#1 [00:01] <TigersFangs> I love the idea of migrating to a Mojang account instead of a Minecraft.net account. I just have one minor question....
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#3 [00:02] <undead> What is that?
#4 [00:02] <TigersFangs> With the old Minecraft.net accounts, your user name appeared above your head in multiplayer. With the new Mojang accounts, your EMAIL appears above your head in multiplayer. I don't particularly like this and find it annoying. Is there anyway to get your Username to appear above your head again?
#5 [00:03] <undead> That doesn't happen with me
#6 [00:03] <undead> Hmm
#7 [00:03] <Wug> TigersFangs: can you post a picture
#8 [00:03] <Wug> i've also never seen this
#9 [00:04] <Wug> (though I have not played minecraft in some time)
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#11 [00:04] <TigersFangs> I will have to see if I can get a picture.
#12 [00:04] <TigersFangs> What I have noticed is that with "/" commands I have to type my email address when ever I try to identify myself as a user
#13 [00:06] <Wug> maybe its just some weird scheme that just your one server uses
#14 [00:07] <Wug> you don't have to identify on servers
#15 [00:07] <Wug> you sure you're not on a cracked server or something
#16 [00:08] <TigersFangs> Yeah.
#17 [00:09] <TigersFangs> Last time was using the Open Lan server function on version 1.3.2
#18 [00:09] <undead> Does anyone know where the locale settings for essentials are?
#19 [00:09] <TigersFangs> My buddy had his user name above his head cause he has an MC account and mine had my email address.
#20 [00:10] <Wug> undead: vanilla
#21 [00:10] <Wug> essentials is not it.
#22 [00:10] <Wug> ive never once used bukkit
#23 [00:15] <undead> Wug how do i edit the message you get when you try to logon to the server and its full ?
#24 [00:15] <Wug> undead: I have a feeling you'd need a plugin
#25 [00:16] <Wug> I haven't run a server in a while, so unless they added an option for that to the config, I'd say you'd need a plugin
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#28 [00:23] <logsfall> My Mojang account has been compromised. My Minecraft skin has been changed as well as the Security questions to my settings. How can I get the account back under my full control.
#29 [00:24] <Wug> :resetpass
#30 [00:24] <WugBot> resetpass: You can reset the password for your minecraft account using the following page: http://www.minecraft.net/resetpassword
#31 [00:24] <Wug> that won't reset your mojang account password
#32 [00:24] <Wug> you'll need to do that from mojang.com
#33 [00:25] * Wug makes note to self to add another factoid
#33 [00:25] <logsfall> I have to login using my email. The link you provided doesn't allow email usernames.
#34 [00:25] <logsfall> I have to login using my email. The link you provided doesn't allow email usernames.
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#36 [00:29] <logsfall> Thank you Wug. I've successfully changed my password, yet I still cannot access my settings on the Mojang website.
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#39 [00:31] <TigersFangs> Okay....
#40 [00:32] <TigersFangs> Tried to duplicate the error concerning the username and I couldn't
#41 [00:32] <TigersFangs> Maybe it was just a problem with the login server at the time or something.
#42 [00:33] <logsfall> I can't seem to change my skin to its original state, strange.
#43 [00:33] <TigersFangs> You mean the default skin?
#44 [00:34] <logsfall> Yes. Someone thought it would be hilarious to change it to Anonymous.
#45 [00:34] <TigersFangs> If you go to www.minecraft.net, log in, and then go to your profile you should be able to download the default skin.
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#47 [00:34] <TigersFangs> Then just upload the default skin as your new skin
#48 [00:35] <TigersFangs> It will take a few minutes to update in game from what I am told
#49 [00:35] <logsfall> I've tried that already. About twenty minutes ago. Perhaps I will just have to wait a little while longer.
#50 [00:36] <TigersFangs> And have you logged into a single player game to check your skin?
#51 [00:36] <TigersFangs> I find that SSP updates the fastest
#52 [00:36] <TigersFangs> As far as skins go
#53 [00:37] <logsfall> I just attempted to see if it has changed. No such luck.
#54 [00:38] <blackpanther72> Hi I seem to be having trouble downloading the server. I purchased the game for my son. I am not sure I am doing the right thing.
#55 [00:39] <blackpanther72> there is a box that has a white back ground that is not showing the 'skin'. it was downloading then it stopped
#56 [00:40] <logsfall> Blackpanther, are you attempting to download the launcher?
#57 [00:41] <blackpanther72> thanks for contacting me. it is called a server but i dont know if that is the same thing as the launcher.
#58 [00:42] <logsfall> Are you mentioning the Multiplayer server launcher or the application for the game itself.
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#60 [00:42] <blackpanther72> maybe its the multiplayer server. I am such a novice. a little embarrassing
#61 [00:43] <blackpanther72> I clicked on minecraft 1.3.1
#62 [00:43] <logsfall> No worries Black, I will send you the application and the multiplayer server via email since the website seems to be down. Message me your Email and I'll get it to you ASAP
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#64 [00:44] <logsfall> The website seems to be back up. Go to this link and I will help you from there http://www.minecraft.net/download
#65 [00:45] <blackpanther72> wow thanks. my email is helga_van_schoor@yahoo.co.uk
#66 [00:46] <blackpanther72> should i visit the link now?
#67 [00:46] <logsfall> Yes, that would be best.
#68 [00:47] <blackpanther72> ok
#69 [00:48] <logsfall> If you look on the link provided you will see a hyperlink text stating "Minecraft.exe (270 KB)". Please click this to start the download for the game itself.
#70 [00:49] <undead|AFK> save it to your desktop blackpanther72
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#75 [00:59] <Brennan> hello
#76 [01:00] <Brennan> i was trying to add more ram to my minecraft server and now it wont even start because it says: failed to bind port.
#77 [01:00] <Brennan> then it says: perhaps a server is already running on thst port?
#78 [01:00] <Brennan> that*
#79 [01:00] <Brennan> can anyone help me?
#80 [01:01] <Brennan> when i "stop" the server (even though it was never running) it apparently crashes
#81 [01:02] <undead|AFK> How do you stop the server when its not running ?
#82 [01:02] <Brennan> i just typed in "stop" in the console
#83 [01:03] <Brennan> is there anyone there that can help me?
#84 [01:04] <undead|AFK> How do u stop a server when its not running . lol that doesn't make any sece
#85 [01:04] <undead|AFK> sence
#86 [01:04] <Brennan> i told you, i type in stop in the console
#87 [01:05] <Brennan> undead, do you no how to help me?
#88 [01:06] <Brennan> shadow, can you help me plz?
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#90 [01:07] <Brennan> if anyone can help me, i can post my crash report on pastebin if they want me to
#91 [01:07] <undead> Yes do that
#92 [01:08] <Brennan> ok
#93 [01:08] <Brennan> http://pastebin.com/pyz0tyBA
#94 [01:09] <Brennan> there is my crash report
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#96 [01:11] <Brennan> do you have any idea, undead?
#97 [01:11] <undead> go to #essentials
#98 [01:12] <Brennan> in my server folder?
#99 [01:12] <Brennan> or plugins i mean
#100 [01:12] <undead> they will probably know what to do because i dont :/
#101 [01:12] <undead> no click this: #essentials
#102 [01:12] <undead> it brings you to that IRC
#103 [01:12] <undead> try it
#104 [01:14] <Brennan> ok thx
#105 [01:16] <undead> click this : #essentials
#106 [01:21] <Brennan> brb
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#131 [03:08] <mustangs> my java is not working propley can some PLEASEE help me
#132 [03:09] <mustangs> it says the java virtiral mechine is not working wtf
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#134 [03:10] <rymate1234> well someone was patient
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#136 [03:12] <kriss> Hi guys. Uhmm did spawning of hostile mobs get nerfed in 1.3.2 ?? cause since our serverupgrade to 1.3.0 my mobfarm (using darkroom) has stopped working
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#138 [03:41] <Calinou> kriss, possibly, not sure
#139 [03:41] <Calinou> might be a side effect of bug fixes/tweaks for performance
#140 [03:41] <Calinou> make sure your view distance is set to 10 in server.properties
#141 [03:42] <kriss> well im not the server admin but i just spent alot of time making these floors and now it seems wasted
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#143 [03:51] <rabbbit> Hey, seeds aren't working
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#145 [03:51] <rabbbit> I want to set the seed -671258039 on my linux server
#146 [03:51] <rabbbit> but it is different
#147 [03:51] <rabbbit> I've set it in server.properties
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#149 [03:58] <rabbbit> hello?
#150 [03:59] <rymate1234> Hmmmm
#151 [03:59] <rymate1234> Was the world already generated when you put the seed in?
#152 [03:59] <rabbbit> I've deleted the world folder twice
#153 [04:00] <rymate1234> hmmmm
#154 [04:00] <rymate1234> odd
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#157 [04:03] <rabbbit> is the server supposed to turn a negative seed to a positive one?
