. :)
#1540 [14:20] <Morrolan> Since the parameters will get read by the java executable before anything is done.
#1541 [14:20] <Morrolan> The order in which it then processes them is up to Java.
#1542 [14:20] <Morrolan> EIther way, back to the issue.
#1543 [14:20] <Rikairchy> about the missing frame?
#1544 [14:21] <Morrolan> The .jar file you are using is the one from https://s3.amazonaws.com/MinecraftDownload/launcher/minecraft.jar and NOT the one from %appdata%\.minecraft?
#1545 [14:21] <mmce> exactly
#1546 [14:21] <Morrolan> Then I'm slightly confused about this issue. Could you remove Java 7, install Java 6 and run that .bat file again?
#1547 [14:22] <mmce> ok wait
#1548 [14:22] <Rikairchy> mmce: do you have a 64 or a 32 bit computer?
#1549 [14:22] <mmce> 64
#1550 [14:22] <Rikairchy> do you have both the 32 bit and 64 bit versions of java installed?
#1551 [14:23] <mmce> no how do u see if i have 32 and 64 bits at same time?
#1552 [14:24] <Rikairchy> look under C:\Program Files\
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#1554 [14:24] <Rikairchy> and C:\Program Files(x86)\
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#1556 [14:25] <mmce> kinda newbie on that
#1557 [14:25] <Asmarturd> I can't my game to download then open
#1558 [14:25] <Rikairchy> regardless, follow Morrolan's instructions about removing Java 7 please
#1559 [14:26] <mmce> alright wait a sec morrolan i made a mistake i have the java 6 and i cant install java 7 O.o?!?!
#1560 [14:26] <Rikairchy> Asmarturd: did you download the file from minecraft.net/download ?
#1561 [14:26] <Asmarturd> then loading bar comes up.. almost full then... GONE.... the window shuts down.... is it because of my Norton 360?
#1562 [14:26] <Rikairchy> so you have Java 6
#1563 [14:26] <Asmarturd> yes I did
#1564 [14:26] <mmce> right
#1565 [14:26] <Rikairchy> Asmarturd: is it modded at all?
#1566 [14:26] <Rikairchy> mmce: and you're unable to launch minecraft?
#1567 [14:26] <Asmarturd> What's modded?
#1568 [14:27] <mmce> i launch it then it loads and then goes blak
#1569 [14:27] <Rikairchy> Asmarturd: put anything else into it. like modloader, etc
#1570 [14:27] <Rikairchy> hm
#1571 [14:27] <Asmarturd> not that I know of
#1572 [14:27] <Rikairchy> have you tried doing a force update, mmce?
#1573 [14:27] <mmce> any idea on how the hell can i update my java since it doesnt install?
#1574 [14:27] <mmce> yes i have rikair
#1575 [14:27] <Asmarturd> yup and it does the same thing
#1576 [14:27] <Rikairchy> Asmarturd: have you tried disabling your anti-virus?
#1577 [14:27] <Asmarturd> I don't know how.. lol
#1578 [14:28] <Rikairchy> depends on your antivirus
#1579 [14:28] <Rikairchy> a quick google search should let you know ;)
#1580 [14:28] <Asmarturd> Norton 360
#1581 [14:28] <Rikairchy> google it
#1582 [14:29] <mmce> riakir
#1583 [14:29] <Asmarturd> googling now
#1584 [14:29] <Rikairchy> mmce
#1585 [14:30] <mmce> explain me like if i were a kid from 1st grade how do i see if i use 64 and 32 bits?
#1586 [14:30] <Rikairchy> go to your C:\ drive
#1587 [14:30] <Rikairchy> under Computer
#1588 [14:31] <Rikairchy> if there is a java in both the Programs folders
#1589 [14:31] <Rikairchy> then you use both
#1590 [14:31] <Rikairchy> unfortunately, I must go
#1591 [14:31] <kazagistar_> Is there some way to change tick length?
#1592 [14:31] <Rikairchy> good luck guys
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#1594 [14:33] <mmce> morrolan u still there?
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#1596 [14:37] <nick> help
#1597 [14:38] <Denizen> Explain what you need help with.
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#1600 [14:42] <DopeGhoti> explication, apparently.
#1601 [14:42] <Guest5790> there is a hacker on my server the ip diamonds.zapto.org his usernames are creeperSSSSSSS Lazy_days his ip is 208.102.130.200
#1602 [14:42] <DopeGhoti> so ban his IP
#1603 [14:43] <Guest5790> he has roxy
#1604 [14:43] <Denizen> That would be your responsibility to take care of.
#1605 [14:43] <Denizen> Is Roxy a person? If so call the police immediately.
#1606 [14:43] <Denizen> If you mean proxy, try banning his username.
#1607 [14:43] <Denizen> usernames*
#1608 [14:44] <mmce> i need help
#1609 [14:44] <mmce> with freakin java!!
#1610 [14:44] <Denizen> which verison of Freaking Java do you have?
#1611 [14:45] <mmce> u know when u install java and then cmd java -version and it says there the version u have?
#1612 [14:45] <Denizen> Yes.
#1613 [14:45] <mmce> well i keep installing java 7 in chrome but in cmd says there isn't any java
#1614 [14:46] <Guest5790> ok gotten taken care of
#1615 [14:46] <Denizen> So you're installing the browser plugin but not Java itself?
#1616 [14:46] <Guest5790> but it might not work
#1617 [14:46] <Guest5790> do u hae a phone number
#1618 [14:47] <mmce> then how i do it?
#1619 [14:47] <Denizen> I do, but if anything happens just come back in here next time.
#1620 [14:47] <Denizen> Mmce: I'm not really sure what's happening, where are you installing from?
#1621 [14:47] <Denizen> If it's from Java's website it should be installing on your computer.
#1622 [14:47] <mmce> java.com
#1623 [14:47] <mmce> http://java.com/pt_BR/download/chrome.jsp?locale=pt_BR
#1624 [14:47] <mmce> from here
#1625 [14:48] <Guest5790> uhh he is still hacking help!!!!
#1626 [14:48] <Guest5790> plz :(
#1627 [14:48] <TheNoodle> 'he has roxy'
#1628 [14:48] <TheNoodle> ily
#1629 [14:50] <Boreeas> Hackers have roxy. Are you a bad enough admin to rescue roxy?
#1630 [14:50] <Denizen> Mmce: Try this: java.com/pt_BR/download/inc/windows_upgrade_xpi.jsp??locale=pt_BR
#1631 [14:50] <Guest5790> hey is hacking my computer
#1632 [14:50] <mmce> that page doesnt exist
#1633 [14:50] <Boreeas> Guest5790: Disconnect from the internet
#1634 [14:51] <TheNoodle> QUICK
#1635 [14:51] <TheNoodle> CUT THE CABLE
#1636 [14:51] <Denizen> Mmce: I'm not really sure what's happening. Can you still run Java-based applications fine?
#1637 [14:51] <mmce> idk wait
#1638 [14:52] <Denizen> Try running Minecraft.
#1639 [14:53] <Denizen> Guest5790: Try drinking lots of fluids.
#1640 [14:55] <mmce> no i kant
#1641 [14:55] <mmce> it goes blak after loading
#1642 [14:57] <Denizen> On the login screen, click on "Options" then "Force Update" just to make sure.,
#1643 [15:01] <mmce> it keeps going black
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#1647 [15:09] <firestar13579> So, here's my problem. When I try to use my Minecraft Beta, no matter what I do, it wont start. It asks if I want to update. If I hit yes than the percentage will just stop and if I press no it just wont open. And this is both in browser and downloaded. Does anyone know how to fix it? I miss minecraft.
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#1649 [15:16] <mmce> same problem as firestar
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#1651 [15:20] <rapinskip> my son can't pick blocks with button 1 on the mouse. What's the problem, he could do it yesterday
#1652 [15:21] <Morrolan> rapinskip - There are a few blocks where it doesn't work. If it doesn't work with all blocks though, then I suggest to check the settings, to see whether it's still set there.
#1653 [15:21] <Morrolan> firestar13579 - If it gets stuck while downloading then it's most likely security software blocking it. If you're using AVG, turn off its linkscanner module. Else disable your security software temporarily.
#1654 [15:22] <rapinskip> we checked settings, it still says button 1, I reversed the mouse to see if it would work with button 2, it doens't
#1655 [15:22] <Morrolan> Hmm. When you start Minecraft, before you log in, press "Options", then "Force update", then log in. This'll make it grab fresh files. Then try again, rapinskip.
#1656 [15:22] <rapinskip> k, give me a sec
#1657 [15:25] <firestar13579> ok...i do use avg...but i have no idea how to disable stuff
#1658 [15:25] <rapinskip> it appears to have froze at 46
#1659 [15:25] <rapinskip> %%
#1660 [15:26] <Morrolan> firestar13579 - http://softwaretracker.blogspot.ch/2010/10/disable-useless-linkscanner-in-avg.html
#1661 [15:26] <rapinskip> should I restart and try again?
#1662 [15:26] <Morrolan> rapinskip - Huh, odd. Try a restart, yea.
#1663 [15:26] <Morrolan> If it doesn't help, temporarily disable security software as well.
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#1666 [15:30] <rapinskip> had to redo 5 times, finally forced the update and its still not working
#1667 [15:30] <firestar13579> it worked! thanks for the help Morrolan
#1668 [15:30] <Morrolan> firestar13579 - Sure thing. :)
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#1670 [15:31] <Morrolan> rapinskip - Oh great, so the issue is somewhere else. :S
#1671 [15:32] <rapinskip> i can plCE BLOCKS, I JUST CAN'T REMOVE THEM IF i MAKE A MISTAKE
#1672 [15:32] <Morrolan> You don't happen to use "Constant guard" by comcast?
#1673 [15:32] <rapinskip> no
#1674 [15:32] <rapinskip> is this a common issue?
#1675 [15:32] <Morrolan> Constant Guard likes to mess with controls. Apart from that not being able to remove blocks isn't common, no.
#1676 [15:33] <rapinskip> sorry for the caps, I accidently hits the button
#1677 [15:33] <Morrolan> No problem. :)
#1678 [15:33] <rapinskip> leave it to me to have a unique issue no one can fix,,, grrrr
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#1680 [15:34] <rapinskip> i'm not impressed with this game, I paid $27 and it has no tech support!
#1681 [15:34] <Morrolan> Feel free to contact Mojang (http://help.mojang.com/) if you want.
#1682 [15:35] <Morrolan> Apart from that, no need to get frosty in here, we're all volunteers.
#1683 [15:35] <rapinskip> I went there, they had an update that said they are currently answering e-mails from may!
#1684 [15:35] <Morrolan> If you press the left mouse button, does the avatar's arm swing, or does nothing happen?
#1685 [15:35] <Morrolan> rapinskip - Yep, that is correct, their backlog is huge.
#1686 [15:36] <rapinskip> Sorry, I'm not frosty with you, just the company, I appreciate any help you can give me
#1687 [15:36] <rapinskip> no nothing happerns
#1688 [15:37] <Morrolan> Do you have a second mouse which you could try it with?
#1689 [15:37] <Morrolan> Oh, wait.
#1690 [15:38] <Morrolan> In the Options -> Control menu, what mouse button is listed as "Attack"?
#1691 [15:38] <rapinskip> no, I really don't think its the mouse, the button works outside of minecraft on other programs
#1692 [15:38] <Morrolan> Since "Attack" is the one to destroy block, "Pick Block" is a different function.
#1693 [15:38] <rapinskip> hang on, i'll check
#1694 [15:39] <rapinskip> both pick block and attack are button 1
#1695 [15:39] <Morrolan> Put "Pick Block" on some other button, like the mousewheel, for now.
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#1697 [15:41] <rapinskip> well, something is working, I can blow them up now with the mousewheel, botton 1 still doesn't do anything though. What is attack?
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#1699 [15:41] <Morrolan> Attack is what you use to destroy blocks / attack mobs. You want "Attack" to be mouse button 1.
#1700 [15:42] <rapinskip> k, that's what its set as, hope everything works. Thanks for the help, your the best.
#1701 [15:42] <Morrolan> "Pick Block" allows you to select a block of the same type in your inventory, put that one on middle mouse button.
#1702 [15:42] <Morrolan> Sure thing. :)
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#1704 [15:43] <Morrolan> Just make sure that every mouse button is assigned one function only, else it won't work properly.
#1705 [15:43] <Elystus> If his controls are screwed up, you could just do a force update.
#1706 [15:44] <Morrolan> Did that, didn't work.
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#1708 [15:44] <Elystus> Really? Thats odd...
#1709 [15:46] <Morrolan> g - Ey. Did Kite respond when you messaged him a bit more than a week ago, actually?
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#1713 [15:53] <hartsell28> hello
#1714 [15:54] <hartsell28> i tried buying minecraft and it said my visa card had to wait another 24 hours? and then it said i purchased the game, gave me a product number, but i still can't play and it says i didn't purchase the game?
#1715 [15:55] <Morrolan> Check with your credit card provider whether your card actually got charged the money. If not, ask them whether they can unlock it for international transfers.
#1716 [15:55] <Elystus> The number you receieved was probably a uuid number, which means nothing. Check your bank account to see if money was actually taken out.
#1717 [15:55] <mmce> morrolan
#1718 [15:55] <Morrolan> Then you can buy it again, preferably through PayPal.
#1719 [15:55] <Morrolan> mmce - Ah, still getting that issue?
#1720 [15:55] <Morrolan> (Had to leave earlier on=
#1721 [15:56] <Morrolan> )*
#1722 [15:56] <hartsell28> my visa card is pre paid. would that make a difference?
#1723 [15:56] <mmce> yh yh what happen is that when i install java 7 in the cmd it says i dont have any java installed
#1724 [15:57] <Morrolan> hartsell28 - Prepaid cards aren't allowed for international transfers by default, call your credit card provider and ask them to unlock it. :)
#1725 [15:58] <Morrolan> mmce - That sounds like you're on a 64 bit OS and install 32 bit Java.
#1726 [15:58] <mmce> help me out
#1727 [15:58] <hartsell28> okay i will try that. I appreciate your help! :)
#1728 [15:58] <mmce> morrolan u have team viewer?
#1729 [15:58] <Morrolan> mmce - Nope. But if you're on a 64 bit OS, make sure you install this Java version: http://javadl.sun.com/webapps/download/AutoDL?BundleId=65693
#1730 [15:58] <Morrolan> hartsell28 - Good luck. :)
#1731 [16:01] <g> whazza, Morrolan
#1732 [16:02] <Morrolan> Heh, that did get your attention, alright.
#1733 [16:02] <g> I just happened to be looking at the server window
#1734 [16:02] <g> :P
#1735 [16:02] <Morrolan> Haha, okay.
