#1 [00:00] <Siana> on the software i release myself, we only have 30 000 recurring users and all of them non-paying. but when i do a new release, i stay awake and in touch with them for the next at least 10 hours to see that nothing has gone wrong and the update is smooth, and then take immediate action to at least inform people of issues and then rectify them. always find it pretty weak when people don't do the same for their customers -.-
#2 [00:00] <DiskDaemon> Does anyone else get "asdf" on the console when starting minecraft.exe with: java -jar minecraft.exe
#3 [00:01] <Siana> DiskDaemon: is that were to appear immediately upon starting, i do not. i didn't try to log in.
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#5 [00:02] <DiskDaemon> That's when typing that from the command prompt
#6 [00:02] <Siana> i did this from bash now, but let me try from cmd.exe
#7 [00:03] <Siana> yes, from cmd,exe there is asdf as first output.
#8 [00:03] <DiskDaemon> I must remember this page and let Marc know about things http://www.minecraft.net/demo
#9 [00:03] <DiskDaemon> For it seems that testing of the demo has only occurred on computer systems that already have minecraft installed.
#10 [00:03] <Siana> following that a file-not-found exception is thrown.
#11 [00:04] <Siana> regarding lastlogin file.
#12 [00:04] <FlashCam> My son was playing minecraft with no problem before the update. After that he kept getting a message cannot connect to minecraft.net. So I suggested he delete and re-download the game. But the download is not installing and I get this error as soon as I try to run...Failed to update news...java.net.SocketException: Permission denied: connect
#13 [00:06] <DiskDaemon> FlashCam: Does the minecraft launcher show strange text in the upper area?
#14 [00:06] <Siana> DiskDaemon: this is what happens after i put minecraft.jar and lwjgl manually following instructions i linked above: https://gist.github.com/6cf49069bff159212f84
#15 [00:07] <FlashCam> it shows no text
#16 [00:07] <DiskDaemon> FlashCam: Does the minecraft launcher have a dirt background on the lower part, or a black background?
#17 [00:07] <FlashCam> dirt
#18 [00:08] <DiskDaemon> FlashCam: Okay, it's strange that you're not seeing news in the news panel. Try the solution found at http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/User:Pmw57/Minecrafthelp/Troubleshooting#Connection_to_minecraft.net_fails.2C_with_HTML_text_up_in_the_news_panel
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#20 [00:11] <DiskDaemon> Siana: Yes, I can confirm that issue with the last login. I don't think that it will save the login until a premium user has logged in.
#21 [00:12] <Siana> wouldn't say it's a significant issue. finally, there was never a clean exit, always had to kill minecraft because of it getting locked up on start.
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#23 [00:13] <FlashCam> the first instruction is Right-click on minecraft.exe and select "Create shortcut"" so I tried right-clicking on the minecraft that is in my download folder and I see the option to create shortcut...is that the .exe application or file or whatever the correct term for a .exe is?
#24 [00:14] <Siana> oh, well, i better go back from being frustrated over a random non-working game to being frustrated over random non-working curl-threading -.-
#25 [00:14] <DiskDaemon> Siana: Sorry, it's only a few days since that demo mode came out, and it still needs to be worked on
#26 [00:15] <Siana> so the problem has been known for multiple days and there is still not even a public notice that people need not waste their time for a demo right now -.- that's a bit sad.
#27 [00:16] <DiskDaemon> The version history itself says: "Includes demo mode. Note: Clicking on demo mode without the game installed will not work, and instead freeze at game updating and not download." http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Version_history
#28 [00:17] <DiskDaemon> The pickaxe page shows that diamond is now renewable?? http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Pickaxe
#29 [00:18] <DiskDaemon> Ahh, via trading for the tool itself.
#30 [00:29] <FlashCam> ok that seems to have worked. Thank you DiskDaemon
#31 [00:29] <DiskDaemon> you're welcome
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#35 [00:41] <zzz> whoops
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#38 [01:02] <noTREEon> I cant login to Minecraft. Like after i put my information in the launcher, it dosnt allow me to login - connect to minecraft.net even though i can login to the website.
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#40 [01:05] <DiskDaemon> noTREEon: Do you see the news section in the upper part of the launcher?
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#42 [01:10] <zzzz> he gone
#43 [01:10] <Smanly> wat
#44 [01:15] <Rikairchy> 0.0
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#50 [02:05] <Elystus> ??< win/!
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#52 [02:12] <ryback> is anyone else having issues connecting to the game right now?
#53 [02:12] <slowfi> no
#54 [02:12] <zzzz> nothing new
#55 [02:13] <ryback> I keep getting Can't Connect to minecraft.net and I've tried multiple fixes to get this program to work
#56 [02:14] <slowfi> the servers I like are down for 1.3 upgrade but I can connect to other 1.3 servers
#57 [02:14] <ryback> I'm just trying to download the game at this point.
#58 [02:15] <ryback> I've already got the launcher, but it won't connect to whatever download services is used
#59 [02:15] <ryback> nvm I think I found the problem. Have good morning/evening
#60 [02:16] <slowfi> I never had that problem. it just worked
#61 [02:16] <slowfi> I had other problems
#62 [02:19] <Wug> antivirus programs do that a lot
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#64 [02:20] <slowfi> mcafee antivirus really screws up my computer
#65 [02:20] <slowfi> it never messed up minecraft to my knowledge
#66 [02:21] <slowfi> it makes my browser go strange
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#68 [02:23] <slowfi> I don't understand the security holes of minecraft
#69 [02:24] <slowfi> just what weird kind of viral attack does minecraft expose me to?
#70 [02:25] <Wug> none
#71 [02:25] <Wug> its just your antivirus being suspicious
#72 [02:25] <Wug> not all of them do it
#73 [02:25] <slowfi> no doub there's some risk, but is it worse than mundane browsing?
#74 [02:25] <zzzz> <probably>
#75 [02:25] <Wug> no, its less
#76 [02:25] <GBlock> Got it to work on 10.7.4.
#77 [02:26] <GBlock> Followed the tip for Windows; works for OSX too, it seems.
#78 [02:26] <zzzz> requires direct connect to servers with more ports they know you'll have open
#79 [02:26] <Wug> highly unlikely that anything could go wrong
#80 [02:26] <zzzz> ^
#81 [02:26] <zzzz> still true
#82 [02:26] <Wug> only way they could do anything is if they hijacked minecraft.net
#83 [02:26] <Wug> they could push a malicious update or something
#84 [02:27] <Wug> thats about as likely as a 10 headed baby
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#86 [02:28] <GBlock> You guys may want to spread the word about this, in the ill event you haven't yet: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1401643-minecraft-131-demo-crash-fix-windows/
#87 [02:28] <Wug> what, having someone with premium login first?
#88 [02:28] <GBlock> Again, works for Mac too. (In ~/Library/Application Support/minecraft/ instead of %APPDATA%)
#89 [02:28] <GBlock> Ja.
#90 [02:28] <Wug> yeah its a known fix
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#96 [02:50] <anthead90> hello?
#97 [02:50] <anthead90> i'm having troubles to run minecraft.. probably need some help with bug fixing
#98 [02:54] <anthead90> i downloaded and installed java, got a premium accound, verified with a friend gift code. so i started playing but i couldn't craft any blocks except for flowers and gass despite having a wooden pickaxe. after a while the game quit and i got the message that it has run out of memory.
#99 [02:55] <rymate1234> hmmm
#100 [02:57] <anthead90> maybe you can help me with another problem
#101 [02:57] <anthead90> i've created and downloaded a new skin for my steve, and there are some parts of it that are supposed to be invisible, but they get displayed as black. is there a way to fix this?
#102 [02:58] <Necrodoom> some parts of skin cant be invisible
#103 [02:58] <rymate1234> ^
#104 [02:58] <Necrodoom> most parts*
#105 [02:58] <anthead90> i see. thank you
#106 [02:59] <Necrodoom> only the outer layer of head can be invisible, i think
#107 [02:59] <rymate1234> ^
#108 [02:59] <anthead90> ok, tyvm
#109 [02:59] <anthead90> maybe you can help me with the previous problem aswell?
#110 [03:00] <Necrodoom> how much RAM you have on your computer?
#111 [03:00] <rymate1234> minecraft running out of memory sounds like a ram problem
#112 [03:01] <rymate1234> and you can't craft flowers/grass
#113 [03:01] <anthead90> well, i can punch them and pick them up
#114 [03:01] <Necrodoom> (dirt + seeds)
#115 [03:01] <rymate1234> the minecraft wiki is here http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Minecraft_Wiki :)
#116 [03:01] <Necrodoom> but anyway, what blocks are you trying to mine with wooden pick?
#117 [03:02] <anthead90> my friend told me to start with punching trees, so i did that for ages, but no result. then i found a pick axe inside the chest and used that, but no result. i also tried it on dirt and grass blocks. nothing
#118 [03:03] <anthead90> i'm a little helpless with computers. my memory is 4GB, but i'm not sure if that's what you asked me for
#119 [03:03] <rymate1234> you gotta hold down the mouse button
#120 [03:03] <rymate1234> :)
#121 [03:04] <Necrodoom> also, a pickaxe is for stone, not wood
#122 [03:05] <anthead90> oh, that makes sence. i'm so stupid =)
#123 [03:05] <anthead90> thanks a lot
#124 [03:05] <rymate1234> uhhh.... welcome! :)
#125 [03:06] <anthead90> so what about the ram issue now? you said it's probably my ram. is that like the memory?
#126 [03:08] <Necrodoom> anthead90: whats your operating system?
#127 [03:08] <rymate1234> well, 4GB should be enough
#128 [03:08] <rymate1234> I have 3GB of ram and I never get out of memory
#129 [03:08] <Necrodoom> 1 GB should be enough aswell
#130 [03:08] <Necrodoom> although laggy
#131 [03:10] <anthead90> mine is laggy too. my system is windows 7
#132 [03:10] <zzzz> hahaha
#133 [03:11] <zzzz> i talked one of my friends into getting minecraft and i didnt help him at all except keep saying "the crafting bench is a big wooden block and crafting is very intuitive" and didnt let him google anything
#134 [03:11] <zzzz> took him 20 minutes to figure out how to break blocks
#135 [03:12] <anthead90> you're a good friend reall
#136 [03:12] <zzzz> he loves me for it now
#137 [03:12] <zzzz> made the game for him
#138 [03:12] <zzzz> lol
#139 [03:12] <zzzz> he hated me then sooooo much tho
#140 [03:12] <Necrodoom> anthead90: open task manager
#141 [03:12] <Necrodoom> anthead90: at performance tab
#142 [03:12] <Necrodoom> anthead90: you should see memory
#143 [03:12] <Necrodoom> which is RAM
#144 [03:13] <zzzz> does a potion of fire resistance make you immune to lava¿
#145 [03:13] <rymate1234> Guess
#146 [03:13] <rymate1234> :)
#147 [03:13] <Necrodoom> zzzz: nope
#148 [03:13] <rymate1234> or rather
#149 [03:13] <rymate1234> TRY IT
#150 [03:14] <Necrodoom> zzzz: lava does both fire damage and lava damage
#151 [03:14] <anthead90> uhm. i did what you said, necrodoom, but i'm stil having troubles to find the ram bit. anyways, i know that my computer has 4GB memory
#152 [03:16] <Necrodoom> hm
#153 [03:16] <Necrodoom> more than enough
#154 [03:16] <Necrodoom> idk problem, then
#155 [03:16] <zzzz> sadface :(
#156 [03:16] <anthead90> the message also said it might have to do with java
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#158 [03:17] <Necrodoom> cause minecraft is java
#159 [03:17] <anthead90> ok. thank you very much for your help guys. i appreciate you trying
#160 [03:17] <anthead90> i'd love to offer you some of my pancakes now
#161 [03:18] * Necrodoom teleports to anthead90's house, snatches a pancake, teleports back
#161 [03:18] <anthead90> enjoy =) they're made with love
#162 [03:19] <zzzz> waffles are better
#163 [03:19] <zzzz> my sisters stupid friends are sleeping over for her birthday, so i better get some waffles+bacon for breakfast
#164 [03:20] <zzzz> for putting up with them
#165 [03:20] <anthead90> lol. you're a gentleman, aren't you?
#166 [03:30] <zzzz> she's 13 and so are all her friends
#167 [03:30] <Calinou> lol
#168 [03:30] <zzzz> have you ever had the misfortune of being around 14 bratty pretty 13yo girls?
#169 [03:31] <zzzz> its hell
#170 [03:31] <zzzz> preppy* not pretty -_-
#171 [03:31] * zzzz shuffles awkwardly
#171 [03:32] * Calinou calls a vote for shuffle
#171 [03:32] * zzzz EVERY DAY IM SHUFFLIN'
#171 [03:32] <zzzz> dundundundundundundun
#172 [03:36] <zzzz> there's a pleasant lack of people needing help at 2am today
#173 [03:36] <zzzz> namely, myself
#174 [03:36] <Elystus> zzzz, unfortunately I have ;-;
#175 [03:36] <zzzz> o?
#176 [03:36] <zzzz> well, im bored
#177 [03:36] <zzzz> try me?
#178 [03:36] <Elystus> Want some youtube videos to watch?
#179 [03:37] <zzzz> i was about to watch something on netflix till i remembered i want to watch game of thrones and thats not on there
#180 [03:37] <Elystus> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaV2FFQBku0&feature=g-user-u
#181 [03:37] <DiskDaemon> Now for your daily but of strangeness - Shufflin' to the Star Wars Cantina Band http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYfDEMoeQBI
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#183 [03:37] <zzzz> if we're throwing around youtube videos
#184 [03:37] <zzzz> anyone who hasnt seen this must fix that now
#185 [03:37] <zzzz> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bZkp7q19f0
#186 [03:37] <Calinou> lol, youtube
#187 [03:37] <Wug> http://soundcloud.com/silvermedallion/stay-young
#188 [03:38] <Calinou> to load a 360p 4 minute video I need 15 minutes
#189 [03:38] <zzzz> o.O
#190 [03:38] <zzzz> you sir, need new interwebs
#191 [03:39] <Calinou> yeah
#192 [03:39] * Calinou doesn't live in the US
#192 [03:39] <Wug> I'll fax you one
#193 [03:39] <Calinou> you can't just ask "hi can i have better interwebs" :/
#194 [03:39] <Wug> do you live in europe?
#195 [03:39] <zzzz> lol
#196 [03:39] <Calinou> yes, ofc, lol
#197 [03:39] <Wug> no wait
#198 [03:39] <Wug> i know this
#199 [03:40] <Wug> youre french
#200 [03:40] <Wug> yeah thats it
#201 [03:40] <Calinou> c:
#202 [03:40] <Wug> yeah you're up a creek
#203 [03:40] <Wug> try moving to norway
#204 [03:40] <Wug> I'm pretty sure gigantic pipes are included in their bill of rights
#205 [03:40] <Elystus> Probably the weirdest video you will ever see: http://youtu.be/zuDtACzKGRs
#206 [03:40] <auscompgeek> you think you have bad internet
#207 [03:41] <zzzz> lol
#208 [03:41] <auscompgeek> try living in Australia
#209 [03:41] <Wug> >aue
#210 [03:41] <Wug> aus*
#211 [03:41] <Wug> hehe
#212 [03:41] <zzzz> "im the michael phelps of drinnking!"
#213 [03:41] <Calinou> lol
#214 [03:41] <DiskDaemon> No, I've seen weirder, but that certainly is strange
#215 [03:41] <Calinou> "i have 500 ping olololool" < australians
#216 [03:41] <Calinou> usually
#217 [03:42] <Elystus> zzzz: some of their videos are really funny
#218 [03:43] <zzzz> that *was* staged right
#219 [03:43] <zzzz> also, that shufflin' to the cantina music just made my night
#220 [03:44] <DiskDaemon> thanks :)
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#222 [03:45] <Hamburger00> i Have tried EVERYTHING TO SPEED UP MINECRAFT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE HELP
#223 [03:45] <zzzz> better computer?
#224 [03:45] <Elystus> zzzz: It was staged
#225 [03:46] <Wug> Hamburger00: it might be that your computer isnt up for it, if it still isnt performing well
#226 [03:46] <Hamburger00> just bought a new one
#227 [03:46] <DiskDaemon> Hamburger00: The bst solution is to get better hardware
#228 [03:46] <Hamburger00> how much money
#229 [03:46] <zzzz> aww, youtu.be shortener means it cant be plaed in here
#230 [03:46] <DiskDaemon> Hamburger00: Does yours come with switchable graphics?
#231 [03:46] <Hamburger00> what do you mean?
#232 [03:46] <DiskDaemon> ??> Hamburger00 win/dxdiag
#233 [03:46] <VoxelHead> Hamburger00: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#234 [03:46] <VoxelHead> Hamburger00: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#235 [03:47] <DiskDaemon> We can find out for you from that info
#236 [03:47] <Hamburger00> yep on it now!
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#238 [03:47] <Hamburger00> so which do i press
#239 [03:48] <DiskDaemon> pardon?
#240 [03:48] <DiskDaemon> Which what? Which key on the keyboard?
#241 [03:48] <Legend_slayer> i try to join minecraft through launcher and it says cant connect to minecraft.net but i can still connect through browser play, anyway to fix this?
#242 [03:48] <Hamburger00> on dxdiag now, but what do i look at
#243 [03:48] <Legend_slayer> so that i can play through launcher
#244 [03:49] <Legend_slayer> anyone?
#245 [03:49] <Hamburger00> to get the switchable graphics info
#246 [03:49] <DiskDaemon> Hamburger00: Are you having trouble understanding some of the instructions that VoxelHead gave?
#247 [03:49] <Hamburger00> what do u mean?
#248 [03:50] <DiskDaemon> Hamburger00: Please follow VoxelHead's instructions - we can investigate from there
#249 [03:50] <Legend_slayer> does anyone know how to fix the isue im having?
#250 [03:51] <Legend_slayer> i guess not
#251 [03:51] <zzzz> lol
#252 [03:51] <DiskDaemon> Legend_slayer: Does your launcher show the news section?
#253 [03:51] <Legend_slayer> this is quite gayy
#254 [03:51] <zzzz> not @you legend, @hamburger
#255 [03:51] <Legend_slayer> yes it does
#256 [03:51] <Legend_slayer> it shows news and all that
#257 [03:52] <Legend_slayer> then i just select play offline and go to multiplayer section, and it will show server info etc. but when i join it says bad login
#258 [03:52] <DiskDaemon> Legend_slayer: How about the bottom part of the launcher. Does it have a dirt background or a black background?
#259 [03:52] <Legend_slayer> it has dirt at bottom and a gray background
#260 [03:52] <DiskDaemon> Legend_slayer: You need to log in to play multiplayer.
#261 [03:53] <Legend_slayer> i try to login but it says cant connect
#262 [03:53] <DiskDaemon> Legend_slayer: What do you see when you load up this page: https://login.minecraft.net/?user=Meep&password=notreal&version=13
#263 [03:54] <Legend_slayer> bad login
#264 [03:54] <DiskDaemon> Good, so your hosts file is not likely causing the issue then.
#265 [03:54] <Legend_slayer> is all it says
#266 [03:54] <Legend_slayer> so any idea what the problem could be
#267 [03:55] <DiskDaemon> The problem is that your launcher cannot connect with minecraft.
#268 [03:55] <Legend_slayer> uhm... i kind of knew that. but how to fix this?
#269 [03:56] <DiskDaemon> Ahh, so you're after a solution, not an idea of the problem :)
#270 [03:56] <DiskDaemon> Legend_slayer: Can you get a crash report when it fails to log in? http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Crash#How_to_Get_a_Crash_Report
#271 [03:56] <Legend_slayer> uhm
#272 [03:56] <Legend_slayer> i dont understand?
#273 [03:57] <Wug> DiskDaemon: crash reports are saved by the game engine
#274 [03:57] <Wug> so, after login
#275 [03:57] <Wug> Legend_slayer: when was the last time it worked
#276 [03:57] <DiskDaemon> Wug: Nice - where abouts, and does the launcher save them too?
#277 [03:57] <Legend_slayer> well, a few weeks ago i quit for a lil while, came back and launcher wouldnt work
#278 [03:58] <Legend_slayer> sooo i played on browser
#279 [03:58] <Wug> Legend_slayer: what version of java are you running
#280 [03:58] <Legend_slayer> launcher hasnt worked on multiplayer since
#281 [03:58] <Legend_slayer> 1.6.0_14
#282 [03:59] <Wug> try updating to the most recent version of 7
#283 [03:59] <Wug> when you're done with that, try to login
#284 [03:59] <Wug> it will probably still not work
#285 [03:59] <Legend_slayer> do i have to go onto internet to update it or just java app?
#286 [03:59] <Wug> ill fetch you a link
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#288 [04:00] <Legend_slayer> im not really thje computer expert, as you might be able to tell
#289 [04:00] <Legend_slayer> wut
#290 [04:00] <Wug> Legend_slayer: download this
#291 [04:00] <Wug> http://download.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/7u5-b06/jre-7u5-windows-x64.exe
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#293 [04:01] <Legend_slayer> i feel like a DA but, how to enable cookies is the question
#294 [04:02] <Wug> try http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre7-downloads-1637588.html instead
#295 [04:02] <Wug> pick the last entry in the list
#296 [04:03] <Hamburger00> hi, i have just bought a new computer with 4 gigs of ram, intel core i3 with 2.1ghz of power and intel HD graphics 3000 and i cant even run minecraft on normal distance. normal fps is 15
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#298 [04:04] <Hamburger00> PLEASE, I NEED URGENT HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#299 [04:04] <Legend_slayer> uhm
#300 [04:04] <Legend_slayer> thats your comp settings bubb
#301 [04:04] <Hamburger00> wat?
#302 [04:04] <Legend_slayer> Not minecraft issu
#303 [04:04] <DiskDaemon> Hamburger00: Do you have that dxdiag info for us?
#304 [04:04] <Wug> Hamburger00: did you just get this computer
#305 [04:04] <Hamburger00> yep
#306 [04:04] <blinky> I always get the Hotspot JVM error :(
#307 [04:05] <blinky> What should I do??
#308 [04:05] <Wug> did you get it just to play minecraft
#309 [04:05] <Hamburger00> yep!!!
#310 [04:05] <Wug> blinky: try updating java
#311 [04:05] <Wug> Hamburger00: send it back
#312 [04:05] <blinky> K
#313 [04:05] <Wug> get one with a discrete graphics card
#314 [04:05] <Wug> minecraft is a game
#315 [04:05] <Wug> not a word processor
#316 [04:05] <Legend_slayer> wug
#317 [04:05] <Hamburger00> i thought it was enough!!!! paid 400 bucks
#318 [04:05] <Legend_slayer> i updated java, but it still wont work
#319 [04:05] <blinky> Ya
#320 [04:05] <Wug> Legend_slayer: try disabling your AV.
#321 [04:06] <blinky> That's what happened to me
#322 [04:06] <Hamburger00> tried everything to speed it up!!!!! EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#323 [04:06] <Wug> tell me whether or not it works without it
#324 [04:06] <Legend_slayer> how wug
#325 [04:06] <Wug> Hamburger00: its never going to perform well on that computer
#326 [04:06] <zzzz> hamburger, $400 is nothing for a computer
#327 [04:06] <Wug> nothing you try will make it much better
#328 [04:06] <zzzz> also, as far as things performing
#329 [04:06] <DiskDaemon> ??> Hamburger00 win/dxdiag
#330 [04:06] <VoxelHead> Hamburger00: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#331 [04:06] <Hamburger00> but on the forums it says its more than enough!!!
#332 [04:06] <VoxelHead> Hamburger00: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#333 [04:06] <zzzz> i'm playing on a 5 year old macbook, it runs for me
#334 [04:06] <zzzz> so come at me
#335 [04:07] <Wug> Hamburger00: link to the post and I'll yell at them
#336 [04:07] <Hamburger00> kk
#337 [04:07] <Wug> zzzz: you probably have a graphics card
#338 [04:07] <zzzz> ...macbook
#339 [04:07] <Wug> yeah so
#340 [04:07] <Legend_slayer> Wug: how do i disable AV
#341 [04:07] <Hamburger00> ------------------ System Information ------------------ Time of this report: 8/5/2012, 18:07:09 Machine name: 1-PC Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_gdr.120503-2030) Language: English (Regional Setting: English) System Manufacturer: Acer System Model: Aspire 5750 BIOS: InsydeH2O Version V1.05 Processor: Int
#342 [04:07] <DiskDaemon> Wug: If it's using switchable graphics, he can force it to not use the Intel chip
#343 [04:07] <Wug> Legend_slayer: do you know which one you have
#344 [04:08] <Wug> avast, mcafee, norton?
#345 [04:08] <Wug> avg?
#346 [04:08] <Wug> something else
#347 [04:08] <Wug> ?
#348 [04:08] <Hamburger00> mcaffe
#349 [04:08] <Legend_slayer> oh you mean antivirus?
#350 [04:08] <zzzz> its one of the models with a GMA X3100
#351 [04:08] <DiskDaemon> Hamburger00: Use pastebin - you derp :)
#352 [04:08] * DiskDaemon takes a break
#352 [04:08] <Wug> Hamburger00: use pastebin as voxelhead instructed
#353 [04:08] <zzzz> barely counts as a videocard
#354 [04:08] <Legend_slayer> wug: do you mean AV=AntiVirus?
#355 [04:08] <Wug> Legend_slayer: yes i do.
#356 [04:08] <Legend_slayer> i dont have antivirus
#357 [04:08] <zzzz> wat
#358 [04:09] <Wug> well you might want to get one
#359 [04:09] <zzzz> ^
#360 [04:09] <Hamburger00> http://pastebin.com/3YMHVHGn
#361 [04:09] <Legend_slayer> im jsut not a complete DA on the internet
#362 [04:09] <Hamburger00> THANKS!!!
#363 [04:09] <zzzz> you dont have antivirus
#364 [04:09] <zzzz> that's obviously not true
#365 [04:09] <Legend_slayer> im cheap
#366 [04:09] <Wug> there are free ABS
#367 [04:09] <Wug> AVs*
#368 [04:09] <zzzz> there's really good free open-source antivirus out there
#369 [04:09] <Legend_slayer> well
#370 [04:09] <Wug> you can be cheap and still have one
#371 [04:09] <Legend_slayer> i have AV i forgot about
#372 [04:09] <Legend_slayer> sec
#373 [04:09] <Wug> I havent paid a dollar for software in years
#374 [04:09] <Hamburger00> http://pastebin.com/3YMHVHGn
#375 [04:10] <Wug> Hamburger00: we saw it
#376 [04:10] <Hamburger00> kk :)
#377 [04:10] <Hamburger00> just REALLY annoyed with the company that sold me it
#378 [04:10] <Legend_slayer> wug: i cant find/remember the AV but its a free windows AV
#379 [04:10] <Legend_slayer> firewall is off also
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#381 [04:11] <auscompgeek> Hamburger00: perhaps it's because you're using Intel graphics
#382 [04:11] <Hamburger00> can i do anything about it?
#383 [04:11] <Hamburger00> please help!!!
#384 [04:11] <Legend_slayer> new graphics card?
#385 [04:11] <Wug> Hamburger00: download this and try to install it: http://global-download.acer.com/GDFiles/Driver/VGA/VGA_NVIDIA_8.17.12.8590_W7x64_A.zip?acerid=634647868133707911&Step1=NOTEBOOK&Step2=ASPIRE&Step3=ASPIRE%205750&OS=ALL&LC=en&BC=ACER&SC=PA_7
#386 [04:11] <Hamburger00> dont have enough experience / money
#387 [04:12] <Hamburger00> whats that?
#388 [04:12] <Legend_slayer> Wug: any ideas as to what next?
#389 [04:12] <Wug> Hamburger00: a driver for a graphics card you might have
#390 [04:12] <Wug> Legend_slayer: open the task manager
#391 [04:12] <Legend_slayer> minecraft works in browser but not in launcher
#392 [04:12] <Hamburger00> no, the graphics is intel HD 3000
#393 [04:12] <Wug> Hamburger00: just do it
#394 [04:12] <Hamburger00> or family graphics
#395 [04:12] <Legend_slayer> Wub: task manager is open
#396 [04:12] <Hamburger00> why
#397 [04:12] <Hamburger00> why
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#399 [04:13] <Wug> Hamburger00: because you might have another one that you are missing the driver for
#400 [04:13] <Hamburger00> wont it stuff up my laptop?
#401 [04:13] <Wug> I googled the model number of your computer and thats what came up
#402 [04:13] <Wug> Legend_slayer: is there a process running called rlvknlg.exe
#403 [04:13] <Hamburger00> but on dxdiag it says that its only thing
#404 [04:14] <Hamburger00> intel
#405 [04:14] <Wug> Hamburger00: just do it.
#406 [04:14] <Legend_slayer> Wub: No there isnt
#407 [04:14] <Hamburger00> say 2 hours left on download!!! :]
#408 [04:14] <Wug> Legend_slayer: how about prmrsr.exe
#409 [04:15] <Legend_slayer> Wub: no again
#410 [04:15] <Hamburger00> please just tell me why it would be nvidia when it says intel.
#411 [04:15] <Legend_slayer> theres hkcmd.exe
#412 [04:15] <auscompgeek> Hamburger00: get better internet (not that that's possible in Australia)
#413 [04:15] <Wug> Hamburger00: because you might have another one that you are missing the driver for
#414 [04:15] <Hamburger00> i know i now sound like a whining kid!
#415 [04:15] <Legend_slayer> tons of .exes
#416 [04:15] <Wug> Legend_slayer: there will normally be a lot
#417 [04:15] <Hamburger00> i have optus 120 gigs and 1 mg a second!!!
#418 [04:15] <Wug> open a command prompt
#419 [04:16] <Legend_slayer> me or Hamburg
#420 [04:16] <Wug> you
#421 [04:16] <zzzz> hamburger run the damn thing
#422 [04:16] <zzzz> then tell us what happens
#423 [04:16] <Wug> Hamburger00 is downloading his file
#424 [04:16] <Legend_slayer> its open
#425 [04:16] <Wug> Legend_slayer: where is minecraft.exe
#426 [04:16] <Hamburger00> still downloading!!! only 13.4 mgs
#427 [04:16] <Legend_slayer> desktop and another in programfiles(x86)
#428 [04:17] <auscompgeek> Hamburger00: you're probably capped then
#429 [04:17] <Wug> type:
#430 [04:17] <Wug> cd Desktop
#431 [04:17] <Legend_slayer> and now?
#432 [04:17] <auscompgeek> press Enter
#433 [04:17] <Wug> java --version
#434 [04:17] <Hamburger00> so if i install it , nvidia will just work, even if just sitting there
#435 [04:18] <Wug> (assume enter after every line, all quotes are verbatim)
#436 [04:18] <Legend_slayer> error:could not create the java virtual machine
#437 [04:18] <Wug> Hamburger00: it might not work
#438 [04:18] <Legend_slayer> Error:a fatal exception has occured. program will exit.
#439 [04:18] <Hamburger00> could it stuff up?
#440 [04:18] <Wug> Legend_slayer: my bad. use one dash
#441 [04:18] <Wug> Hamburger00: no
#442 [04:18] <Wug> type:
#443 [04:19] <Hamburger00> how? will it just say its not there?
#444 [04:19] <Wug> java -cp minecraft.exe net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
#445 [04:19] <Legend_slayer> it says 1.7.0_05
#446 [04:19] <Wug> Hamburger00: yep
#447 [04:19] <Hamburger00> kk! :)
#448 [04:19] <Hamburger00> be AWESOME if it was, i dont have alot of money!
#449 [04:19] <Wug> Legend_slayer: try to login again
#450 [04:20] <Hamburger00> so excited!!!!!
#451 [04:20] <Wug> Hamburger00: it might not work
#452 [04:20] <Legend_slayer> it said -cp is not recognized as an internal or external command
#453 [04:20] <Wug> you might have to send the computer back and get a refund, and get a different one
#454 [04:20] <Hamburger00> trying not to hyperventilate
#455 [04:20] <Wug> Legend_slayer: did you forget the java
#456 [04:20] <Hamburger00> why?
#457 [04:20] <Wug> Hamburger00: because it might not work/
#458 [04:20] <Legend_slayer> oh
#459 [04:20] <Legend_slayer> i did
#460 [04:20] <Calinou> lol
#461 [04:21] <Hamburger00> so your saying it's supposed to come with it!
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#463 [04:21] <Legend_slayer> said could not find or load main class net.minecraft.launcherFrame wug
#464 [04:21] <Wug> LauncherFrame
#465 [04:21] <Wug> case sensitive
#466 [04:22] <Legend_slayer> still cant connect to MC wug
#467 [04:23] <Wug> Legend_slayer: kill it with ctrl+c
#468 [04:23] <Legend_slayer> now?
#469 [04:23] <Wug> yes
#470 [04:23] <Wug> hit up to jump to the last command you typed
#471 [04:23] <Legend_slayer> no i mean what next
#472 [04:23] <Wug> add to the end:
#473 [04:23] <Wug> > error.txt
#474 [04:23] <Legend_slayer> space ?
#475 [04:23] <Wug> yeah
#476 [04:24] <Wug> run it and try to login again
#477 [04:24] <Calinou> Wug, O_o windows can do that?
#478 [04:24] <Wug> Calinou: duh
#479 [04:24] <Legend_slayer> still wont work wug
#480 [04:24] <Wug> Legend_slayer: close minecraft
#481 [04:24] <Wug> it should have generated a file on your desktop called error.txt
#482 [04:25] <Wug> which should have some stuff in it
#483 [04:25] <Legend_slayer> it didnt
#484 [04:25] <Hamburger00> should i come back later?
#485 [04:25] <Wug> can you get teamviewer
#486 [04:25] <Legend_slayer> teamviewer?
#487 [04:25] <Wug> Hamburger00: if that download isnt going to finish soon, then yeah
#488 [04:25] <Hamburger00> kk! see ya!
#489 [04:25] <Wug> Legend_slayer: http://www.teamviewer.com/en/download/index.aspx
#490 [04:26] <Wug> grab the most recent one for whatever OS you use
#491 [04:26] <Legend_slayer> what is it for?
#492 [04:26] <Hamburger00> wait, what do i do if your not on when done
#493 [04:26] <Legend_slayer> i have a windows 7 computer
#494 [04:26] <Wug> Hamburger00: im always connected
#495 [04:26] <Wug> you can try again tomorrow afternoon
#496 [04:26] <Hamburger00> r u computer?
#497 [04:26] <Wug> or you can ask someone else for help
#498 [04:26] <Wug> my computer helps.
#499 [04:26] <Legend_slayer> i have no clue what OS i have
#500 [04:27] <Hamburger00> oh. kk. you are a hybrid!
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#502 [04:27] <Wug> Legend_slayer: windows
#503 [04:27] <sam> hi
#504 [04:27] <zzzz> lol
#505 [04:27] <Legend_slayer> oh so for windows 7 its OS 7?
#506 [04:27] <zzzz> wug the hybrid
#507 [04:27] <Hamburger00> lol
#508 [04:27] <auscompgeek> Legend_slayer: no, your OS is Windows
#509 [04:27] <Wug> Legend_slayer: just get the most recent of the windows versions
#510 [04:27] <Wug> (of teamviewer)
#511 [04:28] <Legend_slayer> still what does teamviewer do?
#512 [04:28] <sam> i am getting opengl not find error, plz help
#513 [04:28] <auscompgeek> Wug: just give him a link to the quicksupport client :)
#514 [04:28] <Wug> ??> sam win/dxdiag
#515 [04:28] <VoxelHead> sam: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#516 [04:28] <VoxelHead> sam: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#517 [04:29] <Hamburger00> oh god, its VOXELHEAD!
#518 [04:29] <Calinou> sam, update your video card drivers
#519 [04:29] <Legend_slayer> its 4;30 am here, i have to go to bed soon
#520 [04:29] <Legend_slayer> any quick fix ideas?