#158 [04:03] <rabbbit> because in the console it turns into a positive seed
#159 [04:04] <rabbbit> 7 something
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#167 [04:28] <minecraftaddict01> i need help
#168 [04:28] <minecraftaddict01> really bad
#169 [04:28] <kriss> speak
#170 [04:28] <minecraftaddict01> ok
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#172 [04:30] <minecraftaddict01> i used mc patcher i think i patched the wrong file and now when i start up mc launcher and sign in it says done loading but the bar is nearly at the end but still not loaded and doesnt load
#173 [04:31] <Calinou> ?? mods
#174 [04:31] <VoxelHead> mods: This channel is not a venue for mod support, or support for modded servers. As it is impossible for anybody to know every combination of mods out there, this channel does not assist with unofficial third-party modded content.
#175 [04:31] <VoxelHead> mods: For single player mods, contact the mod's creator or try http://tiny.cc/modinstall for general installation instructions. For bukkit help, use #bukkit; you can also search Google for a mod's installation instructions.
#176 [04:31] <minecraftaddict01> nope
#177 [04:31] <Calinou> that's a bot command, not a question
#178 [04:31] <minecraftaddict01> no no mods
#179 [04:32] <minecraftaddict01> i was trying to get sphax texture pack
#180 [04:32] <minecraftaddict01> its my first time installing a texture pack
#181 [04:35] <Calinou> still, we do not help with third party content, regardless of its kind
#182 [04:35] <Calinou> consider googling around
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#199 [05:54] <ianh> hi can dsomeone help me please
#200 [05:55] <DiskDaemon> sure, we can try
#201 [05:55] <ianh> my mincraft for pc has been working fine, now when i run the program it logs in then crashes on the mojan screen and wont load the game???
#202 [05:56] <DiskDaemon> Let's start with a reinstall to help weed our some common problems
#203 [05:56] <ianh> my little boy has tried to install some packs off the internet which i was unaware of he dragged winzip folders into the game, didnt know what he was doing
#204 [05:56] <DiskDaemon> ??> ianh win/reinst
#205 [05:56] <VoxelHead> ianh: (win/reinst) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#206 [05:56] <VoxelHead> ianh: (win/reinst) To do so, press your Windows+R keys, type in %AppData% at the dialog, and press Enter. In the window that appears, open the .minecraft directory, and delete everything except for the saves directory that you see therein. Then, try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
#207 [05:58] <ianh> i deleted all the files
#208 [05:59] <ianh> working again thank you very much
#209 [05:59] <DiskDaemon> you're welcome
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#224 [06:49] <Brad> tyteen you there??????
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#234 [07:01] <Benny> Um, hi. I'm trying to find someone to complain to that my cats have disappeared after reloading.
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#236 [07:06] <ihdcool09> Look for em
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#238 [07:06] <Brad> some one help me
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#240 [07:07] <ihdcool09> Its o
#241 [07:07] <ihdcool09> It's probably a known bug
#242 [07:07] <ihdcool09> Whats wrong Brad
#243 [07:08] <Brad> stupid paypal wont work for me i been trying for days i have phone called paypal they said there is nothing wrong so it must be mojang really annoying
#244 [07:09] <ihdcool09> O.O
#245 [07:09] <ihdcool09> Its not mojang
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#247 [07:10] <Brad> then what is it
#248 [07:10] <ihdcool09> Shouldn't be
#249 [07:10] <quint569> hi
#250 [07:10] <quint569> can i ask you something?
#251 [07:10] <ihdcool09> Yes?
#252 [07:10] <quint569> can you help me whit problems whit minecraft?
#253 [07:11] <quint569> hello?
#254 [07:11] <DiskDaemon> Brad: Is it a gift code that you're attempting to purchase?
#255 [07:11] <ihdcool09> Don't ask to ask
#256 [07:11] <ihdcool09> Just ask quint569
#257 [07:11] <Brad> no its just normal membership
#258 [07:12] <DiskDaemon> Does your paypal transaction list show why the purchase wasn't successful?
#259 [07:12] <ihdcool09> quint569:
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#261 [07:13] <ihdcool09> Please ask in here
#262 [07:13] <Brad> ill send you a pic or what it says
#263 [07:13] <ihdcool09> Not pm
#264 [07:13] <Brad> http://screensnapr.com/v/bzfM1I.jpg
#265 [07:14] <Brad> it's been saying that for 4 days now.
#266 [07:14] <quint569> is this the minecraft help chat?
#267 [07:14] <DiskDaemon> Brad: I've seen that issue occur on paypal accounts that haven't yet been verified
#268 [07:14] <ihdcool09> Brad: Have you checked your account on paypal?
#269 [07:14] <Brad> it works for other things like i just bought my runescape membership yesterday
#270 [07:14] <Brad> worked fine
#271 [07:15] <DiskDaemon> Brad: Are you in Illinois?
#272 [07:15] <DiskDaemon> Or Guam?
#273 [07:15] <quint569> hello? is this the minecraft help chat?
#274 [07:15] <Brad> what do you mean illinois or guam?
#275 [07:15] <ihdcool09> Yes.
#276 [07:15] <DiskDaemon> quint569: That's what it says on the channel title. #minecrafthelp
#277 [07:16] <quint569> whel my question is: i deleted by accident al my minecraft files on my mac and now i cant download minecraft againg
#278 [07:16] <DiskDaemon> Brad: It's a simple yes or no answer.
#279 [07:16] <Brad> no
#280 [07:16] <quint569> ?
#281 [07:16] <ihdcool09> Restore it from your trashcan folder
#282 [07:16] <quint569> how do i do that on a mac?
#283 [07:17] <ihdcool09> Anyone have a mac^?
#284 [07:17] <quint569> i dont think so -_-
#285 [07:17] <quint569> but how do you do that on a normal laptop?
#286 [07:18] <ihdcool09> Don't you have a trashcan folder?
#287 [07:18] <quint569> i dont now what that is
#288 [07:18] <ihdcool09> Ok
#289 [07:18] <JamEngulfer221> iHDcool09: I have a Mac, what's the problem?
#290 [07:18] <ihdcool09> quint569:
#291 [07:18] <ihdcool09> Try to halp him
#292 [07:18] <Brad> any idea diskdaemon?
#293 [07:19] <DiskDaemon> sorry Brad - I'm running low on ideas there
#294 [07:19] <JamEngulfer221> quinr569: What's the problem?
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#296 [07:19] <JamEngulfer221> quint569:
#297 [07:19] <quint569_> jes i cant download minecraft annymore
#298 [07:20] <quint569_> becaus i deleted al my files by accident
#299 [07:20] <Brad> so what am i suppose to do just not play
#300 [07:20] <JamEngulfer221> So did you delete your Minecraft files, or just the program?
#301 [07:20] <quint569_> evrything
#302 [07:20] <DiskDaemon> Brad: You can always use a credit card to pay
#303 [07:20] <JamEngulfer221> So, how exactly did you do that, run through the process that you did
#304 [07:20] <Brad> and that should work?
#305 [07:21] <quint569_> and when i download mine craft again it sais that i cant open it because its damaged
#306 [07:21] <JamEngulfer221> Ok
#307 [07:21] <quint569_> so i deleted al my files and cleand my trashcan
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#309 [07:21] <ihdcool09> lol
#310 [07:21] <DiskDaemon> yes
#311 [07:21] <JamEngulfer221> So, did you go into Library/Application Support/Minecraft and delete everything there?
#312 [07:21] <quint569_> jes
#313 [07:21] <JamEngulfer221> Oh dear...
#314 [07:21] <Brad> ok i will try that later thank you for your help
#315 [07:22] <quint569_> :(
#316 [07:22] <JamEngulfer221> Well, first of all, you're not getting your files back. I can't help with that
#317 [07:22] <quint569_> that does not mather i just want to play minecraft again
#318 [07:22] <JamEngulfer221> Here's a tip for the future, make a backup of any files like that before you delete them
#319 [07:22] <JamEngulfer221> Also, emptying trash wasn't nessecary
#320 [07:22] <quint569_> shit -_-
#321 [07:23] <quint569_> sow is there a way i can play again?
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#323 [07:23] <JamEngulfer221> So, do you still have the Minecraft application somewhere, presumably in your Applications folder?
#324 [07:23] <quint569_> no because when i download minecraft i cant open it because its damaged
#325 [07:24] <JamEngulfer221> Hmm...
#326 [07:24] <JamEngulfer221> Did you delete the Minecraft application then?
#327 [07:24] <quint569_> yes evrything about minecraft
#328 [07:24] <JamEngulfer221> Ok
#329 [07:24] <JamEngulfer221> So, have you tried re-downloading the application?
#330 [07:25] <quint569_> yes but then it sais i ts damaged and i have to delete it
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#332 [07:25] <quint569_> so?
#333 [07:25] <JamEngulfer221> Ok, download it again and run it, don't click login, just get the window open
#334 [07:25] <quint569_> i cant
#335 [07:26] <quint569_> i cant run or open it
#336 [07:26] <quint569_> i cant do anything whit it
#337 [07:26] <taylorfry> when a minecraft world loads it is really bright during the day or really dark at night. ive changed the settings to try and fix it but nothing has worked. is it a computer graphic problem maybe?
#338 [07:26] <JamEngulfer221> Oh...