#1736 [16:02] <Morrolan> Did Kite respond when you poked him on Skype ~9 days ago? :)
#1737 [16:02] <g> He.. didn't
#1738 [16:02] <g> iirc
#1739 [16:02] <Morrolan> Oh well, thanks for trying. :)
#1740 [16:02] <g> do you want to poke him yourself?
#1741 [16:03] <Morrolan> Ah, right now the issue isn't urgent enough. :)
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#1743 [16:04] <Morrolan> Though, could you send me his Skype username? I'll give it another week or two, and then I might poke him there. :)
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#1745 [16:06] <moono> hey
#1746 [16:06] <moono> i cant delete .minecraft folder
#1747 [16:06] <moono> and nothing is open
#1748 [16:07] <Morrolan> Restart your computer, then try again without opening Minecraft.
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#1751 [16:11] <Morrolan> ??< smp/servers
#1752 [16:12] <Rikairchy> ?.?
#1753 [16:12] <Rikairchy> g
#1754 [16:12] <Rikairchy> alive?
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#1756 [16:18] <hartsell28> it says i can't use it for international purchases, and i'm guessing its an international thing? :(
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#1758 [16:19] <ShanMan1> Hi
#1759 [16:19] <ShanMan1> There's a problem
#1760 [16:19] <ShanMan1> I used PayPal to get Minecraft
#1761 [16:19] <Morrolan> hartsell28 - Mojang is based in Sweden, so yes. Normally your credit card provider can unlock it though.
#1762 [16:19] <ShanMan1> I have a screenshot
#1763 [16:19] <ShanMan1> http://i47.tinypic.com/14mqf60.png
#1764 [16:20] <ShanMan1> Buuuuuut my account isn't premium
#1765 [16:20] <hartsell28> okay but i don't think this one can. :(
#1766 [16:20] <Morrolan> Did you get any confirmation per email?
#1767 [16:20] <ShanMan1> I haven't checked yet
#1768 [16:21] <Rikairchy> !paid shanman1
#1769 [16:21] <Rikairchy> !paid ShanMan1
#1770 [16:21] <Morrolan> hartsell28 - Just call the number on the back of the card, worst case they'll tell you that they can't, best case they'll unlock it. :)
#1771 [16:21] <ShanMan1> I just did this earlier
#1772 [16:21] <ShanMan1> Man
#1773 [16:21] <Morrolan> ShanMan1 - Also, check your paypal account, see whether the payment is shown as closed, or as pending.
#1774 [16:22] <ShanMan1> After trying to find free ways to get minecraft (I feel like I'd be in poverty if I paid for it)
#1775 [16:22] <ShanMan1> Isn't there a sale coming up?
#1776 [16:22] <Morrolan> For Minecraft? Not that I know of.
#1777 [16:23] <ShanMan1> I've watched my bro play minecraft on xbox
#1778 [16:23] <ShanMan1> and it looked AWESOME
#1779 [16:23] <ShanMan1> also I've seen videos on youtube
#1780 [16:23] <ShanMan1> it looked AWESOME
#1781 [16:24] <Morrolan> As I said, go check your PayPal account, see whether the payment is pending or closed.
#1782 [16:24] <ShanMan1> But it's way too expensive for me
#1783 [16:24] <Morrolan> Haha, come on.
#1784 [16:24] <Morrolan> It's about half the price of a regular game, and about as expensive as buying a pizza three times. ;)
#1785 [16:24] <Morrolan> That is not expensive.
#1786 [16:24] <ShanMan1> I'm 14 and would like to get minecraft before I'm 18 geez
#1787 [16:25] <ShanMan1> Can the owner make my account premium or something?
#1788 [16:25] <Morrolan> He _could_, but a) you can't just contact him and b) he wouldn't do that
#1789 [16:25] <ShanMan1> As much as I want it I do (NOT) have the money
#1790 [16:25] <xales> You are 14? Ask your parents, or get a job or something.
#1791 [16:25] <Morrolan> Then you will have to hope that someone gifts it to you.
#1792 [16:25] <Morrolan> Alterntively you could go mow some lawns, and wash some cars.
#1793 [16:26] <Morrolan> Alternatively*
#1794 [16:26] <ShanMan1> You can't pay for it via MONEY
#1795 [16:26] <ShanMan1> I'd need a CreditCard
#1796 [16:26] <ShanMan1> Which I don't have
#1797 [16:26] <Morrolan> A bank account will suffice.
#1798 [16:26] <ShanMan1> I'll pay for minecraft with the credit card that I don't have -___________--
#1799 [16:26] <Morrolan> Apart from that, get the money in cash, give it to your parents, ask them to buy it for you.
#1800 [16:27] <ShanMan1> Wat just happened there
#1801 [16:27] <Morrolan> VoxelHead automagically muted you. (It's a protectoin against people going "I haaaaaaaaaaatttteeeeeeeee yoooooooooouuuuuuuuuuu!!!!!!!!!")
#1802 [16:28] <ShanMan1> Lol
#1803 [16:28] <Morrolan> Now since he doesn't distinguish between regular letters and underscores, well.
#1804 [16:28] <ShanMan1> It said i was GIVEN OWNER...
#1805 [16:28] <Morrolan> That is just Mibbit being silly.
#1806 [16:28] <Denizen> "I haaaaaaaaaaatttteeeeeeeee yoooooooooouuuuuuuuuuu!!!!!!!!!
#1807 [16:28] <Morrolan> On some networks +q is Owner, but on Esper it is muted.
#1808 [16:28] <mmce> morrolan u there?
#1809 [16:28] <Morrolan> One of Mibbit's flaws, which I'm astonished hasn't been fixed yet.
#1810 [16:29] <Denizen> well.
#1811 [16:29] <Morrolan> mmce - Ye.
#1812 [16:29] <Denizen> apparently it works.
#1813 [16:29] <mmce> srry i had to eat
#1814 [16:29] <xales> Denizen: Not quite :p
#1815 [16:29] <xales> *ahem*
#1816 [16:29] <xales> KHAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!
#1817 [16:29] <mmce> i installed the thing u sent me but the cmd still says the same
#1818 [16:29] <Denizen> ah.
#1819 [16:29] <mmce> forget wrote jave
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#1821 [16:30] <Denizen> <VoxelHead> Seriously; don't repeat characters like that. It's rude. (If you pasted something, don't do that either. Use pastebin.
#1822 [16:30] <mmce> alright i have jave 7 right now
#1823 [16:30] <mmce> and screen still goes blak
#1824 [16:31] <ShanMan1> .
#1825 [16:31] <Morrolan> Err, running out of ideas. Does your Windows username contain any special character like "!" or similar?
#1826 [16:31] <mmce> u wanna see that cmd thing now with this java?
#1827 [16:31] <mmce> no my username is the same as this one
#1828 [16:32] <Morrolan> Your Windows username? The one which you sign in to your computer?
#1829 [16:32] <Rikairchy> mmce: you're still havin issues?
#1830 [16:32] <mmce> yeah rikai
#1831 [16:32] <x-maria-x> How can I design my own objects?
#1832 [16:32] <mmce> my windows username is Filho
#1833 [16:32] <ShanMan1> If someone would be nice enough to PM me a gift code for minecraft I would do anything for them (non-money-wise)
#1834 [16:32] <Rikairchy> have you heard of teamviewer?
#1835 [16:32] <mmce> my mine user is mmce
#1836 [16:32] <mmce> yes rikair
#1837 [16:32] <Rikairchy> ShanMan1: dont solicit here
#1838 [16:32] <mmce> u have?
#1839 [16:32] <Rikairchy> yes
#1840 [16:32] <Rikairchy> feel like getting a little remote support?
#1841 [16:32] <ShanMan1> ?
#1842 [16:33] <mmce> xD ok
#1843 [16:33] <Morrolan> ShanMan1 - Out of curiosity, your initial claim that you bought it was a lie?
#1844 [16:33] <Rikairchy> PM me your numbahs
#1845 [16:33] <ShanMan1> Well the server doesn't think it
#1846 [16:33] <Rikairchy> ShanMan1: so you clarify it
#1847 [16:33] <ShanMan1> Obviously
#1848 [16:33] <Rikairchy> lol
#1849 [16:34] <Rikairchy> ShanMan1: have you truly purchased it?
#1850 [16:34] <ShanMan1> Holy Notch there's a lot of people in here
#1851 [16:34] <xales> ._.
#1852 [16:34] <Morrolan> Seeing as how he claimed that he had no way to buy it a few lines up, it's doubtful. ;)
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#1854 [16:34] <Denizen> there's 1500 people in a server on rizon
#1855 [16:34] <Denizen> err
#1856 [16:34] <Denizen> channel
#1857 [16:34] <Morrolan> You didn't really expet to get a premium account this way, did you. *sigh*
#1858 [16:35] <x-maria-x> How can I design my own blocks?
#1859 [16:35] <Morrolan> x-maria-x - You'll have to mod the game.
#1860 [16:35] <hartsell28> okay i give up. card does not allow international transactions and i just wasted that money on a card for nothing. why must everything be so complicated?? :(
#1861 [16:35] <Morrolan> hartsell28 - If the payment didn't suceed then you didn't get charged the money.
#1862 [16:35] <mmce> riaki how do i pm u?
#1863 [16:35] <Rikairchy> you can spend it on other things
#1864 [16:35] <Morrolan> Apart from that, those limitations are something the credit card provider enforces, nothing Mojang can do.
#1865 [16:35] <Rikairchy> mmce: type in /msg Rikairchy hi
#1866 [16:35] <ShanMan1> If you have been at "free minecraft gift codes" as much as I have, I'd do just about anything for one *is tired*
#1867 [16:35] <Rikairchy> from the slah on
#1868 [16:35] <Rikairchy> shash
#1869 [16:36] * ShanMan1 is tired of searching for Free Gift Codes
#1869 [16:36] <Morrolan> ShanMan1 - Earn money, give it to your parents, ask them to buy Minecraft for you, end of story.
#1870 [16:36] <Rikairchy> Morrolan can you kickban someone for solicitng?
#1871 [16:36] <Morrolan> Now, please, keep the soliciting out of here.
#1872 [16:36] <ShanMan1> k
#1873 [16:36] <ShanMan1> I'll be on my way then
#1874 [16:36] <Morrolan> I CAN, Rikairchy, but I won't do it just like that. ;)
#1875 [16:36] <Morrolan> I rarely ban.
#1876 [16:36] * xales bans Morrolan
#1876 [16:36] <Rikairchy> i gline on rare occasion
#1877 [16:36] <Rikairchy> Morrolan can just undo it
#1878 [16:36] * Morrolan slaps xales
#1878 [16:36] <xales> :D
#1879 [16:36] <Morrolan> Oh noes D:
#1880 [16:36] <Rikairchy> err
#1881 [16:36] <Rikairchy> /cs unban #minecrafthelp
#1882 [16:37] <xales> no no
#1883 [16:37] <xales> /ban #minecrafthelp
#1884 [16:37] <Rikairchy> nu
#1885 [16:37] <x-maria-x> FOR FUCK SAKE ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION!!!!
#1886 [16:37] * AuBot kicked x-maria-x from #minecrafthelp (Reason: -maria-x :Please keep it civil.)
#1887 [16:37] <Rikairchy> unban Morrolan D:
#1888 [16:37] <Rikairchy> hahaha
#1889 [16:37] <Morrolan> Hmm, I wonder why Vox didn't kick me.
#1890 [16:37] <Morrolan> Unless he doesn't enforce bans on ops.
#1891 [16:37] <Rikairchy> you're an op
#1892 [16:37] <Rikairchy> most likely it wont D:
#1893 [16:38] <xales> :p
#1894 [16:38] <mmce> rikairchy
#1895 [16:38] <xales> VoxelHead: *prod*
#1896 [16:38] <mmce> this thing doesnt send
#1897 [16:38] <mmce> or what?!?
#1898 [16:38] <Rikairchy> ?
#1899 [16:38] <Morrolan> Haha.
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#1901 [16:38] <Rikairchy> does chanserv respond to !ban and such here?
#1902 [16:38] <Morrolan> There's no Chanserv instance in here, so no.
#1903 [16:38] <mmce> rikai
#1904 [16:38] <mmce> 807
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#1906 [16:39] <Rikairchy> [16:37:23] * ChanServ sets mode: -b Morrolan!*@*
#1907 [16:39] <Morrolan> WAAAIT
#1908 [16:39] <mmce> 396
#1909 [16:39] <Morrolan> mmce - Use a private message
#1910 [16:39] <Morrolan> In god's name.
#1911 [16:39] <TheNoodle> That doesn't mean it's here Rikairchy
#1912 [16:39] <Rikairchy> D:
#1913 [16:39] <picklejuice290> why cant i buy minecraft with my credit or debit card
#1914 [16:39] <Rikairchy> Morrolan: i have his other information
#1915 [16:39] <Morrolan> picklejuice290 - Contact your credit card provider, ask them to unlock it for international transfers.
#1916 [16:39] <TheNoodle> A chanserv instance is represented through botserv, you can find a list of bots using /msg botserv botlist
#1917 [16:39] <Morrolan> Rikairchy - Okay.
#1918 [16:39] <picklejuice290> thanks
#1919 [16:40] * VoxelHead kicked Morro from #minecrafthelp (Reason: orro :Banned)
#1920 [16:40] <mmce> rikairchy u got it?
#1921 [16:40] <Morrolan> Yea, seems Vox doesn't enforce bans on ops.
#1922 [16:40] <Rikairchy> TheNoodle: i refer to chanserv as all collective bots
#1923 [16:40] <Rikairchy> we have a stupid amount
#1924 [16:40] <Rikairchy> 20 or something
#1925 [16:40] <Morrolan> And it would seem if op gets removed at the same time the ban gets added, nothing happens either.
#1926 [16:40] <mmce> rikai u got the id?
#1927 [16:40] <Rikairchy> yes but i need the pass.
#1928 [16:40] <Rikairchy> as i said repeatedly
#1929 [16:41] <mmce> there
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#1931 [16:47] <Rikairchy> mmce: next time give the whole story.
#1932 [16:47] <Rikairchy> Morrolan: I think I found the issue
#1933 [16:47] <Rikairchy> mmce is running an old pirated copy
#1934 [16:47] <Rikairchy> with the old launcher
#1935 [16:47] <Rikairchy> and now its failing because it tried to update it seems
#1936 [16:48] <Morrolan> Oh, nice work.
#1937 [16:48] <Rikairchy> and the native language isnt english D:
#1938 [16:48] <Rikairchy> I was so confused at first...
#1939 [16:48] <mmce> u could ask
#1940 [16:49] <Rikairchy> ask for your assistance in helping you pirate a game?