#521 [04:29] <Wug> get teamviewer and I'll look at it myself.
#522 [04:30] <Legend_slayer> i still dont get what teamviewr is
#523 [04:30] <Wug> remote access software.
#524 [04:30] <Wug> screen sharing, mouse+keyboard etc
#525 [04:31] <Legend_slayer> this seems like doing ALOT for a baad login.
#526 [04:31] <Rikairchy> 0.0
#527 [04:31] <Legend_slayer> rikai
#528 [04:31] <Rikairchy> hi
#529 [04:32] <Legend_slayer> dont you have a youtube channel and upload vids?
#530 [04:32] <Rikairchy> not that i know of
#531 [04:32] <Wug> you cant login from the client, and you're unable to collect an error message or stack trace
#532 [04:32] <Legend_slayer> getting you miced up
#533 [04:32] <Wug> apart from the generic one
#534 [04:32] <Rikairchy> obv
#535 [04:32] <Calinou> Legend_slayer, do you have a "!" in your windows username? just wondering
#536 [04:32] <Rikairchy> it happens
#537 [04:32] <sam> http://pastebin.com/q9L4rQcc
#538 [04:32] <Wug> Calinou: he says it used to work
#539 [04:32] <Legend_slayer> no calin
#540 [04:33] <Legend_slayer> well actually
#541 [04:33] <Rikairchy> not bad sam
#542 [04:33] <Legend_slayer> im mixing up
#543 [04:33] <Legend_slayer> i had 2 computers but played minecraft on the other
#544 [04:33] <Legend_slayer> it recently broke so downloaded it to this comp[uter
#545 [04:33] <sam> who is answering me, plz tell ur name
#546 [04:33] <Legend_slayer> and its never worked
#547 [04:33] <DiskDaemon> If he had an ! at the end of his computer username, it would cause the bottom part of the launcher to not have a dirt background, but a black background instead
#548 [04:33] <Wug> Legend_slayer: check your username then
#549 [04:33] <Rikairchy> this makes no sense...
#550 [04:33] <Legend_slayer> where do i check?
#551 [04:33] <Wug> DiskDaemon: it breaks in a few different ways
#552 [04:34] <Rikairchy>
#553 [04:34] <Legend_slayer> ive had so many comp acc and names and shit
#554 [04:34] <Wug> Legend_slayer: command prompy
#555 [04:34] <Wug> pt*
#556 [04:34] <Wug> whats the folder name you're in
#557 [04:34] <Rikairchy> Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2720QM CPU @ 2.20GHz (8 CPUs), ~2.2GHz
#558 [04:34] <Rikairchy> Card name: Mobile Intel(R) HD Graphics
#559 [04:34] <Rikairchy> Manufacturer: ATI Technologies Inc.
#560 [04:34] <Legend_slayer> ohh
#561 [04:34] <Rikairchy> sam: your computer seems confused
#562 [04:34] <Legend_slayer> command prompt name?
#563 [04:34] <sam> how?
#564 [04:34] <Wug> Rikairchy: lol
#565 [04:34] <Rikairchy> its got an Intel chip
#566 [04:35] <Rikairchy> says the integrated video card is made by ATI
#567 [04:35] <Wug> identity crisis
#568 [04:35] <Legend_slayer> C:\windows\system32\cmd.exe
#569 [04:35] <Legend_slayer> wug
#570 [04:35] <Rikairchy> no Legend_slayer
#571 [04:35] <Rikairchy> he means
#572 [04:35] <Legend_slayer> idk im just confused lol.
#573 [04:35] <Rikairchy> http://puu.sh/OMjI
#574 [04:35] <Wug> Legend_slayer: the part in the actual prompt before the >
#575 [04:35] <Rikairchy> pics are worth a thousand words
#576 [04:35] <Rikairchy> see where it says Rikai ?
#577 [04:35] <Rikairchy> what does yours say in that place
#578 [04:36] <Legend_slayer> oh
#579 [04:36] <sam> what do i do then?
#580 [04:36] <Wug> Calinou: also, generally it wont work in browser either if its the username
#581 [04:36] <Legend_slayer> C:\Users\Billings Family\
#582 [04:36] <Rikairchy> theres a space.
#583 [04:36] <Rikairchy> i see
#584 [04:36] <Wug> spaces dont do it
#585 [04:36] <Wug> its only ! as far as I know
#586 [04:36] <Legend_slayer> thats what it says in the Command prompt
#587 [04:36] <Rikairchy> Legend_slayer
#588 [04:36] <Legend_slayer> yes rikai
#589 [04:36] <Rikairchy> have you heard of teamviewer?
#590 [04:36] <Wug> here we go again
#591 [04:37] <auscompgeek> lol
#592 [04:37] <Rikairchy> you are the only one that hasnt called me rika or rikair
#593 [04:37] <Rikairchy> :D
#594 [04:37] <Legend_slayer> wug just sent me a link a minute or two ago
#595 [04:37] <Rikairchy> :o
#596 [04:37] <Rikairchy> good man that Wug
#597 [04:37] <Wug> Legend_slayer: you should download it
#598 [04:37] <Rikairchy> wug wug wub
#599 [04:37] * Wug pounces on Rikairchy
#599 [04:37] <Legend_slayer> i dont want to download shit lol
#600 [04:37] <Rikairchy> :D
#601 [04:37] <Legend_slayer> but fine
#602 [04:37] <Wug> Legend_slayer: im otherwise out of ideas
#603 [04:37] <Rikairchy> you can allow one of us to remotely fix it for you
#604 [04:37] <Wug> so its either that or bust
#605 [04:37] <Rikairchy> saves you the hassle
#606 [04:37] <Rikairchy> and you can stop it at any time
#607 [04:38] <Legend_slayer> DLING
#608 [04:38] <Rikairchy> sam: i might be able to unconfuse your computer
#609 [04:38] <Legend_slayer> but im leaving in about 10 minutes
#610 [04:38] <Rikairchy> but we'd need to use teamviewer as well
#611 [04:38] <Wug> you shoulda seen the reaction from the last time i used teamviewer
#612 [04:38] <auscompgeek> Wug: TeamViewer QuickSupport client link: http://www.teamviewer.com/download/TeamViewerQS_en.exe
#613 [04:38] <sam> ok
#614 [04:38] <Wug> the guy freaked out a little bit
#615 [04:38] <zzzz> nobody likes downloading shit
#616 [04:38] <zzzz> but downloading very useful stuffs good
#617 [04:38] <Elystus> Wug: How so?
#618 [04:38] <Rikairchy> my mom unplugged the computer when i was doing remote support for her
#619 [04:38] <Wug> Elystus: ill dig up a log later
#620 [04:39] <Elystus> okay :3
#621 [04:39] <Legend_slayer> .can i just run teamviewer and not install wug?
#622 [04:39] <Wug> yes
#623 [04:39] <Legend_slayer> do u need my id and pass wug?
#624 [04:39] <Wug> yep
#625 [04:39] <Wug> you should pm it to me
#626 [04:39] <Legend_slayer> how?
#627 [04:39] <Wug> and not post it to the whole channel
#628 [04:39] <sam> any help....well
#629 [04:39] <Legend_slayer> @wug hi
#630 [04:39] <zzzz> awwww
#631 [04:39] <Legend_slayer> thats not it
#632 [04:39] <Rikairchy> sam: how's teamviewer coming along?
#633 [04:39] <Wug> use /msg wug <stuff goes here>
#634 [04:40] <Legend_slayer> did u guys just see that?
#635 [04:40] <Calinou> no
#636 [04:40] <zzzz> if you're familiar with MC, most of the chat-related commands are based of irc
#637 [04:40] * Wug kicked Rikairchy from #minecrafthelp (Reason: ikairchy ::D Rikairchy> <stuff goes here>)
#638 [04:40] <Legend_slayer> when i said hi to wug?
#639 [04:40] <zzzz> off*
#640 [04:40] <sam> i dont have teamviewer
#641 [04:40] <Wug> I got it
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#643 [04:40] <Wug> send the id and pass that way
#644 [04:40] <Rikairchy> wug wug wub :(
#645 [04:41] <Legend_slayer> i just tried to send it
#646 [04:41] <Legend_slayer> did you get it wug?
#647 [04:41] <Rikairchy> sam: how is it coming?
#648 [04:41] <sam> i dont hav it
#649 [04:41] <Wug> Legend_slayer: yes, im connected
#650 [04:41] <Wug> show me what happens
#651 [04:41] <Rikairchy> you should get it...
#652 [04:42] <Calinou> Rikairchy has his own domain O_o
#653 [04:42] <Wug> it might help to save your username
#654 [04:42] <Legend_slayer> i forget
#655 [04:42] <sam> why reason is it important
#656 [04:42] <Rikairchy> yes
#657 [04:42] <Rikairchy> i do
#658 [04:42] <Rikairchy> and it shows what I like
#659 [04:42] <Legend_slayer> but that is what happenes wug
#660 [04:42] <Wug> so I can try to login without you having to type the password every 15 seconds
#661 [04:42] <Wug> ok, hang on a sec
#662 [04:43] <Rikairchy> sam: whats your native language?
#663 [04:43] <sam> gibberish
#664 [04:43] <Wug> found it
#665 [04:43] <Wug> set your computer clock to the right time
#666 [04:43] <Legend_slayer> cant
#667 [04:43] <Legend_slayer> cmos battery is fucked
#668 [04:43] * AuBot kicked Legend_slayer from #minecrafthelp (Reason: egend_slayer :Please keep it civil.)
#669 [04:44] <Rikairchy> yay
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#671 [04:44] <Rikairchy> sam is bad troll
#672 [04:44] <Legend_slayer> cmos bettery is messed up
#673 [04:44] <Calinou> O_o
#674 [04:44] <Legend_slayer> i cant change it
#675 [04:44] <sam> what is a troll
#676 [04:44] <Rikairchy> is it a laptop or desktop
#677 [04:44] <sam> laptop
#678 [04:44] <Rikairchy> not you sam
#679 [04:45] <Wug> replace that battery.
#680 [04:45] <Legend_slayer> is it fixed?
#681 [04:45] <Rikairchy> Legend_slayer: desktop or laptop
#682 [04:45] <Wug> until you restart.
#683 [04:45] <sam> what do i do????
#684 [04:45] <Legend_slayer> if my comp unplugs it turns off
#685 [04:45] <Wug> or until it forgets the time for some other reason
#686 [04:45] <Legend_slayer> soo
#687 [04:45] <Legend_slayer> also
#688 [04:45] <Rikairchy> hey Wug
#689 [04:45] <Wug> yeah, get the cmos battery replaced
#690 [04:45] <Legend_slayer> cmos battery is what keeps track of time and date but its b ad
#691 [04:45] <Rikairchy> i have a feeling sam may be a troll D:
#692 [04:45] <Legend_slayer> just replaced it about a month ago
#693 [04:46] <Wug> is it in backwards
#694 [04:46] <sam> i am not!!!!!!
#695 [04:46] <Rikairchy> is greybot broken?
#696 [04:46] <Wug> Rikairchy: its not me
#697 [04:46] <Legend_slayer> this computer didnt work for awhile but we replaced cmos battery and it works now
#698 [04:46] <Rikairchy> or aubot
#699 [04:46] <Rikairchy> or whomever
#700 [04:46] <sam> by the way whats a troll
#701 [04:46] <zzzz> aubot and voxel are working
#702 [04:46] <Wug> Legend_slayer: if you have a tech savvy relative, you can ask them to fiddle with it
#703 [04:46] <zzzz> they dont like me :(
#704 [04:47] <Wug> if you tell them whats wrong with it they will probably know some things to try
#705 [04:47] <Rikairchy> shouldnt it have set +q on sam for the exclamation marks?
#706 [04:47] <Rikairchy> it does for me :(
#707 [04:47] <skyboy> so, the CMOS battery is dead, but it works after you replaced it a month ago
#708 [04:47] <Wug> like resetting the bios
#709 [04:47] <Legend_slayer> thanks wug
#710 [04:47] <Legend_slayer> it was dead ad didnt work
#711 [04:47] <Wug> just set the time to sometime recent when you want to play minecraft
#712 [04:47] <Legend_slayer> but we replaced it and it snapped back on
#713 [04:47] <Legend_slayer> i gtg now
#714 [04:48] <Legend_slayer> its almost 5 am here.
#715 [04:48] <Wug> here too. night
#716 [04:48] <Rikairchy> same here
#717 [04:48] <Legend_slayer> wug
#718 [04:48] <zzzz> same
#719 [04:48] <Legend_slayer> you live on east coast?
#720 [04:48] <Rikairchy> night Legend_slayer
#721 [04:48] <zzzz> gnight actually
#722 [04:48] <Rikairchy> night zzzz
#723 [04:48] <Wug> no, i live on mars
#724 [04:48] <sam> should i do something
#725 [04:48] <Legend_slayer> well gnight everyone
#726 [04:48] <Wug> its just that time of the month when the days happen to coincide
#727 [04:48] <Rikairchy> ah
#728 [04:48] <Legend_slayer> wug
#729 [04:48] <Legend_slayer> real quick
#730 [04:48] <Wug> its chilly here
#731 [04:49] <Legend_slayer> if i start minecraft from a different location will it still work?
#732 [04:49] <Rikairchy> from a different computer?
#733 [04:49] <Wug> Legend_slayer: different location as in what
#734 [04:49] <Legend_slayer> like program files folder?
#735 [04:49] <Rikairchy> no
#736 [04:49] <Wug> file in different place? yes
#737 [04:49] <Legend_slayer> k
#738 [04:49] <Wug> the only thing that was wrong was the clock
#739 [04:49] <Legend_slayer> thanks for the help
#740 [04:49] <Rikairchy> couldnt authenticate to the login servers?
#741 [04:49] <Wug> yep
#742 [04:49] <Legend_slayer> so just changed the clock and it worked
#743 [04:49] <Wug> ssl cert isnt valid before november 2011
#744 [04:50] <sam> DO U HAVE ANY SOLUTION FOR MY PROBLEM
#745 [04:50] <Legend_slayer> holy shit
#746 [04:50] <Legend_slayer> thats right
#747 [04:50] <Wug> --> cannot connect to minecraft.net
#748 [04:50] <Legend_slayer> OMFG
#749 [04:50] <Rikairchy> lolfail
#750 [04:50] <Legend_slayer> thats why i was getting certificate errors every time i changed the page
#751 [04:50] <Wug> that would do it
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#753 [04:50] <Legend_slayer> that is not my strong moment
#754 [04:50] <Rikairchy> thats actually quite funny
#755 [04:50] <Wug> sam: can you come back tomorrow afternoon
#756 [04:51] <Legend_slayer> alright
#757 [04:51] <Legend_slayer> goodnight forreal
#758 [04:51] <Legend_slayer> ill probably forget tomorrow and be back here asking the same question
#759 [04:51] <sam> WHAT TIME I M IN SYDNEY
#760 [04:51] <Wug> sam: 12 hours from now
#761 [04:51] <Wug> give or take
#762 [04:51] <Wug> someone will be here, even if it isnt me
#763 [04:52] <Rikairchy> that guy Rikairchy might be here
#764 [04:52] <Rikairchy> watch out, he isnt nice though
#765 [04:52] <sam> NO ITS NOT FEASABLE TIME, ANY OTHER TIME
#766 [04:52] <Rikairchy> don't type in caps please
#767 [04:52] <Wug> later than that then
#768 [04:52] <sam> I CAN COME AFTER 21 HOURS FROM NOW
#769 [04:52] <Rikairchy> its rude
#770 [04:52] <skyboy> ??> sam attitude
#771 [04:52] <VoxelHead> sam: (attitude) The people in #MineCraftHelp offering assistance have no affiliation with Mojang, and are volunteering their time. Please treat them, and #MineCraftHelp, with respect.
#772 [04:52] <VoxelHead> sam: (attitude) In short, the more of a jerk you are, the lower-priority your questions will be. We are not the Mojang complaint department.
#773 [04:53] <sam> accidental capslock
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#775 [04:53] <Rikairchy> riiiight.
#776 [04:53] <sam> sorry i dont meant, i will be not at home
#777 [04:53] <Rikairchy> so come back at a later time
#778 [04:53] <Rikairchy> when you are home
#779 [04:53] <DiskDaemon> sam: You should note that nobody here works for Mojang. We're random volunteers here from all over the world who help from the goodness of our hearts
#780 [04:53] <sam> ok, thanks
#781 [04:53] <Rikairchy> or boredom
#782 [04:54] <sam> plz dont mind
#783 [04:54] <Rikairchy> its not twitter, you can say 'please'
#784 [04:54] <sam> sorry i did n't know that u r voulenteer
#785 [04:54] <sam> i thought its tech support
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#787 [04:55] <skyboy> ?? dont/tweet
#788 [04:55] <VoxelHead> dont/tweet: IRC has a very generous limit on the length of its messages. Please, for the sake of our sanity, use complete words, such as 'you', 'one', and 'are', and not 'u', '1', and 'r'.
#789 [04:55] <DiskDaemon> ?? dont/tweet
#790 [04:55] <sam> ok
#791 [04:55] <DiskDaemon> skyboy: Slow bot is slow :)
#792 [04:56] <sam> i will come again tomorrow, thanks for all your help
#793 [04:56] <DiskDaemon> There are also people in here who are not from English countries, so words such as "ur" mean completely different things to them there.
#794 [04:56] <DiskDaemon> you're welcome
#795 [04:56] <skyboy> DiskDaemon: it has a time out on factoids so the same one isn't sent rapidly by multiple people using it all at once
#796 [04:57] <Rikairchy> nice
#797 [04:57] <sam> quit
#798 [04:57] <Rikairchy> /quit
#799 [04:57] <DiskDaemon> It does indeed - I was referring to how VoxelHead didn't respond until more than 15 seconds after my request
#800 [04:58] <skyboy> your request showed up on my screen after voxelhead replied
#801 [04:58] <skyboy> 13 seconds behind according to timestamps
#802 [04:58] <Rikairchy> actually
#803 [04:58] <Rikairchy> http://puu.sh/OMxf
#804 [04:59] <skyboy> my ping is 0.02 seconds :P
#805 [04:59] <DiskDaemon> Yes, the amount of delay varies depending on where you are in the world, and networking capabilities
#806 [05:00] <skyboy> normally it's 0.72. i wonder what's different
#807 [05:00] <skyboy> oh, i'm on apocalypse instead of chaos
#808 [05:01] <Rikairchy> i'm connected to my box in PA, which is connecting to chaos
#809 [05:01] <skyboy> that explains why you got them all at once
#810 [05:01] <Rikairchy> i normally have 20ms lag between my machine and the box
#811 [05:02] <skyboy> that's on top of the 720ms lag between the box and chaos
#812 [05:02] <Wug> 720ms?
#813 [05:02] <Wug> what's it hosted on, a phone?
#814 [05:02] <skyboy> 0.72 seconds
#815 [05:02] <skyboy> it's probably just overloaded with clients
#816 [05:03] <Rikairchy> i doubt my box lags that much to chaos
#817 [05:03] <skyboy> 5/7 of my joins land on chaos
#818 [05:03] <Rikairchy> PING chaos.esper.net (72.14.191.81) 56(84) bytes of data.
#819 [05:03] <Rikairchy> 64 bytes from li106-81.members.linode.com (72.14.191.81): icmp_req=1 ttl=48 time=23.6 ms
#820 [05:03] <Rikairchy> chaos is a linode
#821 [05:04] <Rikairchy> :o
#822 [05:04] <Wug> my ping to chaos is like 150ms
#823 [05:05] <Rikairchy> from my PC to chaos is 67 o.o
#824 [05:05] <skyboy> 39ms
#825 [05:05] <Elystus> !ping
#826 [05:05] <GreyBot> Elystus Your Ping time was 0.343 seconds.
#827 [05:05] <Elystus> \o/
#828 [05:05] <Rikairchy> !ping
#829 [05:05] <skyboy> why does my client always report 720 ms then?
#830 [05:05] <Wug> !doop
#831 [05:05] <skyboy> !ping
#832 [05:05] <GreyBot> skyboy Your Ping time was 0.561 seconds.
#833 [05:05] <Rikairchy> !ping
#834 [05:05] <Wug> !weh
#835 [05:05] <Rikairchy> :|
#836 [05:05] <Rikairchy> !ping
#837 [05:06] <GreyBot> Rikairchy Your Ping time was 0.546 seconds.
#838 [05:06] <skyboy> i think greybot is on chaos
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#840 [05:06] <EmC> at lat
#841 [05:06] <EmC> helpppppppppppppp
#842 [05:06] <skyboy> nope, aperture
#843 [05:06] <EmC> huh
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#845 [05:07] <EmC> i bought MC a while back
#846 [05:07] <EmC> got a new pc...now it says im not premiumn
#847 [05:07] <EmC> ive checkd bank statements
#848 [05:07] <EmC> and no returns
#849 [05:07] <Rikairchy> thats weird.
#850 [05:07] <skyboy> are you logging in with the correct account?
#851 [05:07] <EmC> yes
#852 [05:07] <skyboy> what's your account?
#853 [05:07] <Rikairchy> GreyBot is on aperture
#854 [05:07] <EmC> i managed to reset the pass..they sent me a new one
#855 [05:08] <EmC> emc13
#856 [05:08] <skyboy> !paid emc13
#857 [05:08] <EmC> lies!!
#858 [05:08] <skyboy> what was the account you were using before?
#859 [05:08] <EmC> im sure it ws that
#860 [05:08] <EmC> i deff paid for it
#861 [05:09] <EmC> during beta i think it was...late beta
#862 [05:09] <skyboy> you were either using an illegal client or you were using a different account
#863 [05:09] <DiskDaemon> EmC: type in your email address to http://www.minecraft.net/retrievename
#864 [05:09] <EmC> no through they're site
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#866 [05:09] <EmC> would it say succesful no matter the email?
#867 [05:10] <EmC> because i use several email acc :P
#868 [05:10] <Wug> it would if you have several accounts on different emails
#869 [05:10] <EmC> yeh its emc13
#870 [05:10] <DiskDaemon> It doesn't say successful if it doesn't know you by the email address you gave
#871 [05:10] <skyboy> try your other emails
#872 [05:11] <EmC> well my other email account was hacked so i shut it down
#873 [05:11] <EmC> but ill try the others
#874 [05:11] <Wug> do you still have the transaction receipt
#875 [05:11] <DiskDaemon> EmC: Well the emc13 account is definately no longer premium. Where did you buy it from?
#876 [05:11] <EmC> pfff no new pc :(
#877 [05:11] <Wug> it should be in your email.
#878 [05:11] <EmC> from the website itself
#879 [05:11] <Wug> assuming you didnt delete it.
#880 [05:12] <DiskDaemon> EmC: There is help for that - I'll just get it
#881 [05:12] <DiskDaemon> EmC: http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/329541-my-account-is-no-longer-premium
#882 [05:12] <EmC> yeh i read that daemon
#883 [05:13] <EmC> but doesnt seem to apply with me
#884 [05:13] <EmC> ive checked bank statements from the last year
#885 [05:13] <EmC> no incomes from minecraft/mojang etc
#886 [05:13] <DiskDaemon> EmC: You will need the transaction id from your purchase, as proof of purchase when contacting Mojang. That prevents other people from trying to take over your account.
#887 [05:14] <EmC> hmmm cant find in emails
#888 [05:14] <EmC> ...shit
#889 [05:14] <DiskDaemon> EmC: There is a section on that page called "If none of the above applies to your issue" which does seem to apply to your issue :)
#890 [05:15] <EmC> ahh must of skimmed that bit :P
#891 [05:16] <DiskDaemon> We do have a somewhat tame accounts person who regularly comes in here. If you do see Marc in here on a repeated visit to this channel, he might have other information to help you in terms of your account.
#892 [05:16] <DiskDaemon> However, without information such as the transaction id, there is very little that he can do.
#893 [05:17] <EmC> cant find at all...
#894 [05:18] <DiskDaemon> I believe you, but how is Mojang to know that you're the one who owns the account?
#895 [05:18] <EmC> yeh i understand
#896 [05:18] <EmC> as the saying goes...its not what you know...its what you can prove :(
#897 [05:19] <DiskDaemon> EmC: I suggest you try your other email accounts at that miencraft web page, in case it was one of the other accounts that you have which was paid for instead. http://www.minecraft.net/retrievename
#898 [05:20] <EmC> they fail on all...plus my ellcun@hotmail was deleted due to hackd ...which really would of been my main email at the time also
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#900 [05:23] <DiskDaemon> EmC: I'm sorry that we can't help you further on this
#901 [05:23] <LordLynxx> hello, how can i set my server that player nametags dont fade in the distance? is it a mod?
#902 [05:24] <EmC> :( well i aint paying for it again....and im sure its gone up in price since the beta stage
#903 [05:24] <Calinou> LordLynxx, you have to use client mods
#904 [05:24] <Calinou> name tags are shown up to 64 blocks away. they are not shown through walls if the player is sneaking
#905 [05:25] <LordLynxx> ive been to a server some time ago and all name tags were shown no matter the distance. Im sure its in some mod pack because i couldnt google it specifically
#906 [05:26] <Calinou> you need client mods; a server mod can't do that
#907 [05:27] <LordLynxx> i see, can you name one for me?
#908 [05:27] <Calinou> no, I don't know any
#909 [05:27] <LordLynxx> okay thanks for the help
#910 [05:27] <Calinou> I said it was a possibility. make it yourself, find it yourself
#911 [05:30] <DiskDaemon> EmC: Do you still have access to the data from the old computer?
#912 [05:31] <EmC> nope had to wipe the drive
#913 [05:31] <EmC> then the HDD failed so just bought a new one
#914 [05:31] <EmC> ive not accessed my MC account for some time...and just these last couple of days i decided to give it another gay
#915 [05:32] <EmC> gay :S go*
#916 [05:32] <EmC> how the hell did i typo that
#917 [05:32] <EmC> but yeh..
#918 [05:32] <Wug> well, send mojang an email
#919 [05:32] <Wug> only one email
#920 [05:32] <Wug> they have a big backlog
#921 [05:32] <Wug> sending a bunch doesnt help
#922 [05:32] <EmC> ok ill get on it now
#923 [05:32] <DiskDaemon> EmC: Had you at any stage migrated your account to mojang.com ?
#924 [05:32] <EmC> migrated??
#925 [05:33] <EmC> all i know is i bought the game during beta through their site
#926 [05:33] <EmC> thats it :P
#927 [05:33] <DiskDaemon> So that you use your email/password to log in to the game
#928 [05:33] <DiskDaemon> Okay - if you had migrated your account, it would have been much easier for you to gain back your account without needing the transaction id
#929 [05:34] <EmC> like i said ...i only played a real while back..and not for long at all...and now...proabably 12 months later ive decided to come back
#930 [05:34] <EmC> but when i try and login it just simply says not PREM
#931 [05:34] <DiskDaemon> So as things stand, you're not sure which account of yours is the one that you made premium, you can't access some of your email accounts, and records from your emails is now gone too.
#932 [05:35] <EmC> no i have that email now...well so MC says its that ...ive reset the pass as i forgot that...due to the length of time not playing since
#933 [05:35] <EmC> im going to see if its in my pay pal records
#934 [05:36] <DiskDaemon> Yes, it will be there
#935 [05:38] <DiskDaemon> EmC: This is what I was working towards. With credit card payments it is Moneybookers who retain a record of your transaction, and with paypal you can find a record with them too.
#936 [05:38] <EmC> who is the company who it is paid too?
#937 [05:38] <DiskDaemon> to Mojang AB
#938 [05:39] <DiskDaemon> The transaction doesn't mention the account name, but you can use the transaction id from the payment when contacting Mojang about your issue.
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#940 [05:40] <EmC> got it!!
#941 [05:40] <EmC> 14.95 euro
#942 [05:41] <EmC> now what ..
#943 [05:42] <DiskDaemon> There will be a transaction id associated with that transaction
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#946 [05:50] <EmC> yes want me to just email that to them?
#947 [05:51] <DiskDaemon> Send an email with full details of your situation, and make it nice and clear near the beginning what your transaction id and username are.
#948 [05:52] <EmC> ok thanks :D
#949 [05:52] <EmC> ill keep you posted on what happensd
#950 [05:52] <DiskDaemon> If you're not sure about which username was used, they're likely to just email you back in 3 months time saying that the transaction id didn't match the username you gave. So if you're not sure, make that clear too. You have the transaction id though so that will help you out a lot.
#951 [05:53] <EmC> no my user is deff emc13
#952 [05:53] <EmC> i remember that for sure nwo
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#955 [06:20] <cascraft1> hello
#956 [06:20] <cascraft1> i have a problem
#957 [06:20] <cascraft1> i can play minecraft on my pc but
#958 [06:20] <cascraft1> after playing it for a quarter the game get slow
#959 [06:20] <cascraft1> after playing it for a quarter the game get slow
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#961 [06:23] <Rikairchy> wow
#962 [06:23] <Rikairchy> not even a full 30 seconds
#963 [06:25] <DiskDaemon> The record over on #aethermod is 11 seconds, from join, to comment, to quit.
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#965 [06:26] <xaibai> hello
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#967 [06:27] <xaibai> Can I change my game name?
#968 [06:27] <DiskDaemon> sorry, no. You get what you paid for.
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#970 [06:29] <xaibai> I am a Premium user
#971 [06:29] <xaibai> but i don't like my gamename
#972 [06:30] <DiskDaemon> xaibai: Then you shouldn't have chosen that gamename when buying.
#973 [06:30] <DiskDaemon> You can buy another game name that's more to your liking though
#974 [06:30] <xaibai> 好吧
#975 [06:30] <xaibai> 不給改就不給改
#976 [06:31] <DiskDaemon> 它是它是什么
#977 [06:31] <skyboy> i don't speak that language, but i get the feeling that it wasn't nice
#978 [06:32] <xaibai> 我是人
#979 [06:32] <DiskDaemon> In this case, such feelings are inappropriate
#980 [06:32] <DiskDaemon> "not to change is not to change"
#981 [06:32] <xaibai> 我不能說繁體中文?
#982 [06:32] <dadeputy> I bought my son minecraft, and we want to play on a local server, but (logically) we cannot log on to the server simultaneously. Is there a way to log on to our local server without kicking the one that is on there already (without buying another premium account, my wallet is not an everflowing chalice)
#983 [06:32] <DiskDaemon> xaibai: I have been accused of being a bot on many occasions
#984 [06:33] <xaibai> 抱歉,我不懂英文 google翻譯翻出來也很奇怪
#985 [06:33] <DiskDaemon> dadeputy: Sorry, if you want two people in a server, that tends to require two paid accounts
#986 [06:33] <skyboy> ooh, i recognize the character for people/person!
#987 [06:34] <xaibai> 豪啦 那窩先退出ㄌ ㄅㄅ
#988 [06:34] <skyboy> the alternative for just local play is something that we can not condone in this channel, dadeputy
#989 [06:34] <dadeputy> well, that is what I gathered from the response, but I always look for the most honest ways to solve my probles :)
#990 [06:35] <skyboy> also, "Dear E-Mail user, your account is..." blah blah. these spam emails are occasionally mildly entertaining
#991 [06:35] <skyboy> dadeputy: well, if it's only local play and for joining your son, it's difficult to claim it's dishonest in its entirely
#992 [06:36] <dadeputy> yah, I know, but I was looking for a way that it was fully supported
#993 [06:37] <skyboy> well, there is a demo version for 1.3.1. dunno if it supports MP on LAN, though
#994 [06:37] <skyboy> ?? demo
#995 [06:37] <dadeputy> also, it would make life easier, seeing as that I usualy am too lazy to use google in en effective manner
#996 [06:37] <VoxelHead> demo: In order to play Minecraft's demo, download the launcher from www.minecraft.net/download and log in with your account, then select "Play Demo".
#997 [06:37] <VoxelHead> demo: Note: As of today (05.08.2012) the demo is not working for many different people and OSes.
#998 [06:37] <dadeputy> the demo account however only supports play for up o 5 game days
#999 [06:37] <Grim_Reaper> 5 minecraft days ingame ~
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#1001 [06:38] <skyboy> i was under the impression that the demo could last indefinitely, so long as you relog
#1002 [06:38] <DiskDaemon> Can that demo info be updated to say that the demo currently only works when a premium user has already downloaded the game?
#1003 [06:38] <sh4z> how to play on a 1.2.5 server with 1.3.1
#1004 [06:38] <Grim_Reaper> sh4z you cant
#1005 [06:38] <skyboy> sh4z: you can not
#1006 [06:38] <Grim_Reaper> You need the 1.2.5 files
#1007 [06:38] <sh4z> how can i get the 1.2.5 files again
#1008 [06:38] <DiskDaemon> sh4z: you can't - upgrade (or downgrade) to match
#1009 [06:38] <DiskDaemon> ?? mcnostalgia
#1010 [06:38] <sh4z> looking at that now
#1011 [06:39] <sh4z> theres no "official" way to do it
#1012 [06:39] <sh4z> i am guessing
#1013 [06:39] <DiskDaemon> ?? oldversion
#1014 [06:39] <VoxelHead> oldversion: The only legal way to obtain old versions, other than having your own backups, is using the MCNostalgia tool which applies binary patches to the .jar. It can be found here: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/800346-tool-mcnostalgia-201/
#1015 [06:39] <Grim_Reaper> Yeah no official way
#1016 [06:39] <sh4z> okay.
#1017 [06:40] <sh4z> Thanks for your help
#1018 [06:40] <sh4z> Thanks for your help
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#1023 [07:00] <gv> DiskDaemon: write up how you want it to say and I'll change it
#1024 [07:01] <DiskDaemon> How about how it's said in the version history? "Clicking on demo mode without the game installed will not work, and instead freeze at game updating and not download."
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#1026 [07:02] <skyboy> http://i.imgur.com/dvrFA.png
#1027 [07:02] <skyboy> i must say, a demo mode that does not function unless you've purchased the full game already is kind of... pointless, at best
#1028 [07:02] <Arle> yeah :|
#1029 [07:03] <skyboy> image unrelated, btw
#1030 [07:08] <Necrodoom> mojang are weirdos
#1031 [07:08] <Necrodoom> speaking of it, how do i launch demo as premium?
#1032 [07:08] <skyboy> i imagine the answer is "you do not"
#1033 [07:09] <DiskDaemon> I think that initial demo testing may have only occurred on systems that already had the game installed.
#1034 [07:09] <DiskDaemon> That's my only explanation for such a situation.
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#1036 [07:09] <DiskDaemon> Necrodoom: You would need to log in using a non-premium account.
#1037 [07:10] <Necrodoom> "login failed"
#1038 [07:10] <Necrodoom> hm
#1039 [07:11] <skyboy> heh
#1040 [07:15] <DiskDaemon> So from my reckoining, the demo mode is primarily of use for premium players, so that they can allow other non-premium people to try things out without putting their existing world at risk.
#1041 [07:16] <Necrodoom> DiskDaemon: so.. make a new world?
#1042 [07:16] <Necrodoom> DiskDaemon: that way theres no limit
#1043 [07:17] <DiskDaemon> Ahh, but if you just make a new world, it's possible for the demo player to then load up a different world
#1044 [07:17] <Necrodoom> what?
#1045 [07:19] <DiskDaemon> If the non-premium player uses your own account in a new world, not only are they able to affect your own statistics, but they also have full access to your minecraft account and the saves of your account too.
#1046 [07:19] <skyboy> Necrodoom: the person you're letting try MC can exit the world then load one of your other ones
#1047 [07:19] <DiskDaemon> That is why the demo login is of a benefit to premium users - because such risks no longer occur.
#1048 [07:19] <Necrodoom> hm, probably
#1049 [07:20] <gv> Really don't think that's how the demo version is supposed to work
#1050 [07:20] <DiskDaemon> Probably? What weaknesses do you see there?
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#1052 [07:20] <gv> Think I'll wait for mojang to say something.