#339 [07:26] <JamEngulfer221> Where are you downloading the program from?
#340 [07:26] <quint569_> minecraft.net
#341 [07:27] <JamEngulfer221> Ok
#342 [07:27] <JamEngulfer221> This is a bit of a conundrum
#343 [07:27] <quint569_> :s
#344 [07:28] <quint569_> is there no way i can play again?
#345 [07:28] <JamEngulfer221> So, you went to http://www.minecraft.net/download clicked download Minecraft.zip and made sure it said Minecraft for Mac OS X, then un-zipped the file?
#346 [07:28] <quint569_> jes
#347 [07:28] <quint569_> then i placed it on my desktop and tried to open it
#348 [07:28] <JamEngulfer221> So now do you have the Minecraft.app in your download folder
#349 [07:29] <JamEngulfer221> Just try running it from the Downloads folder
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#351 [07:29] <quint569_> alright wait a sec.
#352 [07:30] <quint569_> does not work
#353 [07:30] <JamEngulfer221> Ok
#354 [07:30] <quint569_> it always said: sorry you cant open minecraft becaus its damaged, you have to delete it
#355 [07:30] <JamEngulfer221> Try this, go to http://www.technicpack.net and click on the Download the Technic Launcher button
#356 [07:31] <quint569_> and then?
#357 [07:31] <JamEngulfer221> Once it's downloaded, open the application
#358 [07:31] * DiskDaemon grumbles about technic
#358 [07:32] <quint569_> yes?
#359 [07:32] <JamEngulfer221> Did that work at least?
#360 [07:32] <quint569_> yes
#361 [07:32] <JamEngulfer221> Well that's some progress
#362 [07:32] <quint569_> :)
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#364 [07:32] <quint569_> do i have to login?
#365 [07:33] <JamEngulfer221> Not yet
#366 [07:33] <quint569_> alright
#367 [07:33] <JamEngulfer221> First see the drop down menu in the top right with pictures?
#368 [07:33] <JamEngulfer221> Click it
#369 [07:33] <quint569_> whit tekkit and yogbox ?
#370 [07:33] <JamEngulfer221> yeah
#371 [07:34] <JamEngulfer221> Scroll down to the bottom and click Vanilla
#372 [07:34] <quint569_> what now?
#373 [07:34] <JamEngulfer221> If you log in, it should work and you should be able to play
#374 [07:35] <JamEngulfer221> Does it work?
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#376 [07:35] <quint569_> yes!!!
#377 [07:35] <quint569_> but do i always have to start it up this way?
#378 [07:35] <JamEngulfer221> there we go
#379 [07:36] <JamEngulfer221> Well, I'm not too sure about what's happened to your Minecraft.app
#380 [07:36] <quint569_> but this way i can play, save, do modding?
#381 [07:36] <JamEngulfer221> It's not the actual files in Application Support that is the problem
#382 [07:37] <quint569_> what do you mean?
#383 [07:37] <JamEngulfer221> Well it's a problem with the Minecraft launcher
#384 [07:37] <zen> wait
#385 [07:37] <quint569_> wait i found a backup of my minecraft files
#386 [07:37] <zen> -.-
#387 [07:37] <JamEngulfer221> It worked fine for me, so it's probably a problem on your end
#388 [07:37] <JamEngulfer221> That's good
#389 [07:37] <zen> ??> quint569_ mac/gatekeeper
#390 [07:37] <VoxelHead> quint569_: (mac/gatekeeper) Mountain Lion adds new security to the OS which blocks Minecraft, and any other non-App-Store program, from running. To disable this, go to System Preferences -> Security, and toward the bottom of the first tab, select 'Anywhere'.
#391 [07:37] <quint569_> but i cant open mine craft -_-
#392 [07:37] <zen> quint569_: see what VoxelHead just said
#393 [07:38] <JamEngulfer221> Oh
#394 [07:38] <JamEngulfer221> That would make sense
#395 [07:38] <JamEngulfer221> I completely forgot about Gatekeeper
#396 [07:38] <quint569_> so wait a sec
#397 [07:39] * zen is now known as :lutzee
#398 [07:39] <quint569_> alright what do i have to do now?
#399 [07:39] <JamEngulfer221> What version of Mac OS X are you using? Snow Leopard, Lion or the really new one, mountain Lion?
#400 [07:39] <lutzee> quint569_: assuming everything works run the app
#401 [07:39] <quint569_> the newest
#402 [07:39] <JamEngulfer221> Ok
#403 [07:39] <JamEngulfer221> So go into system Preferences
#404 [07:39] <lutzee> he's on 10.8.1 i checked :)
#405 [07:40] <quint569_> omg
#406 [07:40] <JamEngulfer221> what?
#407 [07:40] <quint569_> thank you all so much!!!!!!!!!
#408 [07:40] <JamEngulfer221> Ok
#409 [07:40] <JamEngulfer221> You're welcome
#410 [07:40] <JamEngulfer221> So it's finally working now?
#411 [07:40] <quint569_> thank you so much!!
#412 [07:40] <quint569_> i thought i would never be able to play minecraft again!
#413 [07:40] <quint569_> yes its working!
#414 [07:41] <JamEngulfer221> Good. I'm happy to have helped
#415 [07:41] <quint569_> yes!!!
#416 [07:41] <quint569_> thank you all!!!
#417 [07:41] <lutzee> Well, JamEngulfer221 you really didn't do much..
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#419 [07:42] <JamEngulfer221> *ahem*
#420 [07:42] <quint569_> he did!! everybody somthimes forgets somthing
#421 [07:42] <quint569_> so thank you evryone!! goodbye!
#422 [07:43] <JamEngulfer221> I did check to see what the problem was, AND established that it wasn't something with the Minecraft files
#423 [07:43] <imperial_1> when i log in i get a black screen and i wont load how can i fix it ?
#424 [07:43] <JamEngulfer221> imperial_1: Are you using mods?
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#426 [07:43] <imperial_1> no
#427 [07:43] <JamEngulfer221> Ok
#428 [07:43] <JamEngulfer221> Any at all?
#429 [07:43] <imperial_1> i only use texture packs
#430 [07:43] <JamEngulfer221> Ok
#431 [07:44] <lutzee> imperial_1: force updated?
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#433 [07:44] <JamEngulfer221> When you first open the Minecraft launcher, before you click Login, click options and click Force update
#434 [07:44] <quint569> i whas to happy ;(
#435 [07:44] <JamEngulfer221> THEN click Login
#436 [07:44] <imperial_1> okay ill try that and if it doesent work ill tell youu
#437 [07:44] <quint569> it did not work
#438 [07:44] <quint569> ;(
#439 [07:44] <JamEngulfer221> quint569 Wait, so...
#440 [07:44] * Me4502|away is now known as :Me4502
#441 [07:45] <quint569> what?
#442 [07:45] <JamEngulfer221> Did you actually get it to work again?
#443 [07:45] <quint569> no ;(
#444 [07:45] <JamEngulfer221> Oh
#445 [07:45] <quint569> it said: downloading packages and it stop there
#446 [07:45] <JamEngulfer221> try force updating it
#447 [07:45] <quint569> i think i am missing a file in my bin map
#448 [07:45] <imperial_1> its worked now thanks
#449 [07:45] <lutzee> Oh joy
#450 [07:45] <quint569> i did but it did not do annything
#451 [07:45] <JamEngulfer221> Oh
#452 [07:46] <JamEngulfer221> Have you tried turning your computer off and on again?
#453 [07:46] <JamEngulfer221> seriously
#454 [07:46] <imperial_1> does anyone know how to get rid of the grey blocks on doku craft?
#455 [07:46] <JamEngulfer221> imperial_1: what do you mean by the grey blocks?
#456 [07:46] <quint569> my minecraft sais that there is somthing wrong whit my minecraft.jar file
#457 [07:46] <quint569> i dont have it annymore
#458 [07:47] <JamEngulfer221> quint569: Oh, did you delete your Minecraft.jar file then?
#459 [07:47] <imperial_1> when i put stone bricks down the jjjuust appear as grey
#460 [07:47] <imperial_1> they
#461 [07:47] <quint569> yes and in my backup it is not there
#462 [07:47] <Andrio|Away> Dokucraft is a HD texture pack, isn't it?
#463 [07:47] <JamEngulfer221> quint569: Ok, that's simple, just force update (options menu before you log in)
#464 [07:48] <lutzee> Andrio|Away: i believe so
#465 [07:48] <quint569> i did 2 thimes
#466 [07:48] <Andrio|Away> You need a mod to use those.
#467 [07:48] <JamEngulfer221> It will break and freeze in loading if there is no Minecraft.jar file
#468 [07:48] <Andrio|Away> Optifine will work, I think.
#469 [07:48] <lutzee> imperial_1: A make sure the TP is up to date, and make sure if it is a HD tecture pack you have installed either MCpatcher or optifine
#470 [07:48] <quint569> indeed
#471 [07:49] <JamEngulfer221> quint569: Have you checked to see if the Minecraft.jar file is actually in the Minecraft/bin folder, just in case?