#1941 [16:49] <Rikairchy> I'll pass.
#1942 [16:50] <mmce> no ask for the language if u didnt understood it
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#1944 [16:50] <Rikairchy> I understood it.
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#1946 [16:50] <Rikairchy> well not the language, but how to get something done
#1947 [16:50] <Rikairchy> and your pirated launcher gave it away
#1948 [16:50] <Rikairchy> its an outdated, modified Minecraft Beta launcher
#1949 [16:51] <Rikairchy> if I understand correctly, piracy is not supported here
#1950 [16:51] <xales> correct
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#1952 [16:51] <diogoc> hey
#1953 [16:51] <diogoc> any mod here
#1954 [16:51] <Rikairchy> hi diogoc
#1955 [16:51] <Rikairchy> mod as in op?
#1956 [16:51] <Boreeas> Plenty
#1957 [16:51] <Boreeas> Plenty
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#1959 [16:51] <Rikairchy> or mod as in a server mod
#1960 [16:51] <diogoc> hey rikairchy
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#1962 [16:52] <diogoc> listen a friend of mine as a problem
#1963 [16:52] <diogoc> can u help him?
#1964 [16:52] <Boreeas> Maybe if you tell us his problem
#1965 [16:52] <Rikairchy> is it an issue on a server?
#1966 [16:54] <diogoc> my friend doesen't own minecraft because is parents doesen't let him buy so he has 2 use a cracked version, but the real problem is that when he logs in his account the screen goes black i understand if you can't help him
#1967 [16:54] <Rikairchy> didnt we just talk to said friend?
#1968 [16:54] <Rikairchy> mmce or whatever
#1969 [16:55] <diogoc> idk what's is name in here
#1970 [16:55] <xales> diogoc: We don't help people who do not own the game, and we don't help people bringing us SEP.
#1971 [16:55] <Rikairchy> [16:51:01] <Rikairchy> if I understand correctly, piracy is not supported here
#1972 [16:55] <diogoc> Ok i understand
#1973 [16:56] <diogoc> aff
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#1975 [16:56] <WikedBoy> hello
#1976 [16:56] <Rikairchy> hi
#1977 [16:56] <diogoc> can you guys tell me how to reduce lag?
#1978 [16:56] <Morrolan> Turn down view distance.
#1979 [16:56] <xales> diogoc: Turn down the graphics settings or get a better computer.
#1980 [16:56] <Morrolan> Install optifine.
#1981 [16:56] <Rikairchy> is it a suddon onset, or has it been creeping up?
#1982 [16:56] <Rikairchy> and optifog
#1983 [16:57] <WikedBoy> i need a advice
#1984 [16:57] <Morrolan> But the more permanent solution would be to buy a new computer indeed.
#1985 [16:57] <xales> WikedBoy: Let me guess.
#1986 [16:57] <diogoc> yeah i have a laptop i have so much memory free and it still lags
#1987 [16:57] <xales> diogoc: Laptops generally do not have sufficient graphics processors.
#1988 [16:57] <clarjon1> heh
#1989 [16:58] <WikedBoy> alright xales try to
#1990 [16:58] <Rikairchy> CLARJON UNO
#1991 [16:58] <clarjon1> Rikairchy: All toasters toast spaghetti!
#1992 [16:58] <xales> WikedBoy: You are using a cracked version and it doesn't work and you want us to help you, right?
#1993 [16:58] <WikedBoy> mmm no
#1994 [16:58] <clarjon1> WikedBoy: What's your minecraft username/
#1995 [16:58] <Rikairchy> dude i bought spaghetti today
#1996 [16:58] <diogoc> it as 297GB and i have 269GB free
#1997 [16:58] <Rikairchy> it had chicken instead of beef
#1998 [16:58] <xales> diogoc: HDD space is not relevant.
#1999 [16:58] <Rikairchy> diogoc: thats your hard drive space
#2000 [16:58] <clarjon1> diogoc: That's "Disk space"
#2001 [16:59] <WikedBoy> thats the thing i want to test minecraft first before i buy it is there some way to test it?
#2002 [16:59] <clarjon1> diogoc: not "memory" aka "RAM"
#2003 [16:59] <Rikairchy> WikedBoy: you could buy it
#2004 [16:59] <xales> WikedBoy: The next version of Minecraft will have a demo.
#2005 [16:59] <clarjon1> WikedBoy: Lotsa Spaghetti!
#2006 [16:59] <clarjon1> er
#2007 [16:59] <clarjon1> Rikairchy:
#2008 [16:59] <clarjon1> lol
#2009 [16:59] <Rikairchy> clarjon1: lotsa herps
#2010 [16:59] <diogoc> i was thinking buying a new pc not a laptop
#2011 [16:59] <Rikairchy> D:
#2012 [16:59] <Boreeas> ??> WikedBoy demo
#2013 [16:59] <VoxelHead> WikedBoy: (demo) Minecraft now has a demo available. PCGamer's article here: http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/04/19/download-the-minecraft-demo/ gives the details. In short, it has all the tools of Minecraft survival, and 'locks' itself after 90 minutes.
#2014 [16:59] <VoxelHead> WikedBoy: (demo) The Direct Download link is available here: http://is.gd/l507ow
#2015 [16:59] <WikedBoy> wow
#2016 [16:59] <Boreeas> That's a very old one though
#2017 [17:00] <Boreeas> Probably no longer representative of minecraft as it is now
#2018 [17:00] <diogoc> i was thinking one of chillblast
#2019 [17:00] <WikedBoy> thx
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#2023 [17:08] <Charles> i facing problem whitl play this game on computer, Need Help?
#2024 [17:08] <Rikairchy> the hell
#2025 [17:08] <Rikairchy> the hell
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#2027 [17:09] <Morrolan> Be a tad more specific please.
#2028 [17:09] <Charles> when i go to start the game it says i do not have the right drivers but mine are fully apdated.
#2029 [17:10] <Boreeas> ??> Charles win/dxdiag/bat
#2030 [17:10] <VoxelHead> Charles: (win/dxdiag/bat) Please download this file. Save it anywhere and run it. After a while it will show you a textfile. Paste the contents of that file on www.pastebin.com copy the link you are sent to, and paste it to us.
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#2032 [17:10] <VoxelHead> Charles: (win/dxdiag/bat) Windows DxDiag Collector: http://mcfaq.hfbgaming.com/tools/CreateDxdiag.bat
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#2034 [17:10] <BrowserHerror> how can i play on browser?
#2035 [17:10] <AzureBoreadae> Question: Would it be a bad idea to change the item-ids in the Forestry mod, as in, will it mess up any interactions with other compatible mods?
#2036 [17:11] <xales> AzureBoreadae: Try asking #forestry or #risucraft
#2037 [17:11] <xales> BrowserHerror: You shouldn't play in your browser; if at all possible, download it.
#2038 [17:11] <BrowserHerror> can i ask why?
#2039 [17:11] <AzureBoreadae> There is a forestry channel!? Derp!
#2040 [17:12] <xales> BrowserHerror: The game often doesn't run properly in the browser; it's not meant to.
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#2042 [17:13] <xales> BrowserHerror: In the browser? Pretty much.
#2043 [17:13] <xales> ??> BrowserHerror dont/pm
#2044 [17:13] <VoxelHead> BrowserHerror: (dont/pm) We prefer to assist people publicly, so that others can benefit if they have the similar questions. Please don't PM people who are assisting you unless they have asked you to, or you are sending private information.
#2045 [17:13] <BrowserHerror> ok
#2046 [17:13] <mani2020> Hi I need to force update how do I do it
#2047 [17:13] <xales> ??> mani2020 forceupdate
#2048 [17:13] <VoxelHead> mani2020: (forceupdate) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#2049 [17:13] <VoxelHead> mani2020: (forceupdate) To do so, start Minecraft, press 'Options' (above the 'Login' button), Press 'Force update!', then press 'Done', and login to Minecraft.
#2050 [17:15] <mani2020> I cant find the option buttoin
#2051 [17:15] <mani2020> i meant button
#2052 [17:16] <xales> mani2020: It's right beneath the "Login" button...
#2053 [17:16] <Morrolan> Above. :)
#2054 [17:16] <Morrolan> Silly xales. :3
#2055 [17:16] <xales> Morrolan: -_-
#2056 [17:16] <xales> Morrolan: EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG~!
#2057 [17:17] <mani2020> In minecraft.net
#2058 [17:17] <xales> mani2020: You have to download the game.
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#2062 [17:18] <Amnesia> hey
#2063 [17:18] <creeper_928> I bought my minecraft but everytime i go to play it goes to a black screen
#2064 [17:18] <xales> Morrolan: ^
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#2066 [17:18] <xales> Morrolan: Is that still usually drivers? :p
#2067 [17:19] <Amnesia> any mod in here?
#2068 [17:19] <xales> Amnesia: What do you want?
#2069 [17:19] <Amnesia> can u giveme the ip for a server?
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#2071 [17:19] <xales> Amnesia: http://minestatus.net/
#2072 [17:19] <Elystus|afk> xales: that is usually a problematic frame, i.e. driver error.
#2073 [17:20] <Amnesia> Im SlenderMan
#2074 [17:20] <creeper_928> i dont no i have tried things that the internet has said but still wont work
#2075 [17:20] <xales> ??> creeper_928 win/dxdiag
#2076 [17:20] <VoxelHead> creeper_928: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#2077 [17:20] <VoxelHead> creeper_928: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#2078 [17:20] <Elystus> ^
#2079 [17:20] <Rikairchy> ^^
#2080 [17:21] <Amnesia> Thx xales
#2081 [17:22] <Charles> What should i do about opening it and it telling me it cannot find open gl drivers
#2082 [17:22] <Morrolan> xales - Or Java, or "!" in username. ^^
#2083 [17:22] <Morrolan> Or a pirated launcher, seemingly.
#2084 [17:22] <xales> Charles: Update your drivers.
#2085 [17:23] <Charles> Xales:they are fully updated
#2086 [17:23] <xales> ??> Charles win/dxdiag
#2087 [17:23] <VoxelHead> Charles: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#2088 [17:23] <VoxelHead> Charles: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
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#2090 [17:29] <creeper_928> my minecraft wont work everytime i go to play it it goes to a black screen
#2091 [17:30] <xales> ??> creeper_928 win/dxdiag
#2092 [17:30] <VoxelHead> creeper_928: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#2093 [17:30] <VoxelHead> creeper_928: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#2094 [17:31] <creeper_928> i am on the windows computer and where exactly is the Win+R keys at
#2095 [17:31] <creeper_928> i cant find them
#2096 [17:31] <Morrolan> the win key is the windows key with the little flag, lower left
#2097 [17:32] <Morrolan> R is, well, R
#2098 [17:32] <Elystus> ??> creeper_928 win/winkey/image
#2099 [17:32] <Elystus> ;-;
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#2101 [17:33] <Morrolan> ?? win/key
#2102 [17:33] <VoxelHead> win/key: Hold down the Windows key (between Control and Alt, usually to the left of the space bar), and then press the other specified key. Think of it as typing a capital letter, but using that key instead of Shift.
#2103 [17:33] <Rain> Anyone here who can help me? I bought minecraft during the beta stage (I think it was this stage) And now its saying my email is invalid
#2104 [17:33] <Morrolan> ?? win/key/image
#2105 [17:33] <VoxelHead> win/key/image: WARNING: May not appear exactly as shown. http://daily-grind.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Windows-Key-722215.jpg
#2106 [17:33] <Morrolan> There we go.
#2107 [17:33] <Morrolan> Rain - What exactly does it say?
#2108 [17:34] <Rain> E-mail not on record
#2109 [17:34] <Morrolan> When do you get that error?
#2110 [17:35] <Rain> When I try to send an email to myself so i can find out my account details
#2111 [17:35] <Rain> in the forgot username section
#2112 [17:35] <Morrolan> And are you 100% sure that you are using the correct e-mail address?
#2113 [17:35] <Morrolan> I.e. do you still have the confirmation mail in your mail account?
#2114 [17:35] <Rain> I'm not 100% sure
#2115 [17:35] <Rain> but I only have two accounts
#2116 [17:36] <Rain> my hotmail one
#2117 [17:36] <Rain> and my uni one
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#2119 [17:36] <Rain> and neither of them work
#2120 [17:36] <sqroid> dumb new question here - i downloaded minecraft from get-minecraft.com, signed up an account, but the app says I'm not premium. Do I have to pay to play at all?
#2121 [17:36] <Morrolan> sqroid - That is not the official site.
#2122 [17:36] <Elystus> ^
#2123 [17:36] <sqroid> sigh
#2124 [17:36] <Morrolan> sqroid - YOu have to buy a premium account on www.minecraft.net to be able to play it.
#2125 [17:36] <sqroid> cost?
#2126 [17:36] <sqroid> i'll find out
#2127 [17:36] <sqroid> thx
#2128 [17:36] <Morrolan> twenty-something euros.
#2129 [17:36] <Elystus> 20 euros or 27 dollars
#2130 [17:36] <sqroid> per month or total?
#2131 [17:36] <Morrolan> Total.
#2132 [17:36] <Elystus> totla
#2133 [17:37] <Elystus> total*
#2134 [17:37] <sqroid> i've become addicted to tekkit with duncan
#2135 [17:37] <sqroid> and now i'm afraid i'm about to lose my life to this game
#2136 [17:37] <sqroid> XD
#2137 [17:38] <Rain> Any ideas for my situation
#2138 [17:38] <sqroid> i probably don't have anything value added, but please repeat and i'll try (:
#2139 [17:38] <Morrolan> None here works for Mojang, so we can only offer solutions and ideas which don't require access to the database I'm afraid.
#2140 [17:39] <Morrolan> You _could_ contact Mojang, but they are currently working on emails from two months ago.
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#2142 [17:39] <Rain> I have no idea how to contact them without signing up for another account
#2143 [17:39] <Wikedboy> someone still there
#2144 [17:39] <sqroid> if you run your own server can you make your own items from null?
#2145 [17:39] <Wikedboy> xalves u there?
#2146 [17:39] <creeper_928> is that all if so Thanks
#2147 [17:39] <xales> Wikedboy: Yes...?
#2148 [17:39] <xales> Rain: http://help.mojang.com/
#2149 [17:40] <Wikedboy> xales i bought the game but idk why but i cant play
#2150 [17:40] <xales> sqroid: What do you mean?
#2151 [17:40] <xales> Wikedboy: Did you really buy it this time? You'll have to wait until the payment clears.
#2152 [17:40] <Morrolan> Rain - You could contact them here, if you want: http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/emails/new
#2153 [17:40] <Morrolan> But as I said, they are somewhat behind.
#2154 [17:40] <Morrolan> My bet is that you registered with a different e-mail, since I've never heard of an account registration just disappearing.