#1053 [07:21] <DiskDaemon> gv: It's not how we think that demos are supposed to work, but it is how this current demo works.
#1054 [07:21] * gv nods
#1054 [07:21] <Grim_Reaper> https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/487335_413783201975582_1353219433_n.jpg
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#1057 [07:34] <Thore> hi, i have a problem with the Elemental Arrows Mod. I copied all files into the minecraft.jar. It works but all arrows are unnamed and there is no icon. Can someone help?
#1058 [07:35] <Necrodoom> ?? mods
#1059 [07:35] <VoxelHead> mods: This channel is not a venue for mod support, or support for modded servers. As it is impossible for anybody to know every combination of mods out there, this channel does not assist with unofficial third-party modded content.
#1060 [07:35] <VoxelHead> mods: For single player mods, contact the mod's creator or try http://tiny.cc/modinstall for general installation instructions. For bukkit help, use #bukkit; you can also search Google for a mod's installation instructions.
#1061 [07:35] <Boreeas> Thore: I recommend that you ask about that in the forum thread, in the mods IRC channel, if there is one, or in #risucraft
#1062 [07:35] <DiskDaemon> Thore: Sorry, we don't help with mods here
#1063 [07:35] <DiskDaemon> ?? mods
#1064 [07:35] <VoxelHead> mods: This channel is not a venue for mod support, or support for modded servers. As it is impossible for anybody to know every combination of mods out there, this channel does not assist with unofficial third-party modded content.
#1065 [07:36] <VoxelHead> mods: For single player mods, contact the mod's creator or try http://tiny.cc/modinstall for general installation instructions. For bukkit help, use #bukkit; you can also search Google for a mod's installation instructions.
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#1071 [07:45] <ObscuraLuna> hallo suche dringend support bitte auf deutsch ich kann minecraft nicht installieren
#1072 [07:46] <woodtech> ObscuraLuna: sorry, we only talk english on this channel
#1073 [07:47] <ObscuraLuna> how can i get support in german?
#1074 [07:47] <woodtech> getting luck that someone else does talk german?
#1075 [07:47] <ObscuraLuna> i hate it i pay a lot of money for minecraft and i can't install it or play
#1076 [07:48] <woodtech> ObscuraLuna: is the client broken / stuck?
#1077 [07:48] <ObscuraLuna> i downloaded it from the minecraft homepage make double click and become an error
#1078 [07:49] <woodtech> what does the error say?
#1079 [07:49] <ObscuraLuna> could not create the java virtual machine
#1080 [07:50] <woodtech> are you sure you installed java?
#1081 [07:50] <ObscuraLuna> a fatal exception has occured prgramm will exit
#1082 [07:50] <woodtech> which os are you running mc under?
#1083 [07:50] <ObscuraLuna> yes i have install java
#1084 [07:50] <ObscuraLuna> my pc run on windows 7
#1085 [07:50] <woodtech> hmm, is there any more error than a fatal exception?
#1086 [07:51] <woodtech> just give the full error
#1087 [07:51] <ObscuraLuna> no thats the only massage
#1088 [07:51] <ObscuraLuna> i worte it
#1089 [07:51] <woodtech> kk
#1090 [07:51] <ObscuraLuna> could not create the java virtual machine a fatal exception has occured programm will exit
#1091 [07:51] <woodtech> I've found this: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/177964-fixed-minecraft-13-01-crashing-on-windows-7-64-bit/
#1092 [07:51] <woodtech> I hope it might help
#1093 [07:52] <ObscuraLuna> i dont have an minecraft.exe
#1094 [07:52] <ObscuraLuna> i cant install mc
#1095 [07:52] <ObscuraLuna> so i doesnt have an exe
#1096 [07:52] <woodtech> on windows, you can use the exe or jar version of minecraft
#1097 [07:53] <woodtech> though the exe should be lots easier to use
#1098 [07:53] <ObscuraLuna> yes but if i download the game and make double klick on the jar or exe i become the fatal error and it doesn't create an exe or folder from mc
#1099 [07:54] <woodtech> the jar should be executed by the java virtual machine
#1100 [07:54] <ObscuraLuna> but it doesnt work now
#1101 [07:54] <woodtech> try this: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Crash#Windows
#1102 [07:56] <ObscuraLuna> this one can't work becouse i have no minecraft folder
#1103 [07:57] <woodtech> you've still got a jar I believe?
#1104 [07:57] <woodtech> did you tried out the exe version?
#1105 [07:58] <ObscuraLuna> i downloaded it from minecraft homepage press download button for windows and download it make double click and it does not work
#1106 [07:58] <woodtech> kk
#1107 [07:59] <ObscuraLuna> it work i get the old version of java
#1108 [07:59] <ObscuraLuna> so it works now
#1109 [07:59] <woodtech> I only didn't run mc on windows yet, so I'm a bit less experienced in understanding what goes wrong
#1110 [07:59] <woodtech> oh
#1111 [07:59] <ObscuraLuna> the newest version of java was the problem
#1112 [07:59] <woodtech> kk
#1113 [07:59] <woodtech> have fun :-)
#1114 [07:59] <ObscuraLuna> i had java 7.5
#1115 [07:59] <ObscuraLuna> and now with 6.9 it works
#1116 [08:00] <ObscuraLuna> thanks for your help
#1117 [08:00] <woodtech> meh, me and support, it kinda sucks :p
#1118 [08:01] <tyteen4a03> hi
#1119 [08:02] <woodtech> hey
#1120 [08:04] <tyteen4a03> [19:59] <ObscuraLuna> i had java 7.5 [19:59] <ObscuraLuna> and now with 6.9 it works
#1121 [08:04] <tyteen4a03> >mfw
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#1124 [08:22] <kthnxbyee> question for someone, every time i update minecraft and go to delete the meta-inf folder my computer completely freezes up forcing a hard reboot, any ideas?
#1125 [08:23] <Necrodoom> your computer is broken-ish?
#1126 [08:23] <Necrodoom> deleting a file wont freeze a computer normally
#1127 [08:23] <kthnxbyee> nah, runs well with a fresh install of windows 7 64bit
#1128 [08:24] <kthnxbyee> i know, and did a bit of googling and found something to due with memory timing and im looking into that
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#1130 [08:24] <kthnxbyee> was just wondering if anyone had ever heard of it happening
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#1133 [08:28] <tyteen4a03> kthnxbyee: deleting a META-INF cannot cause a hard reboot
#1134 [08:28] <tyteen4a03> however, it could be a hidden BSOD or the CPU overheating
#1135 [08:29] <kthnxbyee> yeah thats what im thinking im running a sfc /scannow
#1136 [08:29] <kthnxbyee> and im gonna check a few things, thanks
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#1139 [08:51] <TH_BLAK_HAND> hallo
#1140 [08:51] <TH_BLAK_HAND> hallo
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#1148 [09:23] <raphael> good day
#1149 [09:26] <Necrodoom> '''': ?
#1150 [09:26] <Arle> Necrodoom, ````
#1151 [09:27] <Necrodoom> W/E
#1152 [09:29] <raphael> hello, my windows is 7 with 64bits and i'm trying to play minecraft, i already downloaded the file and ran it, is logged with my account and then i clicked on play demo, but show a message on the screen and don't change ... "Updating ...", i checked the path of the game and only a folder was created ".minecraft/bin" ....... what do i do?
#1153 [09:30] <Arle> Can you log in to minecraft.net with a browser?
#1154 [09:31] <woodtech> raphael: there are lots of issues with the demo
#1155 [09:31] <raphael> Arle yes, but show that i need to buy first...
#1156 [09:31] <woodtech> it looks like the demo only works if there was already someone with a payed account logged in
#1157 [09:31] <raphael> hm
#1158 [09:32] <woodtech> raphael: just stay tuned for updates
#1159 [09:32] <raphael> yes, all its ok
#1160 [09:32] <raphael> :/
#1161 [09:35] <raphael> i tried ran the game with administrator mode... but nothing change
#1162 [09:36] <woodtech> raphael: do you have a premium account
#1163 [09:36] <woodtech> if so, try logging in with such an account, then try the demo again with a non-premium account
#1164 [09:36] <raphael> woodtech not yet, first i wanted to test
#1165 [09:37] <Morrolan> The demo is horribly broken for lots of people.
#1166 [09:37] <woodtech> raphael: I understand
#1167 [09:37] <Morrolan> So if it doesn't work for you, you might have to wait for Mojang to fix it.
#1168 [09:37] <raphael> (that cool) :\
#1169 [09:37] <raphael> ok Morrolan
#1170 [09:38] <raphael> thanks woodtech, Arle and Morrolan
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#1174 [09:57] <Dyllan> Why is minecraft not on ps3
#1175 [09:58] <DiskDaemon> Dyllan: Because Microsoft paid lots of money for exclusivity.
#1176 [09:58] <Dyllan> Well playstation will pay lots of money to
#1177 [09:59] <lutzee> Dyllan, you were answered yesterday too, there will not be a version made for the PS3, end of.
#1178 [09:59] <DiskDaemon> Sorry, MS got in first.
#1179 [09:59] <Dyllan> What if they work together
#1180 [09:59] <woodtech> if mojang creates a ps3 version now, they break the deal with microsoft
#1181 [10:00] <DiskDaemon> Dyllan: Your personal wishes in this regard aren't going to change the facts of the situation.
#1182 [10:00] <tyteen4a03> DiskDaemon: I wonder if Mojang has the money to break the deal
#1183 [10:00] <woodtech> unless he hacks the ps3 ;-)
#1184 [10:01] <Dyllan> i will make it happen watch
#1185 [10:01] <DiskDaemon> Such blind faith - it's interesting to observe.
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#1188 [10:03] <coltonhardy> I would like to report a glich
#1189 [10:03] <DiskDaemon> Which one?
#1190 [10:03] <GreyVulpine> coltonhardy - http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/409117
#1191 [10:04] <Dyllan> Thanks i got over 2million people that want to buy i made A petition a lot of people sign it
#1192 [10:05] <GreyVulpine> Still doesn't change the fact that Mojang signed an exclusivity contract with Microsoft.
#1193 [10:05] <Calinou> ...huh?
#1194 [10:05] <DiskDaemon> Dyllan: It wouldn't look good for a company to reneg on an agreement like that. There are likely to be costly penalties too.
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#1196 [10:06] <DiskDaemon> indeed
#1197 [10:06] <Dyllan> Why is mojang not on ps3
#1198 [10:06] <tyteen4a03> DiskDaemon: they signed the deal with Minecraft only, right?
#1199 [10:06] <GreyVulpine> Dyllan - Because it's an exclusive on the xbox console
#1200 [10:06] <Dyllan> Are you from mojang
#1201 [10:06] <lutzee> DiskDaemon, he came asking the same questions yesterday too.
#1202 [10:07] <GreyVulpine> Dyllan - No.
#1203 [10:07] <lutzee> We couldn't convince him yesterday
#1204 [10:07] <DiskDaemon> tyteen4a03: That's right
#1205 [10:07] <DiskDaemon> Dyllan: Nobody here is from mojang, we are random volunteers from all over the world
#1206 [10:07] <Calinou> heh, MC is unplayable on consoles anyway
#1207 [10:07] <GreyVulpine> Dyllan - Please stop asking the volunteers here the same question. The answer will not change.
#1208 [10:07] <Calinou> one does not simply play a first person game on a console
#1209 [10:07] <tyteen4a03> DiskDaemon: then let's bring 0x10c on PS3
#1210 [10:07] <Calinou> also, we are not affiliated with mojang
#1211 [10:07] <tyteen4a03> and then we're even
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#1213 [10:08] <TheNoodle> Hello again Dyllan.
#1214 [10:08] <GreyVulpine> Anybody mind if I +b?
#1215 [10:08] <Calinou> +q, it's funnier:!
#1216 [10:08] <Calinou> :P
#1217 [10:08] <TheNoodle> haha
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#1219 [10:08] <DiskDaemon> tyteen4a03: Notch has already expressed regret over non-disclosure agreements, and other such business restrictions
#1220 [10:09] <tyteen4a03> DiskDaemon: he started as an indie dev, I think he'd never expected so much stuff like this when he first started MC
#1221 [10:09] <tyteen4a03> but then, we never expected minecraft to be this successful anyways
#1222 [10:10] <woodtech> I wonder when the xbox 360 deals finishes
#1223 [10:10] <tyteen4a03> https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/418236_266358156813381_269027476_n.jpg
#1224 [10:10] <woodtech> lol
#1225 [10:11] <Calinou> old news tyteen4a03
#1226 [10:11] <tyteen4a03> new to me Calinou
#1227 [10:11] <DiskDaemon> Well given that xbox is halfway through its lifespan, it's likely to be a very long time
#1228 [10:12] <DiskDaemon> And the next xbox will be backwards-compatible too, so it seems that finish of such a deal isn't going to be seen
#1229 [10:16] <Calinou> halfway? more like 90%
#1230 [10:17] <Calinou> DiskDaemon, [citation needed] about backwards-compat
#1231 [10:19] <DiskDaemon> Ahh, okay. http://nukezilla.com/2012/05/02/exclusive-next-xbox-to-have-backwards-compatibility-10-year-lifespan/
#1232 [10:21] <DiskDaemon> And from last year - http://www.computerandvideogames.com/308963/ms-xbox-360-about-halfway-through-its-lifecycle/
#1233 [10:21] <Calinou> k
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#1236 [10:29] <Bob> Why is minecraft not on ps3
#1237 [10:30] <Moose> GreyVulpine: can you add http://tunkdesign.com/?p=208 to the topic? it's a minecraft version downgrader.
#1238 [10:31] <DiskDaemon> Bob: Because Microsoft paid lots of money for exclusivity.
#1239 [10:32] <lutzee> Moose, how does it work?
#1240 [10:32] <lutzee> ?? oldversion
#1241 [10:32] <VoxelHead> oldversion: The only legal way to obtain old versions, other than having your own backups, is using the MCNostalgia tool which applies binary patches to the .jar. It can be found here: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/800346-tool-mcnostalgia-201/
#1242 [10:32] <lutzee> ^ we have that
#1243 [10:32] <Moose> this one is easier.
#1244 [10:32] <Moose> and legal.
#1245 [10:32] <tyteen4a03> Bob: Hi Dyllan
#1246 [10:32] <Moose> just select a server, click what version you want to downgrade, and run it.
#1247 [10:32] <Moose> It'll downgrade your client.
#1248 [10:33] <tyteen4a03> Moose: MCNostalgia is also legal
#1249 [10:33] <Moose> MCNostalgia is too much work.
#1250 [10:34] <tyteen4a03> http://mcvc.in
#1251 [10:34] <tyteen4a03> I guess
#1252 [10:35] <lutzee> Either how, i'm going to scan the code and make sure it doesn't do anything nasty :p
#1253 [10:36] <tyteen4a03> lutzee: Moose is a trustworthy person, but please do so
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#1255 [10:38] <TheNoodle> GreyVulpine, wanna set that +b? <3
#1256 [10:38] <tyteen4a03> TheNoodle: I second that motion
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#1258 [10:42] <DiskDaemon> Moose: You allow older server versios to be downloaded?
#1259 [10:42] <Moose> You can download older server versions with it
#1260 [10:42] <Moose> I don't manage the project
#1261 [10:43] <DiskDaemon> Ahh - it's completely not allowed to use older server versions, for security reasons
#1262 [10:43] <Morrolan> Huh, the "Why is Minecraft not on PS3" guy is back?
#1263 [10:44] <Moose> DiskDaemon: Why is it an issue?
#1264 [10:44] <woodtech> he should know that repeating a question raises annoyans, which means in less probability in things he wants
#1265 [10:45] <TheNoodle> This time it was mojang as well ^_^
#1266 [10:45] <woodtech> and since no1 from mojang is here, good luck with asking anyway
#1267 [10:45] <DiskDaemon> Well if MVC actually stores the older server versions somewhere, or allows you to create older versions, that can be a problem
#1268 [10:46] <Morrolan> Why bother that much to get old servers, just use Bukkit's repository. *shrug*
#1269 [10:47] <DiskDaemon> Also, the MVC.jar program is just 127kb in size, so it's not patching. I strongly suspect that it's downloading instead
#1270 [10:48] <lutzee> DiskDaemon, it does seem to download patches, but theres no file extension assoisiated with it
#1271 [10:48] <Moose> DiskDaemon: a lot can be done in only 127KB.
#1272 [10:48] <Morrolan> 127KB is a ton of letters.
#1273 [10:48] <Moose> ^
#1274 [10:48] <DiskDaemon> Moose: Not patch data for every single version of minecraft, that's for sure
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#1276 [10:49] <Moose> DiskDaemon: maybe it downloads that patch data.
#1277 [10:49] <Morrolan> Binary diff files might be hosted online, and downloaded on demand.
#1278 [10:49] <Moose> ^
#1279 [10:49] <Morrolan> Just decompile it, if you really want to know. :)
#1280 [10:49] <Morrolan> (Which lutzee seems to be doing right now)
#1281 [10:49] <Moose> I don't care that much to do so; I just enjoy the nostalgic trip.
#1282 [10:49] <lutzee> JDgui ftw
#1283 [10:50] <Moose> JD-GUI isn't ftw.
#1284 [10:50] <lutzee> btw nice attempt at obfuscation, but it's still quite readable
#1285 [10:50] <Moose> then it isn't obfuscation.
#1286 [10:52] <DiskDaemon> The servers are stored as plain downloads, such as http://mvc.mikroschrott.org/mvc/srvjar/Minecraft_Server_12w05b.mvc
#1287 [10:53] <DiskDaemon> So are the older versions, for example: http://mvc.mikroschrott.org/mvc/jar/12w30e.mvc
#1288 [10:53] <DiskDaemon> None of that is patching, which is allowed. What MVC does is to download the full file, which is just renamed to have a .mvc extension, and renames it to minecraft.jar
#1289 [10:53] <lutzee> hmm
#1290 [10:54] <lutzee> moose changing the file type so it isn't a .jar just for a download isn't patching
#1291 [10:54] <Moose> and this is my problem?
#1292 [10:54] <DiskDaemon> That is fully against the law. It's storing the original files, and making them publically available to anyone who knows the URL. That's a breech of vast propertions.
#1293 [10:54] <lutzee> Because it's still distributing of a jar file, just doesn't look like it
#1294 [10:54] <Moose> Maybe you misunderstood me
#1295 [10:55] <Moose> it isn't my project.
#1296 [10:55] <DiskDaemon> Moose: It's just one more reason why we don't add things such as that
#1297 [10:55] <Moose> I have nothing to do with it.
#1298 [10:55] <TheNoodle> But you are vouching for it Moose.
#1299 [10:55] <Moose> TheNoodle: no, I wasn't.
#1300 [10:55] <DiskDaemon> Moose: Please don
#1301 [10:55] <DiskDaemon> Please don't bring MVC up again then please ;)
#1302 [10:56] <Moose> >_>
#1303 [10:56] <Moose> Does mojang actually care, though?
#1304 [10:56] <DiskDaemon> You betcha
#1305 [10:57] <DiskDaemon> Moose: Please drop the topic - it's not healthy.
#1306 [10:57] <Moose> Then I guess they should take it up with TunkDesigns.
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#1308 [11:01] <jomos> Hello, I can't login to minecraft since two weeks back. When I try it says "Can't connect to minecraft.net". I've tried reinstalling it, turning off all firewalls and AV, including the router. When in safe mode I'm able to log in but the game doesn't start. Can anyone help me with this?
#1309 [11:02] <DiskDaemon> jomos: Does the upper news section appear in the minecraft launcher?
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#1311 [11:03] <jomos> Yes, I can read the info on 1.3.1 update.
#1312 [11:03] <DiskDaemon> jomos: Does the bottom part of the launcher have a dirt background, or a black background?
#1313 [11:03] <jomos> Dirt
#1314 [11:03] <GraphiiiX89> need help when someone is available
#1315 [11:03] <DiskDaemon> What do you see when you visit this page? https://login.minecraft.net/?user=Meep&password=notreal&version=13
#1316 [11:04] <DiskDaemon> jomos ^
#1317 [11:04] <lutzee> GraphiiiX89, what is the problem
#1318 [11:04] <lutzee> ?
#1319 [11:04] <jomos> White page, says 'Bad login'
#1320 [11:04] <GraphiiiX89> well this is my 3rd time trying to get minecraft working on Linux Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
#1321 [11:04] <DiskDaemon> Things are looking good there so far then.
#1322 [11:05] <GraphiiiX89> i got it working one time and i logged in but when it updated the screen went black
#1323 [11:05] <lutzee> aggg GraphiiiX89 something i can help you with ;) i have exactly that running give me a minute
#1324 [11:05] <DiskDaemon> jomos: What's the current date that your computer is set to?
#1325 [11:05] <GraphiiiX89> ok ty
#1326 [11:05] <lutzee> GraphiiiX89, you will need to manually add the natives for linux from here http://goo.gl/2GMS4
#1327 [11:06] <jomos> It is the current date, 5th august 2012.
#1328 [11:06] <GraphiiiX89> ok what do i do with that
#1329 [11:06] <DiskDaemon> I'm running out of common issues that result in not being able to connect
#1330 [11:06] <GraphiiiX89> im a linux noob
#1331 [11:06] <DiskDaemon> jomos: What are the details of the error message that you get?
#1332 [11:07] <lutzee> okay unzip the file, go into the folder, then into natives and then linux
#1333 [11:07] <lutzee> then copy the entire contents of that to the .minecraft folder in your home directory
#1334 [11:08] <jomos> The area where I enter username and pw disappear and a red text appears 'Can't connect to minecraft.net'.
#1335 [11:09] <DiskDaemon> When you follow these instructions, do you get a crash report? http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Crash#How_to_Get_a_Crash_Report
#1336 [11:09] <GraphiiiX89> withch folder in the minecraft ?
#1337 [11:10] <lutzee> GraphiiiX89, /bin/natives
#1338 [11:10] <GraphiiiX89> ?
#1339 [11:11] <lutzee> GraphiiiX89, do you know where the .minecraft folder is on ubuntu?
#1340 [11:11] <GraphiiiX89> in downloads
#1341 [11:11] <lutzee> er no that's probably the launcher
#1342 [11:12] <GraphiiiX89> i extracted that their
#1343 [11:12] <lutzee> GraphiiiX89, go to your home directory
#1344 [11:12] <GraphiiiX89> im there
#1345 [11:12] <GraphiiiX89> i see desktop, pictures videos etc
#1346 [11:12] <lutzee> then on the menu bar, select the view dropdown menu then press show hidden files
#1347 [11:13] <jomos> http://pastebin.com/hyZJRsAa Here's the result
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#1349 [11:14] <GraphiiiX89> ?
#1350 [11:14] <GraphiiiX89> sorry im a noob
#1351 [11:15] <DiskDaemon> Well it's having trouble with the security certificate side of things, which I would normally first suspect the date/time of the computer
#1352 [11:15] <lutzee> top bar, where the buttons to close the window are, should be dropdown menus, one should be view (make sure you are looking at the file browser)
#1353 [11:15] <DiskDaemon> jomos: This person solved the same issue by temporarily disabling their antivirus program http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1266137-solved-can-not-log-in-cant-connect-to-minecraftnet/
#1354 [11:16] <jomos> Well, I've tried turning off all firewalls and AV, didn't help.
#1355 [11:17] <DiskDaemon> jomos: The person there said that he had to fully uninstall eset - is that what you are using?
#1356 [11:17] <GraphiiiX89> oh ok lol
#1357 [11:17] <GraphiiiX89> didnt have it max lol
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#1359 [11:18] <lutzee> oh right hehe
#1360 [11:18] <GraphiiiX89> i found .minecraft
#1361 [11:18] <lutzee> okay, there should be a bin folder
#1362 [11:18] <lutzee> and in that folder a natives folder
#1363 [11:18] <DiskDaemon> If so, then it's a fair bet that your issue and his are one and the same.
#1364 [11:19] <GraphiiiX89> yes
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#1366 [11:19] <GraphiiiX89> do i also put in the opengls folders ?
#1367 [11:19] <lutzee> Okay in the folder that i made you download, the /natives/linux/ folder there, copy the entire contents of that folder into the /bin/natives folder of the .minecraft folder
#1368 [11:21] <GraphiiiX89> so then entire lwj etc or just the files in the bin/nattive ?
#1369 [11:22] <lutzee> okay, the files in the lwjgl-2.8.4/natives/linux copy those into .minecraft/bin/natives
#1370 [11:22] <GraphiiiX89> also the opengls folders if so, done
#1371 [11:23] <DiskDaemon> dammit, it's long last 3am - I'm crashing
#1372 [11:23] <lutzee> not all the folders just the contents of /lwjgl-2.8.4/natives/linux folder
#1373 [11:23] <GraphiiiX89> theire were only 2 folders in the native, opengls & opengles, ?
#1374 [11:24] <lutzee> oh wait let me lok
#1375 [11:24] <GraphiiiX89> k
#1376 [11:25] <lutzee> It's changed ._.
#1377 [11:26] <GraphiiiX89> ?
#1378 [11:27] <lutzee> the file changed since i downloaded it, here try this http://dl.dropbox.com/u/73774243/lwjgl-2.8.4.zip
#1379 [11:27] <GraphiiiX89> so delete the other files ?
#1380 [11:28] <lutzee> yeah, sorry, didn't expect stuff to change like that
#1381 [11:28] <GraphiiiX89> lol
#1382 [11:28] <GraphiiiX89> damn have to find wich friles where default lol
#1383 [11:28] <lutzee> it doesn't matter
#1384 [11:29] <lutzee> you'll be overwriting them
#1385 [11:29] <GraphiiiX89> oh ok lol
#1386 [11:29] <GraphiiiX89> just about to ask that lol
#1387 [11:30] <GraphiiiX89> so do i put the opengl, opengles folders in too ?
#1388 [11:30] <lutzee> no
#1389 [11:30] <lutzee> unzip that file i gave you
#1390 [11:30] <GraphiiiX89> done
#1391 [11:30] <lutzee> in /lwjgl-2.8.4/natives/linux folder copy the contents of that to /.minecraft/bin/natives
#1392 [11:30] <GraphiiiX89> aw ok lol i see
#1393 [11:31] <GraphiiiX89> done
#1394 [11:32] <lutzee> okay start minecraft
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#1396 [11:34] <GraphiiiX89> what file is the launcher
#1397 [11:35] <Generalcamo> What EXE does Minecraft Execute on? I am trying to modify it in the NVIDEA control panel
#1398 [11:36] <jomos> Problem solved! It was Eset that blocked minecraft, had to uninstall it. Thank you people!
#1399 [11:36] <DiskDaemon> you're welcome
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#1401 [11:38] <GraphiiiX89> ?
#1402 [11:39] <GraphiiiX89> what file is the minecraft launcher on ubuntu
#1403 [11:40] <lutzee> GraphiiiX89, that would be the jar file you download from minecraft.net
#1404 [11:43] <GraphiiiX89> its gone black again
#1405 [11:43] <GraphiiiX89> what do i open it with
#1406 [11:44] <lutzee> does the launcher not open?
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#1408 [11:44] <GraphiiiX89> it does i login it updates then the screen goes black
#1409 [11:45] <lutzee> hmm natives should have fixed that
#1410 [11:45] <GraphiiiX89> wait
#1411 [11:45] <GraphiiiX89> i press the launcher and it doesnt open
#1412 [11:46] <lutzee> hmm
#1413 [11:46] <woodtech> GraphiiiX89: do you know if you installed java?
#1414 [11:46] <GraphiiiX89> java runtime 7 i have
#1415 [11:46] <woodtech> os?
#1416 [11:46] <woodtech> (operating system)
#1417 [11:46] <GraphiiiX89> ubuntu
#1418 [11:47] <lutzee> 12.04
#1419 [11:47] <GraphiiiX89> i know what os means lmao im not that much of a noob
#1420 [11:47] <GraphiiiX89> LTS yes
#1421 [11:47] <lutzee> GraphiiiX89, i used this to set mine up http://debianhelp.wordpress.com/2012/05/22/how-to-install-minecraft-on-ubuntu-12-04-lts/
#1422 [11:47] <woodtech> well, some don't ;-)
#1423 [11:48] <GraphiiiX89> ok sc
#1424 [11:48] <GraphiiiX89> ok sec
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#1426 [11:52] <GraphiiiX89> which java should i use ?
#1427 [11:53] <lutzee> i'm using 7u5 from oracle
#1428 [11:54] <GraphiiiX89> did u enetr this in terminal sudo apt-get install oracle-jdk7-installer
#1429 [11:54] <GraphiiiX89> ?
#1430 [11:54] <lutzee> er i think so, it was a few months ago now
#1431 [11:55] <GraphiiiX89> nvm u had to enter
#1432 [11:55] <GraphiiiX89> sudo apt-get purge openjdk-7-jre icedtea-7-plugin sudo add-apt-repository ppa:webupd8team/java sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install oracle-jdk7-installer
#1433 [11:56] <GraphiiiX89> should i install minecraft with this terminal process or ?
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#1435 [11:56] <lutzee> It's what i did, means it appears as a program in the list and adds an .sh launcher
#1436 [11:57] <GraphiiiX89> l
#1437 [11:57] <GraphiiiX89> k
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#1444 [12:01] <lutzee> server crash \o/
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#1446 [12:01] <lutzee> optical crasjed
#1447 [12:01] <GraphiiiX89> is it done ?
#1448 [12:01] <GraphiiiX89> Removing Existing install... Downloading Launcher... Downloading Artwork... Creating Desktop Entry... don@don-Aspire-5100:~/Downloads$
#1449 [12:01] <Calinou> netsplit != server crash
#1450 [12:01] <Calinou> O_o
#1451 [12:01] <Calinou> linux user spotted
#1452 [12:01] <GraphiiiX89> lol
#1453 [12:01] <GraphiiiX89> ?
#1454 [12:02] <lutzee> Calinou, no rush back something crashed
#1455 [12:02] <Calinou> GraphiiiX89, if you want to install sun's java, you could install it manually
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#1458 [12:02] <Calinou> it's often better than PPAs
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#1460 [12:02] <Calinou> Generalcamo> What EXE does Minecraft Execute on? I am trying to modify it in the NVIDEA control panel
#1461 [12:02] <Calinou> Generalcamo, javaw.exe
#1462 [12:02] <Calinou> (if you start it using command line: java.exe instead)
#1463 [12:03] <Calinou> it's in C:\Program Files\Java\jre7\bin\javaw.exe iirc
#1464 [12:03] <seanmclean> hello all. I'm having trouble with an "end of stream" message. can't seem to find any valid fix
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#1467 [12:03] <GraphiiiX89> lutz what do i do ?
#1468 [12:04] <lutzee> GraphiiiX89, hmm if everything is done, look at installed programs minecraft should appear
#1469 [12:04] <GraphiiiX89> idk if it is lol
#1470 [12:04] <Calinou> O_o
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#1472 [12:04] <Calinou> lutzee, why do people even want to install MC on system wide? it's a terrible idea
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#1475 [12:04] <lutzee> Calinou, it's not system wide...
#1476 [12:05] <lutzee> it still uses the .minecraft in your home directory
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#1478 [12:05] <GraphiiiX89> k ?
#1479 [12:06] <lutzee> ._. Not going to lie, if you're going to use linux, at least attempt to learn how to use it
#1480 [12:06] <GraphiiiX89> where do i go to launch ?
#1481 [12:06] <lutzee> Dash home, the top thing in the side bar
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#1484 [12:08] <GraphiiiX89> long story short, this was an fbi laptop, and it could not run windows, only linux lmao so im forced into using it until i get some money xd:
#1485 [12:08] <Kamakana03> how do i get unmuted please?
#1486 [12:08] <Kamakana03> it's been 3 weeks now
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#1489 [12:08] <lusxor> hello
#1490 [12:09] <lutzee> Kamakana03, if you were muted on a server you need to contact the server admins
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#1492 [12:09] <jomos> It seems that I can't connect to my friends server, "Failed to connect to the server - Connection timed out: connect". There are people playing on the server at the moment.
#1493 [12:09] <Kamakana03> lutzee-how do i do that?
#1494 [12:09] <GraphiiiX89> still not loading, i press the laucnher it flashes then stops flashing and nothing happens
#1495 [12:09] <lutzee> Kamakana03, no idea, there are not official servers
#1496 [12:10] <GraphiiiX89> wait
#1497 [12:10] <Kamakana03> lutzee, thank you for your help.
#1498 [12:10] <GraphiiiX89> Special Note on how-to fix black screen bug: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Tutorials/Update_LWJGL
#1499 [12:10] <Kamakana03> does anyone know how to contact the server admins?
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#1501 [12:11] <lutzee> Kamakana03, nope go ask on the servers minecraft forum thread
#1502 [12:12] <rymate1234> hey
#1503 [12:12] <Kamakana03> lutzee, ok. this is k's mom. lol....
#1504 [12:12] <rymate1234> meh nvm
#1505 [12:15] <seanmclean> End of stream fixes?
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#1509 [12:25] <kiugetski> help
#1510 [12:25] <lutzee> ??> kiugetski ask
#1511 [12:25] <VoxelHead> kiugetski: (ask) Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help with, and be as specific as possible.
#1512 [12:25] <VoxelHead> kiugetski: (ask) If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#1513 [12:26] <kiugetski> is it possible to make a server on windows 7 without hamachi ?
#1514 [12:26] <Necrodoom> yes
#1515 [12:26] <kiugetski> how
#1516 [12:27] <Necrodoom> opening ports
#1517 [12:28] <kiugetski> so i need no-ip first to always have the same adress
#1518 [12:28] <kiugetski> then i open wich port
#1519 [12:28] <lutzee> ?? fubar/hamachi
#1520 [12:28] <VoxelHead> fubar/hamachi: Hamachi has been squatting on a previously unallocated IP address space. This block of addresses, 5.0.0.0/8, has been allocated by IANA. As such, Hamachi conflicts with the internet. As such, #MineCraftHelp will neither support nor assist with server network issues for hosts using Hamachi for connectivity.
#1521 [12:28] <VoxelHead> fubar/hamachi: If you are using Hamachi, use a different solution such as proper port forwarding, or a VPN.
#1522 [12:28] <lutzee> kiugetski, do you have access to the admin page of your router?
#1523 [12:29] <kiugetski> yes i do
#1524 [12:30] <lutzee> what make and model is your router?
#1525 [12:30] <Eddie> Sarah Palin
#1526 [12:32] <kiugetski> linksys e1550
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#1531 [12:33] <Tjwmagic> Mindcraft kran out of memory
#1532 [12:33] <Tjwmagic> Ran*
#1533 [12:34] <Tjwmagic> How do I fix that?
#1534 [12:34] <lutzee> kiugetski, look here on how to portforward for a minecraft server http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/Linksys/E1550/Minecraft_Server.htm
#1535 [12:34] <lutzee> Tjwmagic, how much ram does your PC have?
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#1538 [12:35] <Tjwmagic> @lutzee, I do not know for sure, but its new enough that it should not suffer from lack of ram
#1539 [12:36] <lutzee> Tjwmagic, hmm
#1540 [12:36] <lutzee> ??> Tjwmagic win/dxdiag
#1541 [12:36] <VoxelHead> Tjwmagic: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#1542 [12:36] <VoxelHead> Tjwmagic: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#1543 [12:36] <Tjwmagic> @lutzee Its a windows 7
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#1545 [12:37] <lutzee> Tjwmagic, do what VoxelHead says
#1546 [12:37] <lutzee> it will tell me your PC specs
#1547 [12:37] <Tjwmagic> @lutzee ok
#1548 [12:37] <Tjwmagic> How do I get to Win+R keys?
#1549 [12:37] <lutzee> Tjwmagic, win is the windows key
#1550 [12:38] <lutzee> press that and the R key at the same time
#1551 [12:39] <Tjwmagic> Ok, its loading...
#1552 [12:39] <seteleechete> hello
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#1554 [12:40] <Tjwmagic> @VoxelHead I just put the information in the link you gave me?