#472 [07:49] <quint569> and there is somthing wrong whit another file
#473 [07:49] <quint569> yes
#474 [07:49] <imperial_1> i have downloaded mc patcher do i have to delete the old doku so i dont have it in the texture pack file then patch it then download them agen ?
#475 [07:49] <JamEngulfer221> ok
#476 [07:49] <quint569> but now it sais that there is somthing wrong whit another file
#477 [07:49] <JamEngulfer221> Which file is it?
#478 [07:49] <lutzee> Something is blocking the download JamEngulfer221 and being a new updated OS it's going to be hard to find out
#479 [07:49] <quint569> lwjgl_util.jar or somthing
#480 [07:50] <lutzee> there could be anything blocking it
#481 [07:50] <JamEngulfer221> Ok
#482 [07:50] <lutzee> ahhh it's not grabbing lwjgl
#483 [07:50] <JamEngulfer221> Delete everything inside the /bin folder
#484 [07:50] <JamEngulfer221> and then force update
#485 [07:50] <JamEngulfer221> the Minecraft/bin folder of course
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#487 [07:51] <quint569> and againg thank you so much!
#488 [07:52] <quint569> this time it really worked!
#489 [07:52] <JamEngulfer221> so it definitely worked this time?
#490 [07:52] <JamEngulfer221> Good
#491 [07:52] <quint569> everything is back in my bin file :)
#492 [07:52] <quint569> thank you :)
#493 [07:52] <JamEngulfer221> You're welcome
#494 [07:53] <quint569> so i may download tmi again?
#495 [07:53] <lutzee> um
#496 [07:53] <JamEngulfer221> yeah, just make a backup of your entire /bin folder just in case
#497 [07:53] <lutzee> installing mods on mac is hard and stuff
#498 [07:53] <lutzee> ._.
#499 [07:53] <quint569> alright
#500 [07:53] <JamEngulfer221> No, it's easy enough
#501 [07:53] <quint569> can you give me a link of the best tmi download for mac?
#502 [07:53] <JamEngulfer221> hmm
#503 [07:54] <JamEngulfer221> Well, it's the same for every operating system
#504 [07:54] <quint569> yes i know how to install it but i dont know what is the best one to download
#505 [07:54] <JamEngulfer221> Oh, one second
#506 [07:54] <quint569> just from the forum?
#507 [07:54] <JamEngulfer221> http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/140684-13212w34b-toomanyitems-in-game-invedit-aug-27/
#508 [07:54] <quint569> thanks
#509 [07:55] <quint569> so i just download it, copy al the maps who are in there and paste it in my bin folder?
#510 [07:55] <JamEngulfer221> do you actually know how to install Minecraft mods on the Mac?
#511 [07:55] <quint569> no
#512 [07:55] <JamEngulfer221> no, you don't
#513 [07:55] <quint569> only tmi
#514 [07:55] <quint569> alright xp
#515 [07:55] <quint569> explain me please xp
#516 [07:55] <JamEngulfer221> Ok
#517 [07:56] <JamEngulfer221> download the file for Minecraft 1.3.2
#518 [07:56] <lutzee> Er we really don't support mods here tbh ._. they can cuase more problems than good, ecpecially on mac
#519 [07:56] <quint569> alright wait a sec
#520 [07:57] <quint569> yes?
#521 [07:57] <JamEngulfer221> lutzee: I haven't had many problems with mods so far, I'll just run them through the process
#522 [07:57] <JamEngulfer221> Now you go to your /minecraft/bin folder
#523 [07:57] <quint569> yes
#524 [07:58] <lutzee> JamEngulfer221: ever installed mods on mac? you have to know what to delete, deleting the entire meta_inf will cause problems
#525 [07:58] <JamEngulfer221> make a backup of your minecraft.jar file (copy and paste)
#526 [07:58] <JamEngulfer221> lutzee: I know how to install mods on Mac, it's fine
#527 [07:58] <JamEngulfer221> lutzee I've been doing it for over a year now :P
#528 [07:58] <quint569> yes
#529 [07:59] <JamEngulfer221> now rename Minecraft.jar to Minecraft.jar.zip
#530 [07:59] <quint569> yes
#531 [07:59] <JamEngulfer221> And say Yes, you do want to make it .zip
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#533 [07:59] <quint569> yes
#534 [07:59] <JamEngulfer221> double click on it
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#536 [08:00] <lutzee> A jar file is just a .zip they are the same format and compression
#537 [08:00] <quint569> yes
#538 [08:00] <JamEngulfer221> lutzee: I know, that's why I'm doing it
#539 [08:00] <JamEngulfer221> quint569: Do you now have a folder named minecraft.jer?
#540 [08:00] <JamEngulfer221> *.jar
#541 [08:00] <lutzee> JamEngulfer221: there is no need, you can unpack a jar without it having the .zip extension
#542 [08:00] <quint569> yes
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#544 [08:00] <JamEngulfer221> lutzee: Not on a Mac, Archive utility won't do it properly
#545 [08:01] <quint569> indeed
#546 [08:01] <quint569> or you need the unarchiver
#547 [08:01] <quint569> but this way its easyer
#548 [08:01] <JamEngulfer221> quint569 Now drag all of the files from inside the TMI folder into the minecraft.jar folder
#549 [08:02] <JamEngulfer221> You know, all of the class files and the image
#550 [08:02] <quint569> replace?
#551 [08:02] <lutzee> JamEngulfer221: learn yo use the terminal..
#552 [08:02] <JamEngulfer221> Not the entire TMI folder itself
#553 [08:02] <JamEngulfer221> Yes, replace
#554 [08:02] <quint569> alright
#555 [08:02] <JamEngulfer221> lutzee: With terminal, it's a little less user-friendly
#556 [08:02] <quint569> what now?
#557 [08:02] <JamEngulfer221> Now, find the folder called META-INF
#558 [08:02] <JamEngulfer221> and open it
#559 [08:03] <quint569> yes
#560 [08:03] <JamEngulfer221> Delete the files that AREN'T called Manifest.mf
#561 [08:04] <quint569> the two of mojang?
#562 [08:04] <JamEngulfer221> or something like that, just don't delete the one called Manifesr
#563 [08:04] <JamEngulfer221> Yes, the two Mojang ones
#564 [08:04] <quint569> yes?
#565 [08:04] <JamEngulfer221> Now run Minecraft
#566 [08:04] <lutzee> yes delete the code signatures..
#567 [08:04] <JamEngulfer221> Let's see if I did this properly
#568 [08:04] <JamEngulfer221> :P
#569 [08:04] <quint569> yes it works!
#570 [08:05] <quint569> and what if i want to install mo creatures
#571 [08:05] <quint569> ?
#572 [08:05] <JamEngulfer221> Does Minecraft run properly?
#573 [08:05] <quint569> yes
#574 [08:05] <JamEngulfer221> And you get TMI overlay in-game?
#575 [08:05] <quint569> no black screen and no lagging
#576 [08:05] <quint569> yes
#577 [08:05] <JamEngulfer221> good
#578 [08:06] <quint569> i can choose anny blocks and set time do noon,...
#579 [08:06] <JamEngulfer221> For other mods, you install them in pretty much the same way
#580 [08:06] <quint569> dont i need modloader and audiomod?
#581 [08:06] <JamEngulfer221> Blast, I forgot ModLoader
#582 [08:07] <JamEngulfer221> Yeah
#583 [08:07] <quint569> and audiomod?
#584 [08:07] <JamEngulfer221> Probably
#585 [08:07] <quint569> teach me please :)
#586 [08:07] <JamEngulfer221> I think there's one thing about TMI that needs Modloader, I think it's infinitely refreshing stacks or something
#587 [08:07] <JamEngulfer221> But it's not that important
#588 [08:07] <JamEngulfer221> For other mods, it forks in roughly the same way
#589 [08:07] <JamEngulfer221> *works
#590 [08:08] <lutzee> Audiomod is not nessasarily required also make sure you check _ALL_ the dependencies of a mod
#591 [08:08] <quint569> but everybody sais i have to donwload modloader
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#593 [08:08] <quint569> for mo creatures and stuff
#594 [08:09] <JamEngulfer221> But every time you want to install another mod and you have a minecraft.jar that works, just back up the Minecraft.jar and rename it to something like Minecraft+<mods installed>.jar
#595 [08:09] <quint569> alright
#596 [08:09] <JamEngulfer221> <mods installed> should be a list of all of the mods installed :P
#597 [08:09] <JamEngulfer221> Mod installation works in pretty much the same way for everything
#598 [08:09] <quint569> really?
#599 [08:09] <JamEngulfer221> Most mods also have an install guide
#600 [08:09] <JamEngulfer221> Yeah
#601 [08:10] <quint569> could you please help me only whit mo creatures?
#602 [08:10] <JamEngulfer221> Just if you want to install Buildcraft or Flan's Planes mod, I can't help you, it's too complicated
#603 [08:10] <quint569> alright
#604 [08:10] <quint569> but just whit mo creatures
#605 [08:11] <JamEngulfer221> Mo creatures is currently only for Minecraft 1.2.5
#606 [08:11] <JamEngulfer221> http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/81771-v125-mo-creatures-v371-with-mohorses-donkeys-mules-zebras-zorses-and-extrabiomesxl-support/
#607 [08:11] <quint569> so i cant use it?