#2155 [17:41] <sqroid> xales: i'm guessing i can run my own minecraft server, if so, and if I do so, can I give myself items without having to build/harvest them?
#2156 [17:41] <Morrolan> Now even if you'd contact Mojang, they couldn't do much without you being able to provide a transaction ID. (CHeck PayPal / Credit card statements)
#2157 [17:41] <Morrolan> sqroid - Yes, you can do that.
#2158 [17:41] <xales> sqroid: That's correct. You can do that in single-player, as well.
#2159 [17:42] <Wikedboy> xales i really bought it --"why would i say that if i didnt
#2160 [17:42] <sqroid> is it hard to get started in multiplayer, as in people will kill you because you're weak (like MMO's)?
#2161 [17:42] <Wikedboy> im having from what im reading similar to creeper
#2162 [17:42] <xales> sqroid: There are some servers like that, but generally, servers are more about cooperating than war.
#2163 [17:42] <sqroid> any recommendations for servers?
#2164 [17:43] <Wikedboy> similar problems*
#2165 [17:43] <DiskDaemon> Wikedboy: If you really bought it then you will have bank records that show the transaction id. Mojang cannot do anything without proof of purchase
#2166 [17:43] <Wikedboy> i know that disk that is not the problem
#2167 [17:43] <Amnesia> 1.3 is coming out when?
#2168 [17:44] <xales> Wikedboy: What is the username you bought it under?
#2169 [17:44] <Rain> how would i find the record from a year ago on my online banking?
#2170 [17:44] <xales> Rain: You'd have to ask your bank.
#2171 [17:44] <Wikedboy> wikedboydb
#2172 [17:44] <xales> Amnesia: Eventually.
#2173 [17:44] <sqroid> i save all screenshots of stuff like that
#2174 [17:44] <xales> sqroid: There's a server list here: http://minestatus.net/
#2175 [17:44] <Amnesia> -.-
#2176 [17:44] <xales> !paid wikedboydb
#2177 [17:44] <Wikedboy> the fak?!?!
#2178 [17:44] <xales> Wikedboy: Our records show you have not paid for Minecraft, and until you have, we are unable to assist you.
#2179 [17:44] <sqroid> !paid wickedboy
#2180 [17:44] <xales> If you have only just bought it, you will need to wait for the transaction to clear.
#2181 [17:45] <Wikedboy> i bought it like 5 min ago
#2182 [17:45] <DiskDaemon> Wikedboy: http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/329519-when-will-i-receive-my-premium-status-
#2183 [17:46] <sqroid> is this game worth losing your life to?
#2184 [17:46] <sqroid> it sure looks fun and addictive
#2185 [17:47] <xales> sqroid: Many people have done it, so, I'd say so.
#2186 [17:47] <Rain> i found the payment
#2187 [17:48] <sqroid> many people voted for, oh nevermind <G>
#2188 [17:49] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: I need to figure out some formula that will give out a recommended amount of ram to allocate to minecraft depending on how much available ram you have.
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#2190 [17:50] <Elystus> Got any ideas?
#2191 [17:50] <xales> Elystus: $AVAILABLE-512MB
#2192 [17:50] <xales> It doesn't hurt to give it more than it needs. :p
#2193 [17:50] <Elystus> xales: It can, if you give it too much
#2194 [17:50] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: Yep, use the formula from the http://canihostaminecraftserver.com/ site. I summarised it a few days ago. Checking logs
#2195 [17:50] <xales> Elystus: Eh, only if it starts being stupid.
#2196 [17:51] <Boreeas> xales: Too much RAM causes the garbage collector to run less often, but when it runs, it creates lag spikes
#2197 [17:51] <xales> Boreeas: -Xincgc
#2198 [17:53] <Wikedboy> !paid xales
#2199 [17:53] <Wikedboy> !paid xales
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#2201 [17:53] <sqroid> is the paid based on if your irc username matches your game username?
#2202 [17:53] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: max networking players = min(upSpeed, downSpeed * 2) * 3 or a max of 12 people per gig of memory
#2203 [17:53] <xales> sqroid: No, it checks if the supplied name is marked as premium
#2204 [17:53] <xales> !paid jeb_
#2205 [17:54] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: This won't work in the current situation
#2206 [17:54] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: It will end up recommending too much.
#2207 [17:55] <sqroid> so basically give it the most amount of RAM you can while not causing the garbage collector to stop
#2208 [17:55] <Elystus> sqroidL I could just create an if statement to cap it.
#2209 [17:55] <xales> Or just give it a huge amount and turn on the incremental collector.
#2210 [17:55] <sqroid> that's it!
#2211 [17:55] <Elystus> I will cap it at 2 gigs I guess
#2212 [17:55] <Elystus> I will cap it at 2 gigs I guess
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#2214 [17:56] <Elystus> I guess the simplest would be: available ram/2 with a cap of 2gigs
#2215 [17:56] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: Does the http://canihostaminecraftserver.com/ also recommend too much?
#2216 [17:56] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: yea
#2217 [17:56] <Elystus> I got it figured out though
#2218 [17:57] * Elystus goes to redo the entire program.
#2218 [17:58] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: The ram/12 part only applies if the bandwidth can take it. The bandwidth is by far the more common limiter of how many players there can be
#2219 [17:58] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: Not talking about a server lol, I am talking about just allocating ram to the launcher.
#2220 [17:58] <Morrolan> For home connections, atleast. :)
#2221 [17:58] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: Because people have not idea what to allocate.
#2222 [17:59] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: Ahh, the launcher. I have some figures here for that
#2223 [18:00] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: Open up the spoiler at http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/343030-minecraft-speedoptimization-guide-v-23-5-updated-on-may-24/#cl
#2224 [18:00] <Elystus> .-. capacity
#2225 [18:01] <DiskDaemon> 384mb for vanilla, 512mb for a few new mobs or high res texture pack, 1024 for lots of new move (mocreatures) and super high res, etc...
#2226 [18:01] <Morrolan> Huh.
#2227 [18:01] <Morrolan> That is much lower than I'd have thought.
#2228 [18:02] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: That gives me some good figures to work with
#2229 [18:03] <Crusaway> Oh guys, my friend is having a problem. I had the same problem, but my fix didn't fix his issue. Minecraft keeps freezing on medium fog, and crashes on far fog. He uses a 32-bit os because it is faster on his Lappy.
#2230 [18:04] <DiskDaemon> With Minecraft, it recommended to launch with less memory. The default game runs perfectly well on 246mb, so 384mb as a recommendation for the vanilla game is a good balance
#2231 [18:05] <DiskDaemon> CrusaderDeleters: We would want a dxdiag report from his machine, to begin a diagnosis
#2232 [18:05] <CrusaderDeleters> Alright, I'll get back to you with the DXDiag information when he comes back online.
#2233 [18:05] <sqroid> so there's no freeware/shareware/trial version of MC available?
#2234 [18:06] <CrusaderDeleters> Oh, there is a trial.
#2235 [18:06] <Morrolan> ?? demo
#2236 [18:06] <VoxelHead> demo: Minecraft now has a demo available. PCGamer's article here: http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/04/19/download-the-minecraft-demo/ gives the details. In short, it has all the tools of Minecraft survival, and 'locks' itself after 90 minutes.
#2237 [18:06] <sqroid> does it sux0r?
#2238 [18:06] <VoxelHead> demo: The Direct Download link is available here: http://is.gd/l507ow
#2239 [18:06] <Morrolan> Outdated version for PC only.
#2240 [18:06] <xales> sqroid: There is a very old demo available; the next version of Minecraft will have a proper demo.
#2241 [18:06] <Morrolan> But it's still more updated than classic.
#2242 [18:06] <CrusaderDeleters> It's not that bad.
#2243 [18:06] <CrusaderDeleters> It's fairly recent, actually
#2244 [18:06] <sqroid> can i fly in the demo?
#2245 [18:06] <Morrolan> But yea, suggest you wait for the next version, to get a full taste of all the new bugs. :)
#2246 [18:06] <CrusaderDeleters> Lol.
#2247 [18:06] <sqroid> i just wanna build a house and fly and tinker :>
#2248 [18:06] <DiskDaemon> CrusaderDeleters: How would you like us to help?
#2249 [18:07] <CrusaderDeleters> Uhm... I don't know. I'll try to get him connected here, too.
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#2252 [18:07] <xales> sqroid: If you want the "Full Minecraft Experience," it's really worth buying.
#2253 [18:08] <DiskDaemon> CrusaderDeleters: good idea :)
#2254 [18:08] <CrusaderDeleters> Minecraft is worth buying.
#2255 [18:08] <CrusaderDeleters> It lasted me so far two years and it only cost me 15 dollars.
#2256 [18:08] <sqroid> thats what im afraid of ^_^
#2257 [18:08] <CrusaderDeleters> (almost) two years.
#2258 [18:08] <sqroid> i dont have 2 years to give lol
#2259 [18:08] <CrusaderDeleters> :c
#2260 [18:08] <sqroid> too much crap to do
#2261 [18:08] <lemon-rev> sqroid scrap the crap and just play it, and pay for it :P
#2262 [18:09] <sqroid> dont worry im not gonna pirate
#2263 [18:09] <sqroid> i'm gonna get to it :)
#2264 [18:09] <CrusaderDeleters> I only pirate crap if I can't afford/pay for it. :c
#2265 [18:09] <CrusaderDeleters> Or if I am afraid my mother will rage if I use any more of my money. :I
#2266 [18:09] <sqroid> lol im too old for this!
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#2268 [18:10] <CrusaderDeleters> Don't worry, Minecraft is a game for anyone's age.
#2269 [18:10] <sqroid> i've been watching duncan for a few days now and im afraid my life is about to be over
#2270 [18:10] <CrusaderDeleters> :o
#2271 [18:10] <CrusaderDeleters> duncan?
#2272 [18:10] <Morrolan> It's only that bad for the first month. ;)
#2273 [18:10] <sqroid> tekkit with duncan on youtube
#2274 [18:10] <Morrolan> After a year it's just a game you play every now and then.
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#2276 [18:10] <Tekkit_> 5
#2277 [18:11] <Morrolan> So just make sure you have enough to eat for a month, and go ahead :P
#2278 [18:11] <Tekkit_> how d
#2279 [18:11] <Tekkit_> i bought minecraft, but it won't let me play it
#2280 [18:11] <lemon-rev> tekkit did you mod minecraft
#2281 [18:12] <Tekkit_> no. i just bought it, and im waiting for it to process. its been 2 hours
#2282 [18:12] <xales> Tekkit_: Does it say "User not premium"?
#2283 [18:12] <Tekkit_> yea.
#2284 [18:12] <xales> Tekkit_: http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/329519-when-will-i-receive-my-premium-status-
#2285 [18:13] <Tekkit_> thanks
#2286 [18:13] <Devoided> Can anyone help me? I just got a new computer and installed the minecraft launcher.. When I run it the launhcer comes up burt there is no news feed, just the grey background. If I try to log in I just get 'Can't connect to Minecraft.net' Also, there is a HTML code at the top of the launcher.
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#2288 [18:13] <Devoided> but*
#2289 [18:13] <xales> Devoided: Sure, should be pretty simple to fix.
#2290 [18:13] <xales> Devoided: Go to Control Panel, and Program & Features, and remove Java. If it's there more than once, remove all of them.
#2291 [18:13] <xales> Then go install it again from this link:
#2292 [18:13] <xales> ??> Devoided getjava
#2293 [18:13] <VoxelHead> Devoided: (getjava) You can get the latest release of Java 1.6 here: http://java.com/en/download/manual_v6.jsp
#2294 [18:14] <Devoided> Okay
#2295 [18:14] <Tekkit_> i did it, and it said it may take 3-5 buisiness days. is this true?]
#2296 [18:14] <xales> Tekkit_: If you paid using a bank transfer, then yes, it will take that long.
#2297 [18:14] <Tekkit_> ok
#2298 [18:14] <xales> If you paid using a debit/credit card, or other immediate funding, it will usually take less than 24 hours.
#2299 [18:14] <CrusaderDeleters> Actually morro, Minecraft keeps me busy ALL the time.
#2300 [18:14] <Tekkit_> we used a debit card. is it the same?
#2301 [18:14] <CrusaderDeleters> I keep finding new stuff to do.
#2302 [18:15] <xales> Tekkit_: If you used a debit card, then as I just said, it should take less than 24 hours.
#2303 [18:15] <Tekkit_> ok
#2304 [18:15] <xales> If it has been over 24 hours and your account is still not premium, check with your bank to make sure the transaction has completed.
#2305 [18:15] <sqroid> i heard this game is for xbox360, what about ps3?
#2306 [18:15] <xales> sqroid: Mojang has an exclusivity contract with Microsoft.
#2307 [18:15] <sqroid> meh
#2308 [18:16] <DiskDaemon> Microsoft paid them lots of money for exclusive rights
#2309 [18:16] * xales will be back in a bit
#2309 [18:16] * xales will be back in a bit
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#2311 [18:19] <Devoided> Okay, I uninstalled all of the versions of java that I had then installed the 64 bit from here http://java.com/en/download/manual_v6.jsp but when I try to launch minecraft a document appears in my folder named 'hs_err_pid5040'
#2312 [18:20] <lemon-rev> devoided are you on windows 64 or 32 ?
#2313 [18:20] <Devoided> I am on windows 64
#2314 [18:20] <lemon-rev> hum,
#2315 [18:20] <sqroid> http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/196587-crash-immediately-after-login/
#2316 [18:21] <lemon-rev> Devoided try the 32 bit of java as well as the 64 bit, just java.com < hit the red button :)
#2317 [18:21] <sqroid> see chuckaknuckle's post
#2318 [18:21] <Devoided> Alright
#2319 [18:24] <Devoided> I know have both the 32 bit and 64 bit yet the error still appears
#2320 [18:25] <Devoided> now*
#2321 [18:26] <lemon-rev> devoided do you know how to check for your video card drivers ?
#2322 [18:27] <Devoided> I have a document with all of my components but I don't see video card drivers anywhere. I do see video adapter and graphics card though.
#2323 [18:28] <lemon-rev> devoided try typeing in your start menu if your running win 7 in the box at the bottem of the start menu type in dxdiag hit enter
#2324 [18:30] <Devoided> 'Do you want to check if your drivers are digitally signed' Came up
#2325 [18:30] <lemon-rev> it can help, but not realy
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#2328 [18:31] <Devoided> So what should I do?
#2329 [18:31] <lemon-rev> ok click on drivers
#2330 [18:31] <lemon-rev> tab
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#2332 [18:32] <lemon-rev> check the date and what your video card is and tell us what the video card is, so i can look up the driver for you
#2333 [18:33] <Devoided> There is no drivers tab.'System Display Sound 1 Sound 2 input' are the tabs I see.