#1555 [12:41] <seteleechete> I have a problem I have been trying to fix whenever I load minecraft the entire thing is stripped in vertical line where about 30% of the screen has dissapeared with the background screen from the start replacing it
#1556 [12:41] <Tjwmagic> Voxel, do I make it public, or unlisted?
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#1558 [12:42] <lutzee> Tjwmagic, public please
#1559 [12:42] <lutzee> and VoxelHead is a bot
#1560 [12:42] <Tjwmagic> ok
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#1562 [12:42] <seteleechete> I have tried removing .minecraft file and reinstalling but that doesn't work as well as updating java the problem is in the browser minecraft as well
#1563 [12:43] <Tjwmagic> @lutzee Its called info for tjwmagic
#1564 [12:43] <lutzee> Tjwmagic, can you copy the link here please, pastebin gets hundreds of pastes a minute
#1565 [12:43] <Tjwmagic> @lutzee http://pastebin.com/mc0kXTzG
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#1568 [12:44] <lutzee> Tjwmagic, hmm yeah should be fine it's more likely to be your graphics drivers
#1569 [12:45] <lutzee> ?? gpu/intel
#1570 [12:45] <VoxelHead> gpu/intel: You can get drivers for Intel video cards and chipsets here: http://downloadcenter.intel.com/
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#1572 [12:46] <daddyjb> Hi, Having troube login in, ask for change of password, follow link and cjange successfully, but when use the new password says username or passwoed is incorrect
#1573 [12:46] <Calinou> if you migrated your account use your email to log in
#1574 [12:46] <Roberta> I'm trying to download the game to my pc
#1575 [12:46] <Roberta> can anyone help me?
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#1577 [12:47] <Tjwmagic> @lutzee Can you E-mail my dad what drivers?
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#1579 [12:47] <daddyjb> Tried email address as username but still doesnt work
#1580 [12:47] <lutzee> Tjwmagic, read VoxelHead's last post,
#1581 [12:47] <Tjwmagic> @lutzee, it just kicked me out
#1582 [12:47] <seteleechete> here is the dx file http://pastebin.com/6zxwvaJD
#1583 [12:48] <lutzee> <VoxelHead> gpu/intel: You can get drivers for Intel video cards and chipsets here: http://downloadcenter.intel.com/
#1584 [12:48] <Tjwmagic> Ok
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#1587 [12:58] <tom_> minecraft360 when i try to load my save it freezes my console and the save doesnt load
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#1589 [13:01] <kiugetski> lutZEE
#1590 [13:01] <kiugetski> i need your help now
#1591 [13:02] <kiugetski> [INFO] Starting Minecraft server on qcmc.zapto.org:25565
#1592 [13:02] <kiugetski> [WARNING] **** FAILED TO BIND TO PORT!
#1593 [13:03] <lutzee> servers allready running
#1594 [13:03] <kiugetski> you have teamviewer ?
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#1596 [13:05] <Calinou> <kiugetski> [INFO] Starting Minecraft server on qcmc.zapto.org:25565
#1597 [13:05] <Calinou> you are starting a server on an IP; do not
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#1599 [13:05] <Calinou> leave the server-ip field blank in server.properties
#1600 [13:05] <kiugetski> k min
#1601 [13:05] <Calinou> that's not how you create domains :P
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#1603 [13:06] <Tom_> can anyone help me minecraft on the 360 everytime i load my save the full thing just freezes and doesnt load
#1604 [13:06] <kiugetski> ok server is now running but cant find host on minecraft
#1605 [13:07] <Calinou> Tom_, we can't really help with xbox edition
#1606 [13:07] <Calinou> you could contact 4J studios' support though
#1607 [13:07] <kiugetski> calinou
#1608 [13:07] <Calinou> (the xbox 360 port is made by 4j studios, not mojang)
#1609 [13:07] <kiugetski> can you teamviewer help ?
#1610 [13:07] <Calinou> kiugetski, why?
#1611 [13:07] <lutzee> Calinou, want to contact the xbox arcade twitter
#1612 [13:07] <AH_Awesome> somehow the keyboard commands got changed to button1 or button 2. How do I get them back to original mode?
#1613 [13:07] <Calinou> told you: do not set an ip (leave the field blank) then start it
#1614 [13:07] <Calinou> lutzee, lol
#1615 [13:08] <kiugetski> i did
#1616 [13:08] <kiugetski> server is running now
#1617 [13:08] <Calinou> AH_Awesome, click on the buttons in options > controls then press a key to rebind
#1618 [13:08] <Tom_> alright this is where microsoft support sent me haha
#1619 [13:08] <kiugetski> qcmc.zapto.org
#1620 [13:08] <kiugetski> but no one can see him
#1621 [13:08] <Calinou> Tom_, lol
#1622 [13:09] <lutzee> Tom_ well they shouldn't have, you want ot inform them we do not support the xbox versions
#1623 [13:09] <kiugetski> [INFO] Starting minecraft server version 1.3.1
#1624 [13:09] <kiugetski> [INFO] Loading properties
#1625 [13:09] <kiugetski> [INFO] Default game type: SURVIVAL
#1626 [13:09] <kiugetski> [INFO] Generating keypair
#1627 [13:09] <kiugetski> [INFO] Starting Minecraft server on *:25565
#1628 [13:09] <Tom_> cheers anyway guys and will do
#1629 [13:09] <Tom_> cheers anyway guys and will do
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#1631 [13:10] <kiugetski> ...
#1632 [13:10] <kiugetski> i really need help :(
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#1636 [13:14] <ExotiX> hi
#1637 [13:14] <ExotiX> um i have an error :(
#1638 [13:14] <kiugetski> 0/
#1639 [13:15] <ExotiX> its when i launch minecraft
#1640 [13:15] <ExotiX> i get the error launch4j
#1641 [13:15] <kiugetski> ?
#1642 [13:15] <ExotiX> i get the error launch4j
#1643 [13:15] <ExotiX> when i try to launch minecraft
#1644 [13:15] <AH_Awesome> Calinou, it worked, thanks!
#1645 [13:17] <kiugetski> calinou i really need your help :(
#1646 [13:17] <ExotiX> when i try to launch minecraft i get the error Launch4j
#1647 [13:17] <lutzee> ExotiX, 360 version?
#1648 [13:17] <Calinou> ?? pastebin
#1649 [13:17] <VoxelHead> pastebin: Pastebin is a service run at http://www.pastebin.com/ which facilitates the sharing of information without flooding IRC channels. Paste your text there, click 'Submit', and give us the URL the site takes you to, and we can see what you have pasted.
#1650 [13:17] <Calinou> kiugetski, please use pastebin.
#1651 [13:18] <Calinou> else we can't see your whole paste
#1652 [13:18] <ExotiX> no on pc
#1653 [13:18] <ExotiX> when i try to launch minecraft i get the error Launch4j (pc version)
#1654 [13:19] <kiugetski> its not even working on dmz mode
#1655 [13:21] <kiugetski> well everything is ok on the mc server it says hes runningh
#1656 [13:21] <kiugetski> but somehow i cant connect to it
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#1658 [13:24] <ExotiX> i keep on getting the launch4j error whent trying to launch minecraft (pc)
#1659 [13:25] <ExotiX> i keep on getting the launch4j error whent trying to launch minecraft (pc)
#1660 [13:25] <ExotiX> anny help
#1661 [13:26] <ExotiX> i keep on getting the launch4j error whent trying to launch minecraft (pc) anny help
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#1665 [13:37] <JordyB423> How do I run the minecraft.jar file from a batch or .cmd file? I would like to update to 1.3.1, but I want to keep 1.2.5 in a folder so I can run either.
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#1667 [13:39] <lutzee> JordyB423, you need to use the launcher, you will have to copy them in and out of that fodlder unless you use a custom launcher that allows you to do otherwise
#1668 [13:40] <JordyB423> There is a command from the command line to run the minecraft.jar, though. I use Minecraft on Linux also, and I use a script to launch it. I can't seem to find a script for Windows, though. I have seen it before...
#1669 [13:41] <lutzee> Aye but the jar you get for linux is the launcher the files again are stored elsewhere
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#1672 [13:41] <lutzee> if you use a command to launch the actual game files you can
#1673 [13:41] <aerox21> Hello
#1674 [13:41] <lutzee> can't log into server
#1675 [13:42] <Teddy_P> I have 2 Ubuntu computers and 2 Minecraft accounts. We are trying to connect through the LAN. The only help I have found on the issue is to edit my /etc/hosts file. If I do this will it affect the other programs that go on the web?
#1676 [13:42] <JordyB423> Yes, I'm trying to find the command...
#1677 [13:42] <aerox21> I wondered if I could play over LAN with the same account? I would like to play with my brother but only have one account.
#1678 [13:43] <JordyB423> aerox21, not possible. Trust me, I've tried.
#1679 [13:43] <aerox21> :(
#1680 [13:43] <aerox21> That's pretty dumb...
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#1682 [13:44] <JordyB423> Only way is for 1 player to play offline, and then you would need a server in the insecure 'offline' mode.
#1683 [13:45] <JayGuerette> Is there a fix for this black screen error: libjawt.so: cannot open shared object file ?
#1684 [13:45] <JayGuerette> Google has not helped in anyway
#1685 [13:45] <JayGuerette> On Linux BTW
#1686 [13:45] <JayGuerette> v1.3.1
#1687 [13:48] <JayGuerette> Using FC17. I've tried using Oracle/Sun's java, it just blackscreens with no error
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#1689 [13:49] <JayGuerette> 1.2.5 still works
#1690 [13:49] <JayGuerette> As did every test release prior to 1.3
#1691 [13:50] <JayGuerette> It's the same on all the computers in my house, all FC17: 3 desktops & 2 laptops
#1692 [13:50] <seteleechete_> does minecraft load based on what graphic card it detects?
#1693 [13:52] <JayGuerette> With Sun Java I have to SIGKILL it
#1694 [14:01] <JayGuerette> Is 1.3.1 working for anybody on Linux?
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#1698 [14:42] <Nemesis> hello?
#1699 [14:42] <Nemesis> need some help. I haven't received the migration instructions for mojang's website. need help please
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#1702 [14:48] <Sebl> hi, is it possible, to change difficulty settings in Multiplayer? setting to "peaceful" in all options for all players doesn't affect anything
#1703 [14:49] <lutzee> set spawn mobs to false?
#1704 [14:50] <Sebl> how is the command spelled? have tried a couple of versions
#1705 [14:51] * kiugetski [kiugetski@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#1706 [14:51] <kiugetski> i need a good teamviewer assistance for my server setup
#1707 [14:52] <kiugetski> is anyone available to help me ?
#1708 [14:52] <lutzee> Sebl, in the server properties file, unless you are using bukkit then you want to ask in #bukkit
#1709 [14:53] <Sebl> ah, i understand, thanks,
#1710 [14:54] <Sebl> does it work on the fly or does the server have to be restarted
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#1712 [14:56] <lutzee> restarted
#1713 [14:56] <kiugetski> i really need help to get my server working with no-ip
#1714 [14:57] <kiugetski> it only work on hamachi :(
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#1717 [14:58] <cody122704> My grandson can't move his men in the game. I have tried re-booting the computer. What can I do to fix this?
#1718 [14:59] <cody122704> We load the game and the screen loads but he can't do anything
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#1720 [15:00] <ZipereX> Hello. Where can I download minecraft_server.jar for beta 1.5? :G
#1721 [15:00] <lutzee> the main control keys are w a s and d if you are using the arrow keys they will not work
#1722 [15:00] <lutzee> ZipereX, not possible
#1723 [15:00] <ZipereX> ;/ I wanted to play good, old alpha :P
#1724 [15:00] <cody122704> He was using the arrow keys for the last month
#1725 [15:01] <lutzee> cody122704, ask him to try w a s d
#1726 [15:01] <cody122704> will do thank you
#1727 [15:02] <kiugetski> i guess i will not get any help from here lol
#1728 [15:02] <ZipereX> But some youtubers have played on alpha/beta servers in these times.
#1729 [15:04] <lutzee> ZipereX, if they have backups of the old versions of minecraft it is possible but it is ilegal to then distribute these backups
#1730 [15:04] <ZipereX> Okay, thanks for answer
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#1732 [15:08] <Mary> I am unable to connect to minecraft
#1733 [15:08] <Mary> I have already changed my password and still can not get online. I do not understand the problem
#1734 [15:10] <Mary> This actually is an ongoing problem with this game of having difficulty trying to login. It becomes very very frustrating
#1735 [15:12] <Mary> Hello. Is anyone going to help?
#1736 [15:12] <kiugetski> [INFO] /69.163.149.200:42702 lost connection the port tester say its open but from minecraft i cant connect :(
#1737 [15:14] <kiugetski> and if i try it say connection refused
#1738 [15:15] <Mary> I am not understanding
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#1740 [15:17] <Kaco> all plugins no longer work after server update
#1741 [15:18] <Kaco> this is normal? will i have to wait for all plugins to be updated?
#1742 [15:19] <lutzee> bukkit help in #bukkit
#1743 [15:20] <Kaco> plugins are only for bukkit?
#1744 [15:20] <lutzee> yes
#1745 [15:20] <Kaco> ahhh my bad sorry
#1746 [15:20] <Morrolan> Respectively for hmod, if you're still using that one, or for Spout's server.
#1747 [15:20] <Morrolan> But the vanilla server doesn't have plugins. :)
#1748 [15:21] <Kaco> ahh ok thanks and thanks for the channel name
#1749 [15:21] <Morrolan> Which does make me wonder how Spout's server is coming along, haven't heard anything in quite some time.
#1750 [15:21] <Morrolan> Which does make me wonder how Spout's server is coming along, haven't heard anything in quite some time.
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#1752 [15:23] <kiugetski> hey can someone give me help ?
#1753 [15:23] <Morrolan> Do the server's version and the client's version match?
#1754 [15:24] <kiugetski> yes
#1755 [15:25] <Morrolan> What is your server's IP? (You can send me a private message, if you don't want others to know)
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#1757 [15:25] <Cisna> Hi
#1758 [15:25] <kiugetski> its mcqc.zapto.org
#1759 [15:26] <kiugetski> from no-ip
#1760 [15:26] <Cisna> I want to delete my Minecraft account for privacy reasons.
#1761 [15:26] <Cisna> I don't play Minecraft anymore.
#1762 [15:26] <Morrolan> Cisna - You'd have to contact Mojang for that. However, they are currently working on e-mails from two months ago, so you'd have to wait a while for it to happen.
#1763 [15:26] <Cisna> How can i contact Mojang? What is the email address?
#1764 [15:27] <Morrolan> http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/emails/new <- There's a form on that site. Make sure to include the transaction ID, as a proof that you own the account in question.
#1765 [15:27] <Morrolan> !check mcqc.zapto.org
#1766 [15:27] <Cisna> Thanks!
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#1768 [15:27] <kiugetski> yes i did
#1769 [15:28] <Morrolan> kiugetski - Make sure that the internal IP specified in the port forwarding matches the internal IP of the computer the server is on.
#1770 [15:28] <kiugetski> oh
#1771 [15:28] <kiugetski> qcmc
#1772 [15:28] <Morrolan> Oh.
#1773 [15:28] <Morrolan> !check qcmc.zapto.org
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#1775 [15:28] <Morrolan> Well, seems the server is up, so the portforwarding is fine.
#1776 [15:28] <lutzee> ._. 2000? thats dangerous
#1777 [15:28] <Morrolan> And you say that you can't connect yourself?
#1778 [15:28] <kiugetski> then why i cant connect m,y self
#1779 [15:28] <kiugetski> yeah 2000
#1780 [15:29] <GreyVulpine> What IP are you using?
#1781 [15:29] <Morrolan> Is the server hosted on the same network you are?
#1782 [15:29] <kiugetski> i have made a 12 core machine
#1783 [15:29] <kiugetski> i play on the same mac hine
#1784 [15:29] <GreyVulpine> The server will use 1 core.
#1785 [15:29] <Morrolan> Minecraft isn't multi-threaded enough that 12 cores will matter.
#1786 [15:29] <GreyVulpine> Try 127.0.0.1
#1787 [15:29] <Morrolan> GreyVulpine - Eh, I believe it can use two cores.
#1788 [15:29] <Morrolan> Or maybe that's jsut BUkkit.
#1789 [15:29] <Morrolan> Just Bukkit*
#1790 [15:29] <GreyVulpine> I've been out of touch with minecraft for a while now
#1791 [15:29] <SBJaaaaay> i Just Bought A Premium Account & I Meant To Buy A Code. Is Their Any Way I Can Recieve A Refund?
#1792 [15:29] <Morrolan> But it definitely will never use twelve. :)
#1793 [15:29] <kiugetski> cant either
#1794 [15:29] <Cisna> But you need RAM, not CPU cores :D
#1795 [15:30] <kiugetski> 32gb ram
#1796 [15:30] <GreyVulpine> kiugetski - Did you happen to fill in the server-ip line at server.properties?
#1797 [15:30] <GreyVulpine> kiugetski - If so, delete it and restart the server
#1798 [15:30] <kiugetski> min
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#1800 [15:30] <Morrolan> Cisna - Heck, you _could_ buy enough RAM to fit 2k players, the real problem would be upload speed.
#1801 [15:30] <Cisna> Yeah i know.
#1802 [15:30] <Morrolan> IIRC it's recommended to have 100 KB/s per player, so you'd have to get a 200MB/s uplink.
#1803 [15:31] <Cisna> IIRC?
#1804 [15:31] <GreyVulpine> if I recall correctly
#1805 [15:31] <Morrolan> If I recall/remember correctly.
#1806 [15:31] <Cisna> AH
#1807 [15:31] <kiugetski> !check qcmc.zapto.org
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#1809 [15:31] <GreyVulpine> And yeah, 100-150 is usually what I would recommend as well
#1810 [15:31] <Cisna> 200 Mbit/s Uplink is not high :D
#1811 [15:31] * GreyVulpine snrks
#1811 [15:32] <Morrolan> Byte, not bit.
#1812 [15:32] <kiugetski> good now it work
#1813 [15:32] <Morrolan> And true, you might be able to get that from a datacenter.
#1814 [15:32] <kiugetski> can anyone conect tpo see its its good
#1815 [15:32] <GreyVulpine> Aubot already did
#1816 [15:32] <GreyVulpine> It's good.
#1817 [15:32] <Cisna> I have my own datacenter oO
#1818 [15:32] <Rikairchy> 0.0
#1819 [15:33] <Cisna> !check lilly.cisna.de
#1820 [15:33] <Cisna> lol?
#1821 [15:33] <Rikairchy> you have a datacenter, or you have a dedicated server
#1822 [15:33] <Cisna> I have shutdown the server -.-
#1823 [15:33] <Cisna> Own datacenter in Germany
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#1826 [15:33] <Morrolan> A whole datacenter, or is your dedi located ther?
#1827 [15:34] <Rikairchy> you own/manage all the servers there, or just rent one
#1828 [15:34] <Morrolan> there*
#1829 [15:34] <Nathan2055> !login
#1830 [15:34] <Cisna> Own datacenter, look at http://www.telemaxx.de/
#1831 [15:34] <Rikairchy> got an english version?
#1832 [15:34] <Cisna> Not available
#1833 [15:34] <Cisna> :D
#1834 [15:34] <Morrolan> Well yea, they sell racks, but not whole datacenters. ;)
#1835 [15:35] <Cisna> It's located in Germany (Karlsruhe)
#1836 [15:35] <Rikairchy> heh
#1837 [15:35] <Rikairchy> Mobilfunk
#1838 [15:36] <Cisna> We sell Racks, Cages, Places for their own servers, Mainnatance, Backup on Demand, Storage on Demand and Online Backup :)
#1839 [15:36] <Cisna> *Meinentance
#1840 [15:36] <Rikairchy> and you need to come here for help...?
#1841 [15:36] <Morrolan> Maintenance. :)
#1842 [15:36] <Morrolan> He/she needed a link to contact MOjang.
#1843 [15:36] <Morrolan> Mojang*
#1844 [15:36] <Rikairchy> ohh
#1845 [15:36] <Cisna> Yes, i can't find any contact link on the www.minecraft.net web site :(
#1846 [15:36] <Morrolan> Deleting one's Minecraft account, etc.
#1847 [15:37] <Rikairchy> 0.0
#1848 [15:37] <Rikairchy> why not give it away
#1849 [15:37] <Rikairchy> I did that
#1850 [15:37] <Morrolan> If you just care about privacy then you could migrate your account, and change the e-mail address to some random, non-existend address, btw.
#1851 [15:37] <Cisna> The Minecraft wiki sucks xD
#1852 [15:37] <Morrolan> The wiki is just fine. :)
#1853 [15:38] <Cisna> Yes, but I want to delete it :)
#1854 [15:38] <Cisna> I don't know xD
#1855 [15:38] <Nathan2055> Why do you need Mojang?
#1856 [15:39] <Cisna> ...
#1857 [15:39] <Cisna> For my account deletion?
#1858 [15:39] <Nathan2055> Okay, I had the link here somewhere, let me find it...
#1859 [15:39] <Cisna> I have already the link
#1860 [15:40] <Nathan2055> http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/emails/new
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#1862 [15:40] <Cisna> !check lilly.cisna.de
#1863 [15:41] <Cisna> WTF?
#1864 [15:41] <Nathan2055> Why do you need an account deletion, if you don't mind my asking?
#1865 [15:41] <Nathan2055> 3200?
#1866 [15:41] <Nathan2055> !check lilly.cisna.de
#1867 [15:41] <Cisna> As you see, i have already my answer...
#1868 [15:41] <Cisna> [21:27] <Morrolan> http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/emails/new <- There's a form on that site. Make sure to include the transaction ID, as a proof that you own the account in question.
#1869 [15:41] <Grim_Reaper> Yes Grim is me >_>
#1870 [15:42] <Nathan2055> !check lilly.cisna.de
#1871 [15:42] <Grim_Reaper> Seriously.. somebody PLEASE update AuBot not to say things look Grim
#1872 [15:42] <Grim_Reaper> fff ;____;
#1873 [15:42] <Cisna> The server is updating...
#1874 [15:42] <Nathan2055> Sorry, I'm trying to help this person.
#1875 [15:42] <Morrolan> Nathan2055 - Try #aubotdevchan if you want to use that every x seconds. ;)
#1876 [15:42] <Cisna> Ressource testing
#1877 [15:42] <Nathan2055> Fine.
#1878 [15:42] * Grim_Reaper hugs g
#1878 [15:42] <Morrolan> Grim_Reaper - Poke Kealper. :)
#1879 [15:42] * Grim_Reaper pokes the hell out of Kealper
#1879 [15:43] <Nathan2055> That channel is dead.
#1880 [15:43] <Nathan2055> I can't connect to it.
#1881 [15:43] <Cisna> !check lilly.cisna.de
#1882 [15:43] <Cisna> lol?
#1883 [15:43] <Morrolan> Nathan2055 - You are in it at the moment. ^.^
#1884 [15:43] <Grim_Reaper> 3200?
#1885 [15:43] <Grim_Reaper> Woa.. abit.. much isn't it
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#1887 [15:44] <Grim_Reaper> I hate to imagine the resourced needed for 3200 players on a single MC server
#1888 [15:44] <Morrolan> Doubtful there's any CPU which could handle it.
#1889 [15:44] <Nathan2055> I think my connection is dead.
#1890 [15:45] <Grim_Reaper> Morrolan.. Perhaps.. we should consult the higher power
#1891 [15:45] <Morrolan> You want to ask INtel whether they provide you with a 10Ghz CPU for an experiment? ;D
#1892 [15:45] <Morrolan> Intel
#1893 [15:45] <Nathan2055> Guys, I'm reading logs, I'm not getting any incoming chat, but outgoing is working.
#1894 [15:45] <Nathan2055> I'm going to reconnect.
#1895 [15:45] <Cisna> Okay, i try to host Minecraft on my hightest server xD
#1896 [15:45] <Morrolan> Have you tried to turn it off and on again? :D
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#1898 [15:46] <Grim_Reaper> lol
#1899 [15:46] <Morrolan> Oh, wait.
#1900 [15:46] <Morrolan> Any chance Nathan is using xchat?
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#1902 [15:46] <Grim_Reaper> We'll have to get an i15 running at 10Ghz each
#1903 [15:46] <catseye10000> hello anyone know where to find a copy of 1.2.5?
#1904 [15:46] <Morrolan> Since, well, IIRC #aubotdev's /topic is an xchat-related exploit.
#1905 [15:46] <Grim_Reaper> Somebody post xchat exploit >_>
#1906 [15:46] <Morrolan> catseye10000 - You'll have to use a tool like MCNostalgia to downgrade to 1.2.5
#1907 [15:46] <Grim_Reaper> catseye10000 there is no official way
#1908 [15:46] <Grim_Reaper> ^
#1909 [15:46] <Nathan2055> Testing, testing, can you hear me?
#1910 [15:47] <Morrolan> Yes.
#1911 [15:47] <Grim_Reaper> Yes
#1912 [15:47] <Grim_Reaper> Actually no
#1913 [15:47] <Nathan2055> I'm on chatzilla.
#1914 [15:47] <Morrolan> And nope, he's using Chatzilla.
#1915 [15:47] <catseye10000> Ithanks then
#1916 [15:47] <Grim_Reaper> I can read you though
#1917 [15:47] <Grim_Reaper> I cannot hear you though
#1918 [15:47] <Cisna> !check lilly.cisna.de
#1919 [15:47] <Cisna> ...
#1920 [15:47] <Grim_Reaper> 6800?
#1921 [15:47] <Cisna> no comment
#1922 [15:47] <Grim_Reaper> P_P
#1923 [15:47] <Morrolan> Cisna -<.<
#1924 [15:47] <Morrolan> Ofcourse you can choose the limit as high as you want.
#1925 [15:47] <Grim_Reaper> lol
#1926 [15:47] <Nathan2055> Let me guess, a weird character that KOs X-Chat.
#1927 [15:47] <Grim_Reaper> 512GB's of ram >_>
#1928 [15:47] <Morrolan> The REAL question is whether you can SUPPORT 6k people at once.
#1929 [15:48] <Grim_Reaper> ^
#1930 [15:48] <Cisna> The server has only 510 GB RAM, i don't know why the server has 512 GB RAM o.O
#1931 [15:48] * lutzee is using xchat and is still alive
#1931 [15:48] <Morrolan> Your 128 cores won't be any use there, with vanilla or bukkit server.
#1932 [15:48] <Grim_Reaper> Cisna are you sure it's.. GB?
#1933 [15:48] <Grim_Reaper> And not MB?
#1934 [15:48] <Morrolan> Maybe Spout's server has threading support.
#1935 [15:48] <Morrolan> Grim_Reaper - It's a cluster, seemingly.
#1936 [15:48] <Cisna> Yes, i'm sure. Im connected via PuTTY.
#1937 [15:48] <Grim_Reaper> Oh
#1938 [15:49] <Grim_Reaper> If thats the case..
#1939 [15:49] <Nathan2055> lutzee: Great, now you have me humming that. :P
#1940 [15:49] * Grim_Reaper drools at specs
#1940 [15:49] <lutzee> You think he will notice if a server goes missing?
#1941 [15:49] <Cisna> 6800 players... Please don't ask me for the required Uplink xD
#1942 [15:49] <Nathan2055> Who runs Aubot?
#1943 [15:50] <Grim_Reaper> Kealper does
#1944 [15:50] <Kealper> wat
#1945 [15:50] <Grim_Reaper> Upload required for 6k players.. Hmm
#1946 [15:50] <Cisna> Let me see ^^
#1947 [15:50] <Morrolan> Cisna - 6000 * 0.1 MB/s = 600 MB/s
#1948 [15:50] <Kealper> it wouldn't go past 255 players
#1949 [15:50] <Grim_Reaper> Kealper.. Kealper.. please I beg of you.. Please change aubot's "Im sorry but things like Grim for blahblah to something without the grim ;-;
#1950 [15:50] <Grim_Reaper> It always highlights me :<
#1951 [15:51] <Kealper> it would surprise me if the client DIDN'T crash when the 256th player logged on
#1952 [15:51] <Grim_Reaper> ^
#1953 [15:51] <Morrolan> You think they keep track of player count in a byte? Or am I missing something else?
#1954 [15:51] <Grim_Reaper> Lets just assume a 10Gbit speed is good enough
#1955 [15:52] <Cisna> Cluster status: ONLINE Connected servers: 188 Total CPU: 128x 3,50 GHz amd64 Opteron Total RAM: 128 x 4 GB DDR3-ECC Bandwidth (Download): 2048 Gbit/s bandwidth (Upload): 2048 Gbit/s
#1956 [15:52] <Kealper> Morrolan: unless they've changed it in 1.3, all the playerlist-related things only use a single count byte
#1957 [15:52] <Morrolan> Kealper - Ow, sheesh.
#1958 [15:52] <Grim_Reaper> o_O
#1959 [15:52] <Grim_Reaper> Wow..
#1960 [15:52] <Grim_Reaper> Kealper so.. would AuBot's grim.. be taken out ;-;?
#1961 [15:53] <Cisna> I love AuBot ^^
#1962 [15:53] <Kealper> i guess
#1963 [15:53] <TheNoodle> Cisna, name of the dc?
#1964 [15:53] <Cisna> TelemaxX Telekommunikation GmbH
#1965 [15:53] <Grim_Reaper> Yay \o/
#1966 [15:53] <Grim_Reaper> !check sexiness
#1967 [15:53] <Grim_Reaper> grr
#1968 [15:53] <Kealper> i very highly doubt something has 2tbit of connectivity....
#1969 [15:53] <Cisna> Fail
#1970 [15:53] <Nathan2055> How about "bad" instead.
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#1972 [15:54] <Grim_Reaper> I doubt said cluster would work well
#1973 [15:54] <Grim_Reaper> Cisna.. 6800 players is just overkill for minecraft
#1974 [15:54] <Cisna> I know ^^
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#1976 [15:54] <Cisna> It's only a test
#1977 [15:54] <Grim_Reaper> Imagine 6800 users trying to generate unexplored areas xP
#1978 [15:54] <Grim_Reaper> And the amount of space it would require
#1979 [15:54] <Morrolan> Well, if you manage to fill it, Cisna, poke me.
#1980 [15:54] <Kealper> not to mention the server doesn't scale well, it's not extremely multithreaded
#1981 [15:54] <Grim_Reaper> ^
#1982 [15:54] <Grim_Reaper> Yeah
#1983 [15:54] <Grim_Reaper> If your test is.. successful. I will be amazed xP
#1984 [15:54] <Cisna> Kealper: The Datacanter has a maximum of 10 TB/s ...
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#1986 [15:55] <TheNoodle> That's not what I'm seeing on your site.
#1987 [15:55] * Grim_Reaper hugs TheNoodle
#1987 [15:55] <Kealper> maybe internally if they traveled to the future, but i doubt it's anywhere near that on the internet-facing side of things
#1988 [15:56] <Cisna> Total Shared with Partners.
#1989 [15:56] <Cisna> The datacenter alone has 6 GB/s (for Backup) and 10 GB/s for Customers
#1990 [15:57] <Kealper> even when getting in to things like 10gbit/s links, you start to need specialized hardware for it
#1991 [15:57] <Cisna> The IP backbone is connected with a total bandwidth of 6 Gb / s to 6 different upstream partner. These are redundant on two data centers in Karlsruhe and the DE-CIX in Frankfurt divided. The internal IP backbone TelemaxX has a capacity of 30 Gbit / s and has a completely redundant ring structures.
#1992 [15:57] <Cisna> Yes, we have the hardware.
#1993 [15:57] <TheNoodle> That's not 10tbit.
#1994 [15:58] <Grim_Reaper> ^
#1995 [15:58] <Cisna> I know, but we can reach the 10 TB/s if we need it.
#1996 [15:58] <Kealper> and i'm pretty sure 10tbit is faster than the speed between a high-end processor and it's connection to the motherboard
#1997 [15:58] <Cisna> But we don't need it, and not in the future.
#1998 [15:58] <lutzee> Excuse me while i suddenly some how aquire some really nice servers..
#1999 [15:59] <Cisna> You can't reach the 10 TB/s with a single network adapter :D
#2000 [15:59] <Kealper> i mean... it's possible to have a combined total of something like that i guess, but that would be counting TONS of datacenters, so it isn't like any one machine could reach anywhere near that sort of data
#2001 [16:00] <Kealper> right...
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#2003 [16:00] <Kealper> data transfer*
#2004 [16:00] <Jouster500> How do i find the seed for a world in the 1.3.1 update?
#2005 [16:00] <TheNoodle> You're lucky to reach 50gbps.
#2006 [16:00] <Kealper> Jouster500: type /seed in the ingame chat
#2007 [16:00] <Morrolan> Open the level.dat with NBTedit or similar, Jouster500.
#2008 [16:00] <Morrolan> Huh.
#2009 [16:00] <Cisna> All servers have 3 to 6 network adapters, to avoid a network failure
#2010 [16:00] <Morrolan> Well, that's easier.
#2011 [16:00] <Jouster500> ok thanks
#2012 [16:00] <Kealper> Morrolan: indeed, was just added in 1.3
#2013 [16:01] <Morrolan> I assume it's op-only in multiplayer?
#2014 [16:01] <Kealper> i don't believe so...
#2015 [16:01] <Morrolan> Meh. Oh well, nice feature nevertheless. :)
#2016 [16:01] <Kealper> it might be, but i don't see why it wouldn't; the seed has always been available to everyone in past versions
#2017 [16:01] <Cisna> Hey, you can the seed on the Debug Screen (Press F3 in-game)
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#2019 [16:01] <Cisna> *see the seed
#2020 [16:02] <lutzee> Cisna, not in 1.3
#2021 [16:02] <Cisna> not?
#2022 [16:02] <Morrolan> "There is currently no way for clients in a multiplayer server to determine the seed of a certain world without using external commands or tools or having access to the world files themselves." assuming the wiki is correct, it's sp-only.
#2023 [16:02] <Morrolan> Cisna - That was removed in 1.2
#2024 [16:02] <lutzee> they removed that feature and added /seed command instead
#2025 [16:02] <Morrolan> Kealper - And I'm damn glad that it got removed. People used the seed + tools to find out which chunks spawn slimes etc.
#2026 [16:02] <Cisna> On my 1.2.5 is will work o.O
#2027 [16:02] <Kealper> i know for a fact there is a /seed in smp, so it must be an op-only command then
#2028 [16:02] <Morrolan> Huh.
#2029 [16:02] <Morrolan> Kealper - Hmm, might be.
#2030 [16:02] <Kealper> and yes, the level seed spot was removed in 1.3
#2031 [16:03] <Morrolan> Or the wiki just isn't updated. :)
#2032 [16:03] <Cisna> I take a screenshot :)
#2033 [16:03] <Kealper> or that
#2034 [16:03] <Morrolan> Ah, I thought it was removed earlier already.
#2035 [16:04] <Cisna> Hmm
#2036 [16:04] <Cisna> I think Minecraft 1.8 was the best version
#2037 [16:04] <Morrolan> Pft, nostalgia spotted.
#2038 [16:04] <Cisna> xD
#2039 [16:04] <Morrolan> I liked most of the additions. :)
#2040 [16:05] <Kealper> <hipster>i don't know, i liked 1.2.5....alpha...</hipster>
#2041 [16:05] <Kealper> :P
#2042 [16:05] <Kealper> reload mod_mchelp
#2043 [16:05] * Morrolan hugs AuBot and slaps Kealper
#2043 [16:05] <Kealper> derp
#2044 [16:05] <Kealper> !reload mod_mchelp
#2045 [16:05] <Cisna> xD
#2046 [16:05] <Cisna> !mchelp
#2047 [16:06] <Cisna> !help
#2048 [16:06] <Kealper> !check s.nerd.nu
#2049 [16:06] <Kealper> !check asdfasdfasdf
#2050 [16:06] <Cisna> "myip
#2051 [16:06] <Cisna> !myip
#2052 [16:06] <Kealper> Grim_Reaper: ^
#2053 [16:06] <Grim_Reaper> Holy fak it's an african
#2054 [16:06] <Grim_Reaper> Also yeah thanks Kealper
#2055 [16:06] <Grim_Reaper> <3
#2056 [16:07] <Morrolan> You totally should have changed it to "Sorry xyz, but things look Grey for xyz" ;)
#2057 [16:07] <Kealper> does he have that as a highlight word? rofl
#2058 [16:07] <Morrolan> I don't know, to be honest.