#608 [08:11] <JamEngulfer221> No, you can't
#609 [08:11] <quint569> damn
#610 [08:11] <lutzee> buildcraft is easy flans mod is horrible,,
#611 [08:11] <quint569> is there another verry nice mod i should download?
#612 [08:12] <JamEngulfer221> If the version the mod is compatible with is different to the current version, then it won't work
#613 [08:12] <quint569> alright
#614 [08:12] <JamEngulfer221> lutzee: Buildcraft for server made me want to cry. I spent 5 hours trying to get that Sonofabitch to work
#615 [08:12] <quint569> is there another nice mod i should download?
#616 [08:12] <JamEngulfer221> I'm not sure
#617 [08:13] <JamEngulfer221> Whatever mod you like really
#618 [08:13] <JamEngulfer221> I can't think of any at the moment
#619 [08:13] <lutzee> JamEngulfer221: i run a server for my friends with all the tech mods so like 30+
#620 [08:13] <quint569> element arrows
#621 [08:13] <quint569> :)
#622 [08:13] <JamEngulfer221> lutzee: Does that mean you basically run Tekkit, or do you actually run tekkit, or have you got your own custom 'modpack'?
#623 [08:13] <quint569> is that a hard one?
#624 [08:14] <JamEngulfer221> I'm not too sure, I've never tried it
#625 [08:14] <lutzee> JamEngulfer221: i hate tekkit and think it should die in hell :p
#626 [08:14] <quint569> but whit evry mod i just copy paste the files?
#627 [08:14] <JamEngulfer221> yeah
#628 [08:14] <JamEngulfer221> If it says replace, replace
#629 [08:14] <quint569> alright thank you! bye!
#630 [08:14] <JamEngulfer221> And remember to backup your files
#631 [08:14] <JamEngulfer221> Oh
#632 [08:14] <quint569> see you later!!
#633 [08:14] <JamEngulfer221> Wait
#634 [08:15] <JamEngulfer221> One thing to note
#635 [08:15] <quint569> alright!
#636 [08:15] <quint569> yes?
#637 [08:15] <JamEngulfer221> If you open a world and make/put in a modded item, you won't be able to open that world without a modded /jar client
#638 [08:15] <quint569> what?
#639 [08:16] <quint569> xp
#640 [08:16] <JamEngulfer221> So if you want to go into a world you will use in Vanilla later, back it up
#641 [08:17] <quint569> so if i want to mod i always need to use that anilla thing?
#642 [08:17] <quint569> *vanilla
#643 [08:17] <JamEngulfer221> Basically, if you install the elemental arrows mod, and make an elemental arrow, that item won't be recognised by Minecraft if you haven't got the Elemental arrows mod installed and Minecraft will crash
#644 [08:18] <JamEngulfer221> So, if a mod adds something that isn't in the default game, and you open that world with the default game, it won't work
#645 [08:18] <JamEngulfer221> Anyway I have to go now
#646 [08:18] <JamEngulfer221> Goodbye
#647 [08:18] <quint569> so i have to install it and paste the files in minecraft.jar and then?
#648 [08:18] <quint569> bye
#649 [08:18] <quint569> bye
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#654 [08:34] <rymate1234> gah
#655 [08:35] <rymate1234> Why is it that when I''m on my pc, this channel is inactive
#656 [08:35] <rymate1234> and when I'm on mmy android, PEOPLE NEEDING HELP!
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#663 [08:41] <Compodulator> i just lost power for a mere second, my computer shut down, and when it booted up, i found that i lost my main save.
#664 [08:41] <Compodulator> what can be done?
#665 [08:46] <Kanegasi> lost as in its completely gone or just corrupted?
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#668 [08:50] <Compodulator> lost as in gone
#669 [08:51] <Compodulator> disappeared
#670 [08:51] <Necrodoom> off the world list in client?
#671 [08:51] <Compodulator> yup
#672 [08:51] <Necrodoom> ok, go to the save folder in .minecraft
#673 [08:51] <Necrodoom> if you dont know how
#674 [08:51] <Necrodoom> if windows, startup run.exe
#675 [08:51] <Necrodoom> type %appdata%
#676 [08:51] <Compodulator> well it's still there o_O
#677 [08:52] <Necrodoom> oh
#678 [08:52] <Necrodoom> your level.dat may have gone corrupt
#679 [08:52] <Compodulator> this is... interesting...
#680 [08:52] <Necrodoom> you have a level.dat_old
#681 [08:52] <Compodulator> yup
#682 [08:52] <Necrodoom> try rename the old to level.dat
#683 [08:52] <Necrodoom> this means your inventory and position will go back a bit, however
#684 [08:52] <Necrodoom> so keep the level.dat just incase
#685 [08:53] <Compodulator> i don't mind, really...
#686 [08:53] <Compodulator> that didn't quite work...
#687 [08:54] <Kanegasi> when you renamed your old, did you move the other level.dat out of the folder?
#688 [08:54] <Compodulator> yes
#689 [08:54] <Kanegasi> what happened? still didnt show up?
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#691 [08:54] <Compodulator> no, didn't show up.
#692 [08:54] <Compodulator> oh
#693 [08:54] <Kanegasi> ?
#694 [08:54] <Compodulator> there's another level.dat...
#695 [08:55] <Compodulator> in the data folder
#696 [08:55] <Compodulator> wtf
#697 [08:55] <Compodulator> it removed my old level.dat
#698 [08:55] <Compodulator> i put a folder there called bu and it removed the level in it
#699 [08:56] <Kanegasi> try making a new world, exiting out of minecraft, and dropping the level.dat and the players folder into the new world folder
#700 [08:57] <Compodulator> there's no players folder
#701 [08:57] <Kanegasi> what version of minecraft?
#702 [08:57] <Compodulator> 1.2.5
#703 [08:57] <Kanegasi> ahh
#704 [08:57] <Compodulator> acquired to mcnostalgia
#705 [08:58] <Kanegasi> then just the level.dat then into the new world
#706 [08:59] <Kanegasi> you might not spawn right and could be itemless, but the world may load just fine
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#709 [09:02] <Compodulator> well crud
#710 [09:02] <Kanegasi> ?
#711 [09:02] <Compodulator> now we know it's lost forever.
#712 [09:03] <Compodulator> i do believe i have the right to be beyond pissed as hell.
#713 [09:03] <TheNoodle> lol
#714 [09:03] <Kanegasi> :(
#715 [09:04] <Compodulator> anyone, suggest a nice seed?
#716 [09:04] <Kanegasi> got an iphone?
#717 [09:04] <Compodulator> how does the relate to anything?
#718 [09:04] <Kanegasi> the mc seeds app is awesome. lots of good seeds on it
#719 [09:05] <Kanegasi> a lot more organized than any seed site or forum post
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#721 [09:05] <Compodulator> is it free, however?
#722 [09:06] <rymate1234> ewwphone
#723 [09:06] <rymate1234> android ftw!
#724 [09:07] <Kanegasi> had to look it up
#725 [09:07] <Kanegasi> 99 cents
#726 [09:07] <Compodulator> i'm well aware it's a shit phone, rymate1234.
#727 [09:07] <Compodulator> no need to state the obvious.
#728 [09:07] <rymate1234> lol
#729 [09:07] <Kanegasi> ¬_¬
#730 [09:08] <rymate1234> is there not a seeds forum
#731 [09:08] <rymate1234> on the minecraft forums?
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#733 [09:08] <Kanegasi> why yes, captain obvious, there is
#734 [09:09] <Kanegasi> anyways, the app is "seeds - for minecraft" and its officially supported just like the explorer app
#735 [09:09] <rymate1234> so
#736 [09:09] <rymate1234> why would I use an app
#737 [09:09] <rymate1234> when I can get it for basically free
#738 [09:09] <rymate1234> on the forums
#739 [09:10] <Kanegasi> ill pay 99 cents to rifle through an organized collection than wander the local flee market piles
#740 [09:12] <rymate1234> hmmm true
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#743 [09:19] <Nia> Is there a reliable way to restart a server without CP access? The server owner is currently missing, and EE is glitching badly and would require a server restart.
#744 [09:19] <Necrodoom> nope
#745 [09:19] <Necrodoom> unless you are OP
#746 [09:19] <Necrodoom> then /stop
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#748 [09:19] <Nia> Well. I was going to try that.
#749 [09:19] <Nia> But I'm highly worried that it won't actually cause a restart.
#750 [09:20] <Nia> The server is hosted on McProHosting
#751 [09:20] <Compodulator> hah
#752 [09:20] <Compodulator> entertain me here
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#754 [09:20] <Compodulator> make a new world, with the seed, type in IC BC RP TC2
#755 [09:20] <bezaban> there's reload, but that fails with some plugins
#756 [09:20] <Compodulator> i spawned on an ice plane with some chickens under the ice xD
#757 [09:21] <Nia> The server is using Tekkit, and, apparently Forge's Bukkit SMP server prevents /reload use because of it glitching out the mods or something.