#2334 [18:33] <DiskDaemon> ??> Devoided win/dxdiag
#2335 [18:33] <VoxelHead> Devoided: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#2336 [18:33] <VoxelHead> Devoided: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#2337 [18:34] <DiskDaemon> Devoided: Do you see the "Save All Information" button?
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#2339 [18:35] <Devoided> Umm win+r key?
#2340 [18:35] <lemon-rev> windows key your already in dxdiag so just continue
#2341 [18:35] <Nathan2055> What is the best way to find nether forts?
#2342 [18:35] <Nathan2055> I've spent about two weeks scouring the area around my portal spawn and have drawn a blank.
#2343 [18:35] <lemon-rev> Nathan2055 hunt the neather :P just keep on exploreing theres no easy way
#2344 [18:36] <sqroid> get a jetpack :P
#2345 [18:36] <lemon-rev> cant tell you then Nathan2055 could be really far off never know with mc :)
#2346 [18:36] <DiskDaemon> Once you do find one, other ones spawn roughly in a north/south direction from there
#2347 [18:37] <Nathan2055> How do I activate another portal without respawning at my old one?
#2348 [18:37] <Nathan2055> North is f=1, correct?
#2349 [18:37] <DiskDaemon> Nathan2055: temporarily remove the portals that you won't want to respawn at
#2350 [18:37] <Nathan2055> Enter, destroy, die?
#2351 [18:38] <Devoided> http://pastebin.com/RtUtjURT
#2352 [18:38] <DiskDaemon> Nathan2055: The http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Debug_screen page says ""
#2353 [18:38] <Rikairchy> “”””””””””””””
#2354 [18:39] <Rikairchy> hi VoxelHead
#2355 [18:39] <DiskDaemon> Nathan2055: I ended up going to the Nether, removing all of the portal fields, put my items in a chest, and then die in lava to get back to the Overworld. From there, a new Nether will spawn.
#2356 [18:39] <Rikairchy> go die, kthxbai
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#2358 [18:39] <Nathan2055> Can somebody kick him?
#2359 [18:39] <DiskDaemon> Nathan2055: That's needed, because you need to travel a huge distance in the Overworld before you get out of range of existing Nether portals.
#2360 [18:40] <Nathan2055> Right. I wish Mojang would fix that.
#2361 [18:40] <Rikairchy> they did it on purpose
#2362 [18:41] <DiskDaemon> Nathan2055: The Ender Chest can help with that now
#2363 [18:41] <Sir_Gaming13> hello i bought mminecraft and it said purchase confirmed do i have to wait for them to send me an email and i confirm it before i can download minecraft and play it
#2364 [18:42] <DiskDaemon> Sir_Gaming13: http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/329519-when-will-i-receive-my-premium-status-
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#2366 [18:42] <sqroid> i'm noticing a recurring theme here
#2367 [18:42] <Rikairchy> Sir_Gaming13: whats your minecraft username?
#2368 [18:43] <Hosstyle> Who me?
#2369 [18:43] <Sir_Gaming13> Sir_Gaming13
#2370 [18:43] <Hosstyle> Oh xD
#2371 [18:43] <sqroid> !paid sir_gaming13
#2372 [18:43] <Rikairchy> you beat me
#2373 [18:43] <sqroid> hee hee
#2374 [18:43] <Hosstyle> Um, can anyone help me with a error?
#2375 [18:43] <Hosstyle> *an
#2376 [18:43] <Sir_Gaming13> said purchase confirmed
#2377 [18:43] <sqroid> it can take up to 24 hours
#2378 [18:43] <Rikairchy> Sir_Gaming13: gotta wait for it to propogate
#2379 [18:43] <sqroid> as per the link
#2380 [18:44] <DiskDaemon> Hosstyle: sure
#2381 [18:44] <Nathan2055> !paid Punchwood
#2382 [18:44] <Sir_Gaming13> so did i pay for it
#2383 [18:44] <Nathan2055> Paul's alternate account.
#2384 [18:44] <Rikairchy> !paid Rikairchy
#2385 [18:44] <sqroid> AuBot = AustraliaBot or GoldBot?
#2386 [18:44] <Rikairchy> !paid Rikai
#2387 [18:44] <DiskDaemon> Nathan2055: Please don't abuse the bot
#2388 [18:44] <Hosstyle> So do i PM you or something?
#2389 [18:45] <sqroid> i wanna play MC so bad, but if i have to wait 24 hours, that's just no good
#2390 [18:45] <DiskDaemon> ?? dont/pm
#2391 [18:45] <VoxelHead> dont/pm: We prefer to assist people publicly, so that others can benefit if they have the similar questions. Please don't PM people who are assisting you unless they have asked you to, or you are sending private information.
#2392 [18:45] <Sir_Gaming13> yes i did pay or no i didnt
#2393 [18:45] <sqroid> you've covered your bases
#2394 [18:46] * DiskDaemon makes cuppa tea
#2394 [18:46] <Sir_Gaming13> so i should get an email
#2395 [18:46] <Hosstyle> Oh sorry
#2396 [18:47] <Hosstyle> Um so, i installed a TNT mod and I previously had installed Wireless redstone mod
#2397 [18:47] <Sir_Gaming13> hello anyone there?
#2398 [18:47] <Hosstyle> and it gave me this error: cpw.mods.fml.common.LoaderException: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Slot 126 is already occupied by BlockRedstoneWirelessT@9ad5d46 when adding BlockNuke@54c6a3a0
#2399 [18:48] <Sir_Gaming13> will i get an email to accept or no
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#2401 [18:49] <Boreeas> Hosstyle: You have conflicting mods
#2402 [18:49] <Boreeas> Hosstyle: Try contacting the mod's creators for help with that.
#2403 [18:49] <DiskDaemon> Hosstyle: And I'm sorry, but we can't help with mods in this channel
#2404 [18:49] <DiskDaemon> ??> Hosstyle mods
#2405 [18:49] <VoxelHead> Hosstyle: (mods) This channel is not a venue for mod support, or support for modded servers. As it is impossible for anybody to know every combination of mods out there, this channel does not assist with unofficial third-party modded content.
#2406 [18:49] <VoxelHead> Hosstyle: (mods) For single player mods, contact the mod's creator or try http://tiny.cc/modinstall for general installation instructions. For bukkit help, use #bukkit; you can also search Google for a mod's installation instructions.
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#2408 [18:50] <Hosstyle> Damn, alright well thanks anyways!
#2409 [18:50] <Hosstyle> You guys have a good day,
#2410 [18:50] <Hosstyle> You guys have a good day,
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#2412 [18:51] <Sir_Gaming13_> hey can anybody help i bought minecraft it said purchased confirmed do i have to wait for an emil so i can download an play
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#2415 [18:52] <Sir_Gaming13_> hello
#2416 [18:52] <Sir_Gaming13_> anyone there?
#2417 [18:52] <DiskDaemon> yes indeed
#2418 [18:53] <Sir_Gaming13_> so do i have to wait for an email
#2419 [18:53] <DiskDaemon> Sir_Gaming13_: Have you read this? http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/329519-when-will-i-receive-my-premium-status-
#2420 [18:55] <Sir_Gaming13_> still havet gotten email
#2421 [18:56] <DiskDaemon> Sir_Gaming13_: Which email domain are you using?
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#2423 [18:58] <PanchoVillauno> hello
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#2425 [19:00] <DiskDaemon> ?? ask
#2426 [19:00] <VoxelHead> ask: Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help with, and be as specific as possible.
#2427 [19:00] <VoxelHead> ask: If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#2428 [19:00] <PanchoVillauno> I'm trying to purchase the game with a visa gift card but I'm having issues with this, its states the transaction could'nt be processed.
#2429 [19:01] <DiskDaemon> PanchoVillauno: America blocks gift cards for overseas transactions
#2430 [19:01] <PanchoVillauno> I purchased this card in the USA texas
#2431 [19:02] <PanchoVillauno> so what is the best way to purchase the game?
#2432 [19:02] <DiskDaemon> PanchoVillauno: Therefore, you are in America, and are restricted to not using the gift card for overseas transactions
#2433 [19:03] <lemon-rev> guys what would be blocking mincraft from running EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION < with that error if av / firewall is still off ?
#2434 [19:03] <DiskDaemon> PanchoVillauno: With a credit card or paypal.
#2435 [19:03] <DiskDaemon> lemon-rev: Is there more details to that which can be pasted to pastebin.com ?
#2436 [19:04] <lemon-rev> hm, yea ill see if i can get him to do that
#2437 [19:04] <PanchoVillauno> okay I can do paypal......is there a link to paypal with mincraft
#2438 [19:04] <DiskDaemon> PanchoVillauno: I don't know what you mean with that
#2439 [19:05] <PanchoVillauno> when going to paypal website, is there going to be a link saying to purchase the game?
#2440 [19:06] <DiskDaemon> There is at the minecraft site
#2441 [19:06] <lemon-rev> http://pastebin.com/byWFtCTR < ok frm the guy thats having trouble, looks like a driver prob but hes just updated
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#2443 [19:07] <DiskDaemon> lemon-rev: That all depends on how he's updated. Let's get some dxdiag details for his system
#2444 [19:07] <PanchoVillauno> okay can I use the visa gift card on paypal?
#2445 [19:08] <DiskDaemon> PanchoVillauno: I do not know how paypal works in regard to gift cards
#2446 [19:08] <lemon-rev> well i told him to update his video drivers from nvidia and hes done that, but the dx was posted a little while ago in here, give me ticki ill see if i can find it
#2447 [19:08] <PanchoVillauno> okay, thanks for the help guys.
#2448 [19:09] <DiskDaemon> lemon-rev: Is this with Devoided ?
#2449 [19:09] <Devoided> Huh?
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#2451 [19:10] <DiskDaemon> Devoided: Just trying to work out if lemon-rev is trying to help someone in this channel
#2452 [19:11] <lemon-rev> <Devoided> http://pastebin.com/RtUtjURT
#2453 [19:11] <Devoided> As far as I'm aware that would be me
#2454 [19:11] <lemon-rev> Devoided < is the guy
#2455 [19:11] <DiskDaemon> Yeah, this is why we don't use PM to help poeple. It's just bloody confusing.
#2456 [19:11] <DiskDaemon> Devoided: You have a laptop with switchable graphics.
#2457 [19:12] <DiskDaemon> ??> Devoided gpu/discrete
#2458 [19:12] <VoxelHead> Devoided: (gpu/discrete) Some laptops have 'discrete GPUs', which detect when games and the like are being run, and switch from the weaker GPU (usually Intel) to the strong (usually AMD or NVIDIA). Unfortunately, the mode detection is not foolproof, and Minecraft is often not detected as a graphics-intensive program, even though it is.
#2459 [19:12] <VoxelHead> Devoided: (gpu/discrete) Some possible fixes for this are installing a more capable Intel GPU driver, or changing a BIOS setting to always use the better GPU. Details on each of these options can be found at http://bit.ly/ORHfpX
#2460 [19:12] <Devoided> I'm not using a laptop :/
#2461 [19:13] <DiskDaemon> Pardon, that'a s common issue with multiple graphcis cards. I'll see what details I can find
#2462 [19:14] <DiskDaemon> Devoided: The graphics driver you're using are version 8.17, which are pretty old now
#2463 [19:14] <DiskDaemon> ??> Devoided gpu/nvidia
#2464 [19:14] <VoxelHead> Devoided: (gpu/nvidia) You can get drivers for NVIDIA video cards here: http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx
#2465 [19:15] <Devoided> Lemon-rev had me update my drivers about 20 minutes ago. Did I do it wrong?
#2466 [19:16] <DiskDaemon> Devoided: What was the link for the drivers that you used?
#2467 [19:16] <DiskDaemon> Devoided: Is that dxdiag report from before or after you performed the update?
#2468 [19:16] <lemon-rev> i just gave him the link to put the details in to nvida and put the details in , since i told him the video card that was on his system
#2469 [19:18] <Devoided> The link?
#2470 [19:18] <Devoided> The report was from before the dxdiag
#2471 [19:19] <DiskDaemon> Devoided: Please give us a new dxdiag report
#2472 [19:19] <lemon-rev> DiskDaemon http://www.geforce.com/drivers < thats basicly just where i put him told him the graphiics card was 550 nvidia which came out on the dxdiag
#2473 [19:20] <Devoided> http://pastebin.com/XbUbUhni
#2474 [19:20] <Devoided> That is the report from after the upddate
#2475 [19:20] <Devoided> update
#2476 [19:22] <DiskDaemon> Okay, so given the recent update of your graphics card, it's fair to assume that things are updated with that as best as practical
#2477 [19:23] <Devoided> So then thats not why it won't work?
#2478 [19:24] <DiskDaemon> Devoided: Are you running Norton software?
#2479 [19:25] <Devoided> Mcafee but I turned it off.
#2480 [19:25] <DiskDaemon> No, the antivirus will only affect updating of the software. You should leave that on
#2481 [19:26] <Devoided> So keep firewalls on?
#2482 [19:26] <DiskDaemon> I'm seeing what I can find out about the issue from http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6358748
#2483 [19:26] <DiskDaemon> Yes, keep your security measures up
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#2485 [19:28] <DiskDaemon> It's said that something else installed a buggy version of ntdll.dll at this page http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120405123030AAv1VA3
#2486 [19:29] <DiskDaemon> Devoided: Where do you get that exception access violation message? Is shown as a dialog, or in a file of some kind?
#2487 [19:29] <Devoided> Whenever I attempt to launch minecraft a text file apperas in the folder that I have minecraft in
#2488 [19:30] <DiskDaemon> Devoided: And at this thread, the issue is caused by having mismatched memory sticks http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1909699.html
#2489 [19:31] <DiskDaemon> It's a dell computer, so I hope that there is some way to fix things for it to work
#2490 [19:31] <Devoided> thanks
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#2492 [19:32] <DiskDaemon> Devoided: I suggest that you remove all graphics drivers using Driver Sweeper, and then reinstall the most recent drivers.
#2493 [19:33] <Devoided> Sounds complex
#2494 [19:34] <Devoided> Which Java is needed?
#2495 [19:34] <DiskDaemon> Devoided: You could try to update the Intel drivers for your other graphics chip, in case that's related
#2496 [19:34] <DiskDaemon> Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000
#2497 [19:34] <Devoided> How do I do that?
#2498 [19:35] <DiskDaemon> Devoided: Minecraft is made for Java 6, but it works with Java 7. Your problem is not causes by the java version
#2499 [19:35] <DiskDaemon> ??> Devoided gpu/intel
#2500 [19:35] <VoxelHead> Devoided: (gpu/intel) You can get drivers for Intel video cards and chipsets here: http://downloadcenter.intel.com/
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#2502 [19:39] <ASadCause> I try to purchase the game. However, it delclines my card... and now it's disabled, why?