#2059 [16:08] <Morrolan> But seeing as how people like to shorten nicks when they talk with you, probably.
#2060 [16:08] <Morrolan> I used to have one for "Morro", for example, until I started to get annoyed by being highlighted when people said "tomorrow"
#2061 [16:08] * Kealper is a rebel and only has "Kealper" set as a highlight word
#2061 [16:09] <skyboy> Morrolan: /\bmorror/i
#2062 [16:09] <skyboy> -r
#2063 [16:09] <Morrolan> "Some people, when confronted with a problem, think, 'Oh hey, I'll use RegEx!'. Now they have two problems."
#2064 [16:09] <Morrolan> But yes, that would probably be a solution, thanks. ;)
#2065 [16:10] <Kealper> hey, regex is an amazing thing once you've mastered it lol
#2066 [16:10] <skyboy> it is indeed
#2067 [16:10] <Morrolan> I've only used it for basic tasks so far (e.g. verifying an API key could be correct), but I guess it can be nice indeed.
#2068 [16:11] <skyboy> the neat thing is it's almost a turing complete language
#2069 [16:11] <skyboy> granted, it would be a turing tarpit, much like whitespace or brainfuck
#2070 [16:11] * AuBot kicked skyboy from #minecrafthelp (Reason: kyboy :Please keep it civil.)
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#2072 [16:11] <Kealper> speaking of regex
#2073 [16:11] <skyboy> it's a programming language!
#2074 [16:12] <Morrolan> Then again, when I see something like this: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2005/02/regex-use-vs-regex-abuse.html
#2075 [16:12] * Kealper reads
#2075 [16:12] <skyboy> both of them are, actually. whitespace is impossible without syntax highlighting
#2076 [16:12] <Morrolan> Chances are you've seen it already, Kealper, it's a fairly popular article I think. But it's funny nevertheless. :)
#2077 [16:14] <Cisna> I have Minecraft 1.2.5 with 51 Mods xD
#2078 [16:15] <Kealper> Morrolan: i have not... and oh dear lord that regex block for validating an email address
#2079 [16:15] <Morrolan> Hehe, yea.
#2080 [16:15] <skyboy> i would scrap that and rewrite it from scratch
#2081 [16:15] <skyboy> screw even attempting to debug that
#2082 [16:16] <Kealper> ^
#2083 [16:16] <skyboy> what's worse - they used octal
#2084 [16:16] <Kealper> indeed... so it makes a monstrosity even more monsterous D:
#2085 [16:17] <skyboy> bahaha, it's part of a perl module
#2086 [16:17] <Hedge> Hello. I'm having problems running 1.3.1 server on my FreeBSD shell. Every time an user tries to connect he gets an error "End of stream" and server console shows an error message http://pastebin.com/KgBydfqg Everything works fine on my own Ubuntu. Also, previous versions of server software (1.2.5 and earlier) worked well.
#2087 [16:17] <Cisna> I build a nuclear bomb XD
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#2089 [16:18] <Kealper> Hedge: first thing's first... is the system time and date correct on the server?
#2090 [16:19] <Cisna> Try ia32-libs or anything if you use the amd64 (64bit) architecture.
#2091 [16:19] <Hedge> It's UTC+1. One hour less than my local time but it's correct
#2092 [16:20] <Cisna> Also try to install ia32 libaries.
#2093 [16:20] <Hedge> Cisna, I don't have access to packet manager (or sudo at all). Do I need sudo for installing those?
#2094 [16:20] <Cisna> Why do you have access to it?
#2095 [16:21] <Cisna> It's your own dedicated server or a Minecraft server hosting package, e.g. Nitrado?
#2096 [16:21] <Hedge> It's a shell
#2097 [16:21] <skyboy> interesting error
#2098 [16:21] <Hedge> So I'm just a one regular user on that system
#2099 [16:21] <kiugetski> is there a channel to find people ?
#2100 [16:22] <Cisna> Ask your system administrator who have access to the root account to install the ia32 libaries.
#2101 [16:22] <Kealper> kiugetski: find what people?
#2102 [16:22] <Hedge> Okay, thanks
#2103 [16:22] <Cisna> Then this not works, come back :)
#2104 [16:22] <kiugetski> i want people on my server now :P
#2105 [16:23] <Kealper> kiugetski: ahh, you could try advertising your server on the #smp channel, and on http://reddit.com/r/mcservers
#2106 [16:23] <Cisna> But install the ia32 libaries ONLY if you have a amd64 (also 64bit) architecture. The installation of the ia32 libaries on 32bit systems will now work.
#2107 [16:23] <Grim_Reaper> Or forums
#2108 [16:24] <Hedge> Java is 64-bit. That means the system is also?
#2109 [16:24] <Cisna> Yes :D
#2110 [16:24] <Hedge> Okay :)
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#2112 [16:24] <Cisna> The 64bit Java can be only installed if your system architecture is the same.
#2113 [16:24] <Hedge> I thought that too
#2114 [16:25] <Cisna> Who have tried to install a Minecraft server on CentOS 6 ? :)
#2115 [16:26] <Grim_Reaper> I believe my friend hosted one on centos..
#2116 [16:26] <Grim_Reaper> Could be wrong
#2117 [16:26] <Cisna> I will try it now xD
#2118 [16:26] * Kealper doesn't like CentOS
#2118 [16:26] <Cisna> :D
#2119 [16:27] <Cisna> I hate CentOS too...
#2120 [16:27] * Grim_Reaper offers Kealper GrimOS
#2120 [16:27] <Cisna> What do you think about HackMine ?
#2121 [16:28] <Kealper> it's too "enterprise" for my tastes... it's good for when you need serious system stability and interoperability, but it's bad if you like having new features, because updates are usually very lagged behind other distributions due to all the testing that needs to be done to make sure that update isn't going to break anything
#2122 [16:28] <Kealper> CentOS, that is
#2123 [16:29] <Cisna> And not all programs are up to date.
#2124 [16:29] <Grim_Reaper> GrimOS is the best os around. Designed from death itself
#2125 [16:29] <TheNytangel> Wug: my dad thinks your name is "Geek" apparently
#2126 [16:29] <Grim_Reaper> lol
#2127 [16:29] <Cisna> CentOS 6 has Apachee 2.2.12, but the newest version is 2.2.22 ...
#2128 [16:30] <Kealper> Cisna: well yeah, that's what i'm talking about... and i know why they do it like that, too
#2129 [16:30] <Cisna> And Ubuntu is the second shit... every 6 months a new version, and upgrade it if you want to get the newest program updates and much more, that SUCKS
#2130 [16:31] <Kealper> yeah, i've never really thought much of using Ubuntu as a server OS... it updates too frequently
#2131 [16:31] <Kealper> i guess i can understand if you use the LTS server versions of Ubuntu, but regular Ubuntu is bleh for servers
#2132 [16:32] <Cisna> The LTS sucks too...
#2133 [16:32] * Kealper coughs "How about that Arch Linux for servers!?"
#2133 [16:32] * lutzee uses ubuntu 10.04 for his server
#2133 [16:32] <Cisna> Many new features... and the system administrators don't need one of them ... ^^
#2134 [16:32] <lutzee> It works cba to update it
#2135 [16:33] <Kealper> lutzee: that's the mindset of CentOS
#2136 [16:33] <Cisna> The website say's Up to Date, but my installed Version is not Up to Date xD - http://s14.directupload.net/images/120805/hszwozl8.png
#2137 [16:33] <lutzee> Kealper, i would have used CentOS but i needed something quick and easy
#2138 [16:34] <Cisna> Okay, not its's crashed xD
#2139 [16:34] <Cisna> *now
#2140 [16:34] <lutzee> hackmine uses the technicpack?
#2141 [16:34] <Cisna> I don't know.
#2142 [16:34] <Cisna> I will test it.
#2143 [16:34] <lutzee> If it does i want nothing to do with it.
#2144 [16:34] <Cisna> ^^
#2145 [16:35] <Cisna> There are no mods installed xD
#2146 [16:35] <Cisna> In HackMine
#2147 [16:35] <Cisna> Okay, some Mods in the minecraft.jar
#2148 [16:36] <Cisna> It's a RPG
#2149 [16:39] <Morrolan> Kealper - Haha, "Screw uptime, weekly updates ftw"
#2150 [16:39] <Morrolan> I really like Arch Linux for my personal laptop though.
#2151 [16:39] <Cisna> I you mean it ...
#2152 [16:40] <Cisna> the technic launcher sucks
#2153 [16:40] <Morrolan> "It really like Arch Linux for my personal laptop thoug." <- No, Cisna, I definitely did not mean "It" ;)
#2154 [16:40] <Kealper> Morrolan: i'm like two months behind on my updates for my vps lol
#2155 [16:40] * Kealper runs Arch on his vps
#2155 [16:40] <Morrolan> Kealper - Heh, I've got a little testing server here, running Arch as well. I think I'm fifty days behind atm.
#2156 [16:41] <Cisna> I mean Morrolan
#2157 [16:41] <Cisna> -> [22:39] <Morrolan> Kealper - Haha, "Screw uptime, weekly updates ftw"
#2158 [16:41] <Morrolan> On my VPS I'm running Debian though. :)
#2159 [16:41] <Cisna> Debian best
#2160 [16:42] <Morrolan> Cisna - Sorry, blame it on me being tired, but I still don't see where I should have put an "it".
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#2162 [16:42] <Cisna> My english is not so good, please ignore my fails :)
#2163 [16:42] <Morrolan> Okay, I forgot about it already. :D
#2164 [16:42] <Grim_Reaper> It's b.b.b.b.i. bildramer!
#2165 [16:42] <Cisna> Thanks :D
#2166 [16:43] * Kealper doesn't even notice little slip-ups in messages
#2166 [16:43] <Kealper> one of the nice things about English, it's quite a fault-tolerant language :o
#2167 [16:43] * Grim_Reaper notices Kealper could totally replace k with an h and be healper
#2167 [16:44] <Cisna> xD
#2168 [16:44] <Kealper> and yet, if i tpye lkie tihs, you can siltl udnersntad me
#2169 [16:44] <Grim_Reaper> Kealper true
#2170 [16:45] <Cisna> http://s14.directupload.net/images/120805/hvf9j27g.png
#2171 [16:45] <Cisna> I like the font
#2172 [16:46] <Kealper> :P
#2173 [16:46] <lutzee> Cisna, looks like the font file from sphax :p
#2174 [16:46] <lutzee> i use it to xD
#2175 [16:46] <Cisna> :D
#2176 [16:48] <Morrolan> In god's name, there has to be a way to buy English books from Switzerland without having shipment costs cost you a fortune.
#2177 [16:48] <Grim_Reaper> Morrolan, offer nudes
#2178 [16:48] <Cisna> ?
#2179 [16:48] <Cisna> It's German, Idiot :D
#2180 [16:48] <Morrolan> I wonder whether I can just order them in a bookshop. oO
#2181 [16:49] <Morrolan> Yes, I know that the Swiss speak German. (I live here, after all)
#2182 [16:49] <Cisna> xD
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#2184 [16:49] <Kealper> the... Swiss.... speak German?
#2185 [16:49] <Cisna> lol
#2186 [16:49] <Grim_Reaper> It's a swiss thing
#2187 [16:49] <Kealper> as a side note... Morrolan, you don't live in Germany? lol
#2188 [16:50] <Morrolan> amazon.com: $120, but another $60 for shipment.
#2189 [16:50] <Morrolan> Kealper - Nope, I don't.
#2190 [16:50] <Kealper> :|
#2191 [16:50] <Cisna> I'm not Swiss :D
#2192 [16:50] <Cisna> I'm from Germany
#2193 [16:50] <Kealper> Morrolan: i've just always imagined you being German for some reason
#2194 [16:50] <Cisna> What do you think yout the skin? http://s7.directupload.net/images/120805/ttadx646.png
#2195 [16:51] <Cisna> What do you think about the skin? http://s7.directupload.net/images/120805/ttadx646.png
#2196 [16:51] <Kealper> trippy
#2197 [16:51] <Morrolan> amazon.co.uk: £14 shipment only, but there the books cost £112. <.<
#2198 [16:51] <Morrolan> Meaning it'd be cheaper to buy from 'murrica than from GB.
#2199 [16:51] <Morrolan> Kealper - Hehe.
#2200 [16:51] <Morrolan> But it's still darn expensive.
#2201 [16:53] <Cisna> On german Amazon, the english book costs 190 Euros xD
#2202 [16:53] <Kealper> O.o
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#2204 [16:53] <Cisna> My WLAN sucks :/
#2205 [16:53] <Morrolan> It's funny that the same books on amazon.co.uk are much more expensive though. :S
#2206 [16:53] <Morrolan> than on amazon.com
#2207 [16:54] <Kealper> what sort of books are you looking at that cost that much money?
#2208 [16:54] <Cisna> English for Newbies xD
#2209 [16:54] <Morrolan> Oh, it's a whole series. (Steven Brust's Taltos series)
#2210 [16:54] <Kealper> oh, a series of books is more understandable lol
#2211 [16:54] <Morrolan> Haha, I wasn't looking into buying a 500 year old bible or so. ;)
#2212 [16:54] <Cisna> XD
#2213 [16:55] <Kealper> Cisna: you're already better at English than 75% of the USA's population will ever be
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#2215 [16:55] <Cisna> Thanks :D
#2216 [16:55] <Kealper> i die a little bit inside when i read facebook
#2217 [16:55] <Grim_Reaper> ^
#2218 [16:55] <Cisna> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Who-am-I-Richard-Watson/dp/0460062522/ref=sr_1_1_title_0_main?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1344200116&sr=1-1
#2219 [16:55] <Cisna> No comment about it XD
#2220 [16:56] <Kealper> ugh... one of the bad things about using Firefox's Nightly builds
#2221 [16:56] * Kealper waits for that update
#2221 [16:56] <Kealper> ok then
#2222 [16:56] <Kealper> dat price
#2223 [16:57] <Cisna> £5,508,800.00 + £2.80UK delivery
#2224 [16:57] <Cisna> xD
#2225 [16:57] <lutzee> paperback 0.1
#2226 [16:58] <Cisna> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Australia-Investigate-Series-Whitecap-Books-Very-Good-Book-/280936354154?pt=US_Childrens_Books&hash=item41691c916a
#2227 [16:59] <Cisna> My toilet Paper costs more... xD
#2228 [16:59] <Kealper> lol
#2229 [16:59] <Cisna> Look at "Very Good Book" ^^
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#2231 [17:01] <Cisna> I want to buy a new handy for me :D
#2232 [17:01] <Morrolan> Mobile, is the correct English word. :)
#2233 [17:01] <Cisna> :D
#2234 [17:01] <Morrolan> (And yes, it's a common mistake, I made the same one a few times as well)
#2235 [17:02] <Morrolan> Or cellphone, if you prefer American English.
#2236 [17:02] <Kealper> "handy" and "mobile" both sound odd to me, we call them "cells" or "cellphones" over in the states :P
#2237 [17:02] <Cisna> I have learned the Great Britain English
#2238 [17:03] <GreyVulpine> "Call/Text me on my cell"
#2239 [17:03] <Morrolan> Kealper - mobile phone any better, or is cellphone the only thing you US guys accept? ;D
#2240 [17:03] <lutzee> Cell doesn't sound right to me...
#2241 [17:03] <Cisna> Who's from GB?
#2242 [17:03] <Kealper> cell or cellphone are the only ones that sound "proper" in the US lol
#2243 [17:03] <lutzee> I'm british
#2244 [17:03] <GreyVulpine> ^
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#2246 [17:03] <Cisna> GB is british xD
#2247 [17:03] <Morrolan> Kealper - lutzee - Haha.
#2248 [17:03] <Kealper> waht Grey said sounds perfectly normal to me lol
#2249 [17:04] <Kealper> what*
#2250 [17:04] <Cisna> And who's frim the USA?
#2251 [17:04] <lutzee> Cisna, i know, but saying i'm GB sounds odd ;)
#2252 [17:04] <Cisna> *from
#2253 [17:04] * Kealper is
#2253 [17:04] <GreyVulpine> o/
#2254 [17:04] <Morrolan> Most of the ops here are.
#2255 [17:04] <Cisna> And who's from other countries, like Europe?
#2256 [17:04] <Morrolan> o/
#2257 [17:04] <Denizen> i am canadia
#2258 [17:04] <Grim_Reaper> Im an op *coughs*
#2259 [17:04] <Cisna> You "are" Canada or you "from" Canada?
#2260 [17:04] <Kealper> heck, like 3 or 4 of the channel ops are within a few hours drive of eachother lol
#2261 [17:05] <Morrolan> No clue where Igu_ana is from, though.
#2262 [17:05] <Grim_Reaper> lol
#2263 [17:05] * Grim_Reaper hugs Wug T_T
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#2264 [17:05] * Kealper wugs hug
#2264 [17:05] <Morrolan> Same for that other op who is only collecting dust in here. (I don't even recall his name <.<)
#2265 [17:05] <Cisna> Wahaaa IPv6 xD
#2266 [17:05] <Grim_Reaper> Morrolan?
#2267 [17:05] <lukegb> Heh
#2268 [17:05] <Kealper> lol
#2269 [17:05] <Cisna> I have 16 x IPv6 addresses xD
#2270 [17:06] <lutzee> wait moll/stam isn't set to away :op
#2271 [17:06] <lutzee> :o
#2272 [17:06] <GreyVulpine> Only ops that predate me here are [L] and iguana
#2273 [17:06] <Grim_Reaper> It's.. Opeth ?
#2274 [17:06] <Morrolan> GreyVulpine - [L], that's the one I meant.
#2275 [17:06] <Grim_Reaper> I predate you all. not op though
#2276 [17:06] <lukegb> I have more IPv6 addresses than Wolfram Alpha says there are grains of sand on the earth, and I know people with far more.
#2277 [17:06] <Morrolan> And yes, we know that you're an oldtimer in here. ;)
#2278 [17:06] <Cisna> root@2600... who's login with root into the IRC?^^
#2279 [17:06] <Morrolan> (Come to think of it, Iguana and [L] are probably dead by now)
#2280 [17:06] <Grim_Reaper> lol
#2281 [17:06] <Kealper> when my ISP rolls out IPv6 in my area, they give each house a /64 block
#2282 [17:06] <Morrolan> Cisna - Heh, maybe it's a spoofed ident.
#2283 [17:06] <GreyVulpine> [L] will occasionally pop in here with a question from the forums
#2284 [17:06] <Cisna> I use windows
#2285 [17:07] <GreyVulpine> Iguana.. who knows..
#2286 [17:07] <Cisna> Yeah But I have more IPv4 addresses than you ^^
#2287 [17:07] <Kealper> i haven't seen him talk in ages
#2288 [17:07] * GreyVulpine shrugs
#2288 [17:07] <GreyVulpine> !seen Iguana
#2289 [17:07] <GreyBot> I last saw Iguana (~Iguana@CPE185933469073-CM185933469070.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 15hrs 57mins 18secs ago, joining #.
#2290 [17:07] <Kanegasi> ---SEEN--- GreyVulpine, Iguana is still in #minecrafthelp.
#2291 [17:07] <Kanegasi> ---SEEN--- GreyVulpine, Iguana joined #minecrafthelp, 15hrs 57mins 17secs ago. (Sun Aug 05 01:10:29 2012)
#2292 [17:07] <Morrolan> Well, enough talking behind people's back, I'll go catch some sleep. :)
#2293 [17:07] <GreyVulpine> Oh god
#2294 [17:07] <GreyVulpine> Why
#2295 [17:08] <Kealper> kill it with fire
#2296 [17:08] * Kealper waves to Morrolan
#2296 [17:08] <Morrolan> Set a ban, and look who gets kicked as well.
#2297 [17:08] <Morrolan> Chances are that this'll be the owner. ^.^
#2298 [17:08] <Cisna> inetnum: 84.38.64.0 - 84.38.79.255 ^^
#2299 [17:08] <Kealper> Morrolan: lol
#2300 [17:08] <GreyVulpine> Night Morrolan.
#2301 [17:08] <Cisna> And more :D
#2302 [17:08] <Morrolan> :)
#2303 [17:08] <Cisna> Good Night
#2304 [17:08] <lukegb> Cisna: you are the worst kind of person :P
#2305 [17:08] <Kealper> Cisna: but you cheat lol, you've got a datacenter at your disposal :P
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#2307 [17:09] <lukegb> nah
#2308 [17:09] <Cisna> And please don't forgot: I hate you^^
#2309 [17:09] <lukegb> the worst kind of person is "owns netblock, doesn't actually bother assigning all IPv4s to someone" :P
#2310 [17:09] <GreyVulpine> !k Kanegasi
#2311 [17:09] <Cisna> A Datacenter need some addresses :D
#2312 [17:09] <GreyVulpine> Oh right
#2313 [17:09] <Kealper> lukegb: you'd absolutely hate the entire /8 block of v4 addresses assigned to amateur radio use then
#2314 [17:10] <lukegb> Kealper: nah, I only hate corporations. :3
#2315 [17:10] <GreyVulpine> !k Kanegasi
#2316 [17:10] <Cisna> xD
#2317 [17:10] * GreyVulpine pokes greybot
#2317 [17:10] <Cisna> Look at www.ispone-business.de
#2318 [17:10] <Cisna> My company witin the datacenter
#2319 [17:10] <Kealper> it just sits there not doing anything, because the old foagies who run that block won't give any ham radio operators any IPs
#2320 [17:10] * VoxelHead kicked Kanegasi from #minecrafthelp (Reason: anegasi :Banned)
#2321 [17:10] <Kealper> guess it was only taht bot
#2322 [17:10] <Kealper> that*
#2323 [17:11] <lukegb> Kealper: rofl: http://www.ampr.org/policy.html
#2324 [17:11] <Cisna> !check luna.cisna.de:1020
#2325 [17:11] <Kealper> lukegb: yeah, their setup is HORRIBLE as well...
#2326 [17:11] <Cisna> Fuck you CentOS
#2327 [17:11] * AuBot kicked Cisna from #minecrafthelp (Reason: isna :Please keep it civil.)
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#2329 [17:12] <Cisna> lol
#2330 [17:12] <GreyVulpine> !k gv
#2331 [17:12] * GreyBot kicked gv from #minecrafthelp (Reason: v :<Kicks:939>)
#2332 [17:12] <GreyVulpine> Ah, there we go
#2333 [17:12] <GreyVulpine> damn order of operations
#2334 [17:12] <Grim_Reaper> o.o
#2335 [17:12] <Cisna> !k Cisna
#2336 [17:12] * GreyBot kicked Cisna from #minecrafthelp (Reason: isna :<Kicks:940>)
#2337 [17:12] <Grim_Reaper> What did I miss
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#2339 [17:12] <GreyVulpine> Okay then
#2340 [17:12] <Cisna> lol?
#2341 [17:12] <GreyVulpine> Wrong order of operations..
#2342 [17:12] <Cisna> Anyone can kick?
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#2345 [17:13] <Kealper> it was originally intended to be used for TCP/IP networking over digital ham radio modes, but all traffic going to and from one of those IPs in that block has to be routed through like one single machine, which is still using like 1970s technology, and i don't even think it supports proper BGP
#2346 [17:13] <Cisna> Kaelper, where you from?
#2347 [17:14] <Kealper> uhh... northern-mid-west USA
#2348 [17:14] <Cisna> Cool
#2349 [17:14] <Grim_Reaper> !kick Grim_Reaper hugs
#2350 [17:14] * AuBot kicked Grim_Reaper from #minecrafthelp (Reason: rim_Reaper :You are the weakest link, goodbye! (Issued by Grim_Reaper with reason: hugs))
#2351 [17:14] <Kealper> the only place on earth that looks like a mitten :o
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#2353 [17:14] <lukegb> Kealper: apparently you can get allocated a block and peer it directly
#2354 [17:14] <Grim_Reaper> Yay i got hugs
#2355 [17:14] <Kealper> lukegb: for that AMPR block?
#2356 [17:14] <lukegb> Kealper: mm
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#2358 [17:15] <GreyVulpine> !k gv test
#2359 [17:15] <Kealper> because i've heard loads of complaints about how hard it is to actually get even a single IP out of them
#2360 [17:15] <Cisna> So, install Debian, Ubuntu, CentOS or Arch Linux on my server?
#2361 [17:15] <Grim_Reaper> Who is gv?
#2362 [17:15] <GreyVulpine> <--
#2363 [17:15] <Grim_Reaper> oh
#2364 [17:15] <lukegb> !k gv
#2365 [17:15] <lukegb> ):
#2366 [17:15] <GreyVulpine> Been logging on with my shiny new android cellphone.
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#2368 [17:16] <Kealper> Oooooh! what do you have?
#2369 [17:16] <GreyVulpine> Samsung galaxy S3
#2370 [17:17] <Cisna> Samsung is nice
#2371 [17:17] <Kealper> D:
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#2373 [17:17] <Kealper> the scary thing about the S3... is how fast that thing can take pictures at 8MP
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#2376 [17:18] <GreyVulpine> Heck yeah.
#2377 [17:18] <GreyVulpine> Thing is also huge. http://1.androidauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/iphone-vs-Samsung-galaxy-S31.jpg
#2378 [17:18] <Kealper> if you put it in to burst mode and hold down the picture button, it sounds like a machinegun from how fast it's taking pictures lol
#2379 [17:18] <Kealper> and yeah, the screen on it is absolutely massive, a friend of mine has one
#2380 [17:19] <Cisna> More accessible Display :)
#2381 [17:19] <Boreeas> Ah, S3. I'd love to have one, but it's just plain too big
#2382 [17:19] <Kealper> Boreeas: check out the Samsung Galaxy Note... if you thought the S3 was big, lawd...
#2383 [17:19] <GreyVulpine> dual core, 2 gigs of RAM.
#2384 [17:19] <Kealper> my new Android phone is much more modest lol
#2385 [17:19] <kiugetski> whatsthe channel to recruit new players
#2386 [17:19] <GreyVulpine> the quad core is unfortunately only available in the international version
#2387 [17:19] <GreyVulpine> #smp
#2388 [17:19] <lukegb> I'm a diehard Galaxy Nexus user :P
#2389 [17:20] <Cisna> I have Nokia :(
#2390 [17:20] * Kealper is only a 1ghz single core and 512mb of ram
#2390 [17:20] <Grim_Reaper> :o
#2391 [17:20] <GreyVulpine> Don't think this phone has the tegra chipset through
#2392 [17:20] <Cisna> !seen Crystalcobra
#2393 [17:20] <GreyBot> I found no results for your !Seen query.
#2394 [17:21] <GreyVulpine> HD games are still beautiful though
#2395 [17:21] <kiugetski> whatsthe channel to recruit new players
#2396 [17:21] <GreyVulpine> #smp
#2397 [17:21] <Cisna> WTF
#2398 [17:21] <Cisna> fast answer
#2399 [17:21] <kiugetski> thx
#2400 [17:21] <Kealper> interestingly enough, the Adreno GPUs in Snapdragon chipsets are from ATI (well, sort of)
#2401 [17:22] <GreyVulpine> I'm still looking for an office app so I can open excel spreadsheets on my phone.
#2402 [17:22] <GreyVulpine> Bonus if it can support VB scripting
#2403 [17:22] * Kealper hasn't needed one so hasn't looked
#2403 [17:22] <Boreeas> VB Q.Q
#2404 [17:23] <Kealper> but anyways... a game i've found that runs very well on even my phone is Pocket Legends... an actual MMORPG in every sense of the phrase lol...
#2405 [17:24] <lutzee> GreyVulpine, i have something called polaris office on my HTC
#2406 [17:24] <Kealper> quite a good time killer when mobile :o
#2407 [17:24] <GreyVulpine> I've got polaris installed by default on this thing. Doesn't support VB
#2408 [17:24] <lutzee> mkay
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#2410 [17:25] * Kealper twitches at facebook
#2410 [17:26] <Kealper> "hi ur brittanys aunt i was woundering how much it would be for a barney cake if u could do it just his head for a 2 yr old so not like huge"
#2411 [17:26] <Kealper> noticed that on a page i admin for...
#2412 [17:26] <exosyphen> I want to make an underground shipping system using powered rails and carts with chests. How can I get the tracks to switch so they go to the right place?
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#2415 [17:27] <Kealper> exosyphen: you can make t-junctions and such by giving power with redstone to corner tracks
#2416 [17:28] <exosyphen> Thanks!
#2417 [17:28] <exosyphen> Thanks!
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#2419 [17:28] <Blinky> hello
#2420 [17:28] <Kealper> 'ello
#2421 [17:29] <Blinky> who can i download the 1.2.5 version i wait for the bukkit 1.3.1 and i dont want to get wait for my users and so on i will run the server on 1.2.5
#2422 [17:29] <lutzee> Not possible
#2423 [17:29] <Boreeas> Blinky, see the topic
#2424 [17:29] <Boreeas> Downgrades are only possible with personal backups or tools like MCNostalgia
#2425 [17:29] <Blinky> what tpoc
#2426 [17:29] <Kealper> i believe the tool called MC Nostolgia should be able to help you by now, but we don't really provide assistance for that stuff
#2427 [17:29] <Cisna> Or Minecraft Version Changer
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#2429 [17:30] <lutzee> Cisna, we can't endors that here
#2430 [17:30] * Kealper deletes System32
#2430 [17:30] <Cisna> What?
#2431 [17:30] <Boreeas> lutzee: We never endorse anything :P
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#2433 [17:31] <Cisna> I need a dictionary for "endors" xD
#2434 [17:31] <lutzee> Boreeas, MVC downloads a file and changes the filetype to jar and thats it, no patching
#2435 [17:31] <GreyVulpine> !def endors
#2436 [17:31] <GreyBot> Word cannot be found.
#2437 [17:31] <Smanly> Herp
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#2439 [17:31] <lutzee> My spelling should not be questioned �.�
#2440 [17:32] <Cisna> Google say: endors is endors xD
#2441 [17:32] <Smanly> Its is!
#2442 [17:32] <Cisna> Endorse = Billigen (German)
#2443 [17:32] <lutzee> !def endorse
#2444 [17:32] <GreyBot> Word: endorse [en·dorse]
#2445 [17:32] <GreyBot> Verb (Transitive):  To write one's signature on the back of (a check, for example) as evidence of the legal transfer of its ownership, especially in return for the cash or credit indicated on its face.
#2446 [17:32] <Boreeas> Cisna: http://dict.leo.org/ende?lp=ende&lang=en&searchLoc=0&cmpType=relaxed§Hdr=on&spellToler=&search=endorse
#2447 [17:32] <GreyBot> Verb (Transitive):  To place (one's signature), as on a contract, to indicate approval of its contents or terms.
#2448 [17:33] <Cisna> Thanks!
#2449 [17:33] <Boreeas> leo.org is a great translation tool anyway
#2450 [17:33] <Blinky> pls help
#2451 [17:33] <Boreeas> Blinky: As we said, we can't help you
#2452 [17:33] <Blinky> why
#2453 [17:34] <Cisna> We can't
#2454 [17:34] <Cisna> ^^
#2455 [17:34] <Boreeas> Blinky: Try to take a look at MCNostalgia
#2456 [17:34] <Boreeas> Blinky: Because there is no legal way to aquire the 1.2.5 jar
#2457 [17:34] <Cisna> You mean this? http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/106402-tool-cyborgs-tools-mcnostalgia-104/
#2458 [17:35] <Boreeas> http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/800346-tool-mcnostalgia-212-now-works-with-131/ actually
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#2460 [17:36] <Cisna> Okay that is it, Blinky.
#2461 [17:36] <Cisna> Downloads it and have Fun!
#2462 [17:36] <Smanly> :D
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#2464 [17:37] <lutzee> there is ?? oldversion to get mcnostalgia
#2465 [17:37] <Smanly> ?? oldversion
#2466 [17:37] <Smanly> no
#2467 [17:37] <VoxelHead> oldversion: The only legal way to obtain old versions, other than having your own backups, is using the MCNostalgia tool which applies binary patches to the .jar. It can be found here: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/800346-tool-mcnostalgia-201/
#2468 [17:37] <Smanly> :D
#2469 [17:37] <Cisna> I have a Android Tablet with Android 1.5 ^^
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#2471 [17:39] <Cisna> !def Android
#2472 [17:39] <GreyBot> Word: Android [an·droid]
#2473 [17:39] <GreyBot> Adjective:  Possessing human features.
#2474 [17:39] <GreyBot> Noun:  An automaton that is created from biological materials and resembles a human.
#2475 [17:39] <Cisna> wtf
#2476 [17:39] <Smanly> Thanks?
#2477 [17:39] <Cisna> Thanks for what?
#2478 [17:39] <Smanly> ...
#2479 [17:39] <Cisna> The DEF war for me ...
#2480 [17:39] <Cisna> *was
#2481 [17:40] <Smanly> Oh.
#2482 [17:40] <Blinky> PLEASE HELP OR I ANGRY
#2483 [17:40] <Smanly> Dude, what
#2484 [17:40] <Cisna> An Angry Bird :D
#2485 [17:40] <Smanly> ??>> Blinky oldversion
#2486 [17:41] <Cisna> What?
#2487 [17:41] <Boreeas> Blinky: How often do you want us to give you the link
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#2489 [17:41] <Smanly> >Asks for help
#2490 [17:41] <Smanly> >ignores it
#2491 [17:41] <Cisna> Or he/she/it was away...
#2492 [17:41] <Boreeas> Everyday life in #minecrafthelp
#2493 [17:42] <Boreeas> Cisna: Not reacting immediately is okay. Ignoring what has been said is not.
#2494 [17:42] <Cisna> Blinky, my last message to you: Use this -> http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/800346-tool-mcnostalgia-212-now-works-with-131/
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#2496 [17:42] <Smanly> I voxeled him it.
#2497 [17:42] <Blinky> thank
#2498 [17:43] <Cisna> Can i be voiced? :D
#2499 [17:43] <Smanly> Wat.
#2500 [17:43] <Boreeas> Haha
#2501 [17:43] <Cisna> In IRC...
#2502 [17:43] <Smanly> Yeah...
#2503 [17:43] <Smanly> can i has op pls?
#2504 [17:43] <Smanly> i no notch
#2505 [17:43] <Cisna> rofl
#2506 [17:43] <Boreeas> I should definitely get founder access
#2507 [17:44] <Boreeas> Nothing could possibly go wrong here
#2508 [17:44] <Cisna> !def rofl
#2509 [17:44] <GreyBot> Word cannot be found.
#2510 [17:44] <BrieCrafts> I am really confused about Lan servers and all that. I just want to play with my brother. Can someone dumb it down for me? simple terms! Please and thank you!
#2511 [17:44] <Cisna> !def lol
#2512 [17:44] <GreyBot> Word cannot be found.
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#2514 [17:44] <Smanly> I dont think lan work very well, BrieCrafts.
#2515 [17:44] <Cisna> Allow Java in your Firewall and all is done.
#2516 [17:45] <Cisna> And connect your COmputers with WLAN or LAN.
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#2518 [17:45] <BrieCrafts> What is firewall? how do i acess it?
#2519 [17:45] <It> !k it
#2520 [17:45] <Boreeas> BrieCrafts: What operating system do you use?
#2521 [17:45] <It> hmmm
#2522 [17:45] <Cisna> WHat OS do you using?
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#2524 [17:46] <BrieCrafts> UM It is a windows? i have no idea what that means?