#758 [09:21] <bezaban> yeah, reload fails on tekkit
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#760 [09:22] <Necrodoom> so the answer would be nope, then, i guess
#761 [09:23] <bezaban> I have no idea how mcprohosting works, if it kicks it up after a stop
#762 [09:23] <bezaban> but generally it does not
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#764 [09:25] <Nia> What I've gathered from the docs is that it uses Multicraft
#765 [09:25] <Nia> I could intentionally trigger a crash, I guess.
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#769 [09:29] <Amelo90> hello
#770 [09:29] <Amelo90> i need help.. i have buying minecraft vor 2-3 days and i dont became a e-mail for the key...
#771 [09:30] <Nia> Er...?
#772 [09:30] <Nia> Minecraft doesn't use keys....
#773 [09:30] <Amelo90> i have to buy this game and i became this text
#774 [09:31] <Amelo90> sorry i come from germany
#775 [09:31] <Amelo90> Purchase Complete! Thank you for purchasing Minecraft! Your status should update within the hour. Receipt Please save this information, it is useful if you were ever to contact support. Upon processing your payment a receipt regarding the transaction will be sent by e-mail, please store this information as well. ACCOUNT Zensored ORDER Zensored Note: If you tried to cancel your order and still ended up here, that does not mean that you
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#779 [09:32] <Amelo90> my account on minecraft is not premium but i have to buy this game...
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#781 [09:34] <lutzee> Amelo90: often the payment will fail, check you bank account to see if the money has left it, if not then the payment has failed
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#783 [09:35] <Nia> Welp. Just triggered an intentional crash. I hope this works o.o
#784 [09:35] <Amelo90> my bank account is okay but i dont see my money go out for minecraft... also i must try to buy too?
#785 [09:36] <Nia> Amelo90: What did you try doing?
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#787 [09:37] <Amelo90> i try buying minecraft but i wait 2-3 days and i dont can play minecraft user is not premium
#788 [09:37] <lutzee> Amelo90: okay try the payment again, if it fails phone your bank and find out why
#789 [09:37] <Kanegasi> amelo90, is that your minecraft username?
#790 [09:37] <Amelo90> yes
#791 [09:37] <Kanegasi> !paid Amelo90
#792 [09:37] <Kanegasi> :(
#793 [09:38] <Amelo90> i have buy minecraft...
#794 [09:38] <rymate1234> :(
#795 [09:38] <Amelo90> but it was failed or so?
#796 [09:38] <Kanegasi> as lutzee said, if the money has not left your bank, the transaction didnt work. try it again
#797 [09:38] <rymate1234> Amelo90, has the money gone ou of your bank?
#798 [09:38] <Amelo90> no
#799 [09:38] <rymate1234> then it hasn't worked
#800 [09:38] <Amelo90> but i wait 2-3 days
#801 [09:39] <Amelo90> all money is go out but minecraft is not go out,,
#802 [09:39] <Kanegasi> you mean you have waited 2-3 days already?
#803 [09:39] <Amelo90> i hope u understand me...
#804 [09:39] <Amelo90> yes
#805 [09:39] <Amelo90> i have write with the ticket service but she dont ask me...
#806 [09:39] <Amelo90> ähh answer
#807 [09:39] <Kanegasi> "all money is go out" does this mean that your bank account did show a transaction for minecraft?
#808 [09:40] <Amelo90> yes i have checked all wow is going out^^
#809 [09:40] <Amelo90> i have to buy with elv a german pay methode
#810 [09:41] <Amelo90> my girlfriend have buy minecraft and she can in 2 sek playing...
#811 [09:41] <Amelo90> but she have to buy with paypal
#812 [09:41] <Kanegasi> did you receive an email with the tranaction ID?
#813 [09:41] <Kanegasi> *transaction
#814 [09:42] <Amelo90> no i dont have a e-mail but i have a text became bevor i closed the site
#815 [09:42] <Amelo90> this is the text:
#816 [09:42] <Kanegasi> dont paste it
#817 [09:42] <Amelo90> ok
#818 [09:42] <Kanegasi> we saw it. thats just the end of the transaction process, but it means nothing
#819 [09:43] <Amelo90> hmmm...
#820 [09:43] <Amelo90> and what i make to do?
#821 [09:43] <Kanegasi> if i understood you correctly, your account was not debited the money for minecraft, so the transaction failed. just try the payment again
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#823 [09:44] <Amelo90> and what if then 40 euro will be charged?
#824 [09:45] <Kanegasi> then you can contact mojang and they will sort it out by sending you the extra
#825 [09:45] <Kanegasi> but after 2-3 days, i doubt the first attempt didnt work
#826 [09:46] <Kanegasi> let me reword that, after 2-3 days, im sure the first transaction never happened
#827 [09:46] <Amelo90> ok and how do I contact for the case of the events directly to mojang?
#828 [09:46] <Amelo90> i writte with google translator it is easyer for me XD
#829 [09:47] <Kanegasi> they wont be able to help with a failed transaction, but if for some reason you get charged twice, follow this: http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/329760
#830 [09:48] <Amelo90> okay thank you :)
#831 [09:48] <Amelo90> i try it too
#832 [09:49] <Kanegasi> you are welcome
#833 [09:51] <Amelo90> okay i have to try
#834 [09:52] <Amelo90> Now I have to wait or just?
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#836 [09:57] <Amelo90> I hope it works now the've tried more times
#837 [09:57] <Amelo90> I hope it works now the've tried more times
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#840 [10:14] <Amelo90> so i go offline and wait :)
#841 [10:14] <Amelo90> bye and thx :D
#842 [10:14] <Amelo90> bye and thx :D
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#844 [10:17] <bezaban> Failed to verify username! [internal error java.net.ConnectException: Connection timed out]
#845 [10:17] <VoxelHead> bezaban - The Minecraft authentication servers are presently down. Mojang is currently working on fixing them. Please try again later. Single-player should still work in the mean time. This is an automated message.
#846 [10:17] <bezaban> right.
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#848 [10:23] <lutzee> um, auto reply
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#851 [10:24] <lutzee> bezaban: what do you see when you go here http://session.minecraft.net/game/joinserver.jsp?user=Meep&sessionId=test&serverId=test
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#857 [10:30] <Liraxus> Hello?
#858 [10:31] <Liraxus> I'm having a problem trying to save the Minecraft server to a file
#859 [10:31] <Liraxus> It says it can't do that and to contact an administrator
#860 [10:31] <Liraxus> Could someone help me get it to save?
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#863 [10:32] <Liraxus> ...
#864 [10:33] <Liraxus> Anyone?
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#866 [10:33] <Liraxus> :l
#867 [10:34] <Boreeas> Liraxus: Paste the exact error please?
#868 [10:34] <Liraxus> No error
#869 [10:34] <Liraxus> It says i can't save the minecraft_server.exe
#870 [10:34] <Liraxus> and to contact an administrator
#871 [10:35] <Boreeas> Yes, that's called "Error"
#872 [10:35] <Liraxus> ...
#873 [10:35] <Boreeas> A remote server or is it the computer you are working on
#874 [10:35] <Liraxus> It has nothing to do with the server itself
#875 [10:36] <Liraxus> Its saving the server to the computer
#876 [10:36] <Liraxus> It won't let me save the minecraft_server.exe
#877 [10:36] <Boreeas> I mean, what machine are you working on? A remote machine, or the one you are currently working on?
#878 [10:36] <Liraxus> And it said it couldn't save to the computer
#879 [10:36] <Liraxus> A desktop.
#880 [10:36] <Liraxus> Its not a laptopt
#881 [10:36] <Liraxus> And its windows 7
#882 [10:37] <Liraxus> It only asked if i could save it to (computername)
#883 [10:37] <Liraxus> In fact, one sec, lemme test something
#884 [10:37] <Boreeas> Can you please take a screenshot of the message box that appears?
#885 [10:37] <Liraxus> Oh lordy
#886 [10:37] <Liraxus> one moment
#887 [10:38] <Liraxus> Keeps saying something about a source file
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#889 [10:40] <rymate1234> hey!
#890 [10:40] <Liraxus> Hmm
#891 [10:40] <Liraxus> Forget it.
#892 [10:41] <Liraxus> I'll be honest
#893 [10:41] <Liraxus> I was trying to get a server going
#894 [10:41] <Liraxus> So some dude with a cracked copy of minecraft could play mp
#895 [10:41] <Liraxus> I have the legit game myself, traded for it.
#896 [10:41] <Liraxus> But it calls for hamachi to get going the way he wants it
#897 [10:41] <rymate1234> hamachi suck
#898 [10:41] <rymate1234> +s
#899 [10:42] <Liraxus> So never mind.