#2503 [19:39] <DiskDaemon> ASadCause: Is yours a gift card?
#2504 [19:39] <ASadCause> Moneycard from walmart, that count as a gift card?
#2505 [19:40] <ASadCause> it's a visa... so it should work perfectly fine
#2506 [19:40] <GreyVulpine> That counts as a prepaid card, which has been known to have problems
#2507 [19:40] <DiskDaemon> Gift cards are blocked from making international transactions.
#2508 [19:40] <ASadCause> ....
#2509 [19:40] <Devoided> I think I'll just have to live without minecraft.
#2510 [19:41] <GreyVulpine> Try paypal, they'll sometimes accept it. You may need to call up the customer support number on the back of the Moneycard to see about enabling international purchases
#2511 [19:41] <DiskDaemon> Devoided: Perform a backup and then reinstall your operating system. That's what I would do next
#2512 [19:41] <DiskDaemon> You need to be 18+ for paypal though
#2513 [19:41] <ASadCause> I can make internationl services, that's what it's for
#2514 [19:41] <Devoided> Thanks for the help but I give up.
#2515 [19:42] <DiskDaemon> ASadCause: Then call the contact number for your moneycard, to find out why it was blocked.
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#2517 [19:43] <ASadCause> *sigh* ok thanks
#2518 [19:44] <DiskDaemon> ASadCause: Do you have a temporary moneycard, or personalised one?
#2519 [19:44] <ASadCause> temporary
#2520 [19:45] <DiskDaemon> The cardholder agreement says: "your Personalized Card can be used worldwide, but your Temporary Card cannot be used for transactions outside of the United States" https://www.walmartmoneycard.com/AcctMgmt/Controls/Walmart/Support/CardholderAgreement.aspx
#2521 [19:45] <DiskDaemon> Read the fine print :)
#2522 [19:45] <ASadCause> grr...
#2523 [19:46] <ASadCause> ok thanks
#2524 [19:46] <DiskDaemon> you're welcome
#2525 [19:49] <DiskDaemon> Somehow it seems strange to be thanked for telling someone they are in a bad situation
#2526 [19:50] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: I am almost done with the redone batch file program.
#2527 [19:50] <Elystus> Thanks Grey
#2528 [19:50] <DiskDaemon> What is it that this batch file resolves?
#2529 [19:51] <Elystus> Its the one that is used to start minecraft with diffrent amounts of memory
#2530 [19:51] <Elystus> This program automates it all.
#2531 [19:51] <DiskDaemon> GreyVulpine: Are you able to VOP him on the head?
#2532 [19:52] <GreyVulpine> I could.. but that would require digging up the chanserv command.
#2533 [19:52] <DiskDaemon> http://www.esper.net/chanserv.php#chanserv-xop
#2534 [19:52] <DiskDaemon> /msg chanserv FLAGS [channel] [nick] VOP
#2535 [19:53] <GreyVulpine> If I remember correctly, that command doesn't set the right flags that we typically use..
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#2537 [19:55] <conn3r> how do i allow mods on my multiplayer server?
#2538 [19:56] <conn3r> anyone there?
#2539 [19:56] <DiskDaemon> conn3r: Sorry, but we don't deal with mods here.
#2540 [19:56] <conn3r> oh :(
#2541 [19:57] <DiskDaemon> You could try #bukkit though
#2542 [19:57] <conn3r> but i am the owner of it and i cant have any commands is there anything i can do
#2543 [19:58] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: Should I have the user choose how much memory to allocate, or just have the formula dicatate it.
#2544 [19:58] <DiskDaemon> conn3r: Not that I know of here.
#2545 [19:58] <GreyVulpine> Default of 256M, but have it configurable with typical settings?
#2546 [19:58] <conn3r> what
#2547 [19:58] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: I think that providing a recommendation is best. If the user chooses to ignore such a recommendation then troubles are on their own head
#2548 [19:59] <Elystus> okay
#2549 [19:59] <conn3r> can yo give me a link to the bukkit for single player commands?
#2550 [19:59] <DiskDaemon> GreyVulpine: default of 384mb is recommended by the minecraft performance guide
#2551 [19:59] <conn3r> you*
#2552 [19:59] <Elystus> just incase you wanted to see how it works: http://pastebin.com/VLEM0U6P
#2553 [19:59] <DiskDaemon> conn3r: Sorry, don't know what that is. Try the #bukkit channel
#2554 [20:00] <GreyVulpine> DiskDaemon - Performance guide?
#2555 [20:00] <Elystus> Thats just the reccomendations.
#2556 [20:00] <DiskDaemon> GreyVulpine: This extensive one here http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/343030-minecraft-speedoptimization-guide-v-23-5-updated-on-may-24/
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#2558 [20:01] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: I think I am going to add a cap. It won't allow them to allocate more than 2/3 of their memory
#2559 [20:01] <dacamper> hi
#2560 [20:01] <GreyVulpine> Ah, it's recommended, sure, but I've always done 256M around here for debug purposes.
#2561 [20:01] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: Recommending memory based on on their system specs is a dumb idea. I'm sorry to say.
#2562 [20:01] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: In what way.
#2563 [20:02] * Haloisfresh [Haloisfresh@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#2564 [20:02] <Haloisfresh> hello.
#2565 [20:02] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: Memory allocation for Minecraft is best determined by the needs of their game. Vanilla has different needs from lots of mods, for example
#2566 [20:02] <Haloisfresh> anyone know about why my account got migrated?
#2567 [20:03] <GreyVulpine> Haloisfresh - Did you do it yourself?
#2568 [20:03] <DiskDaemon> hi there
#2569 [20:03] <dacamper> i was on uberminecraft.com i check my money and i only had 50$ when i had like 3078923$
#2570 [20:03] <Haloisfresh> no. i tried to get on one day, and it was migrated...
#2571 [20:03] <GreyVulpine> dacamper - We have no control over uberminecraft.com
#2572 [20:03] <GreyVulpine> dacamper - We couldn't tell you why your ingame money amount was changed
#2573 [20:03] <dacamper> ok
#2574 [20:03] <DiskDaemon> dacamper: we can't help with variations of minecraft
#2575 [20:03] <dacamper> thnx
#2576 [20:04] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: It is to keep them from allocating too much memory. But I will add a part saying that it is recommended for vanilla.
#2577 [20:04] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: For vanilla, 384mb is the best recommendation. Allocating more than that results in the garbage collection being delayed for a long time
#2578 [20:05] <GreyVulpine> Haloisfresh - Can't say why your account was migrated. There's nothing about a forced migration yet from Mojang.
#2579 [20:05] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: So using 1 gig or 2 gig is actually much worse for Minecraft, than staying with 384mb. Less is better.
#2580 [20:05] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, my account hasn't been migrated yet.
#2581 [20:05] <Haloisfresh> :/ aww :( i didnt say anything or do anything to have my account migrated. so idk why
#2582 [20:05] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: hmm... hold on a second...
#2583 [20:05] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: You may want to look at the date of the thread.
#2584 [20:06] <dacamper> should i talk to the people that made uberminecraft
#2585 [20:06] <GreyVulpine> dacamper - That would be best
#2586 [20:06] <dacamper> kk
#2587 [20:06] <DiskDaemon> Thread created 28 May 2011, , updated 24 may 2012
#2588 [20:06] <GreyVulpine> Haloisfresh - Sorry, you can try asking Mojang by filing a ticket at:
#2589 [20:06] <GreyVulpine> http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/507459-i-ve-migrated-and-can-t-log-in
#2590 [20:06] <GreyVulpine> "If you're still having an issue logging in, or you believe that someone else has migrated your account, please contact us HERE. You must provide your transaction ID to verify that you own the account. Please let us know which email address you're trying to log in with, so that we can compare it to the registered email address. "
#2591 [20:07] <Haloisfresh> ill try. my account was migrated a while back, so i got a new one. but, that one was just hacked. someone changed the password :/ so im trying to get this one back
#2592 [20:08] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: I see your point...
#2593 [20:08] <Haloisfresh> ugh... i dont know the email i used for that accound... XD any way to see that?
#2594 [20:08] <GreyVulpine> Sorry, nope
#2595 [20:09] <Haloisfresh> its been a while...
#2596 [20:09] <Elystus> To make the idea of reccomending ram even remotely helpful, it would require a ton of coding. And it would be wasted time in the end.
#2597 [20:09] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: Post #2 has a version history, which shows you what was updated and when
#2598 [20:10] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: I didn't see that post, but usually it shows moderators when a post was last updated.
#2599 [20:10] <Elystus> edited*
#2600 [20:11] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: Stick with the recommendations from that speed optimization guide. 384mb for vanilla, 512mb for a few new mobs or 32x texture pack, 1 gig for lots of new mobs of really high texture pack, etc...
#2601 [20:12] <Elystus> Okay
#2602 [20:12] <CrusaderDeleters> Ohey, anyone wanna help with some tech problems?
#2603 [20:12] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: In effect, don't reinvent the wheel :)
#2604 [20:12] <Elystus> ;-;
#2605 [20:12] <DiskDaemon> CrusaderDeleters: sure
#2606 [20:12] * Elystus makes the wheel square
#2606 [20:12] <CrusaderDeleters> Alright
#2607 [20:13] <GreyVulpine> Still think you should have an option for 128/256 for people that have really small amounts of RAM, is running a lot of processes, or has an integrated video card sucking up the available RAM
#2608 [20:13] <CrusaderDeleters> This is the problem: Whenever I leave my computer on/sleeping during the night, when I go to bed, I wake up to my computer not waking up from sleep.
#2609 [20:13] <CrusaderDeleters> My keyboard's lights don't activate when I try to activate my computer
#2610 [20:14] <CrusaderDeleters> The safe way I can actually go back on is to wait for the light on my usb device to turn off after I unplug my power cord, and turn it back on.
#2611 [20:14] <DiskDaemon> CrusaderDeleters: Check your power settings
#2612 [20:14] <CrusaderDeleters> Then it seems as if it comes back from sleep
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#2614 [20:14] <CrusaderDeleters> I actually tried to text my friend, but he got bitchy about me not asking how his vacation was. :I
#2615 [20:15] <CrusaderDeleters> Where be power?
#2616 [20:15] <DiskDaemon> CrusaderDeleters: Find out what type of sleep mode is being used, then perform that type of mode manually. You may just have a situation where the usb keyboard isn't supported by the bios
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#2618 [20:15] <CrusaderDeleters> It's not a usb keyboard.
#2619 [20:15] <DiskDaemon> ?? google
#2620 [20:15] <VoxelHead> google: http://google.com/ is your friend. Do not expect us to find things for you, when you are just as capable of using Google on your own. We aren't your personal Internet guide.
#2621 [20:15] <DiskDaemon> http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/pwrmn_managing_power.mspx?mfr=true
#2622 [20:16] <CrusaderDeleters> It's PS2, and the keyboard is supported.
#2623 [20:16] <DiskDaemon> CrusaderDeleters: Does the same problem happen when you manually perform the same type of shutdown that automatically occurs?
#2624 [20:17] <CrusaderDeleters> How could I manually or automatically? :o
#2625 [20:17] <Haloisfresh> ok, i tried logging into minecraft with my email, but it says "Oops, unknown username or password"
#2626 [20:17] <CrusaderDeleters> I just go to start menu and click sleep.
#2627 [20:18] <DiskDaemon> Haloisfresh: What is your minecraft username?
#2628 [20:18] <Haloisfresh> the one that is migrated is corey54071
#2629 [20:18] <CrusaderDeleters> !paid corey54071
#2630 [20:19] <Haloisfresh> yes, yes i have.
#2631 [20:19] <CrusaderDeleters> Lol.
#2632 [20:19] <CrusaderDeleters> Are you sure your confidential information to be entered is correct?
#2633 [20:20] <Haloisfresh> yes
#2634 [20:20] <DiskDaemon> Haloisfresh: Please go to https://account.mojang.com/resetpassword/request and reset your password.
#2635 [20:21] <Haloisfresh> i would, but the thing is, idk what email i used.. :/
#2636 [20:21] <DiskDaemon> Haloisfresh: Then you need to change your email address with them, right?
#2637 [20:21] <Haloisfresh> yes
#2638 [20:21] <DiskDaemon> Haloisfresh: http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/329530-my-email-account-has-changed-
#2639 [20:24] <Haloisfresh> would it help if i told you someone payed for this for me? i told him all the info i wanted, and he payed with a giftcard, because it wouldnt work on my computer...
#2640 [20:25] <Haloisfresh> he made the account with the info i told him as well.
#2641 [20:25] <Haloisfresh> i have contacted him and asked, but he doesnt remember.
#2642 [20:25] <DiskDaemon> Haloisfresh: You will need that proof of purchase before Mojang will allow you to change your email.
#2643 [20:28] <Haloisfresh> ok. im going to try to call him and see if theres any way he can access the code he used to buy it.
#2644 [20:35] <CrusaderDeleters> Disk, I really hope that this didn't turn out to be some sort of scam. :c
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#2646 [20:35] <GoonRock96> ! GoonRock96
#2647 [20:35] <GoonRock96> ! GoonRock96
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#2649 [20:37] <Haloisfresh> ugh... hes not sure either
#2650 [20:37] <Haloisfresh> is there a way to find out the gift card dode?
#2651 [20:37] <Haloisfresh> code*
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#2653 [20:38] <DiskDaemon> Haloisfresh: There should be record that the company keep, and there should be emails that were sent with the purchase
#2654 [20:41] <Haloisfresh> ok, ill see if he can check his email
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#2656 [20:50] <luvkit10> i cant seem to dowload game have tried my bank card and it has security block on it i have went out and got a green dot nothing did it through paypal and nothing im really interested in playing the game but becoming really irritated that i cant buy it please 3help me with this
#2657 [20:51] <DiskDaemon> luvkit10: What is your minecraft username?
#2658 [20:51] <luvkit10> luvkit10
#2659 [20:51] <DiskDaemon> !paid luvkit10
#2660 [20:51] <DiskDaemon> luvkit10: You have been unable to purchase it thus far?
#2661 [20:52] * Guest95998 [Guest95998@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#2662 [20:52] <DiskDaemon> luvkit10: Cards suhc as greendot are gift cards, which don't tend to be allowed to make overseas transactions
#2663 [20:52] * pbmlewia [pbmlewia@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#2664 [20:53] <pbmlewia> i cant seem to buy the game it wont let me and i have the money in my pay pal i wanna buy two copies for my wife and i please help
#2665 [20:54] <DiskDaemon> pbmlewia: What issue do you have when trying to buy?