#2525 [17:46] <Boreeas> What version of windows?
#2526 [17:46] <Smanly> wug: water you doing?
#2527 [17:46] <BrieCrafts> The current? 7?
#2528 [17:46] <Boreeas> Alright
#2529 [17:46] <Cisna> Go to your Control Panel, then click Security, Firewall.
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#2531 [17:47] <gv> BrieCrafts: does your brother and yourself have two separate mine craft accounts?
#2532 [17:48] <BrieCrafts> No we share mine but on seperate computers, is that why it wont work]
#2533 [17:48] <Cisna> All IPv6 here? Why? All providers upgraded to IPv6 or what?
#2534 [17:48] <Boreeas> BrieCrafts: Sorry, we can't help with that
#2535 [17:48] <BrieCrafts> Ok thanks anyways!
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#2537 [17:49] <Cisna> IPv6 will be available next year in germany for Private persons.
#2538 [17:49] <Smanly> Cisna, i dont think most have gotten IPv6 yet. You can request it though.
#2539 [17:49] <gv> Too bad
#2540 [17:49] <Escherial> hey, i've been experiencing freezes every 5-10 minutes since beta (with or without optifine, so it's not the lag spike of death)...any ideas where i can start troubleshooting this?
#2541 [17:49] <Cisna> Yeah, our network must be upgraded to support IPv6 :(
#2542 [17:49] <Scott> You can also use a v6 tunnel fairly easily.
#2543 [17:49] <Escherial> otherwise, my framerate is awesome (60-100fps)
#2544 [17:50] <Scott> A lot of ISPs actually just offering tunnels.
#2545 [17:50] <Guest89686> GreyVulpine: <Cisna> !k Cisna * GreyBot has kicked Cisna from #minecrafthelp (<Kicks:940>)
#2546 [17:50] <Guest89686> I'm assuming this was an accident
#2547 [17:50] <gv> Yeah.
#2548 [17:50] <Guest89686> and presumably it has been fixed
#2549 [17:50] <Cisna> In Germany is the Tunnel forbidden ... at the most ISPs...
#2550 [17:50] <Guest89686> y u no use primary nick
#2551 [17:50] <gv> I'll fix greybot's kick script sometime
#2552 [17:51] <Scott> Cisna: lol? that's crazy.
#2553 [17:51] <Weh> !k gv
#2554 [17:51] <gv> Pfft
#2555 [17:51] <Wug> !k weh
#2556 [17:51] <Boreeas> !kk
#2557 [17:51] <gv> I disabled ir
#2558 [17:51] <Scott> !lick Wug
#2559 [17:51] <gv> It.
#2560 [17:51] <Cisna> Our Privacy Rule is shit...
#2561 [17:51] <Wug> k
#2562 [17:52] <Scott> Why didn't bot lick you. ;(
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#2564 [17:52] <Smanly> any one wanna helkp out, Escherial?
#2565 [17:52] <Cisna> One visit for an illegal website can be coninued with the abuse center of the ISP and you have a problem :D
#2566 [17:52] <Scott> We must create a new RFC containing a lick option.
#2567 [17:52] <gv> ...
#2568 [17:52] <Smanly> I mean, the man is at UCLA. You know he must be smart.
#2569 [17:53] <Wug> Cisna: ipv6 should be available anyway
#2570 [17:53] <Wug> idk why everyones stalling so much
#2571 [17:53] <Cisna> But not on all ISPs in Germany.
#2572 [17:53] <Escherial> Smanly: heh, i appreciate it :) i'm a grad student in computer science, so this all is a bit embarrassing, heh
#2573 [17:53] <Smanly> :D
#2574 [17:53] <Cisna> Only one ISP of 50 ISPs supports IPv6...
#2575 [17:53] <Wug> mollstam: are you alive
#2576 [17:53] <Smanly> What have you tried, Escherial?
#2577 [17:53] <Cisna> And this is Telekom...
#2578 [17:54] <lutzee> wug netsplit earlier
#2579 [17:54] <Wug> lutzee: hes in here
#2580 [17:54] <Escherial> Smanly: all sorts of things; optifine (smooth/multicore/etc.), changing the garbage collector, reducing/increasing minecraft's memory allocation, using different jvms (6 vs 7), formatting...
#2581 [17:55] <Smanly> Oh.
#2582 [17:55] <lutzee> wug i know, but the netsplit reset his status
#2583 [17:55] <gv> What video card?
#2584 [17:55] <Escherial> the only common denominator now seems to be the hardware itself :\
#2585 [17:55] <Escherial> the strange thing is that when it's running, it's fine; the game runs at a very acceptable framerate
#2586 [17:55] <Wug> Escherial: do you have 64 bit java
#2587 [17:55] <Escherial> Wug: 32-bit architecture
#2588 [17:56] <Smanly> Does it give you errors? Or just freeze?
#2589 [17:56] <gv> Oof
#2590 [17:56] <Wug> more than 2 cores?
#2591 [17:56] <Cisna> I have a Question: I have installed Java 6 and Java 7, both JRE, no JDK installed. My video card is nVidia GeForce 310. My Minecraft starts with Java 7, Java 6 does not work with Minecraft, i have no idea why. My FPS-rate is 10... Why? How can I fix it?
#2592 [17:56] <Escherial> yeah, it's an intel core 2, 2.0 Ghz
#2593 [17:56] <Wug> you might try running with the parallel GC option
#2594 [17:56] <Smanly> Mine freezes randomly all the time. :/
#2595 [17:56] <Wug> I dont know what it is off the top of my head
#2596 [17:56] <Wug> the people in #bukkit will
#2597 [17:56] <Escherial> Wug: no problem, i'll look it up and give that a try
#2598 [17:56] <gv> Cisna: this on a desktop or laptop?
#2599 [17:56] <Cisna> Desktop.
#2600 [17:57] <Wug> Escherial: also, try limiting the heap to 512MB
#2601 [17:57] <Wug> Cisna: how does 6 fail
#2602 [17:57] <Wug> does it just fail to start?
#2603 [17:57] <Boreeas> -XX:+UseParallelGC I think
#2604 [17:58] <Cisna> There's no error message. Minecraft starts automatically with Java 7. How can I start Minecraft with Java 6 manually to test it?
#2605 [17:58] <Escherial> Boreeas: thanks :)
#2606 [17:58] <lutzee> Cisna, make java6 the main java in control panel, (asuming windows)
#2607 [17:58] <Escherial> magiclauncher makes changing the jvm pretty simple too, for the record
#2608 [17:59] <Cisna> Deactivate Java 7 ?
#2609 [17:59] <Wug> or you can launch from a command prompt
#2610 [17:59] <Smanly> MagicLauncher makes everything easier.
#2611 [17:59] <Wug> use the absolute path of java 6
#2612 [17:59] <Cisna> Not needed, i can use java6 and java7 for the command line :)
#2613 [18:00] <Smanly> Escherial: Let me know what you figure out.
#2614 [18:00] <Cisna> Okay, I have deactivated Java 7.
#2615 [18:00] <Cisna> Now, test it :)
#2616 [18:00] <Wug> there isnt really a point in being able to launch with different versions of java
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#2618 [18:01] <Wug> not sure what youre trying to accomplish
#2619 [18:01] <Escherial> Wug: seems like that helped somewhat...memory allocation seems to be a lot more consistent (it's hovering around 30%, dropping to 15-20% more frequently than before)
#2620 [18:01] <Cisna> Minecraft using Java 7 :(
#2621 [18:01] <Escherial> we'll see if i get a hard freeze, though
#2622 [18:01] <Cisna> 1.7.0_05
#2623 [18:02] <Cisna> How can i start Minecraft with the Command line?
#2624 [18:02] <Smanly> You would use a Batch file
#2625 [18:02] <Cisna> I need the command
#2626 [18:02] <Smanly> Oh.
#2627 [18:03] <Wug> Cisna: c:\path\to\java6.exe -cp minecraft.exe net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
#2628 [18:03] <Wug> launch from folder containing minecraft.exe
#2629 [18:03] <Wug> (minecraft.exe is secretly a jar file)
#2630 [18:04] <Boreeas> Oh, that's handy
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#2632 [18:05] <Escherial> the parallel gc seems to have helped the hard freezes, but i hit another one of those spikes where my fps drops 1 to...going to see if it's correlated with an io spike using process explorer
#2633 [18:05] <Cisna> Minecraft won't start with Java 6
#2634 [18:05] <Escherial> *drops to 1, even :\
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#2636 [18:05] <Wug> Escherial: do you have a swapfile
#2637 [18:05] <Wug> and how much ram do you have
#2638 [18:05] <Wug> by swapfile I mean pagefile
#2639 [18:06] <Wug> Cisna: do you get an error
#2640 [18:06] <Escherial> Wug: i believe so, and 2GB of RAM
#2641 [18:06] <Escherial> i should really bump that soon
#2642 [18:06] <Cisna> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: net/minecraft/Launche rFrame Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: net.minecraft.LauncherFrame at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(Unknown Source) at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method) at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(Unknown Source) at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source) at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadC
#2643 [18:06] <Smanly> -_-
#2644 [18:06] <Smanly> And you wanted voice
#2645 [18:07] <Escherial> Wug: pagefile's 2046mb
#2646 [18:07] <Escherial> i'm using windows as well, for the record
#2647 [18:07] <Wug> Escherial: try disabling paging
#2648 [18:07] <lutzee> Cisna, pastebin
#2649 [18:07] <Cisna> Sorry, I forgot is
#2650 [18:07] <Wug> your page file is obnoxiously huge
#2651 [18:07] <Escherial> Wug: indeed, pretty sure it auto-sized itself to that during some particularly intense session
#2652 [18:07] <Cisna> http://pastebin.com/dJ7wM0vx
#2653 [18:08] <Wug> Cisna: run from same directory as minecraft.exe
#2654 [18:08] <Wug> Escherial: get it to shrink somehow
#2655 [18:08] <Escherial> Wug: paging file disabled, restarting now
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#2657 [18:08] <Cisna> C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin>java.exe -cp \Users\User\Desktop\MinecraftSP.exe net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
#2658 [18:08] <Cisna> That I used
#2659 [18:08] <Wug> if minecraft is being swapped to disk and GC'd, that will cause horrible performance
#2660 [18:08] <Escherial> thanks for the support thus far, by the way :) i feel like i'm finally getting close to fixing this
#2661 [18:08] <Wug> Cisna: run from same directory as minecraft.exe
#2662 [18:08] <Boreeas> Cisna: MinecraftSP?
#2663 [18:08] <Boreeas> Shame on you
#2664 [18:08] <Escherial> Wug: indeed, especially with my 5400rpm drive :|
#2665 [18:08] <Cisna> The file name is MinecraftSP.exe
#2666 [18:08] <Escherial> actually, might have to check that...
#2667 [18:08] <Cisna> I don't know why
#2668 [18:09] <Wug> Cisna: well I know why
#2669 [18:09] <Wug> whats your minecraft account name
#2670 [18:09] <Boreeas> MinecraftSP is a tool for playing cracked minecraft ;)
#2671 [18:09] <Cisna> When I start it with double-click the Login screen will open
#2672 [18:09] <Escherial> i was thinking about getting an SSD in the hopes of it improving my mc performance
#2673 [18:09] <Escherial> that and more RAM would be nice
#2674 [18:09] <Smanly> And a better computer.
#2675 [18:10] <Wug> Escherial: if youre going to go for upgrades you should probably get a 64 bit computer too
#2676 [18:10] <Wug> since your performance improvements will be limited by 32bit-ness
#2677 [18:10] <Escherial> i don't really have the money to invest in something decent right now :\ perhaps i should just wait on the upgrades, then
#2678 [18:12] <Blinky> cisna has original minecraft but the file name is overwritten on his backup too shes my friend
#2679 [18:13] <Cisna> I donÄt know you? Who are you?
#2680 [18:13] <Smanly> Lol?
#2681 [18:13] <Cisna> epic lol?
#2682 [18:13] <Blinky> you know mi
#2683 [18:13] <Cisna> No?
#2684 [18:13] <Lukario45> grfn
#2685 [18:13] <Lukario45> Oops Sorry
#2686 [18:14] <Blinky> my name beginns mit m and end mit e
#2687 [18:14] <Cisna> ?
#2688 [18:14] <Wug> Blinky: dont use abbreviated speak
#2689 [18:14] <lutzee> me?
#2690 [18:14] <Cisna> lol
#2691 [18:14] <Lukario45> mitmmite
#2692 [18:14] <Wug> Cisna: whats your account name
#2693 [18:14] <Cisna> camperqueen
#2694 [18:14] <Wug> !paid camperqueen
#2695 [18:14] <Lukario45> !paid mitmmite
#2696 [18:14] <Wug> well whatever
#2697 [18:15] <Cisna> !paid Loneley
#2698 [18:15] <Wug> Cisna: run that command from same directory as minecraft.exe
#2699 [18:15] <Lukario45> !Paid Aubot
#2700 [18:15] <Lukario45> xD
#2701 [18:15] <Smanly> lool
#2702 [18:15] <Cisna> Yes wait
#2703 [18:15] <Wug> use the absolute path of java and the relative path of minecraft.exe
#2704 [18:16] <Cisna> Java detects an error in the installation. The application will now shutdown!
#2705 [18:16] <Cisna> xD
#2706 [18:17] <Cisna> Oh I failed
#2707 [18:17] <Cisna> I have moved the java.dll out of the folder
#2708 [18:17] <Blinky> !paid MinecraftSucks
#2709 [18:18] <Wug> dont do things like that
#2710 [18:18] <Blinky> !paid Mojang
#2711 [18:18] <Wug> leave java installed as it installed itself
#2712 [18:18] <Cisna> It is installed.
#2713 [18:18] <Wug> yeah, I mean dont go moving files around that it needs
#2714 [18:18] <Blinky> !paid Suchtii0000
#2715 [18:18] <Boreeas> Blinky: If you want to play around with the bot, please go to #aubotdevchan
#2716 [18:20] <Cisna> Okay
#2717 [18:20] <Cisna> Now it works
#2718 [18:21] <Cisna> Thanks
#2719 [18:21] <Cisna> Java was corrupted
#2720 [18:21] <Cisna> Now I going sleeping
#2721 [18:21] <Cisna> Good Night all
#2722 [18:21] <Cisna> See you later
#2723 [18:22] <Escherial> ok, just left myself sitting in a corner in a cave starting at a wall, and the size of java's allocation has risen steadily to 893mb (even though the game still reports 488mb as the allocated amount), while the framerate has dropped to ~10fps
#2724 [18:23] <Smanly> How much of you CPU does MC use?
#2725 [18:23] <Escherial> er, the private bytes are 893mb, the working set is 630mb
#2726 [18:23] <Escherial> approximately 50%
#2727 [18:23] <Smanly> Hmm.
#2728 [18:24] <Escherial> io is surprisingly constant
#2729 [18:24] <Escherial> (using process explorer to monitor this, if any of you are familiar with it)
#2730 [18:24] <Smanly> Is this a default program?
#2731 [18:24] <Escherial> and cool, seems like the framerate has risen back to 50fps on its own
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#2733 [18:24] <Escherial> no, it's a semi-microsoft-endorsed replacement for the standard taskamanger
#2734 [18:24] <Escherial> *taskmanager, even, ugh
#2735 [18:24] <Smanly> I see.
#2736 [18:25] <Hamr54> my screen goes black
#2737 [18:25] <Smanly> But before you io wasn't constant, right?
#2738 [18:25] <Hamr54> yes
#2739 [18:25] <Escherial> Hamr54: the most common cause of that is attempting to install a mod without removing the META-INF file from minecraft.jar
#2740 [18:25] <Escherial> Smanly: not sure, heh; i hadn't thought to measure it until today
#2741 [18:25] <Smanly> Oh, lol.
#2742 [18:26] <Hamr54> i havent install anything
#2743 [18:26] <Escherial> Hamr54: ah, when did it start happening, then?
#2744 [18:26] <Smanly> I have a 2.3ghz dualcore 4g ram crap top and mine freeze and does what yours does.
#2745 [18:26] <Escherial> and does it happen immediately upon starting the program or at some other time?
#2746 [18:27] <Smanly> I just fugured it was just how it was.
#2747 [18:27] <Hamr54> the day after a bought it
#2748 [18:27] <Escherial> Smanly: huh, glad to know i'm not alone...
#2749 [18:27] <Smanly> After a bit of playing I would have close all of my programs and just open MC.
#2750 [18:28] <Hamr54> the pc delete the game every time i turn it off
#2751 [18:28] <Smanly> I noticed giving it less ram (256mb) helped the freezing. But it would still get extremely laggy after playing for a few mins.
#2752 [18:30] <Smanly> Escherial: the "-XX:+UseParNewGC" help you though, right?
#2753 [18:30] <Escherial> Smanly: well, it hasn't hard frozen yet, so that's a good sign :)
#2754 [18:31] <Smanly> Escherial: How much Memory did you give in ML?
#2755 [18:31] <Escherial> 512mb
#2756 [18:31] <Smanly> Ok... I can just put the "-XX:+UseParNewGC" In the Params section, right?
#2757 [18:32] <Smanly> Escherial: Oh, and which ver of MC + Java are you running?
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#2760 [18:34] <Hamr54> my screen goes black when i start the game
#2761 [18:34] <Escherial> mc 1.3.1, java 7, 1.7.0_05
#2762 [18:34] <Hamr54> yes
#2763 [18:34] <Smanly> I was using 7 and wnet back to 6 but I didnt notice a diff.
#2764 [18:35] <Smanly> Escherial: Have you tried 6? Some say its better, but idk.
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#2766 [18:37] <Hamr54> when i turn the pc off it delete the game
#2767 [18:37] <Escherial> heh, i don't know, this all seems awfully haphazard to me
#2768 [18:38] <Smanly> Well, after disabling page filing, my FPS seems to spike down a lot. :/
#2769 [18:38] <Escherial> as a computer scientist, it pains me a little to hear people say things like '64 bit is better than 32 bit' and 'multithreaded is better than singlethreaded'
#2770 [18:38] <Escherial> Smanly: hmm
#2771 [18:38] <Smanly> Lol. It all depends.
#2772 [18:39] <Escherial> indeed, but i'm willing to admit that things are complicated enough to where heuristics like that could be useful
#2773 [18:39] <Smanly> But MC is so inconsistent that idk if that affected anything.
#2774 [18:39] <Escherial> heh :\ frustrating
#2775 [18:39] <Escherial> well, i have to go, but thanks for the advice
#2776 [18:39] <Escherial> hopefully we'll figure out our mutual problem soon
#2777 [18:39] <Smanly> Thank you too!
#2778 [18:40] <Escherial> :)
#2779 [18:40] <Smanly> Come back if you figure something out.
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#2782 [18:41] <carminejr> when i try to play minecraft i get a message saying could not create java virtual machine error and that it is fatal and the program must close how can i fix this?
#2783 [18:41] <Smanly> How much RAM do you have?
#2784 [18:42] <carminejr> 3.21 GB
#2785 [18:42] <Smanly> How much ram are you using other before starting MC?
#2786 [18:42] <lutzee> 32bit PC then
#2787 [18:42] <carminejr> i dont know
#2788 [18:43] <Smanly> Does dxdiag show current ram usage?
#2789 [18:43] <Smanly> ??> carminejr win/dxdaig
#2790 [18:43] <Smanly> ?? index
#2791 [18:43] <VoxelHead> index: See http://mcfaq.hfbgaming.com/ for a list of FAQ entries.
#2792 [18:43] <lutzee> Smanly, you misspelt
#2793 [18:43] <carminejr> yes i am using 1057 mb
#2794 [18:44] <lutzee> ??> carminejr win/dxdiag
#2795 [18:44] <VoxelHead> carminejr: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#2796 [18:44] <VoxelHead> carminejr: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#2797 [18:44] <Smanly> every time, lutzee, every time.
#2798 [18:44] <carminejr> what do you mean?
#2799 [18:45] <lutzee> carminejr, follow VoxelHead's instructions
#2800 [18:46] <carminejr> ok im doing it
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#2802 [18:48] <carminejr> what is the IRC channel?
#2803 [18:48] <carminejr> im not good with computers
#2804 [18:49] <lutzee> this is the IRC channel carminejr
#2805 [18:49] <carminejr> oh
#2806 [18:49] <carminejr> http://pastebin.com/m8DHhG7U
#2807 [18:51] <Smanly> I dont see any problems.
#2808 [18:52] <Smanly> carminejr: Pastbin the entire error the you are getting.
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#2810 [18:53] <carminejr> i dont know how it just says Error:could not create te java virtual machine Error: A fatal exception has occured. program will exit
#2811 [18:54] <Smanly> Where does it say that?
#2812 [18:54] <carminejr> when i try runnning the minecraft.exe
#2813 [18:55] <Smanly> Has it ever worked?
#2814 [18:55] <carminejr> yes it has
#2815 [18:55] <Smanly> When?
#2816 [18:55] <Smanly> and What changed since?
#2817 [18:55] <carminejr> about 2 months ago i have been looking for help and nothing has changed
#2818 [18:56] <Smanly> it just stopped working one day and you didnt do anything before that?
#2819 [18:56] <carminejr> no
#2820 [18:57] <carminejr> i didnt do anything before that
#2821 [18:57] <Smanly> Ok.
#2822 [18:57] <Smanly> Press Ctrl+Shift+Esc
#2823 [18:57] <Smanly> Then click the preformance tab.
#2824 [18:57] <carminejr> ok now what
#2825 [18:57] <Smanly> What is the amount of memory being used?
#2826 [18:58] <carminejr> where does it say that?
#2827 [18:58] <carminejr> it says 15%
#2828 [18:58] <Smanly> below that
#2829 [18:59] <carminejr> 1.08 GB
#2830 [18:59] <Smanly> Hmm...
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#2832 [18:59] <Smanly> So, it must not be a memory issue.
#2833 [19:00] <carminejr> any other ideas?
#2834 [19:00] <Smanly> Have you updated Java?
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#2836 [19:01] <carminejr> yea i have Version 7 Update 5
#2837 [19:02] <Smanly> Have you tried re-installing MC?
#2838 [19:02] <carminejr> yes
#2839 [19:02] <Wug> carminejr: have you thought to reinstall java
#2840 [19:02] <Smanly> You deleted your .minecraft?
#2841 [19:03] <carminejr> yes
#2842 [19:03] <carminejr> and i have re-installed java
#2843 [19:03] <Smanly> Wat do, Wug?
#2844 [19:04] <Wug> launch with less ram
#2845 [19:05] <carminejr> how?
#2846 [19:05] <Smanly> Well, the machine has 3 gb and its using 1. But I guess we can try.
#2847 [19:06] <Smanly> ??> carminejr win/client/moreram
#2848 [19:06] <Wug> GreyVulpine: doop?
#2849 [19:06] <VoxelHead> carminejr: (win/client/moreram) If you need to launch minecraft with more ram than the defaults, download this script to the location of minecraft.exe and run it. Java must be in your path for this to work.
#2850 [19:06] <VoxelHead> carminejr: (win/client/moreram) Windows Launch Script: http://mcfaq.hfbgaming.com/tools/MoreRAMMCLauncher.bat
#2851 [19:06] <Wug> carminejr: follow those instructions
#2852 [19:06] <Smanly> Only you will need to change it.
#2853 [19:06] <Wug> except chance one thing before you run it
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#2855 [19:07] <carminejr> what do i need to change
#2856 [19:07] <Wug> change the part that says -Xmx1500M to -Xmx500m
#2857 [19:07] <Wug> (get rid of the 1)
#2858 [19:08] <carminejr> ok
#2859 [19:08] <abidingdude> anybody havibg gameplay problems using win 7 home 64-
#2860 [19:08] <Smanly> Now run it.
#2861 [19:08] <carminejr> it worked but im getting low fps
#2862 [19:09] <Smanly> How low?
#2863 [19:09] <Smanly> How low?
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#2865 [19:09] <carminejr> 5-15 and a notepad document comes up on my desktop titled errorlog when i run it
#2866 [19:10] <Smanly> Ok, what other programs do you have running?
#2867 [19:10] <carminejr> Internet Explorer
#2868 [19:10] <Smanly> Thats it?
#2869 [19:10] <carminejr> yea
#2870 [19:11] <Smanly> Do you have skype or anything in the task bar?
#2871 [19:11] <carminejr> no
#2872 [19:11] <Wug> grab teamviewer
#2873 [19:11] <Smanly> Lol, thats what I was thinking before.
#2874 [19:11] <Wug> I'll take a look at it
#2875 [19:12] <Smanly> Also, this isnt the cause of your problems, carminejr but.
#2876 [19:12] <Smanly> ?? win/ie
#2877 [19:13] <VoxelHead> win/ie: Internet Exploder^WExploiter^WExplorer is a terrible browser with terrible issues. Many common problems are solved by using a better browser.
#2878 [19:13] <VoxelHead> win/ie: Firefox: http://www.mozilla.org/firefox/ Google Chrome: http://www.google.com/chrome
#2879 [19:13] <carminejr> ill use chrome
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#2881 [19:14] <Wug> * Gravy
#2882 [19:15] <carminejr> any solutins to my low FPS?
#2883 [19:15] * Wug dodges impending bap
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#2884 [19:15] <Wug> G: that nick is registered I think
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#2886 [19:15] <Wug> why are there like 4 of you
#2887 [19:16] <Smanly> carminejr: Wug wanted to see it himself. Get teamviewer.
#2888 [19:16] <carminejr> what is that?
#2889 [19:17] <Smanly> ??>> carminejr Teamviewer
#2890 [19:17] <carminejr> ok
#2891 [19:18] <carminejr> i have it
#2892 [19:18] <Smanly> Wug
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#2894 [19:21] <Joseph1066> how do I contact Mojang?
#2895 [19:21] <Joseph1066> I went to the site and couldn't find the link.
#2896 [19:22] <Wug> ... why
#2897 [19:22] <Wug> has anyone noticed that the launcher prints "asdf" if you run it from a command line
#2898 [19:23] <Joseph1066> no...?
#2899 [19:23] <Joseph1066> see ya!
#2900 [19:23] <Smanly> wat
#2901 [19:23] <Smanly> k
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#2903 [19:25] <Jacob> hey im trying to purchase the game and moneybookers sent me an email asking for a valid us identification photo copy/ license is there any other way to purchase the game?
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#2905 [19:27] <Smanly> What was your method of payment?
#2906 [19:27] <Wug> credit card
#2907 [19:27] <Jacob> debit mastercard
#2908 [19:27] <Wug> moneybookers handles credit card transactions
#2909 [19:28] <Wug> try to contact their support
#2910 [19:28] <Wug> ive never heard of them doing that before
#2911 [19:29] <Jacob> i waited for an hour on there support line and noone ever answered
#2912 [19:31] <Jacob> ??
#2913 [19:31] <GreyVulpine> Try using paypal?
#2914 [19:31] <Jacob> i did they still askd for identification
#2915 [19:32] <GreyVulpine> The payment methods listed on minecraft.net's purchase page are the only ways to pay for minecraft
#2916 [19:32] <GreyVulpine> If you aren't able to use them, you'll need to contact either paypal or moneybooker's support.
#2917 [19:33] <Jacob> okay ill try again
#2918 [19:33] <Jacob> thanks for the help though
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#2921 [19:49] <SkrandyGaming> hello
#2922 [19:50] <SkrandyGaming> can anyone give me the code for increaseing a minecraft server's ram to 2GB with an .exe minecraft server?
#2923 [19:51] <kiugetski> O_O
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#2925 [19:52] <leon> I have trouble with mine craft 1.3.0 And I need help to fix a problem that occured
#2926 [19:52] <SkrandyGaming> what is happening leon
#2927 [19:52] <kiugetski> there is no 1.3.0
#2928 [19:52] <kiugetski> its 1.3.1
#2929 [19:53] <SkrandyGaming> yeah
#2930 [19:53] <SkrandyGaming> your point?
#2931 [19:53] <SkrandyGaming> nvm
#2932 [19:53] <SkrandyGaming> i cant read
#2933 [19:53] <SkrandyGaming> :S
#2934 [19:53] <leon> Ok so for a reason i am not using any texture packs but the emerald ore and emerald block texture doesn't appear it appears in purple like if i was using an outdated texture pack
#2935 [19:53] <kiugetski> lolll
#2936 [19:53] <kiugetski> oh
#2937 [19:53] <kiugetski> mod loaded
#2938 [19:53] <SkrandyGaming> try getting a new .minecraft?
#2939 [19:53] <kiugetski> delite all
#2940 [19:53] <kiugetski> and redownload
#2941 [19:54] <leon> I already tried that
#2942 [19:54] <kiugetski> mod loader is doing hd
#2943 [19:54] <leon> And how can i get rid of modloader
#2944 [19:54] <kiugetski> relite the minecraft.jar
#2945 [19:54] <leon> relite?
#2946 [19:54] <kiugetski> and download from minecraft.net
#2947 [19:54] <SkrandyGaming> kiugetski, do you know much about servers?
#2948 [19:54] <kiugetski> delite
#2949 [19:54] <leon> ok
#2950 [19:55] <kiugetski> well im a guy thats searchinbg anything i cant understand
#2951 [19:55] <kiugetski> :P
#2952 [19:55] <kiugetski> today ive made my home server :P
#2953 [19:56] <kiugetski> for minecraft but had some problem cuz of rooter
#2954 [19:56] <SkrandyGaming> well, i need the java code i need to enter to increase the ram allocated to my server :S
#2955 [19:56] <kiugetski> hummm
#2956 [19:56] <SkrandyGaming> i had it working and all, but i had it on 3gigs and it's too much for a 10gb computer apperently.
#2957 [19:56] <kiugetski> i dont think its a good idea for high ram with java
#2958 [19:56] <SkrandyGaming> and my webpages were londing
#2959 [19:57] <SkrandyGaming> it's fine ive done it
#2960 [19:57] <kiugetski> but its possible
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#2962 [19:57] <SkrandyGaming> it's just i dont need a lot of ram
#2963 [19:57] <SkrandyGaming> java -Xms1G -Xmx 2G -jar minecraft_server.exe it's somthing like that.
#2964 [19:57] <leon> It didn't work
#2965 [19:57] <SkrandyGaming> but i think thats wrong
#2966 [19:58] <kiugetski> http://www.auditmypc.com/java-memory-xmx512.asp might help you
#2967 [19:58] <SkrandyGaming> someone on this irc was helping me a few days ago..but he isnt on :S
#2968 [19:58] <SkrandyGaming> he knew like, everything
#2969 [19:59] <xales> SkrandyGaming: What are you trying to do now?
#2970 [19:59] <kiugetski> yeah some people are insane in their domain :P
#2971 [19:59] <kiugetski> but in the link
#2972 [19:59] <SkrandyGaming> O_O
#2973 [19:59] <kiugetski> there is a video
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#2975 [19:59] <kiugetski> showing step by step
#2976 [19:59] <SkrandyGaming> uhm. i need my minecraft server to rub with 2gb ram, and i forgot the code to put in cmd
#2977 [20:00] <SkrandyGaming> i have a .exe
#2978 [20:00] <kiugetski> just look the video
#2979 [20:00] <kiugetski> it show it lol
#2980 [20:00] <xales> SkrandyGaming: If you want to use different memory parameters, you should use the .jar
#2981 [20:00] <SkrandyGaming> it worked before
#2982 [20:00] <kiugetski> its a simple trick
#2983 [20:00] <xales> You *can* use the .exe, but you /shouldn't/.
#2984 [20:01] <kiugetski> -xmx2000m
#2985 [20:01] <kiugetski> its the cmd
#2986 [20:03] <xales> kiugetski: It's case-sensitive.
#2987 [20:03] <xales> It should also be a multiple of the page size
#2988 [20:03] <kiugetski> Xmx XD
#2989 [20:03] <xales> i.e., 2048M
#2990 [20:04] <kiugetski> well im sure he ve understodd
#2991 [20:04] <kiugetski> :P
#2992 [20:04] <Wug> xales: java doesnt care
#2993 [20:04] <Wug> it will pick whichever one is closest
#2994 [20:04] <xales> Wug: the OS does
#2995 [20:04] <xales> :p
#2996 [20:04] <kiugetski> lol
#2997 [20:04] <Wug> and I'm pretty sure any number of megs is a multiple of the page size
#2998 [20:04] <Wug> pages tend to be 4k
#2999 [20:04] <leon> Is there a way i can get rid of modloader
#3000 [20:05] <xales> Wug: does Java not use HugeTLB? :(
#3001 [20:05] <Wug> leon: force update
#3002 [20:05] <xales> leon: Yes, stop using mods
#3003 [20:05] <kiugetski> lollll
#3004 [20:05] <leon> Im not
#3005 [20:05] <xales> ??> leon forceupdate
#3006 [20:05] <VoxelHead> leon: (forceupdate) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#3007 [20:05] <VoxelHead> leon: (forceupdate) To do so, start Minecraft, press 'Options' (above the 'Login' button), Press 'Force update!', then press 'Done', and login to Minecraft.
#3008 [20:05] <leon> I still force update
#3009 [20:05] <Wug> then its not there.
#3010 [20:05] <xales> ^
#3011 [20:05] <kiugetski> leon
#3012 [20:05] <leon> I do that but it still doesn't work
#3013 [20:05] <leon> YES
#3014 [20:05] <leon> Ye
#3015 [20:06] <kiugetski> you have teamviewer
#3016 [20:06] <kiugetski> ?
#3017 [20:06] <xales> leon: If you do that, then it is not possible that Modloader is still there
#3018 [20:07] <leon> Well then idk why my emerald block and ore texture are not working
#3019 [20:07] <kiugetski> well i can repair if you have teamviewer
#3020 [20:07] <leon> How
#3021 [20:07] <leon> Im not letting you hack anything
#3022 [20:07] <kiugetski> hack ?
#3023 [20:07] <leon> How will you repair ?
#3024 [20:08] <kiugetski> teamviewer is a tool used by many tech to remote assistance
#3025 [20:08] <kiugetski> its not a hack
#3026 [20:08] <leon> Ik what it is but how will you repair my mc once you'll be in my computer
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#3028 [20:09] <kiugetski> simply by seeing whats going on then ill fix whats wrong
#3029 [20:09] <|Kiichan|> leon: teamviewer is a tool that allows a person the share your screen with you and to share control of the mouse. you always have the ability to disconnect them and you see everythgin they are doing
#3030 [20:10] <leon> Whats going on is that some how my emerald block and ore texture appear in purple
#3031 [20:10] <leon> Ik how to use it
#3032 [20:10] <kiugetski> you want to repair or no
#3033 [20:10] <leon> But I'm on mac
#3034 [20:10] <|Kiichan|> leon: disable your texture packs
#3035 [20:10] <xales> leon: Are you using a texture pack?
#3036 [20:10] <leon> No
#3037 [20:10] <xales> ??> leon mac/reinst
#3038 [20:10] <VoxelHead> leon: (mac/reinst) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#3039 [20:10] <VoxelHead> leon: (mac/reinst) To do so, in the Finder, from the Go menu, select Home. Then open Library, Application Support, and then minecraft. Drag the bin and resources folders to the trash, then try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
#3040 [20:11] <leon> ok ill try that
#3041 [20:11] <leon> thanks
#3042 [20:11] <kiugetski> !check qcmc.zapto.org
#3043 [20:12] <kiugetski> !check qcmc.zapto.org
#3044 [20:12] <kiugetski> 86ms :)
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#3047 [20:12] <leon> Still does not fix it :(
#3048 [20:13] <leon> It retrieves the files but doesn't fix it
#3049 [20:13] <xales> leon: What version of OS X are you running?
#3050 [20:13] <leon> Lionm
#3051 [20:13] <leon> lion
#3052 [20:15] <xales> leon: It sounds like you are SOL then. What model/year is the computer itself?
#3053 [20:16] <leon> its an iMac that i got 3 years ago it a decent one
#3054 [20:17] <xales> And you followed VoxelHead's instructions exactly, removing *every folder* except "saves"?