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#904 [11:06] <Calinou> +1 rymate1234
#905 [11:06] <rymate1234> :D
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#907 [11:18] <Xerae> Hello i have a problem when my friends host a server i can enter it but he cant i really need to know why thanks
#908 [11:21] <lutzee> Xerae: he needs to log in using the server address as 127.0.0.1
#909 [11:21] <lutzee> Asuming that the server is on the same machine he is playing minecraft on
#910 [11:24] <Xerae> So all i tell him to connect to is 127.0.0.1
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#912 [11:25] <lutzee> yeah
#913 [11:26] <Xerae> But not the ip?Like the public ip
#914 [11:27] <Xerae> Cause he tried localhost the public ip all didn work
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#916 [11:27] <Xerae> It say cannot reach server but he can enter other server
#917 [11:28] <Calinou> to connect to his server hosted on *his computer*: 127.0.0.1
#918 [11:29] <Calinou> to connect to another server: the external IP, which can be found on eg. http://youripis.org
#919 [11:29] <Xerae> Alright ill tell him
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#950 [12:42] <Mom> I am trying to sign all my kids in with my electronic visa and it is telling me that I can only use the visa for one account? Really?
#951 [12:43] <lutzee> Mom: er i believe it is a security reason, as players are only meant to have one account each, they give a card a cooldown period between transactions, however you should be able to purchase giftcodes using it and use the giftcodes to activate the accounts
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#953 [12:45] <Mom> Thanks I'll see if I can do that!
#954 [12:46] <Necrodoom> "mom"? for real?
#955 [12:47] <lutzee> Not going to lie, most parents on the internet would do such if they aren't really tech savvy,
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#958 [12:53] <Mom> Okay I went on to gift card and the 1st child I registered on my electronic visa I did a month ago and it keeps saying the visa/ debit card registered already belongs to the 1st kids account. I am very frustrated because I bought a big amount electronic visa just for this purpose and now I cant
#959 [12:54] <Mom> Register the rest of my kids
#960 [12:55] <lutzee> wait, is that a prepaid card?
#961 [12:55] <Mom> Yes
#962 [12:55] <lutzee> Ah... there is known problems with prepaid cards...
#963 [12:56] <Mom> It is a visa you buy at the grocery store that says gift card
#964 [12:56] <Morrolan> They tend not to work for international purchases, due to fraud prevention.
#965 [12:56] <lutzee> Yes.. they don't work very well for international transactions
#966 [12:57] <Mom> But it worked for the 1st child
#967 [12:57] <lutzee> Mom, it is advised you use either credit/debit card or paypal
#968 [12:57] <Morrolan> Mom - What is the exact error message you get, anyway?
#969 [12:58] <Mom> It says this debit/ visa card has already been used for this other kids account. Enter his password or cancel
#970 [12:59] <Morrolan> Are you sure that this is the _exact_ error message you get?
#971 [12:59] <Morrolan> Also, where do you get it? And what are you trying to do?
#972 [12:59] <Mom> O and can't use for another account
#973 [13:00] <Mom> No not exact but I bought it from superstore
#974 [13:00] <Morrolan> When do you get that error message? What have you been trying to do before you got it?
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#977 [13:01] <Mom> I enter 2nd child's info and when I submitt that is when the say they can't do the transaction because the card belongs to the first child's account
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#979 [13:02] <Morrolan> Prepaid cards don't get associated with any sort of Minecraft account.
#980 [13:02] <Morrolan> They are merely used as payment.
#981 [13:03] <Morrolan> What EXACTLY are you trying to do? Are you buying a gift code? Are you trying to buy a premium account? When do you get the error message? What error message? Be specific for once, please.
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#983 [13:08] <Morrolan> Actually, let's do it another way. Create the account for the second child at http://www.minecraft.net/register
#984 [13:08] <Morrolan> Then log in with that account
#985 [13:09] <Morrolan> Then go to http://www.minecraft.net/store and select "Buy Minecraft for this account"
#986 [13:09] <Morrolan> <+Morrolan> Then pay with a prepaid credit card which has not been used yet.
#987 [13:09] <Mom> Sorry but I thought I was being specific I am trying to buy minecraft for my children one month ago my first child bought it off the computer with our electronic visa gift card we bought from superstore. He was able to purchase it and now I am trying to purchase it again for my 2 nd child with the same card when I place the order with the 2nd child's separate email and password but same electronic visa/ gift card
#988 [13:10] <Morrolan> Uh, any chance that the prepaid card you're using does not have enough money on it?
#989 [13:10] <Mom> When I purchase it it says I cannot because the card I am using has already been used for my 1st child's account
#990 [13:11] <Morrolan> That is not Minecraft doing it then.
#991 [13:11] <Morrolan> If it actually says that, it's either the credit card provider doing something odd, or there simply isn't enough money on the card.
#992 [13:11] <Mom> The card I am using is 100.00 and we have only used it for the first child's account.
#993 [13:12] <Morrolan> Could you show me the exact error message you get? (That is, copy-paste it)
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#995 [13:14] <PatsLuva3156> Hi
#996 [13:14] <Mom> I'll try. Now I'm stressed that you've said that cause I let my older children try to purchase it for my younger child and they said it wasn't working. Is it possible they did and we don't know it how do I find out how many I've purchased on that visa
#997 [13:15] <PatsLuva3156> Does anyone have like a SMP duplication exploit they can tell me about? (If its allowed)
#998 [13:15] <Morrolan> PatsLuva3156 - Don't know of any which exist currently, but #minecraft might be better suited.
#999 [13:15] <Morrolan> Mom - You can't buy Minecraft for one account more than once, so you'll have it bought once, at most.
#1000 [13:16] <PatsLuva3156> Alright, and thank you alot for helping as much as you can <3
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#1004 [13:21] <PatsLuva3156> Shit i couldn't find one on #minecraft either, lol. I thought that after 2 weeks of looking IRC chat would help D=
#1005 [13:22] <PatsLuva3156> Do any of you recommend another channel to look on?
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#1007 [13:22] <Mom> Payment to minecraft.net Total Payable :26.95 USD More information Transaction not allowed The credit/debit card number you have submitted has already been registered on an account: vcolton44@gmail.com. If you have opened this account please login. If you have forgotten your password, please click here to recover it. CANCEL
#1008 [13:23] <Mom> That is the copy paste
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#1011 [13:25] <PatsLuva3156> I'm just going to use google to try and find an exploit... again
#1012 [13:25] <Mom> Morrrolan r u there I have appreciated your help
#1013 [13:27] <Dad> Hi Mom
#1014 [13:28] <Dad> jk
#1015 [13:28] <PatsLuva3156> Lol
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#1017 [13:29] <corkscrewnebula> i need help getting MC to work in gnome
#1018 [13:30] <Boreeas> java -jar path/to/launcher.jar
#1019 [13:30] <Mom> How do I get back the person who was helping me a few min. Ago has he left or am I on a different chat
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#1021 [13:30] <Selbram> It is the same chat.
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#1023 [13:31] <mathijsrogier> we have a problem starting the game. We only see a black window. Can you help us?
#1024 [13:32] <Mom> Thanks so can someone help me I copy pasted the message I was asked to copy
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#1035 [13:39] <lutzee> Mom: okay, i suspect that the card might be physically registered to the email address, which is causing the problems, your best---
#1036 [13:39] <lutzee> -.-
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#1041 [13:45] <SkyFall01> Hello
#1042 [13:45] <lutzee> hey
#1043 [13:45] <SkyFall01> I need help
#1044 [13:46] <SkyFall01> My minecraft wont let me log in
#1045 [13:46] <SkyFall01> And ive tried to delete my .monecraft file
#1046 [13:46] <SkyFall01> .minecraft file
#1047 [13:46] <SkyFall01> What do i do?
#1048 [13:46] <Selbram> What is the error it gives you?
#1049 [13:46] <SkyFall01> There is none
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#1051 [13:47] <Selbram> Then how do you know it won't let you log in?
#1052 [13:47] <SkyFall01> It just doesnt load up the news and doesnt let me log in
#1053 [13:47] <lutzee> ahh
#1054 [13:47] <SkyFall01> It says play offline or try again
#1055 [13:47] <lutzee> okay
#1056 [13:47] <lutzee> SkyFall01: uninstall all versions of java you have installed
#1057 [13:47] <lutzee> then install java 6 from here:
#1058 [13:47] <lutzee> ?? java/1.6
#1059 [13:47] <VoxelHead> java/1.6: You can get the latest release of Java 1.6 here: http://java.com/en/download/manual_v6.jsp
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#1061 [13:48] <SkyFall01> Okay, thanks
#1062 [13:48] <SkyFall01> Ill try it now
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#1069 [14:01] <SkyFall01> So that link is all i need to get it working?
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#1073 [14:11] <qwertytrains> Yes probably
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#1077 [14:31] <PapaGarnacha> Hello. Whenever I open my inventory and move my mouse, Minecraft crashes. On previous versions, this has been solved with patches which have involved me deleting bits of the jar file etc., but does anyone know where I can get a patch/fix for the latest version?
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#1086 [14:49] <shilps> ive feed an oceolot two stacks of fish. its still not tamed
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#1099 [15:06] <eirik567> hey. I cant open my chest in smp do any of u know how 2 fix it?
#1100 [15:07] <zen> A) is nothing blocking the chest above, B) do you crash? C) is the server modded at all?
#1101 [15:08] <eirik567> i am just playing on a normal server fresh minecraft but i cant get to grab the stuff
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#1103 [15:08] <ihdcool09> Is the server home hosted?