#2666 [20:54] <pbmlewia> it always gets cancled
#2667 [20:54] <pbmlewia> i dunno why i have close to 100$ in account
#2668 [20:54] <DiskDaemon> luvkit10: Are you using a temporary card, or a personalised card?
#2669 [20:55] <pbmlewia> luvkit is my wife haha shes trying my pay pal too
#2670 [20:55] <GreyVulpine> Do you have money actually in your paypal account, or in a prepaid card that's linked to your paypal?
#2671 [20:55] <pbmlewia> we have tried both but my card wont do international
#2672 [20:55] <DiskDaemon> The greendot cardholder agreement says: "You may not use your Temporary Card: (i) ... (ii) ... (iii) at merchants outside of the United States (including internet websites based outside the United States)."
#2673 [20:56] <pbmlewia> money in the account
#2674 [20:56] <GreyVulpine> And you're purchasing an account, not a gift code, right?
#2675 [20:57] <pbmlewia> yea u cant purchase the giftcode with pay pal
#2676 [20:57] <DiskDaemon> pbmlewia: Mojang provide this information about not being able to purchase: http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/417071-i-can%E2%80%99t-purchase-minecraft
#2677 [20:57] <GreyVulpine> If you're having problems through paypal, you may need to file a support ticket through paypal to figure out why the transaction is being decliend
#2678 [20:58] <pbmlewia> i really want it too
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#2680 [20:58] <DiskDaemon> pbmlewia: good luck then
#2681 [20:58] <luvkit10> sorry about that
#2682 [20:59] <CrusaderDeleters> Cursor's blinking. D: How to fix guys>
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#2684 [21:00] <Kacey_XD> My server stops loading in terminal after: http://pastie.org/4309512
#2685 [21:00] <DiskDaemon> Kacey_XD: We don't help with bukkit here. Please take it to the #bukkit channel
#2686 [21:00] <DiskDaemon> Kacey_XD: We don't help with bukkit here. Please take it to the #bukkit channel
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#2689 [21:05] <ergonaut> Hello. So I was thinking. I want to expand an NPC village. So what if, I used bone meal to grow Huge Mushrooms, hollowed them out, and put doors on them? Would this add villagers?
#2690 [21:05] <DiskDaemon> ergonaut: Give it go, and let us know what your tests reveal
#2691 [21:06] <ergonaut> Alright then. How do you propose I count how many villagers there are so far? Or should I just count the doors and multiply by .35?
#2692 [21:08] <DiskDaemon> Pen them in by blocking the doors while counting
#2693 [21:08] <ergonaut> Good idea. Thanks, I'll be on it.
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#2696 [21:13] <Lacy> I can't get my video cards to update anyone help
#2697 [21:14] <DiskDaemon> ??> Lacy win/dxdiag
#2698 [21:14] <VoxelHead> Lacy: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#2699 [21:14] <VoxelHead> Lacy: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#2700 [21:15] <Lacy> Okay I'm a novice here. I don't know what the Win+R is and where I would type into?
#2701 [21:16] <GreyVulpine> ?? win/key
#2702 [21:16] <VoxelHead> win/key: Hold down the Windows key (between Control and Alt, usually to the left of the space bar), and then press the other specified key. Think of it as typing a capital letter, but using that key instead of Shift.
#2703 [21:20] <Lacy> Where is the IRC channel
#2704 [21:22] <Lacy> Okay is this the IRC Channel? http://pastebin.com/tnSmn3Z2
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#2706 [21:24] <Lacy> Am I on the right track or is there something more I need to do?
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#2708 [21:28] <Jaharmer> I just got Minecraft today, I downloaded it and when i log in it says "connection lost" or something like that, but I am surfing just fine online.
#2709 [21:29] <Lacy> Help!!
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#2711 [21:37] <lemon-rev> lacy turn off your firewall
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#2713 [21:40] <sunyshoremon> How do you get in game fonts in mc? And on signs, a plugin?
#2714 [21:42] <DiskDaemon> sunyshoremon: Currently it's just text color, and that has to be hacked in to achieve that too
#2715 [21:42] <DiskDaemon> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Sign#Colored_text
#2716 [21:43] <Haloisfresh> do you guys know of a bukkit plugin thats kind of like the armor stand mod? like, when you go into a server, theres human sized statues that look at you... i cant find it...
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#2718 [21:44] <Haloisfresh> anyone know?
#2719 [21:46] <DiskDaemon> Haloisfresh: We don't deal with bukkit in here sorry. Take it to the #bukkit channel
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#2721 [21:48] <evilian2343> I just bought Mincraft and i cant download it
#2722 [21:48] <DiskDaemon> evilian2343: Can you give more info on what happens?
#2723 [21:49] <evilian2343> When i download it says can not download want to retry
#2724 [21:49] <DiskDaemon> is that after you log in?
#2725 [21:50] <evilian2343> yes
#2726 [21:50] <GreyVulpine> What's the exact error message?
#2727 [21:51] <evilian2343> Minecraft_exe(1) couldnt be downloaded. retry cancel
#2728 [21:52] <GreyVulpine> !client
#2729 [21:52] <GreyVulpine> Try: https://s3.amazonaws.com/MinecraftDownload/launcher/Minecraft.exe
#2730 [21:52] <GreyVulpine> If that doesn't work, try a different browser.
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#2732 [21:55] <evilian2343> Thanks Diskdameon.
#2733 [21:56] * DiskDaemon gives GreyVulpine a cookie :)
#2733 [21:57] * GreyVulpine banks it.
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#2734 [22:02] <DiskDaemon> I should mention, with Lacy before I had to race off to deal with a plumbing issue
#2735 [22:03] <DiskDaemon> Looking back at it though, it was a 128mb graphics card so there's not much we could do with that
#2736 [22:04] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, the 945. Could have ran it with a batch file.
#2737 [22:04] <GreyVulpine> But, I was away grabbing food, totally forgot about it
#2738 [22:06] <DiskDaemon> I figured out though that the air trap wasn't causing the plumbing problem, but instead it's the seal at the sink itself - so an actual plumber is going to be needed for that
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#2740 [22:07] <GreyVulpine> Oof.
#2741 [22:09] <DiskDaemon> GreyVulpine: What sort of batch file would you have used for the 945?
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#2743 [22:10] <GreyVulpine> My usual -Xms256M -Xmx256M debug batch file
#2744 [22:11] <DiskDaemon> ahh good, just down to the basics. nice :)
#2745 [22:11] <Wug> whaargarrbl
#2746 [22:12] <DiskDaemon> good dog :)
#2747 [22:12] <Wug> WEH
#2748 [22:12] <GreyVulpine> Oh god, who did the Awake Wug Chant™?
#2749 [22:12] <DiskDaemon> http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/001/625/135891.jpg
#2750 [22:13] <GreyVulpine> Hah
#2751 [22:19] <Wug> weh weh.
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#2753 [22:21] <weirdos52> hi low
#2754 [22:21] <weirdos52> hi low
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#2756 [22:28] <Wug> GreyVulpine: http://stackoverflow.com/a/5236278
#2757 [22:29] * GreyVulpine snrks
#2757 [22:29] <Wug> I especially liked the CthulhuRlyehWgahnaglFhtagnExceptions
#2758 [22:30] <Wug> I think im going to implement that somewhere
#2759 [22:32] <Wug> what's the prognosis on your sploded gaming rig
#2760 [22:32] <GreyVulpine> Currently in RMA process with OCZ
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#2763 [22:35] <Yodcal> Is there a certain IP you need to log on to a server being hosted on the same network?
#2764 [22:36] <DiskDaemon> The local ip of the server
#2765 [22:36] <DiskDaemon> If you're on the same computer itself, it can be just 127.0.0.1
#2766 [22:36] <Yodcal> No, no. It's a different computer, same local network.
#2767 [22:36] <Yodcal> Let me try that.
#2768 [22:37] <DiskDaemon> Then the local ip address of the computer hosting the server is the best way
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#2770 [22:38] <Yodcal> And that would be the 192.168.2.__ , correct?
#2771 [22:38] <Yodcal> Not 192.168.2.1
#2772 [22:38] <DiskDaemon> That last one is the router
#2773 [22:38] <DiskDaemon> Let us know if you want help in finding out the local ip address of the computer
#2774 [22:39] <Yodcal> I might, standby.
#2775 [22:41] <Yodcal> Well shoot. How do I find the local ip?
#2776 [22:41] <DiskDaemon> http://www.wikihow.com/Find-out-Your-IP-Address
#2777 [22:41] <DiskDaemon> The "windows method" there
#2778 [22:43] <Yodcal> So then do I have to connect to the link-local IPV6? Or the IPv4?
#2779 [22:44] <Yodcal> Neither seem to work...
#2780 [22:44] <DiskDaemon> The ipv4 is the one that's supported. Is that with 192.168.2.xxx ?
#2781 [22:44] <Wug> this is the part where you port scan 192.168.*.*:25565
#2782 [22:44] <Yodcal> Correct.
#2783 [22:45] <Yodcal> So you do need the :25565?
#2784 [22:45] <DiskDaemon> The 25565 is used by defaut - it's not mandetory
#2785 [22:45] <Yodcal> That's what I thought.
#2786 [22:45] <Yodcal> That's the port I'm running it on.
#2787 [22:46] <DiskDaemon> Yodcal: Okay, start simply. Try to connect from minecraft running on the same machine as the server.
#2788 [22:47] <Yodcal> Will do, standby
#2789 [22:48] <Yodcal> I can connect successfully with the ip 'localhost' on that machine.
#2790 [22:49] <DiskDaemon> Good, can you do the same with the local ip address that you had before?
#2791 [22:49] <Yodcal> Do you mean same-machine loggin?
#2792 [22:50] <DiskDaemon> yes
#2793 [22:50] <Yodcal> Let me try.
#2794 [22:52] <Yodcal> Yeah, I can successfully login, same-machine, with ip 192.168.xx.xx
#2795 [22:52] <Yodcal> The local ip.
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#2797 [22:53] <DiskDaemon> Good. So now we know the server is working well, as well as the client. Which means that we have to look elsewhere for what's causing the issue.
#2798 [22:53] <Charles_> i am using windows 8 and need help with the video card drivers problem
#2799 [22:53] <DiskDaemon> Commonly the firewall on the server interferes with things. We can temporarily disable that to check if that is the case, and if things then work we can bring back up the firewall and set it up properly
#2800 [22:54] <Yodcal> Sure, any suggestions on how?
#2801 [22:54] <Elystus> Charles_: You will most likely have to downgrade to an earlier version of windows.
#2802 [22:54] <Charles_> is there any other fix?
#2803 [22:55] <Elystus> Charles_: We could attempt to find the correct drivers for you.
#2804 [22:55] <Elystus> ??>> Charles_ win/dxdiag
#2805 [22:55] <Charles_> yes that would help
#2806 [22:55] <Elystus> follow the directions given by VoxelHead
#2807 [22:55] <DiskDaemon> Yodcal: Indeed. First disable your firewall and then try to connect to the server's local ip address from that other machine
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#2809 [22:55] <Yodcal> Alright, standby.
#2810 [22:57] <Yodcal> disabled, testing.
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#2813 [23:00] <Yodcal> No dice. Unsuccessful login with the server from a different machine using local ip 192.168.xx.xx
#2814 [23:00] <Yodcal> After disabling the firewall, of course.
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#2816 [23:01] <DiskDaemon> unsuccessful login? That's the first time that I've heard of you having that error message
#2817 [23:01] <Yodcal> Oh sorry, I meant timeout.
#2818 [23:02] <DiskDaemon> Yodcal: I cannot help you unless I get right right information
#2819 [23:02] <Yodcal> I know, sorry. It won't connect, is all. Even after disabling the firewall.
#2820 [23:03] <Yodcal> I haven't had an unsuccessful login error.
#2821 [23:04] <DiskDaemon> Yodcal: Okay, please give us the precise error message, so that I may perform a search for potential solutions
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#2823 [23:04] <Yodcal> Right, hold on.
#2824 [23:07] <Yodcal> After disabling the firewall, and using the local ip, i get 'java.net.SocketException: Host is down'
#2825 [23:08] <DiskDaemon> Does the server console say anything when the connection attempts to occur?
#2826 [23:08] <GreyVulpine> Waait.. is this on classic or premium?
#2827 [23:08] <DiskDaemon> Yodcal: Are either of the machines macs?
#2828 [23:09] <emmettIV> no they are not macs and i am premium user
#2829 [23:09] <GreyVulpine> emmettIV - Both DiskDaemon and I were directing our questions to Yodcal
#2830 [23:10] <Yodcal> The one I'm hosting on is not, the one I'm using to access it is.
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#2832 [23:10] <Elystus> emmettIV: Are you having an issue?
#2833 [23:10] <GreyVulpine> Yodcal - What file are you using to run the server?
#2834 [23:10] <Landon> My minecraft will not download on the launcher or the browser.
#2835 [23:11] <emmettIV> i have tried to play minecraft on 2 different pc's and both end up saying bad video card drivers
#2836 [23:11] <Yodcal> Well, I'm using bukkit, but I have the same problems with the vanilla server software
#2837 [23:11] <Elystus> Guest35560: Disable any antiviruses that you have
#2838 [23:11] <Guest35560> i did but now i cannot connect to minecraft.net
#2839 [23:11] <DiskDaemon> Oh dear. You'll have to revert back to a vanilla setup for us to continue troubleshooting
#2840 [23:11] <Elystus> emmettIV: Then you will need to get updated video card drivers on both machines
#2841 [23:11] <Elystus> Guest35560: Then the problem probably lies with your hosts file.
#2842 [23:12] <Yodcal> Done.
#2843 [23:12] <Elystus> Guest35560: What operating system are you on?
#2844 [23:12] <Yodcal> The vanilla server is up now.
#2845 [23:12] <Guest35560> like the minecraft.net page will not open it loads
#2846 [23:12] <emmettIV> we have tried to update both pcs but they are up to date
#2847 [23:12] <GreyVulpine> emmettIV - How exactly did you attempt to do this?
#2848 [23:12] <Guest35560> i am on an xps 15 64-bit
#2849 [23:12] <Elystus> emmettIV: Can I get a dxdiag for one of the machines
#2850 [23:12] <Guest35560> beyond that ill have to look up
#2851 [23:13] <Elystus> ??>> emmettIV win/dxdiag
#2852 [23:13] <GreyVulpine> ??> Guest35560 win/hosts
#2853 [23:13] <VoxelHead> Guest35560: (win/hosts) You may have a problem with your hosts file, which overrides DNS queries. Please follow the following directions:
#2854 [23:13] <VoxelHead> Guest35560: (win/hosts) Hold down the Windows key, and press R. In the window that appears, enter "%SystemRoot%\System32\drivers\etc", and press Enter. In the window that appears you will see a file, "hosts". Open that file in Notepad, and copy the contents onto Pastebin, and give us the resulting URL.