#3055 [20:17] <leon> Well when i get a texture pack the emerald ore and blocks appears fine i just enjoy the original look of mine craft much better
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#3057 [20:18] <leon> Yes i removed everything and redownloaded everything
#3058 [20:18] <xales> When you say "redownloaded" do you mean manually, or letting the game do it?
#3059 [20:19] <leon> deleted and went on mine craft.net to download it but it retrieves the files
#3060 [20:19] <xales> Well, in that case, you appear to be SOL. Either deal with the missing textures, or use a texture pack.
#3061 [20:20] <leon> SOL?
#3062 [20:20] <xales> Google it.
#3063 [20:20] <xales> Google it.
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#3065 [20:20] <leon> Shit out of luck?
#3066 [20:21] <xales> Pretty much.
#3067 [20:21] <leon> ok well ill go talk to notch :P
#3068 [20:21] <xales> Yeah, good luck with that. Especially considering he no longer works on Minecraft.
#3069 [20:21] <leon> I hope there was mojang technical help channel
#3070 [20:21] <kiugetski> good luck with notch
#3071 [20:22] <xales> There's not. This is all there is.
#3072 [20:22] <Wug> kiugetski: set that to something reasonable
#3073 [20:22] <leon> Yhea ik
#3074 [20:22] <Wug> there is no chance in heck your server can support 2000 users
#3075 [20:22] <xales> Wug: o rly
#3076 [20:22] <Wug> I don't know any that aren't laggy past about 150
#3077 [20:23] <kiugetski> well ive never seen a machine as strong as m ine either
#3078 [20:23] <kiugetski> XD
#3079 [20:23] <superkabii> a spambot would love that many slots.
#3080 [20:23] <kiugetski> including on dedicated machine
#3081 [20:23] <xales> kiugetski: It's simply not possible to have anything near that given current technology.
#3082 [20:24] <xales> Unless you know how to break the laws of thermodynamics.
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#3084 [20:25] <Wug> kiugetski: unless your processor is running at 500GHz, there is no way you can get that much single threaded performance
#3085 [20:25] <kiugetski> well time for diablo 3 since i find no one to play with me
#3086 [20:25] <kiugetski> lol
#3087 [20:25] <kiugetski> my cpu
#3088 [20:25] <kiugetski> its a 12 core
#3089 [20:25] <Wug> its probably a 1100T
#3090 [20:25] <kiugetski> i7 6 core on ht running as 12
#3091 [20:25] <xales> Yeah, that's not even a lot.
#3092 [20:25] <xales> kiugetski: That's not 12 cores, then.
#3093 [20:26] <Wug> ok, ill assume its third gen
#3094 [20:26] <xales> That's not even a lot :p
#3095 [20:26] <Wug> its probably a 3930k
#3096 [20:26] <Wug> minecraft server is single threaded
#3097 [20:26] <Wug> youll use like 8% of your cpu
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#3099 [20:26] <kiugetski> the one before the ultimate version extrem
#3100 [20:26] <Wug> the 3930k?
#3101 [20:26] <kiugetski> using a water cooler dual fan
#3102 [20:27] <kiugetski> min
#3103 [20:27] <kiugetski> yup
#3104 [20:27] <kiugetski> 3930
#3105 [20:27] <Wug> that might be able to run 200 people.
#3106 [20:27] <Wug> maybe.
#3107 [20:27] <kiugetski> but its the 12 mo cach
#3108 [20:27] <kiugetski> not the 15mo
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#3110 [20:28] <Wug> if you have like a 400mbit pipe.
#3111 [20:28] <hi> when will i get the activation email
#3112 [20:28] <Wug> the player limit is there to cut off players from joining at the point where the server will begin to be affected negatively by the load
#3113 [20:28] <Wug> the only thing setting it higher does is make it less fun
#3114 [20:29] <Wug> hi: you should get it within minutes
#3115 [20:29] <kiugetski> !check qcmc.zapto.org
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#3117 [20:29] <Wug> if you didn't, check your spam folder
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#3119 [20:29] <Wug> and make sure you didnt make a typo when entering the address
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#3121 [20:30] <Moxxi> I'm having an issue with minecraft lan.
#3122 [20:31] <Moxxi> for some reason my other computer can't see the lan world that I am hosting.
#3123 [20:31] <xales> Firewall? Are they on the same subnet?
#3124 [20:31] <Moxxi> yes same subnet
#3125 [20:31] <Moxxi> firewall has exceptions for it.
#3126 [20:31] <xales> Try disabling the firewall entirely.
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#3129 [20:32] <Wug> do you have more than one firewall by any chance
#3130 [20:32] <Moxxi> no, just windows firewall and of copurse the hardware firewall that my router came with.
#3131 [20:34] <Moxxi> Also would using hamachi work if I'm trying to play a lan with someone inn the UK?
#3132 [20:34] <lut> No it will not
#3133 [20:34] <Moxxi> is there a way to do it without actually hosting a server?
#3134 [20:34] <Moxxi> I'm trying to stay way from craftbukkit
#3135 [20:35] <xales> You don't need to use Bukkit to just run a sever.
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#3137 [20:35] <xales> If you want to play with someone else, find a server to play on with them, or run one.
#3138 [20:35] <xales> Preferably the former.
#3139 [20:35] <Moxxi> yes, running one would require cratbukkit or actually buying a server slot.
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#3141 [20:36] <leon> Ok i found a way to fix it
#3142 [20:36] <xales> Moxxi: Uh, no it wouldn't.
#3143 [20:36] <xales> Moxxi: You can just download the official server from minecraft.net and run it.
#3144 [20:37] <leon> Yep
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#3146 [20:37] <Moxxi> I guess I can try that, would setup be painful or is it relatively straight forwar. I've only used craftbukkit for a server hosting.
#3147 [20:38] <xales> Moxxi: It's as simple as launching the server. You literally don't have to configure anything, unless you want to change the defaults.
#3148 [20:38] <xales> If you want someone outside the LAN to be able to connect, you need to setup port forwarding, but that's also quite straightforward most of the itme.
#3149 [20:38] <xales> time*
#3150 [20:39] <AbidingBrotha> Ok question time: I am running Win7 Home 64-Bit and regardless of what browser I use, whenever I click to add or remove a block, it brings up the pause menu. Any idea why and any idea how to fix this? I want to get the paid version, but not if it will be doing this
#3151 [20:40] <Moxxi> as long as all my addons work. I've got modlauncher and a tedious list of other addons that I'm usiong atm, so I'm a little weary of creating a server lols.
#3152 [20:40] <Moxxi> especially sincxe i'm using magiclauncher.
#3153 [20:40] <xales> AbidingBrotha: Classic is now very, very old. Several years, in fact. It doesn't represent the game at all. You won't have that problem.
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#3155 [20:40] <xales> Moxxi: They may or may not support 1.3.1. If they do, they should work. Regardless, however, third-party content isn't something we can help you with.
#3156 [20:41] <AbidingBrotha> Right I know it's different that the paid version as far as what's in it, but I was unsure if my problem has been experienced in the paid version
#3157 [20:41] <Moxxi> Still nothing on the lan game. So i'd have to go ask the magiclauncher people for the magiclauncher multi?
#3158 [20:42] <xales> AbidingBrotha: I've never heard of it before.
#3159 [20:42] <AbidingBrotha> Ok well that makes me feel a little better, do you know if there is a refund program, in the event i buy it and it still has that problem?
#3160 [20:43] <xales> Moxxi: No. Magiclauncher is just an easy way to install client mods. You would have to install them on the server, as well, and that is a bit more of an involved process. They also would have to support multiplayer, and be updated for the latest version.
#3161 [20:43] <Moxxi> ah. Then there is probably where the root of my problem is.
#3162 [20:43] <Moxxi> the lan game, both minecraft clients are copied to be the same.
#3163 [20:44] <Moxxi> running the same exact mods and such. SO I suppose that's why I can't actually get it to work.
#3164 [20:45] <xales> It could be related to mods, but it's more likely a routing/configuration problem
#3165 [20:48] <lut> If modloader is installed then i believe risugami totally cut out access to the lan feature because he didn't want to do the packet stuff for it :)
#3166 [20:53] <Moxxi> and there's the downside.
#3167 [20:53] <Moxxi> Lols.
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#3170 [21:10] <ajmccall278> how do i fix the java virtual machine error when clicking on the exe
#3171 [21:11] <xales> Has it worked before?
#3172 [21:11] <ajmccall278> yes
#3173 [21:11] <xales> What did you do that caused it to stop working?
#3174 [21:11] <ajmccall278> nothing i tried playing and it stopped working
#3175 [21:12] <xales> Things don't just magically stop working. What did you do between it working, and not working?
#3176 [21:12] <DiskDaemon> ajmccall278: Are you running zonealarm?
#3177 [21:12] <ajmccall278> im not sure
#3178 [21:12] <Smanly> Did you update?
#3179 [21:13] <ajmccall278> yes
#3180 [21:13] <DiskDaemon> That error can occur if you're running 32-bit java on a 64-bit operating system
#3181 [21:13] <Smanly> I guess 1.3 is using more ram than 1.2.5.
#3182 [21:13] <xales> Smanly: The default allocation has not changed to my knowledge
#3183 [21:14] <Smanly> There was a person in here earlier that need to just run it with less ram.
#3184 [21:14] <ajmccall278> im running 32-bit on a 32-bit operating system
#3185 [21:14] <xales> ajmccall278: How much RAM do you hve?
#3186 [21:15] <ajmccall278> 3.2 GB
#3187 [21:15] <Smanly> xales: I dont think it did either, but idk. They had 3gs or ram and were only using 1 and could start it untill the set it to 500.
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#3189 [21:15] <Smanly> couldn't*
#3190 [21:15] <xales> ajmccall278: What other programs do you have open when you try to launch Minecraft?
#3191 [21:16] <ajmccall278> for some reason the minecraft.exe doesnt work and i have nothing open
#3192 [21:16] <Smanly> And by using I mean the sytem was idling at 1g.
#3193 [21:16] <jimmy> i just bought minecraft and i tried to log in and its still saying im not premium...
#3194 [21:16] <Smanly> You need to wait longer, jimmy.
#3195 [21:16] <xales> jimmy: http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/329519-when-will-i-receive-my-premium-status-
#3196 [21:16] <xales> ajmccall278: One second
#3197 [21:16] <jimmy> oh ok thanks
#3198 [21:16] <ajmccall278> by the way jimmy just wait about an hour
#3199 [21:17] <xales> DiskDaemon: Can you help ajmccall278 launch Minecraft with less memory? :p
#3200 [21:17] <jimmy> an hour?i did this cuz i was bored!!!
#3201 [21:17] <Smanly> ??> ajmccall278 win/moreram
#3202 [21:17] <Smanly> erm
#3203 [21:17] <DiskDaemon> xales: sure
#3204 [21:18] <ajmccall278> waht is that?
#3205 [21:18] <DiskDaemon> ajmccall278: Please create a shortcut of the minecraft.exe file, and we'll make an edit of that
#3206 [21:18] <DiskDaemon> What is a shortcut?
#3207 [21:18] <ajmccall278> i have a shortcut
#3208 [21:21] <ajmccall278> now what
#3209 [21:21] <DiskDaemon> Okay, edit the shortcut, and change it to be: java -Xmx384M -Xms384M -jar minecraft.exe
#3210 [21:23] <ajmccall278> how do i do that?
#3211 [21:23] <DiskDaemon> Right-click on the shortcut and go to properties
#3212 [21:23] <ajmccall278> ok then what
#3213 [21:24] <DiskDaemon> Then you will see highlighted text in the target field. Replace that with what I said before.
#3214 [21:25] <ajmccall278> i dont see highlighted text
#3215 [21:26] <DiskDaemon> What do you see?
#3216 [21:27] <ajmccall278> the type of file description location size then size on disc created modified accesed and then attributes
#3217 [21:28] <DiskDaemon> ajmccall278: That seems to imply that you're not dealing with a shortcut, but with the actual program file instead.
#3218 [21:28] <ajmccall278> oh
#3219 [21:29] <DiskDaemon> So let's go back to the beginning. Please create a shortcut for the minecraft.exe file.
#3220 [21:29] <ajmccall278> ok i just did it now what
#3221 [21:29] <DiskDaemon> right-click on the shortcut and choose properties
#3222 [21:29] <ajmccall278> i did the text thing
#3223 [21:29] <ajmccall278> whats after that
#3224 [21:30] <DiskDaemon> press ok, and try out the shrotcut
#3225 [21:30] <DiskDaemon> *shortcut
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#3227 [21:33] <ajmccall278> it didnt do anything
#3228 [21:33] <DiskDaemon> xales - sorry man, I'm not in a good state of mond to carry things on at this stage
#3229 [21:34] <DiskDaemon> *mind too
#3230 [21:34] <xales> okay, thanks for trying, I'll see if I can do any better ._.
#3231 [21:34] * xales isn't in a great state of mind either
#3231 [21:34] <xales> ajmccall278: What does "didn't do anything" mean?
#3232 [21:35] <ajmccall278> it took me to some random page with websites on it
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#3234 [21:36] <xales> ajmccall278: Okay, let's try this.
#3235 [21:37] <xales> ajmccall278: Turn your computer off. Then turn it back on again. Then, before you open anything else, try opening Minecraft.
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#3237 [21:37] <Guest83843> I'm trying to play the minecraft demo, but when try to get into the game itself after i've logged in it says the loading is done but its updating and seems to not be moving at all
#3238 [21:37] <xales> Guest83843: The demo does not currently work
#3239 [21:37] <Guest83843> ive tried to restart my computer already and it still hasnt worked
#3240 [21:37] <xales> It'll be fixed at some point
#3241 [21:37] <DiskDaemon> Guest16203: Sorry, but the demo doesn't work currently unless a premium member has already downloaded the game on your machine
#3242 [21:38] <Guest83843> ok do you have any idea when it might be worrking correctly?
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#3244 [21:38] <ajmccall278_> when i try running the minecraft.exe it says java virtual machine error could not create virtual machine how do i fix this?
#3245 [21:38] <DiskDaemon> The version history page says: "Includes demo mode. Note: Clicking on demo mode without the game installed will not work, and instead freeze at game updating and not download." http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Version_history
#3246 [21:38] <xales> ajmccall278: Okay, let's try this.
#3247 [21:38] <xales> ajmccall278: Turn your computer off. Then turn it back on again. Then, before you open anything else, try opening Minecraft.
#3248 [21:39] <Guest83843> ok
#3249 [21:39] <wyin> so i get this
#3250 [21:39] <wyin> Bad video card drivers! ----------------------- Minecraft was unable to start because it failed to find an accelerated OpenGL mode. This can usually be fixed by updating the video card drivers. --- BEGIN ERROR REPORT 7fe0271 -------- Generated 8/5/12 6:31 PM - Minecraft Version: 1.3.1 - Operating System: Windows Vista (x86) version 6.0 - Java Version: 1.6.0_31, Sun Microsystems Inc. - Java VM Version: Java Ho
#3251 [21:39] <ajmccall278_> this has been going on for a while that wont help
#3252 [21:39] <DiskDaemon> wyin: Because your graphics card drivers need to be updated
#3253 [21:40] <DiskDaemon> ??> wyin win/dxdiag
#3254 [21:40] <VoxelHead> wyin: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#3255 [21:40] <VoxelHead> wyin: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
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#3257 [21:40] <Bob> how come the miencraft.exe doesnt work? when i try to play it says could not create virtual machine
#3258 [21:41] <DiskDaemon> WHy am I so light-headed? THe only change from my routine is that I had cheesy buns for lunch today instead of regular sandwiches
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#3260 [21:43] <carminejr> the minecraft.exe doesnt work it says it could not create the java virtual machine
#3261 [21:44] <DiskDaemon> Oh god, I bet that those buns were packed with salt. I felt similarly bad when I had a mcdonalds big breakfast several months ago
#3262 [21:45] <xales> ??> carminejr dont/repeat
#3263 [21:45] <VoxelHead> carminejr: (dont/repeat) There is absolutely no need to repeat messages in IRC. Messages do not 'expire' and unless there is a lot of conversation, your message is not going anywhere.
#3264 [21:45] <VoxelHead> carminejr: (dont/repeat) Failure to follow this rule is very irritating, clouds the chat, and is almost certain you get you kicked for spamming.
#3265 [21:45] <carminejr> im sorry
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#3267 [21:47] <Wug> he was here earlier and he fixed it
#3268 [21:47] <tyteen4a03> xales: certain you get you kicked?
#3269 [21:47] <Wug> people... *sigh*
#3270 [21:47] <xales> Wug: wat really
#3271 [21:47] <xales> :|
#3272 [21:47] <tyteen4a03> oh hi Wug
#3273 [21:47] <Wug> maybe he'll remember the batch file he made
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#3278 [22:04] <Iguana> bitches, whatchy'all want
#3279 [22:05] <Elystus> Diamonds
#3280 [22:05] <Elystus> and chocolate
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#3282 [22:06] <jimmy> i bought mine craft earlier and i keep trying to log in and it says im still not premium what do i do
#3283 [22:08] <jimmy> its been like 30 minutes and i have the transaction confirmation
#3284 [22:08] <DiskDaemon> jimmy: What type of card did you buy it with?
#3285 [22:08] <jimmy> visa
#3286 [22:08] <DiskDaemon> What type of visa?
#3287 [22:08] <jimmy> whatdo you mean by that
#3288 [22:08] <DiskDaemon> vis comes in many different types
#3289 [22:09] <jimmy> like?
#3290 [22:09] <DiskDaemon> Like prepay visa cards, for example
#3291 [22:09] <DiskDaemon> or gift cards
#3292 [22:09] <DiskDaemon> or bank cards
#3293 [22:09] <jimmy> its a bank card
#3294 [22:10] <DiskDaemon> Okay - check your bank account. If you do not see the payment there, then you have not yet purchased the game.
#3295 [22:10] <jimmy> it showed less than a minute after i purchased it
#3296 [22:11] <DiskDaemon> Good, so the following article will now be of a useful read for you http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/329519-when-will-i-receive-my-premium-status-
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#3299 [22:21] <jgmguymn> i ordered minecraft premium and that was a couple hours ago and it says im not premium
#3300 [22:22] <DiskDaemon> jgmguymn: What did you use to make the payment with?
#3301 [22:22] <jgmguymn> my mom ordered it with her visa
#3302 [22:23] <DiskDaemon> Okay, whch sort of visa - a gift card?
#3303 [22:23] <jgmguymn> nope credit card
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#3305 [22:24] <DiskDaemon> jgmguymn: The following will be useful to read then http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/329519-when-will-i-receive-my-premium-status-
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#3307 [22:24] <jgmguymn> ill read it
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#3309 [22:25] <DiskDaemon> Yes, that would be useful.
#3310 [22:25] <jgmguymn> ok i read that a long time agpo and my mom checked her bank thingy and it said it went through
#3311 [22:25] <Wug> Iguana: mostly we were all commenting that you havent been active in like 6 months
#3312 [22:26] <DiskDaemon> jgmguymn: You said "a couple of hours ago" just before.
#3313 [22:26] <jgmguymn> ya i read it an hour after we bought it
#3314 [22:27] <DiskDaemon> so you've ordered twice?
#3315 [22:27] <jgmguymn> no just once
#3316 [22:28] <Iguana> yo bro, im super active
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#3318 [22:28] <power231eg> is anyone their?
#3319 [22:28] <DiskDaemon> I'm having trouble combining "a couple of hours ago" and "a long time ago" in to the one event.
#3320 [22:29] <jgmguymn> ok 2-3 hours ago sorry
#3321 [22:30] <DiskDaemon> jgmguymn: Well as you read in that article, it can take from 3 to 5 working days. That 7 full days, or a whole week, depending on different payment situations.
#3322 [22:31] <jgmguymn> so........................
#3323 [22:31] <DiskDaemon> jgmguymn: So? Wait.
#3324 [22:31] <power231eg> hello?
#3325 [22:32] <jgmguymn> so i cant play minecraft after waiting for 2 months
#3326 [22:32] <power231eg> can someone assist me??
#3327 [22:32] <DiskDaemon> jgmguymn: I'm washing my hands of you now.
#3328 [22:32] <jgmguymn> huh????/
#3329 [22:33] <DiskDaemon> brb, cuppa tea
#3330 [22:33] <Elystus> power231eg: What do you need?
#3331 [22:33] <power231eg> is anyone ealse having disk driver troubles?
#3332 [22:33] <power231eg> is anyone ealse having disk driver troubles?
#3333 [22:33] * jgmguymn [jgmguymn@notlogged] has left #minecrafthelp
#3334 [22:34] <Elystus> power231eg: can you elaborate please
#3335 [22:34] <power231eg> i downloaded a porgram to update my disk drivers and it updated them but it still has an error.
#3336 [22:34] <Elystus> Can you give me the error please
#3337 [22:34] * gay [gay@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#3338 [22:34] <Elystus> Put it on pastebin.com
#3339 [22:35] <gay> the OS x download to play says the file is broken
#3340 [22:35] <power231eg> that says minecraft could not play because of my disk drivers.
#3341 [22:35] <gay> Damaged and cannot be opened
#3342 [22:35] <Elystus> power231eg: I am sure there is a long error message, can I see it?
#3343 [22:35] <power231eg> yet i paid $30 to update my drivers and it still does not work.
#3344 [22:36] <power231eg> can i copy and paste it onto here?
#3345 [22:36] <gay> downloaded a number of times
#3346 [22:36] <Elystus> ??>> power231eg pastebin
#3347 [22:36] <Elystus> gay: What are you trying to do?
#3348 [22:36] <Elystus> the demo?
#3349 [22:36] <gay> download minecraft and install on osx
#3350 [22:36] <gay> no, I bought it
#3351 [22:36] <power231eg> no i paid for minecraft already
#3352 [22:37] <Elystus> Sorry, i know nothing about macs Gay.
#3353 [22:37] <gay> ok
#3354 [22:37] <Elystus> power231eg: That question was directed at gay
#3355 [22:37] <gay> whata waste/scam
#3356 [22:37] <gay> bye
#3357 [22:37] <Smanly> What
#3358 [22:37] <Elystus> I dunno
#3359 [22:38] <Smanly> That was really gay
#3360 [22:38] <GBlock> Not just 'What'; that's deserving of 'WAT'
#3361 [22:38] <Elystus> dammit smanly, you stole my joke >_>
#3362 [22:38] <Smanly> XD
#3363 [22:39] <power231eg> what do youn want me to do with pastebin?
#3364 [22:40] <Smanly> ??> power231eg Pastebin
#3365 [22:40] <VoxelHead> power231eg: (pastebin) Pastebin is a service run at http://www.pastebin.com/ which facilitates the sharing of information without flooding IRC channels. Paste your text there, click 'Submit', and give us the URL the site takes you to, and we can see what you have pasted.
#3366 [22:40] <Elystus> give me the link
#3367 [22:41] * Yawn [Yawn@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#3368 [22:42] <Yawn> Anyone here with any knowledge for Mac. Or anyway to contact Mojang support?
#3369 [22:42] <Elystus> Yawn: What is your issue.
#3370 [22:42] <DiskDaemon> support@mojang.com is listed on the payment email that goes through with each purchase.
#3371 [22:43] <power231eg> should i paste it as unlisted?
#3372 [22:43] <Yawn> Elystus: are you knowledgable about Macs?
#3373 [22:43] <power231eg> or public or private
#3374 [22:43] <Elystus> Yawn: Not really, but I still may be able to help.
#3375 [22:43] <Elystus> power231eg: Public
#3376 [22:44] <Yawn> I will await someone else Elystus, but thanks. However, do you know how to contact Majong support?
#3377 [22:44] <Smanly> Hey Yawn, are you gay by chance?
#3378 [22:44] <power231eg> ok elystus
#3379 [22:44] <Elystus> Yawn: Why will you not jsut state your issue.
#3380 [22:44] <power231eg> elystus
#3381 [22:44] <Elystus> power231eg: Yes?
#3382 [22:44] <Wug> Smanly: a little intrusive dont you think
#3383 [22:45] <Yawn> Elystus, how to contact Mojang support? Thats my issue
#3384 [22:45] <power231eg> how can i private message u the site?
#3385 [22:45] <power231eg> or cant i?
#3386 [22:45] <Elystus> Yawn: is it a technical issue?
#3387 [22:45] <Wug> there are probably better ways to find out if you know someone from somewhere else
#3388 [22:45] <Smanly> Lol, not in this case, no. Get you mind out of the gutter, Wug.
#3389 [22:45] <Elystus> power231eg: jsut link it in this chat, doesn't matter if other people see ot.
#3390 [22:45] <Elystus> it*
#3391 [22:45] <Yawn> Elystus: yes
#3392 [22:45] <power231eg> http://pastebin.com/bnuJdXgi
#3393 [22:46] <Elystus> Yawn: Contacting them will do no good if it is technical, thye just point to us. So, state your issue.
#3394 [22:46] <Smanly> Wug, take a look at the person who joined before, Yawn.
#3395 [22:46] <Yawn> Elystus: the product does not work. I want to contact customer support.
#3396 [22:46] <Elystus> Yawn: They don't have technical support.
#3397 [22:46] <Yawn> Elstus: Then I want a refund
#3398 [22:46] <power231eg> i did update my drivers
#3399 [22:46] <Wug> Yawn: oh. lol.
#3400 [22:46] <power231eg> it did not help
#3401 [22:46] <Elystus> Yawn: We can help if you state your issue.
#3402 [22:46] * Wug claps
#3402 [22:46] <Yawn> Elystus: OK, then I want to request a refund
#3403 [22:46] <Smanly> :D
#3404 [22:46] <DiskDaemon> Yawn: I'm afraid that refunds are not given for this game.
#3405 [22:46] <Elystus> Yawn: There are no refunds
#3406 [22:47] <Yawn> OK, I will do a chargeback.
#3407 [22:47] <power231eg> i paid for winzip driver updater and it updated my drivers
#3408 [22:47] <Elystus> Yawn: I don't know why you are so stubborn about not stating your issue.
#3409 [22:47] <power231eg> but i still receive the same errors
#3410 [22:47] <Yawn> thanks for letting me know they dont give refunds.
#3411 [22:47] <DiskDaemon> Yawn: If your computer is broken, or messed up, and is preventing you from running the game, that is not the fault of the makers of the game.
#3412 [22:47] <power231eg> i know that
#3413 [22:47] <Elystus> power231eg: do you know your exact graphics card?
#3414 [22:47] <DiskDaemon> Some of the volunteers in this channel might be able to help you with that though
#3415 [22:48] <power231eg> im just here to see if theirs a way to help
#3416 [22:48] <Yawn> No, there is an error with there game #1, and #2 I they need to stand by their product. No support, no work = chargeback easily done
#3417 [22:48] <power231eg> and no
#3418 [22:48] * prototype151 [prototype151@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#3419 [22:48] <prototype151> hello
#3420 [22:48] <Elystus> power231eg: can you tell me the model of your graphics card?
#3421 [22:48] <prototype151> me?
#3422 [22:48] <power231eg> i dont know what that is can u tell me where to look?
#3423 [22:48] <prototype151> fail
#3424 [22:49] <Elystus> Yawn: Well, the problem is with you. You do not wish to accept the help we are giving.
#3425 [22:49] <Elystus> or would give, rather.
#3426 [22:49] <Yawn> I wish they would clearly tell you when purchasing: "NO SUPPORT OFFERED. NO REFUND." Lol, wonder why the little liars dont do that?? Oh, I know
#3427 [22:49] <Yawn> lol
#3428 [22:49] <Elystus> ??>> power231eg win/dxdiag
#3429 [22:49] <prototype151> My account has been migrated but I did not migrate it. I was hacked! What do I do?
#3430 [22:49] <Wug> Yawn: they link you here
#3431 [22:49] <Elystus> Yawn: They do.
#3432 [22:49] <power231eg> what?
#3433 [22:49] <Yawn> Elystus: Is this Mojang support? You work for them?
#3434 [22:49] <Elystus> well at least the refund part
#3435 [22:49] <Wug> prototype151: change your password. it shouldnt make any difference
#3436 [22:50] <prototype151> I cant change it
#3437 [22:50] <prototype151> i cant even login
#3438 [22:50] <power231eg> what elystus?
#3439 [22:50] <Wug> recover it by email
#3440 [22:50] <prototype151> I know the email I used but It wont let me
#3441 [22:50] <Elystus> Yawn: WE are all volunteers. But we are the closest you will get to Mojang technical support.
#3442 [22:50] <Smanly> Yawn, if you do not want assistance from us, please see you way out.
#3443 [22:50] <prototype151> They Changed my pasword
#3444 [22:50] <Elystus> power231eg: follow the directions given by VoxelHead.
#3445 [22:50] <Yawn> I want assistance DESPERATELY from Majong. Failing that I will do a chargeback.
#3446 [22:50] <power231eg> oh thanks.
#3447 [22:50] <Yawn> I guess it will be the later.
#3448 [22:50] <power231eg> i diddnt even see that
#3449 [22:51] <Yawn> What a shitty company.
#3450 [22:51] <power231eg> sorry
#3451 [22:51] <Elystus> Yawn: Won't change anything. Unless you decide to accept our help.
#3452 [22:51] <Smanly> I know not of this company "Majong"
#3453 [22:51] <prototype151> lol yawn.... These people are helping you
#3454 [22:51] <power231eg> where is the win key?
#3455 [22:51] <power231eg> oh
#3456 [22:51] <power231eg> lol
#3457 [22:51] <Smanly> You may have been scammed, Yawn .
#3458 [22:51] <Elystus> :P
#3459 [22:51] <prototype151> They did this for teh customers. Dont complain
#3460 [22:51] <Yawn> Elystus: OK..... I will take your challenge
#3461 [22:51] <prototype151> Or you can but no one cares
#3462 [22:52] <Elystus> Yawn: It was not a challenge, it was a statement of fact. No one from Mojang will help you with a technical issue in this channel.
#3463 [22:52] <DiskDaemon> Yawn: Nobody here works for Mojang. The best you can get from here is the volunteer help and assistance of expert troubleshooters.
#3464 [22:52] <Yawn> Let's see if this escuse for support can help me. I bet it cant. But if it can, I will take it all back and apologize. If it can't, I will leave knowing Majong is ripoff/scam
#3465 [22:52] <Smanly> Majong is a scam.
#3466 [22:52] <Yawn> Issue is VERY simple
#3467 [22:52] <Yawn> lets see... OK?
#3468 [22:52] <prototype151> ya so a scam... thats why millions of people are playing minecraft right now ^^ lol
#3469 [22:53] <Wug> Yawn: get teamviewer
#3470 [22:53] <DiskDaemon> Yawn: You are already declaring defeat. It seems that you are determined to prove to be a failure
#3471 [22:53] <Yawn> prototype151: I know only one person trying, me.... and I aint. So from my POV its 100% failure
#3472 [22:53] <Smanly> We are all waiting, Yawn.
#3473 [22:53] <Yawn> OK. Mac OSX
#3474 [22:53] <Yawn> Bought through Minecraft.net
#3475 [22:53] <Wug> ??> Yawn teamviewer
#3476 [22:53] <VoxelHead> Yawn: (teamviewer) Teamviewer is remote access software, which enables other people to, with your permission, access your computer remotely and attempt to perform troubleshooting and diagnostics.
#3477 [22:53] <prototype151> Yawn... lololol, These are alll volunteers
#3478 [22:53] <VoxelHead> Yawn: (teamviewer) Teamviewer's website is here: http://www.teamviewer.com/en/index.aspx
#3479 [22:53] <prototype151> Be thankful they are here bro
#3480 [22:54] <Yawn> download
#3481 [22:54] <Yawn> Wont open, says "Damaged, throw in trash"
#3482 [22:54] <prototype151> Or you would be shit outa luck because apparently u cant use the forums which explain you problem
#3483 [22:54] <Wug> before you say anything else
#3484 [22:54] <Wug> any of you
#3485 [22:54] <Yawn> downloaded multiple times. Always same
#3486 [22:54] <Yawn> So impress me
#3487 [22:54] <Wug> keep in mind, this is a public place
#3488 [22:55] <Wug> we are volunteers, but this is an official channel
#3489 [22:55] <Wug> politeness is expected.
#3490 [22:55] <Elystus> Thank you wug.
#3491 [22:55] <Wug> especially when dealing with the people who provide this service to everyone, without compensation
#3492 [22:55] <Wug> so get teamviewer and I'll fix it.
#3493 [22:56] <Wug> follow vox's instructions.
#3494 [22:56] <Elystus> Wug is very good with Macs. I will leave you in his care.
#3495 [22:56] <Yawn> Any ideas?
#3496 [22:56] <Smanly> -_-
#3497 [22:56] <Yawn> Oh ok,
#3498 [22:56] <Elystus> since he is here.
#3499 [22:56] <Yawn> let see WUG
#3500 [22:56] <Wug> follow vox's instructions.
#3501 [22:56] <Wug> well, interpolate a bit
#3502 [22:56] <Wug> you need to download and run teamviewer
#3503 [22:57] <Wug> vox gives you a link to the website,
#3504 [22:57] <power231eg> elystus
#3505 [22:57] <Elystus> yes power231eg?
#3506 [22:57] <Wug> you should be able to figure it out from there.
#3507 [22:57] <Yawn> Wug: so "Minecraft is damaged and cant be opened. You should move it to the trash"
#3508 [22:57] <Wug> Yawn: I read that
#3509 [22:57] <power231eg> is it safe to post this info?
#3510 [22:57] <Wug> now read what I said
#3511 [22:57] <Elystus> yep, want me to psot mine?
#3512 [22:57] <power231eg> it says it was important
#3513 [22:57] <Elystus> post*
#3514 [22:57] <prototype151> Anyways, I try to reset but it says. your account has been migrated. Please go here to reset your password. So I went. I got the email once i gave it. I click on the link in the email.. And it say "error" Migration has failed"
#3515 [22:57] <prototype151> Da fawk...
#3516 [22:57] <Yawn> So I assume the file on the server at Majong is messed up
#3517 [22:57] <prototype151> Yawn
#3518 [22:57] <prototype151> What are you trying to do?
#3519 [22:58] <prototype151> What is your problem
#3520 [22:58] <Elystus> Yawn; Many other people have been able to use it.
#3521 [22:58] <Wug> prototype151: have you contacted mojang via email yet
#3522 [22:58] <Wug> in the past perhaps
#3523 [22:58] <DiskDaemon> prototype151: http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/438361-account-migration-issues
#3524 [22:58] <Yawn> Wug, as I have downloaded multiple times
#3525 [22:58] <prototype151> I did.
#3526 [22:58] <Wug> Yawn: you downloaded teamviewer?
#3527 [22:58] <Yawn> Wug, no.... in fact I can find no way to contact Majong
#3528 [22:58] <prototype151> How long till response??
#3529 [22:58] <prototype151> It was a few hours ago
#3530 [22:58] <Wug> Yawn: if I am speaking to you, I will use your name in my message
#3531 [22:58] <prototype151> Yawn....
#3532 [22:58] <Smanly> Yawn, Have you installed Teamviewer yet?
#3533 [22:59] <Wug> if you see someone elses name, I'm not speaking to you.
#3534 [22:59] <DiskDaemon> prototype151: Between 2.5 and 3 months is the email response time.
#3535 [22:59] <prototype151> You dont need teamvieweer to fix your problems
#3536 [22:59] <prototype151> OH GOD
#3537 [22:59] <Wug> prototype151: they have a big backlog.
#3538 [22:59] <prototype151> u are shitting me
#3539 [22:59] <prototype151> lol
#3540 [22:59] <Yawn> Wug I dont see why teamviewer is needed to fix this isssue
#3541 [22:59] <Wug> Yawn: I have no idea what's causing it
#3542 [22:59] <power231eg> ELYSTUS
#3543 [22:59] <Yawn> Wug, the MacOSX download from Minecraft is corrupeted
#3544 [22:59] <Wug> so I'm going to try a bunch of things
#3545 [22:59] <DiskDaemon> prototype151: Read it for yourself :) http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/359446-when-will-i-hear-back-
#3546 [22:59] <prototype151> Oh jesus thats sad...