#2855 [23:13] <Elystus> When was that factoid added?
#2856 [23:13] <GreyVulpine> Long long time ago
#2857 [23:13] <Elystus> I must have missed it when I went through them.
#2858 [23:14] <Yodcal> And to answer your question, DiskDaemon, nothing appears on the consol when trying to connect.
#2859 [23:14] <DiskDaemon> Yodcal: Okay. Which firewall was it that was disabled?
#2860 [23:15] <Guest35560> it says that doesnt exist
#2861 [23:15] <Yodcal> The firewall on the router.
#2862 [23:15] <GreyVulpine> Guest35560 - What do you see in the etc folder? What files are in there?
#2863 [23:15] <GreyVulpine> Guest35560 - Do you get to the etc folder?
#2864 [23:16] <DiskDaemon> Yodcal: Thanks. That's not the firewall that you should disable. Put that one up again please
#2865 [23:16] <Guest35560> i typed in %SystemRoot%\System32\drivers\etc but it comes up with an error window
#2866 [23:16] <emmettIV> so should i try to update the driver again
#2867 [23:17] <Guest35560> saying it does not exist
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#2869 [23:17] <GreyVulpine> Guest35560 - You're on windows, correct?
#2870 [23:17] <emmettIV> yes
#2871 [23:17] <Guest35560> correct
#2872 [23:17] <GreyVulpine> Guest35560 - Go to your C: drive -- Look for the Windows folder. Go inside. Look for the system32 folder, then drivers, then the etc folder
#2873 [23:18] <GreyVulpine> emmettIV - Can you give us a dxdiag?
#2874 [23:18] <GreyVulpine> ??> emmettIV win/dxdiag
#2875 [23:18] <VoxelHead> emmettIV: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#2876 [23:18] <VoxelHead> emmettIV: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#2877 [23:18] <Yodcal> Oh it's up.
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#2879 [23:19] <Guest35560> there is no etc folder
#2880 [23:19] <Yodcal> DiskDaemon: The firewalls back up.
#2881 [23:19] <Elystus> Guest35560: It may be hidden
#2882 [23:19] <GreyVulpine> What folders do you see in there?
#2883 [23:19] <DiskDaemon> Yodcal: Okay. It's the computer that the server is on which we are interested in. It's the minecraft server computer on which you need to disable the firewall (for testing purposes)
#2884 [23:19] <Elystus> ^
#2885 [23:20] <Guest35560> great so i cant really do anything?
#2886 [23:20] <GreyVulpine> Guest35560 - What folders do you see in there?
#2887 [23:21] <Guest35560> A ton lol just no etc
#2888 [23:21] <Yodcal> Alright...hold on.
#2889 [23:21] <Elystus> Guest35560: Can you name a few folders that you see?
#2890 [23:21] <Guest35560> 0409 is the first advanced installers ar-sa
#2891 [23:22] <GreyVulpine> Guest35560 - And you're in C:\windows\system32\drivers ?
#2892 [23:22] <Guest35560> yes
#2893 [23:22] <Yodcal> Firewalls off, testing
#2894 [23:22] <GreyVulpine> Hmm...
#2895 [23:22] <Guest35560> wait
#2896 [23:22] <Guest35560> no
#2897 [23:22] <Elystus> There is the issue
#2898 [23:22] <Guest35560> i just opened drivers
#2899 [23:23] <Elystus> okay now find etc
#2900 [23:23] <emmettIV> where is the irc channel
#2901 [23:23] <GreyVulpine> emmettIV - You're in one.
#2902 [23:23] <Guest35560> then what
#2903 [23:23] <Yodcal> No go. Still getting 'Host is down'
#2904 [23:23] <emmettIV> http://pastebin.com/7Y1ZWs39 here it is
#2905 [23:23] <GreyVulpine> Guest35560 - Do you see a hosts file?
#2906 [23:23] <Guest35560> yes
#2907 [23:23] <Elystus> Guest35560: Open the file named hosts and put the contents on pastebin.com
#2908 [23:23] <DiskDaemon> Yodcal: Okay, that normally solves the problem so I'm puzzled here now too.
#2909 [23:23] <GreyVulpine> "Driver Date/Size: 12/31/1999"
#2910 [23:23] <GreyVulpine> Oh wow
#2911 [23:24] <Guest35560> i cant open it
#2912 [23:24] <Yodcal> I've hosted from this same computer at a different locatio.
#2913 [23:24] <GreyVulpine> Guest35560 - Open notepad, drag the "hosts" file over to it
#2914 [23:24] <Yodcal> Should I try connecting to it on a pc?
#2915 [23:24] <DiskDaemon> aren't you on a pc?
#2916 [23:24] <Guest35560> okay
#2917 [23:24] <Yodcal> The server is being hosted on a pc.
#2918 [23:25] <Yodcal> I'm here on a mac, trying to connect to it.
#2919 [23:25] <emmettIV> what should i do now
#2920 [23:25] <GreyVulpine> emmettIV - Download and install these drivers: http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&DwnldID=16835&ProdId=2301&lang=eng&OSVersion=Windows%20XP%20%20Professional*&DownloadType=Drivers
#2921 [23:25] <GreyVulpine> emmettIV - Reboot your computer when you've finished, then try minecraft again
#2922 [23:26] <DiskDaemon> Yodcal: Okay, thanks for that. I don't know how to troubleshoot with macs, but the mac shouldn't be causing a problem with the connection attempt
#2923 [23:26] <GreyVulpine> Guest35560 - Got the hosts file open?
#2924 [23:26] <DiskDaemon> Yodcal: You're welcome to try from some other pc though
#2925 [23:26] <Guest35560> yes
#2926 [23:26] <Yodcal> Alright, will do.
#2927 [23:26] <GreyVulpine> Guest35560 - Look down towards the bottom. Do you see any lines containing minecraft.net in it?
#2928 [23:26] <Guest35560> yes
#2929 [23:26] <GreyVulpine> That'll be why
#2930 [23:26] <emmettIV> okay its downloading now then i will connect back to this right
#2931 [23:26] <Guest35560> wait
#2932 [23:26] <Yodcal> I'll also have a friend try to connect from a different network and see if that works.
#2933 [23:26] <Guest35560> no thought i did
#2934 [23:27] <GreyVulpine> Do you, or don't you Guest35560?
#2935 [23:27] <Guest35560> no
#2936 [23:27] <DiskDaemon> Yodcal: There can be port forwarfing issues to resolve before external connections can be achieved
#2937 [23:28] <GreyVulpine> Guest35560 - Copy the entirety of the hosts file to www.pastebin.com, submit it, and give us the URL so that we may read it
#2938 [23:29] <Guest35560> http://pastebin.com/hUfe7GVD
#2939 [23:29] <GreyVulpine> Hmm, alright. There's nothing in there at all that could cause this..
#2940 [23:29] <GreyVulpine> Guest35560 - Are you able to pull up the minecraft.net website at all in your browser?
#2941 [23:30] <Guest35560> yea now i can
#2942 [23:30] <GreyVulpine> Then try minecraft
#2943 [23:30] <Guest35560> download it?
#2944 [23:30] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#2945 [23:31] <Guest35560> okay
#2946 [23:31] <Yodcal> After two attempts, I connected with a pc on the same network.
#2947 [23:31] <Guest35560> then what do i do
#2948 [23:31] <GreyVulpine> Try logging in?
#2949 [23:32] <DiskDaemon> Yodcal: Well done, so it does seem like the mac was causing the issue afterall. That can be sorted out, with some investigation
#2950 [23:32] <Yodcal> Alright, well now I know what the problem is, at least,
#2951 [23:32] <Yodcal> Thanks for your help; I really appreciate it.
#2952 [23:32] <Guest35560> it takes forever then it says (notdownloaded)
#2953 [23:32] <DiskDaemon> you're welcome
#2954 [23:33] <GreyVulpine> Guest35560 - What does it say above "Not downloaded"?
#2955 [23:33] <DiskDaemon> If the update doesn't want to complete, it's almost certainly your antivirus program preventing Minecraft from getting the files that it needs. You can temporarily disable your antivirus program and then try again.
#2956 [23:33] <Yodcal> You have any ideas how to solve the mac issue? Any common issues you know of?
#2957 [23:33] <Guest35560> bottom ight
#2958 [23:33] <Guest35560> right*
#2959 [23:33] <GreyVulpine> Guest35560 - What does it say above "Not downloaded"?
#2960 [23:34] <DiskDaemon> Yodcal: nothing that comes to mind at the moment. Investigations continue though
#2961 [23:34] <Guest35560> above it says a bunch that i cant copy and paste but java.net.ConnectionException:Connection timed out
#2962 [23:34] <GreyVulpine> Do you get a news feed at all?
#2963 [23:34] <Yodcal> Right then.
#2964 [23:34] <Guest35560> no
#2965 [23:34] <GreyVulpine> Guest35560 - Do you see a "Can't connect to minecraft.net" error?
#2966 [23:35] <Guest35560> in red at the bottom
#2967 [23:35] <GreyVulpine> So that's a yes?
#2968 [23:35] <Guest35560> yea
#2969 [23:35] * DiskDaemon gives GreyVulpine http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/User:Pmw57/Minecrafthelp/Troubleshooting#Connection_to_minecraft.net_fails.2C_with_HTML_text_up_in_the_news_panel
#2969 [23:35] <GreyVulpine> Guest35560 - Go into windows' control panel, uninstall all java 7 you have, and ensure you're only using java 6.
#2970 [23:35] <GreyVulpine> Then try minecraft again
#2971 [23:35] * GreyVulpine nods at DiskDaemon
#2971 [23:36] <Guest35560> how do i get java 6? the only downloads are 7 for my 64bit system
#2972 [23:36] <GreyVulpine> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre6-downloads-1637595.html
#2973 [23:37] <DiskDaemon> Yodcal: Can you bring the firewall back up now, and check that a connection still works?
#2974 [23:37] <Yodcal> Yes, hold on.
#2975 [23:37] <Guest35560> so whats with java 7?
#2976 [23:38] <GreyVulpine> Java 7 likes to use a different network protocol by default that minecraft doesn't use..
#2977 [23:38] <DiskDaemon> java 7 defaults to trying to connect with ipv6 if it's available, resulting in certain issues.
#2978 [23:39] <Guest35560> will that be fixed by mojang and where is the java7 i have to uninstall
#2979 [23:39] <GreyVulpine> Guest35560 - Control panel -> add/remove programs or Programs and features
#2980 [23:39] <DiskDaemon> There are two options to that. Stay with Java 6 for minecraft, or configure the startup of minecraft to prefer ipv4 instead
#2981 [23:40] <Guest35560> now try minecraft
#2982 [23:40] <Guest35560> ?
#2983 [23:40] <Yodcal> Okay, with the firewall up, I can no longer connect on the pc.
#2984 [23:40] <GreyVulpine> Guest35560- Yes
#2985 [23:41] <Guest35560> THANK YOU!
#2986 [23:41] * GreyVulpine tips hat
#2986 [23:41] <Guest35560> lol
#2987 [23:41] <Guest35560> i think this issue should be more recognized for ppl switching computers
#2988 [23:41] <Guest35560> i searched all day
#2989 [23:41] <GreyVulpine> It's a common issue for us.
#2990 [23:42] <DiskDaemon> Yodcal: Okay. Let's fix the firewall. Go to the incoming connections section and remove any that relate to java. Then restart the server. The computer should then ask you if it can set u new firewall settings for it.
#2991 [23:42] <DiskDaemon> *set up
#2992 [23:42] <GreyVulpine> Especially since oracle has java 7 as a recommended install now.
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#2994 [23:42] <Guest35560> so thanks for your help! Bye
#2995 [23:42] * GreyVulpine waves
#2995 [23:42] <Yodcal> Okay, give me a few.
#2996 [23:44] <GreyVulpine> Oh, DiskDaemon, the wrong elfclass error. Commonly is caused by an outdated lwjgl, but can also be caused by openJDK.
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#2998 [23:45] <DiskDaemon> So switching to OracleJRE is an alternative solution to that?
#2999 [23:46] * GreyVulpine nods
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#3000 [23:48] <Elystus> Ah, I see there was another victim of the java issue.
#3001 [23:49] <GreyVulpine> Oh, have you ever come across this yet?
#3002 [23:49] <GreyVulpine> http://pastebin.com/thMf6ZLK
#3003 [23:50] <DiskDaemon> Java isn't installed?
#3004 [23:50] <Yodcal> DiskDaemon: I allowed all java programs on the firewall. With the firewall up, the pc can connect. However, the mac is still giving me 'host is down'
#3005 [23:50] <DiskDaemon> No, it's there, because java.exe ran - wow, that is an odd one
#3006 [23:50] <GreyVulpine> Java is installed.
#3007 [23:50] <GreyVulpine> Thing is, java installation is corrupt.
#3008 [23:51] <DiskDaemon> Yodcal: Good one. I haven't been able to find any solution to that "host is down" issue when connecting from your mac to the local server
#3009 [23:51] <Yodcal> Yeah, very strange. Let me try a different mac.
#3010 [23:52] <GreyVulpine> A complete uninstall/reinstall of java will fix that issue, but you'll sometimes get this:
#3011 [23:52] <GreyVulpine> http://utdream.org/assets/content/windows_java_error_1723.png
#3012 [23:52] <GreyVulpine> When trying to uninstall java.
#3013 [23:52] <GreyVulpine> Wug's Wugbot had a factoid for the error 1723 error..
#3014 [23:53] <Wug> java transplant is probably required
#3015 [23:54] <Wug> either that or a proper nuke
#3016 [23:54] <Wug> know how to do it?
#3017 [23:54] <GreyVulpine> I believe wugbot had an entry to something like: http://support.microsoft.com/mats/Program_Install_and_Uninstall
#3018 [23:55] <Wug> hang on a tick
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#3020 [23:55] <Wug> it was in fact that tool
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#3022 [23:56] <GreyVulpine> Ah. Well then
#3023 [23:56] <Yodcal> So, trying to log on using a different mac results in another 'host is down' error
#3024 [23:57] <Yodcal> Looks like a mac exclusive problem.
#3025 [23:57] <baku> when i play the people go invisible and all i can see is what they have in their hand<why?
#3026 [23:57] <Wug> I wonder if its the ipv6 problem
#3027 [23:58] <baku> anyone know?
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#3029 [23:59] <GreyVulpine> Yodcal - Version of java installed on the mac?
#3030 [23:59] <GreyVulpine> Any updates available?