#3547 [22:59] <Wug> one of them will probably work
#3548 [23:00] <prototype151> So I cant play for a quarter of a year... WELL GREAT <3
#3549 [23:00] <power231eg> i saved it 4 times but i cant find it in my documents
#3550 [23:00] <Elystus> power231eg: It is on your desktop
#3551 [23:00] <Wug> Yawn: have you downloaded teamviewer yet
#3552 [23:01] * Dragonmen7 [Dragonmen7@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#3553 [23:01] <power231eg> what info do u need from it all?
#3554 [23:01] <DiskDaemon> Wug: Yawn cannot successfully download that either
#3555 [23:01] <Yawn> Wug I am not downloading software to allow you to access my computer. No offense, but are you nutty? lol
#3556 [23:01] <Wug> Yawn: we do it every day in here
#3557 [23:01] <Yawn> Wug Further it should be necessary
#3558 [23:01] <Wug> almost all of the helpers are trained in its use
#3559 [23:01] <Yawn> Wug: lots of people do lots of dangerous things all the time.
#3560 [23:02] <Wug> most are capable of offering support for all operating systems
#3561 [23:02] <Yawn> OK.... so this is going as I thought
#3562 [23:02] <Dragonmen7> I am having issues opening the singleplayer classic minecraft. i get an error message that says something about a pixel acceleration
#3563 [23:02] <power231eg> elystus?
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#3565 [23:02] <Elystus> Yawn: It is going the way you though because you wish it to go that way.
#3566 [23:02] <Elystus> power231eg: It is on your desktop
#3567 [23:02] <Elystus> ^
#3568 [23:02] <Wug> Yawn: download the linux client from the website
#3569 [23:02] <Yawn> Wug: OS reports the file is BROKEN, this is not an issue with my computer
#3570 [23:02] <power231eg> i found it but what info do u need from it all?
#3571 [23:02] <Yawn> Wug: it can only be 2 things: Download issue, or Majong issue. I am assuming #2.
#3572 [23:03] <DiskDaemon> ??> Dragonene win/dxdiag
#3573 [23:03] <VoxelHead> Dragonene: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#3574 [23:03] <VoxelHead> Dragonene: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#3575 [23:03] <Wug> Yawn: download the linux client from the website
#3576 [23:03] <Elystus> power231eg: all of it really. There is nothing I can use maliciously against you.
#3577 [23:03] <Yawn> OK this is hilarious
#3578 [23:03] <Yawn> joke city in this dump
#3579 [23:03] <Yawn> by losers
#3580 [23:03] <prototype151> Lawls..
#3581 [23:03] <prototype151> ragequit.
#3582 [23:03] <power231eg> why do you need it ?
#3583 [23:03] <DiskDaemon> Yawn: Will you please let the man try to help you?
#3584 [23:03] <prototype151> No explanation needed..
#3585 [23:03] <Wug> if he wants help, he can beg for it via pm.
#3586 [23:03] <prototype151> he left lol
#3587 [23:03] <GBlock> He came in with a grudge; just forget about it.
#3588 [23:04] <Elystus> power231eg: TO check a few things to see if it meets minimum requirements and to check drivers and see if they are compatible and up to date.
#3589 [23:04] <Wug> actually
#3590 [23:04] <power231eg> can u post what the minimum req. are and ill check?
#3591 [23:05] <Elystus> power231eg: I can, but we cannot be sure based off just that. If you would like, I can show you my dxdiag
#3592 [23:05] <Elystus> There is no harm from sharing it.
#3593 [23:05] <power231eg> ok let me check online and i will see yours also
#3594 [23:05] <Elystus> one moment
#3595 [23:06] <prototype151> So ya Im just waiting for my email.. its all good it should be here in... umm... A FEW MONTHS <3
#3596 [23:06] <Smanly> power231eg, It is like telling someone the engine you have in your car.
#3597 [23:06] <Wug> that ought to do it
#3598 [23:06] <Elystus> power231eg: here is mine: http://pastebin.com/ZpbgEe46
#3599 [23:06] <Smanly> Mine: http://pastebin.com/2K5e7TWM
#3600 [23:07] <Dragonmen7> error message reads: org.lwjgl.LWJGLException:Pixel format not accelerated
#3601 [23:07] <Elystus> Dragonene: That is usually due to the graphics card's drivers being out of date or damaged.
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#3603 [23:08] <DiskDaemon> ??> Dragonmen7 win/dxdiag
#3604 [23:08] <VoxelHead> Dragonmen7: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#3605 [23:08] <VoxelHead> Dragonmen7: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#3606 [23:08] <Elystus> Dragonene: Would you mind getting us a dxdiag?
#3607 [23:08] <prototype151> So ya... Still waiting for email...
#3608 [23:08] <Elystus> prototype151: For what?
#3609 [23:08] <Dragonmen7> I dont see how its out of date or damaged..... its a brand new tower with windows 7
#3610 [23:08] <Elystus> from customer support?
#3611 [23:09] <DiskDaemon> prototype151: It could be quite the wait. In the meantime, other steps can be taken.
#3612 [23:09] <power231eg> my drivers were updated though
#3613 [23:09] <power231eg> like 2 hrs ago
#3614 [23:09] <prototype151> Ya, Just a few more.. MONTHS... to go :D
#3615 [23:09] <Smanly> We get it, prototype151.
#3616 [23:09] <Elystus> power231eg: There are diffrent drivers. SOme drivers jsut don't work.
#3617 [23:09] <DiskDaemon> Dragonmen7: It will help to give us an insight in to the issue that you are having.
#3618 [23:09] <prototype151> Well you got an idea because I wouldlike to here it. I run 2 servers.
#3619 [23:09] <Dragonmen7> kk
#3620 [23:09] <prototype151> Cant afford this
#3621 [23:09] <prototype151> Literally.
#3622 [23:09] <Elystus> prototype151: What is going on?
#3623 [23:10] <prototype151> Account migrated.
#3624 [23:10] <prototype151> Without me
#3625 [23:10] <prototype151> I tried to reset password. They took me to another page. Gave them my email. I got the email. Clicked on it. Gave me error. They said to login... But my passcode is changed... fml
#3626 [23:11] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: Someone on the forums came up with a demo fix. I thought you may want to see it. http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1401643-minecraft-131-demo-crash-fix-windows/
#3627 [23:11] <Elystus> prototype151: You will just have to wait I guess.
#3628 [23:11] <prototype151> Yeahp...
#3629 [23:11] <prototype151> Or pay 30 bucks..
#3630 [23:12] <Elystus> Well you run servers correct? and do you make money off them?
#3631 [23:12] <prototype151> Yes.
#3632 [23:12] <Smanly> If you run 2 servers, you should already have an alt acount :P
#3633 [23:12] <prototype151> But I also pay for them
#3634 [23:12] <Wug> prototype151: what's your username
#3635 [23:12] <prototype151> prototype151 lol
#3636 [23:12] <Wug> k
#3637 [23:12] <Elystus> if waiting for a response is detremental towards the servers, then you should have an alt account.
#3638 [23:12] <prototype151> no one buys 2 accounts. Dont be silly
#3639 [23:12] <prototype151> Its 2 servers. Not 2 accounts
#3640 [23:12] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: By manually downloading the prerelease and supporting files. Riiiight.
#3641 [23:12] <Smanly> Many, many people have more than 2 account.
#3642 [23:12] <Dragonmen7> correction, OS is windows XP
#3643 [23:13] <prototype151> Its not a server problem bro
#3644 [23:13] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: It works >_> its a butch job, but it works.
#3645 [23:13] <prototype151> Nothing to do with the server.
#3646 [23:13] <Smanly> What, who said it was?
#3647 [23:13] <prototype151> Dood... U have no idea what the problem even is lol
#3648 [23:13] <prototype151> Ur funny trying to be a smartass
#3649 [23:13] <Smanly> ...yes I do.
#3650 [23:13] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: Tomorrow you will see an installdemo.jar file that does the work for you
#3651 [23:13] <prototype151> give u credit for that
#3652 [23:13] <prototype151> What is it then?
#3653 [23:14] <prototype151> Exactly, *slaps face
#3654 [23:14] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: What?
#3655 [23:14] <Smanly> You were dumb and let you account get migrated.
#3656 [23:14] <prototype151> exactly
#3657 [23:14] <prototype151> Dont argue
#3658 [23:14] <Smanly> Ok...
#3659 [23:14] <Smanly> Dude, what?
#3660 [23:14] <prototype151> <3
#3661 [23:14] <Elystus> No arguments guys...
#3662 [23:14] <prototype151> Ill be back in a bit. Peice out niggas
#3663 [23:14] <Smanly> im not even arguing about anything.
#3664 [23:14] <Smanly> That kid is high or somthing.
#3665 [23:14] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: What were you saying that was bad about the fix?
#3666 [23:14] <Smanly> And very angry.
#3667 [23:16] <Dragonmen7> nope right the first time. its 7
#3668 [23:16] <Dragonmen7> http://pastebin.com/q5Ze4N6R
#3669 [23:16] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: For me, what's bad is that it's using the pre-release which Mojang aren't entirely happy with, and it's bypassing what Mojang seems to be trying to achieve with what they're doing.
#3670 [23:16] <power231eg> why is your name red elystus?
#3671 [23:16] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: The demo was made with the intention of bringing it to all people.
#3672 [23:17] <Elystus> power231eg: Because I am pinging you.
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#3674 [23:17] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: Currently according to what Mojang have created, it's only premium people who can provide the demo to others.
#3675 [23:17] <power231eg> whats that?
#3676 [23:17] <DiskDaemon> ??> Dragonmen7 gpu/amd
#3677 [23:17] <VoxelHead> Dragonmen7: (gpu/amd) You can get drivers for AMD (formerly ATI) video cards here: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx
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#3679 [23:17] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: That is a bug I believe, but I will look into it. If what you say is true, I will take the thread down.
#3680 [23:17] <power231eg> are u tec. support for minecraft?
#3681 [23:18] <Elystus> no, we are volunteers.
#3682 [23:18] <Smanly> I dont think so, DiskDaemon. Have you read this? http://www.minecraft.net/demo
#3683 [23:18] <DiskDaemon> power231eg: Yes we are
#3684 [23:18] <Elystus> we are volunteer technical support for Mojang.
#3685 [23:18] <power231eg> why volunteer?
#3686 [23:18] <Smanly> Um, wat.
#3687 [23:18] <Elystus> Because we do not work for them...
#3688 [23:19] <gv> Nobody here is paid by mojang
#3689 [23:19] <power231eg> are u admin?
#3690 [23:19] <Elystus> power231eg: admin of what>
#3691 [23:19] <Elystus> ?
#3692 [23:19] <power231eg> this chat?
#3693 [23:19] <Elystus> I am a voice.
#3694 [23:19] <gv> Several of us are.
#3695 [23:19] <Elystus> anyone with a plus is a voice and people with an @ is a moderator.
#3696 [23:19] <DiskDaemon> Yes, I read that yesterday. If someone wants to help provide the demo, then don't give 10 steps and multiple downloads. Instead package it up in to an installdemo.jar which downloads what you need and unpacks it to where it should go.
#3697 [23:19] <gv> Is there something you need power231eg?
#3698 [23:20] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: Oh, you want him to automate it?
#3699 [23:20] <power231eg> so if u dont get paid why do you do this?
#3700 [23:20] <Elystus> power231eg: Cuase it is fun and I like helping people.
#3701 [23:20] <Smanly> You are right, power231eg. We will just leave. :P
#3702 [23:21] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: That would be optimal, but I would prefer that he also gets the official "meh" from Mojang about it too.
#3703 [23:21] <Dragonmen7> Ive been hearing of the teleporters sending you off map or underground
#3704 [23:21] <Dragonmen7> as of late
#3705 [23:21] <Elystus> DiskDaemon: I can look into getting the offical "meh" from Mojang tomorrow.
#3706 [23:21] <Smanly> lol
#3707 [23:21] <power231eg> so what is a 'voice'?
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#3709 [23:22] <DiskDaemon> voice means that you can speak when then channel has been quitened.
#3710 [23:22] <Elystus> hence the name voice
#3711 [23:22] <power231eg> is any of the @ people here?
#3712 [23:22] <DiskDaemon> For the most part though, it's a gold star from the ops, to say that we're worthy in certain ways.
#3713 [23:22] <Dragonmen7> Thanks @help admin pplz
#3714 [23:23] <DiskDaemon> I saw wug around a whort time ago
#3715 [23:23] <DiskDaemon> *short
#3716 [23:23] <DiskDaemon> pardon?
#3717 [23:23] <Smanly> He is just saying thanks, lol.
#3718 [23:23] <DiskDaemon> Elystus: The official "meh" would be appreciated with such a project :)
#3719 [23:24] <Dragonmen7> yep.
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#3721 [23:24] <TheLordDrake> Hello?
#3722 [23:24] <gv> Hello
#3723 [23:24] <Dragonmen7> have a good one guys (and or gals) (and hi at Drake)
#3724 [23:24] <Dragonmen7> have a good one guys (and or gals) (and hi at Drake)
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#3726 [23:25] <DiskDaemon> hi
#3727 [23:25] <TheLordDrake> Hey gv, I've bit of an odd issue. Not sure you guys can help but anything is better then nothing.
#3728 [23:25] <gv> Ask away
#3729 [23:25] <TheLordDrake> I can't buy Minecraft. :/
#3730 [23:25] <DiskDaemon> What are you using to purchase it with?
#3731 [23:25] <gv> And what happens when you try?
#3732 [23:26] <TheLordDrake> My parents and I tried several times using different payment methods, each time it just tells us there is an error and won't do anything.
#3733 [23:26] <TheLordDrake> We can't even tell if it charged us yet.
#3734 [23:26] <gv> What error do you get?
#3735 [23:26] <DiskDaemon> TheLordDrake: Checking your bank account is usually a good way to tell.
#3736 [23:26] <TheLordDrake> At the risk of sounding rude, we're not stupid. We did make sure the funds were there. >>
#3737 [23:27] <DiskDaemon> TheLordDrake: You need to create a moneybooker account, which is used to process the minecraft transaction.
#3738 [23:27] <TheLordDrake> Moneybooker isn't the only way to pay though.
#3739 [23:27] <gv> None of us here said you were
#3740 [23:27] <DiskDaemon> TheLordDrake: What type of credit card was used to attempt the payment?
#3741 [23:27] <TheLordDrake> We tried a Visa card and we also tried paypal.
#3742 [23:28] <DiskDaemon> TheLordDrake: If moneybookers isn't used, then to my knowledge the only other method of payment is paypal.
#3743 [23:28] <Smanly> ?? payment
#3744 [23:28] <VoxelHead> payment: Mojang doesn't process money directly from payments made. They accept payment made through a third-party institution like Moneybookers or Paypal. Once Mojang gets receipt of payment through those sites, your account will be credited with premium status. This process has been known to take a few hours. Be patient.
#3745 [23:28] <VoxelHead> payment: If it has been more than a few days, please contact Mojang through mailto:help@mojang.com
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#3747 [23:29] <Smanly> :D?
#3748 [23:29] <gv> That faq contact needs to be updated
#3749 [23:29] <TheLordDrake> As I said, I'm not sure if you guys can help, but I'm just shaking trees at this point.
#3750 [23:29] <DiskDaemon> TheLordDrake: The following article may be of some use for you http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/417071-i-can%E2%80%99t-purchase-minecraft
#3751 [23:29] <TheLordDrake> I read that already.
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#3753 [23:30] <DiskDaemon> TheLordDrake: Let's start from the beginning then.
#3754 [23:30] <TheLordDrake> I'm not asking for a fix, I'm trying to figure out if anyone else has had this problem and what may be the cause.
#3755 [23:30] <DiskDaemon> TheLordDrake: Do you have an account on moneybookers?
#3756 [23:30] <ObliviArt> what problem?
#3757 [23:30] <DiskDaemon> If not, then you most likely won't succeed with a credit card payment.
#3758 [23:31] <gv> It can be caused by banks denying the transaction.
#3759 [23:31] <TheLordDrake> No Disk, I already stated this. We used a Visa card and Paypal.
#3760 [23:31] <tigerrawr90> can some one help me? im trying to log in but it is stuck updating minecraft and it says done loading but the green loader isnt althe way acrost i redownloaded it updated my java and double cheaked the requrements but i dont know how to make it work?
#3761 [23:31] <gv> It can be caused by PayPal or money bookers not accepting the format of payment
#3762 [23:31] <ObliviArt> tig did you try a restart?
#3763 [23:32] <tigerrawr90> no
#3764 [23:32] <TheLordDrake> What do you mean gv?
#3765 [23:32] <ObliviArt> try that and come back if no good
#3766 [23:32] <tigerrawr90> okay thanks
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#3768 [23:32] <DiskDaemon> TheLordDrake: So you're trying to purchase Minecraft which uses moneybookers to process the transaction, but you don't have an account with moneybookers? I suggest that you create yourself an account with them.
#3769 [23:32] <gv> ?? Prepaid
#3770 [23:32] <VoxelHead> prepaid: Prepaid or gift credit cards will generally not work for purchasing Minecraft, because their fraud prevention klobbers international transactions.
#3771 [23:32] <TheLordDrake> For the last time Disk, Money booker is not the only listed method of payment.
#3772 [23:33] <TheLordDrake> We didn't use a Prepaid card.
#3773 [23:33] <gv> That right there is one reason why transactions daily for many
#3774 [23:33] <Smanly> Its not a listed method.
#3775 [23:33] <gv> Er fail
#3776 [23:33] <DiskDaemon> TheLordDrake: Mojang use moneybookers to process the credit card payments from all of those methods of payment.
#3777 [23:33] <gv> Then exactly what card did you use?
#3778 [23:33] <TheLordDrake> No were does it say that you are required to have a MB account to purchase MC.
#3779 [23:34] <TheLordDrake> At least not that we saw.
#3780 [23:34] <TheLordDrake> gv: We used a Visa card first, then we tried through Paypal.
#3781 [23:34] <ObliviArt> no idea what a moneybooker is at all. I used the method drake explained with visa and paypal without issue
#3782 [23:34] <ObliviArt> well i used visa anyway....forgot that i did not link paypal like many do
#3783 [23:34] <gv> There's hundreds of different visa card types.
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#3785 [23:35] <ObliviArt> that is true
#3786 [23:35] <prototype151> wussup
#3787 [23:35] <ObliviArt> drake
#3788 [23:35] <TheLordDrake> What?
#3789 [23:35] <gv> Are you using a credit card? A bank/debit card?
#3790 [23:35] <ObliviArt> visa type?
#3791 [23:35] <prototype151> wug
#3792 [23:35] <prototype151> How do you become a volunteer
#3793 [23:36] <Smanly> Um.
#3794 [23:36] <Wug> prototype151: its not like there are forms you fill out or anything
#3795 [23:36] <DiskDaemon> prototype151: Anyone can become a volunteer by staying in here and volunteering their help
#3796 [23:36] <Wug> you just hang out and try to help people
#3797 [23:36] <Smanly> ^^^
#3798 [23:36] <prototype151> Oh I see. So its not official?
#3799 [23:36] <Smanly> Nope
#3800 [23:36] <prototype151> Ight
#3801 [23:36] <Smanly> Not at all.
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#3803 [23:36] <TheLordDrake> It was a credit card. As for hundreds of types, I wouldn't know about that. As far as I know it shouldn't matter as they're all backed by the same system.
#3804 [23:37] <prototype151> So I grant myself volunteer status ^^ Welcome me
#3805 [23:37] <prototype151> On your knees
#3806 [23:37] <prototype151> now
#3807 [23:37] <prototype151> bow down
#3808 [23:37] <DiskDaemon> TheLordDrake: I would be interested to find out the reason for why the credit card payment was not accepted by Mojang.
#3809 [23:37] <prototype151> <3
#3810 [23:37] <TheLordDrake> As would I Disk.
#3811 [23:37] <ObliviArt> ok credit card, and no they have seprate systems
#3812 [23:37] <Smanly> ??> prototype151 ,
#3813 [23:37] <DiskDaemon> Or rather, by moneybookers who are the payment gateway for Mojang.
#3814 [23:37] <Smanly> ??>> prototype151 do/,
#3815 [23:37] <prototype151> U heard me sman
#3816 [23:37] <disgustipated> there are some credit cards that look just like regular cards but they are gift cards and only work at certain places
#3817 [23:38] <TheLordDrake> For the last time DiskDaemon: Money Bookers is not the only way to purchase the game.
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#3819 [23:38] <prototype151> lol ^^
#3820 [23:38] <TheLordDrake> No, this was not a Gift card.
#3821 [23:38] <Smanly> ??>> TheLordDrake payment
#3822 [23:38] <Elystus> TheLordDrake: He is perfectly aware of that, however, you are not cooperating with him. All you do is tell him it is not moneybookers.
#3823 [23:38] <DiskDaemon> TheLordDrake: Correct - paypal is the only other way.
#3824 [23:38] <Smanly> Unless I am understanding that wrong, TheLordDrake.
#3825 [23:38] <ObliviArt> drake it is hard to assist with credit card issues as they have many way of being processed even more so when dealing in international purchases
#3826 [23:39] <tigerrawr90> the restart didnt work still stuck on updating
#3827 [23:39] <tigerrawr90> the restart didnt work still stuck on updating
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#3829 [23:39] <TheLordDrake> There where does it say you're required to have a Money Booker's account to purchase the game?
#3830 [23:39] <TheLordDrake> *then
#3831 [23:39] <DiskDaemon> TheLordDrake: Let's approach this another way. How do you want us to help?
#3832 [23:39] <ObliviArt> ok tig did you try option force update?
#3833 [23:39] <prototype151> Money Bookers ftw
#3834 [23:39] <tigerrawr90> no how do you do that
#3835 [23:39] <TheLordDrake> I simply wish to know if anyone else has had a similar issue and if a possible cause may be known.
#3836 [23:39] <Wug> open the client, and before you login, click the options button, and then the force update button
#3837 [23:39] <ObliviArt> ok when you open the game you have to login, at that screen look for options near log in
#3838 [23:40] <TheLordDrake> I'm not asking anyone here to go out and fix this for me.
#3839 [23:40] <prototype151> people are funny
#3840 [23:40] <prototype151> Drake
#3841 [23:40] <prototype151> What is your issue
#3842 [23:40] <ObliviArt> check force update then login
#3843 [23:40] <DiskDaemon> TheLordDrake: Yes, others have had such a payment issue. They have solved that issue by creating an account for themself at moneybookers.
#3844 [23:41] <prototype151> Or just pay with a goddam creditcard
#3845 [23:41] <prototype151> or paypal
#3846 [23:41] <prototype151> <3
#3847 [23:41] <gv> TheLordDrake: there is. But we have no control over how your financial institution handles payments
#3848 [23:41] <tigerrawr90> i dont see anything
#3849 [23:41] <ObliviArt> sometimes there is a delay in processing that will result in a rejection
#3850 [23:41] <TheLordDrake> Prototype, we did pay with a credit card, we also tried Paypal. DiskDaemon: Thank you, I got that the first time. Are there any other possible causes?
#3851 [23:41] <disgustipated> curious if your bank doesnt want to allow the transaction if the transaction occurs across seas
#3852 [23:42] <gv> It can be caused by MB/PayPal denying payment.. Or you bank
#3853 [23:42] <ObliviArt> hmm
#3854 [23:42] <disgustipated> i had my american bank deny a transaction because i was trying to buy something in china
#3855 [23:42] <ObliviArt> tig
#3856 [23:42] <TheLordDrake> gv: I'm not asking you to fix anything.
#3857 [23:42] <disgustipated> they straight up locked my bank account
#3858 [23:42] <tigerrawr90> i found it trying to start it again
#3859 [23:42] <disgustipated> i had to call them
#3860 [23:42] <prototype151> Then wuts the goddam issue
#3861 [23:42] <DiskDaemon> TheLordDrake: On other occasions, the persons bank is deliberately blocking the international transaction, as a security measure. You have to contact your bank to find out if that is the case with your credit card, and they can help with that.
#3862 [23:42] <prototype151> lawls
#3863 [23:42] <gv> Didn't say I could
#3864 [23:42] <ObliviArt> ok tig
#3865 [23:42] <TheLordDrake> Okay, thank you Disk.
#3866 [23:43] <tigerrawr90> same screen stilll updating minecraft
#3867 [23:43] <ObliviArt> hmm
#3868 [23:43] <prototype151> so simple solutions
#3869 [23:43] <prototype151> lol
#3870 [23:43] <gv> tigerrawr90: has minecraft ever worked before?
#3871 [23:43] <DiskDaemon> TheLordDrake: And on yet other occasions, the problem is that the person is trying to use a visa gift card, which are completely blocked from international transactions by degree from the USA, to prevent fraud.
#3872 [23:43] <tigerrawr90> no i never played it before
#3873 [23:43] <prototype151> tiger... u fail
#3874 [23:43] <tigerrawr90> just trying it out
#3875 [23:43] <TheLordDrake> prototype151: The issue I'm having is that my parents attempted to purchase Minecraft, it fed them an error(Not it didn't give an error name or error code), so they tried several more times. They attempted to pay using both our Visa card and Paypal.
#3876 [23:44] <DiskDaemon> *decree
#3877 [23:44] <TheLordDrake> Disk, it's not a gift card.
#3878 [23:44] <prototype151> ya i just paid for my cousins minecraft account.
#3879 [23:44] <gv> tigerrawr90: have you purchased a mine craft account?
#3880 [23:44] <prototype151> You have to make sure u do everything
#3881 [23:44] <Elystus> tigerrawr90: this is commonly caused by your antivirus. Do you have AVG?
#3882 [23:44] <prototype151> Did u watch over there shoulder
#3883 [23:44] <prototype151> lol
#3884 [23:44] <tigerrawr90> no norton
#3885 [23:44] <prototype151> Drake. Did u even create an account first
#3886 [23:44] <tigerrawr90> no im trying the trail first
#3887 [23:44] <Elystus> tigerrawr90: Disable norton and try again.
#3888 [23:44] <ObliviArt> ack norton...toss the whole computer in the trash
#3889 [23:44] <DiskDaemon> TheLordDrake: So more information is required then. They can contact their bank to find out more information about why the transaction failed to occur.
#3890 [23:45] <tigerrawr90> okay will do
#3891 [23:45] <TheLordDrake> Yes, I've had an account for some time.
#3892 [23:45] <prototype151> Ok, so its just not premium?
#3893 [23:45] <TheLordDrake> Correct.
#3894 [23:45] <ObliviArt> i despise norton and mcafee
#3895 [23:45] <TheLordDrake> Disk: We already plan to do that.
#3896 [23:45] <prototype151> what?
#3897 [23:45] <DiskDaemon> They can also contact moneybookers to find out more information about why the transaction failed to occur. Moneybookers process the payment for Mojang, and moneybookers charge your bank for the payment. So it is either your bank or moneybookers who can help with the issue.
#3898 [23:45] <prototype151> oh ok
#3899 [23:46] <DiskDaemon> TheLordDrake: Mojang do not deal with things until they are notified by Moneybookers about a successful payment.
#3900 [23:46] <prototype151> So did you press buy now
#3901 [23:46] <ObliviArt> anyway, tried to offer some help here....now i have a question....and not sure how to explain it
#3902 [23:46] <tigerrawr90> Still the same thing
#3903 [23:47] <Elystus> tigerrawr90: Is there anything odd about the launcher?
#3904 [23:47] <TheLordDrake> I'm not suggesting this Mojang's fault.
#3905 [23:47] <TheLordDrake> As I said, I'm simply looking for possible causes.
#3906 [23:47] <DiskDaemon> TheLordDrake: I hope that this insight in to the inner workings of how the payment is processed has helped in some regard.
#3907 [23:47] <prototype151> Drake
#3908 [23:47] <TheLordDrake> It did somewhat, thank you.
#3909 [23:47] <prototype151> Drake..
#3910 [23:47] <TheLordDrake> Yes prototype?
#3911 [23:47] <prototype151> Walk me through to where it failed
#3912 [23:47] <DiskDaemon> The processing agent (moneybookers) or the bank are the possible causes.
#3913 [23:48] <prototype151> I am pretty sure I have seen most issues. I have played since alpha version
#3914 [23:48] <tigerrawr90> not that i see it has the little grass icon and is says mine crapt it get stuck on a brown screep that says in bold letters updating mindcraft and the below it says done loading and below that it a green load bar 90 percent loaded
#3915 [23:48] <prototype151> I can help
#3916 [23:48] <TheLordDrake> We attempted to complete the transaction and it simply failed. The system did not explain why.
#3917 [23:48] <DiskDaemon> If the update doesn't want to complete, it's almost certainly your antivirus program preventing Minecraft from getting the files that it needs. A solution to that is to temporarily disable your antivirus program and then try again.
#3918 [23:49] <ObliviArt> My server seems to be having an issue where after a running for a bit it stops saving...example, when i go to gather resources the block i interact with disappears but nothing drops, almost as if i were in creative mode but i am not and it take the normal few hits to break the block
#3919 [23:49] <prototype151> Mojang setup there payment proceess to fail if information is missing.
#3920 [23:49] <prototype151> Most likely u did not fill in all the info.
#3921 [23:49] <prototype151> Do u have the error report?
#3922 [23:49] <TheLordDrake> Any information at all? For example a phone number that the system doesn't need anyway?
#3923 [23:49] <prototype151> Yes
#3924 [23:50] <TheLordDrake> No, as I said. The system only stated that there was an error, it didn't give any more detail then that.
#3925 [23:50] <ObliviArt> all lines must be filled out
#3926 [23:50] <prototype151> It must give u an error
#3927 [23:50] <prototype151> No one just says error
#3928 [23:50] <prototype151> lol
#3929 [23:50] <TheLordDrake> It didn't give us an error code prototype.
#3930 [23:50] <prototype151> im sure it did..
#3931 [23:50] <prototype151> What did you pay with
#3932 [23:50] <prototype151> Or try to
#3933 [23:50] <prototype151> lol
#3934 [23:51] <TheLordDrake> A visa card and Paypal, each several times.
#3935 [23:51] <ObliviArt> diskdeamon
#3936 [23:51] <prototype151> Were you watching the process
#3937 [23:52] <DiskDaemon> ObliviArt: yes?
#3938 [23:52] <TheLordDrake> I personally was only able to see portions of it due to the seating arrangement.
#3939 [23:52] <ObliviArt> did you see my question?
#3940 [23:52] <DiskDaemon> ObliviArt: yes, and I cannot help you with that.
#3941 [23:52] <TheLordDrake> My parents know full well to look for an error code.
#3942 [23:52] <ObliviArt> ah
#3943 [23:53] <DiskDaemon> ObliviArt: Which helps to explain why I didn't post anything trying to help you with it.
#3944 [23:53] <prototype151> Sometimes with the migration, Accounts get skrewed up. Try creating another account then buying premium on that. Or try this thread.. http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/417071-i-can%E2%80%99t-purchase-minecraft or both
#3945 [23:53] <ObliviArt> just thought i would ask, you seemed most knowledgable here
#3946 [23:53] <prototype151> Who are you asking obliv
#3947 [23:53] <TheLordDrake> I will try creating another account in the morning. As I told Disk, I've already read that page.
#3948 [23:54] <DiskDaemon> prototype151: I wouldn't do that. I would check with the payment gateway and the bank about why the payment wasn't successful.
#3949 [23:54] <ObliviArt> i was asking disk
#3950 [23:54] <Elystus> ObliviArt: It sounds like the server is lagging out.
#3951 [23:54] <ObliviArt> thats what i was thinking ely
#3952 [23:54] <DiskDaemon> If the payment attempt got to the bank, the moneybookers are okay, and the bank denied it for some reason. If the bank doesn't even see the payment attempt, the moneybookers are blocking it for some reason.
#3953 [23:54] <DiskDaemon> These such reasons can often be easily resolved.
#3954 [23:54] <prototype151> Ya but it was an error. Not a payment issue. I think he didnt have full info
#3955 [23:54] <ObliviArt> cause a tell is when it starts to hic-up
#3956 [23:54] <prototype151> Obliviart
#3957 [23:55] <prototype151> What is your issue
#3958 [23:55] <ObliviArt> ?
#3959 [23:55] <ObliviArt> server seems to stop saving
#3960 [23:55] <Elystus> ObliviArt: Can we get a speedtest.net?
#3961 [23:55] <DiskDaemon> prototype151: If you create an account for yourself with moneybookers then you are able to get more information about the attempted payments, and what happened to them.
#3962 [23:55] <Elystus> it could have to do with upload.
#3963 [23:55] <TheLordDrake> Well I seem to be going in circles at this point.
#3964 [23:55] <ObliviArt> speed who do what?
#3965 [23:55] <prototype151> yeahp, but my suspicion is that it did not get to that point
#3966 [23:55] <Elystus> www.speedtest.net
#3967 [23:55] <TheLordDrake> Thank you for you help everyone.
#3968 [23:55] <ObliviArt> the server is local though
#3969 [23:55] <DiskDaemon> However, none of this is helping TheLordDrake much. Get in touch with the bank, and work with the information that is obtained from there.
#3970 [23:55] <DiskDaemon> TheLordDrake: You're welcome
#3971 [23:56] <Elystus> ObliviArt: It will tell you the upload and download for your internet. A slow upload could be causing issues.
#3972 [23:56] <TheLordDrake> That's the plan Disk. Thanks again and goodnight.
#3973 [23:56] <ObliviArt> i like play from the same comp running the server
#3974 [23:56] <ObliviArt> ok i will go see what it says
#3975 [23:56] <prototype151> How much ram u have obli
#3976 [23:56] <Elystus> prototype151: We shall get to that
#3977 [23:56] <Elystus> one thing at a time
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#3979 [23:57] <prototype151> Do you get an error saying not enough memory or something. Or system overloaded or cant keep up
#3980 [23:57] <ObliviArt> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2103619261.png
#3981 [23:57] <prototype151> u might need to dedicate more of your ram to the server
#3982 [23:57] <ObliviArt> server will say something like cannot keep up did the time change
#3983 [23:57] <Dragonmen7> I finished updating and i have the same error message
#3984 [23:57] <prototype151> Which is relitavely easy to do
#3985 [23:57] <Elystus> upload seems fine. Okay, so how much ram do you have, what is the speed of the ram, and how much ram is dedicated to the server?
#3986 [23:58] <prototype151> Yeahp
#3987 [23:58] <prototype151> ram problem most likely
#3988 [23:58] <ObliviArt> i have 2gig to it on a 4 gig system
#3989 [23:58] <Elystus> that could be your issue.
#3990 [23:58] <Elystus> dedicate 1 gig
#3991 [23:58] <prototype151> lol ^^
#3992 [23:58] <Elystus> prototype151: ?
#3993 [23:58] <ObliviArt> wait what? thats less....explain
#3994 [23:58] <prototype151> I was respodning to that may be yoru issue
#3995 [23:58] <prototype151> lol
#3996 [23:58] <Elystus> ObliviArt: Yes, it is less. SOmetimes less is better.
#3997 [23:59] <Dragonmen7> lol
#3998 [23:59] <Elystus> ObliviArt: If the server is using 2 gigs and minecraft is using 1
#3999 [23:59] <Elystus> that leaves 1 gig available.
#4000 [23:59] <prototype151> 1 gig is what it is expecting by defauilt
#4001 [23:59] <ObliviArt> hmm
#4002 [23:59] <ObliviArt> makes since
#4003 [23:59] <ObliviArt> sense
#4004 [23:59] <Elystus> which are probably being used by random programs such as skype chrome/internet explorer, etc.
#4005 [23:59] <ObliviArt> was kinda thinking that when you started mentioned memoery
#4006 [23:59] <Elystus> which is*