#1104 [15:09] <ihdcool09> It could be lag
#1105 [15:09] <eirik567> no its on every server
#1106 [15:09] <eirik567> and no lag
#1107 [15:09] <eirik567> cuz my friend can get the stuff but i cant
#1108 [15:09] <eirik567> been like this for days....
#1109 [15:10] <qwertytrains> Hmm
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#1111 [15:10] <qwertytrains> Someone may have protected the chest
#1112 [15:10] <qwertytrains> Are you playing on a Bukkit servr
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#1114 [15:10] <qwertytrains> Server
#1115 [15:10] <eirik567> nope its on vanilla servers too
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#1117 [15:11] <eirik567> i have also reinstalled minecraft like 10 times
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#1121 [15:12] <qwertytrains> Ask the server owner or an admin
#1122 [15:12] <qwertytrains> It may be a server error
#1123 [15:12] <qwertytrains> Tell them your
#1124 [15:12] <eirik567> its on every server
#1125 [15:12] <qwertytrains> Problem in detail and they may be able to
#1126 [15:13] <qwertytrains> Sigh sorry about several messages
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#1128 [15:13] <qwertytrains> Instead of reinstalling minecraft try just force updating it
#1129 [15:14] <eirik567> i did
#1130 [15:14] <eirik567> and after that i delted .minecraft
#1131 [15:14] <Selbram> Have you ever opened a chest?
#1132 [15:14] <undead> Then you have to reinstall minecraft
#1133 [15:14] <eirik567> Yup
#1134 [15:15] <eirik567> i have opend chest befor like one million times
#1135 [15:15] <eirik567> but i cant get the stuff in to the chest or out
#1136 [15:15] <Selbram> Does the chest interface come up with you click on it?
#1137 [15:16] <Selbram> *when
#1138 [15:16] <Selbram> And you can see the items in the chest. Hmm...
#1139 [15:16] <eirik567> and the chest is like open for 1 sec then it closes
#1140 [15:17] <eirik567> but i can still look in it
#1141 [15:17] <qwertytrains> Error with your java?
#1142 [15:17] <qwertytrains> Perhaps
#1143 [15:17] <eirik567> nope just updated it
#1144 [15:17] <qwertytrains> What java
#1145 [15:17] <Selbram> 1.6?
#1146 [15:17] <eirik567> 1.7
#1147 [15:18] <qwertytrains> You just updated java
#1148 [15:18] <qwertytrains> Probably why them
#1149 [15:18] <eirik567> updated it for a month ago befor
#1150 [15:18] <Selbram> remove 1.7 and go to latest 1.6
#1151 [15:18] <qwertytrains> Then it might be a glitchy version
#1152 [15:18] <eirik567> hmmmmmm
#1153 [15:18] <qwertytrains> Get 1.6 and not 1.7
#1154 [15:18] <qwertytrains> If
#1155 [15:18] <undead> Latest version of java works for me
#1156 [15:18] <eirik567> but i could open chests for a week ago
#1157 [15:19] <eirik567> I got The Latest
#1158 [15:19] <qwertytrains> Minecraft update?
#1159 [15:19] <undead> Java 7 update 6 ?
#1160 [15:19] <eirik567> The Newest java is 7
#1161 [15:19] <eirik567> and i got that
#1162 [15:19] <undead> what update
#1163 [15:20] <eirik567> the newest
#1164 [15:20] <eirik567> 1.7.0_05
#1165 [15:20] <undead> Try minecraft in your browser
#1166 [15:20] <undead> if you have the same problem then its your java
#1167 [15:20] <qwertytrains> And don't mod it of you have
#1168 [15:21] <qwertytrains> *if
#1169 [15:21] <eirik567> It Dosent work in browser eithet
#1170 [15:21] <qwertytrains> Stupid autocorrect
#1171 [15:21] <eirik567> either*
#1172 [15:21] <eirik567> and my friend tryied on my computer for 5 mins ago and it worked for him
#1173 [15:22] <qwertytrains> ?
#1174 [15:22] <eirik567> its like a problem on my accounts
#1175 [15:22] <qwertytrains> Hmm
#1176 [15:22] <eirik567> account*
#1177 [15:22] <qwertytrains> Contact mojang
#1178 [15:22] <qwertytrains> That's your best bet
#1179 [15:22] <eirik567> i have tryied but i dont know the mail
#1180 [15:22] <eirik567> ...
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#1182 [15:23] <qwertytrains> Go onto the website
#1183 [15:24] <eirik567> then
#1184 [15:24] <qwertytrains> Www.mojang.com
#1185 [15:24] <eirik567> yes
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#1192 [15:34] <WoM-Guest> is there any way to create a compact very long delay timer that could be used to set off tnt 10 minutes after started ?
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#1197 [15:37] <WoM-Guest> anybody ?
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#1200 [15:38] <pyro> it needs to be at least 10 minutes the more the better
#1201 [15:43] <GreyVulpine> Sure
#1202 [15:43] <TheNoodle> An intricate series of tunnels that go from sky to bedrock
#1203 [15:44] <GreyVulpine> Items disappear after 5 minutes. Sensor -> Dispenser -> plate -> RS Nor latch -> repeat
#1204 [15:44] <TheNoodle> send lava down them (or a chicken) with a pressure plate at the bottom
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#1207 [15:49] <sunyshoremon> how do you take away the joined the game and left the game messages in mc
#1208 [15:49] <GreyVulpine> As an admin, or as a player?
#1209 [15:49] <sunyshoremon> in general..
#1210 [15:50] <GreyVulpine> It isn't possible in vanilla, you would have to look for a mod or plugin
#1211 [15:50] <sunyshoremon> like no " {player} joined the game" and "{player} left the game" at all
#1212 [15:50] <GreyVulpine> You would need to have a mod or plugin
#1213 [15:50] <Boreeas> Clientside might actually be easier, if you just want it for yourself to hide unnecessary stuff
#1214 [15:51] <GreyVulpine> If you wanted it on a bukkit server, look at vanish no packet: http://dev.bukkit.org/server-mods/vanish/
#1215 [15:51] <sunyshoremon> no i want my server not to have it ..
#1216 [15:51] <sunyshoremon> like none of those msgs what so ever
#1217 [15:51] <GreyVulpine> Otherwise.. look at: http://forums.bukkit.org/threads/admn-chat-hidestream-v2-2-hide-join-quit-leave-stream-1-3-1-r1-0.65034/
#1218 [15:52] <GreyVulpine> Note, you will need to be running bukkit to run this plugin
#1219 [15:54] <sunyshoremon> yeh i run it
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#1227 [16:08] <chase_> how come everytime i press f!! to go to full screen the screen freezes and turns white
#1228 [16:09] <chase_> how come everytime i press f11 to go to full screen the screen freezes and turns white... sorry
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#1243 [16:22] <Boreeas> We have answers
#1244 [16:22] <Boreeas> Not necessarily to the question you asked, but definitely answers
#1245 [16:23] <anax> I have lost my jar! I have mods installed,
#1246 [16:23] <anax> I have show hidden files checked
#1247 [16:23] <zen> first, we can't support mods, but we can help you get your jar back
#1248 [16:23] <zen> ?? forceupdate
#1249 [16:23] <VoxelHead> forceupdate: You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#1250 [16:23] <VoxelHead> forceupdate: To do so, start Minecraft, press 'Options' (above the 'Login' button), Press 'Force update!', then press 'Done', and login to Minecraft.
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#1252 [16:24] <anax> is there a way to do that without updating to 3.2?
#1253 [16:27] <Boreeas> Nope
#1254 [16:27] <Boreeas> Except if you want to revert to one of the public prereleases
#1255 [16:27] <Boreeas> http://assets.minecraft.net
#1256 [16:28] <anax> I see, thanks for the assistance
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#1263 [16:54] <chaioaa> heelo
#1264 [16:54] <chaioaa> can someone help me with somthing?
#1265 [16:54] <chaioaa> minecraft isn't working on win7
#1266 [16:54] <chaioaa> it just closes after updating and a text error log appears.
#1267 [16:54] <chaioaa> can someone help me out?
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#1271 [17:01] <RayRay> I have a quick question regarding javaFX, do I need it to run Minecraft? I do have the latest version of Java but was wondering if I needed FX since it was installed on my computer as well.
#1272 [17:01] <darkmagican2> I can't buy it for some reason, there is always an error
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#1277 [17:08] <Guest> i need some help with snapshot problems
#1278 [17:08] <Guest> meh
#1279 [17:08] <Guest> nevermind
#1280 [17:08] <Guest> bye
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#1309 [18:09] <ExeciN> After adding a texturepack url on my server, I just get stuck on Downloading texture pack, Making request... 100%. what am I doing wrong?
#1310 [18:11] <Richard_Dain> ok, so i have a friend, he can't log on to servers, not even hosted by himself via localhost. if he hosts a server, i can't connect either. we are using hamachi, i thought this would stop any firewall issues, but this seems like one. what are we doing wrong?
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#1313 [18:19] <ExeciN> your friend should forward the port his/her server is using to the device that keeps the MC server
#1314 [18:19] <DopeGhoti> ??> Richard_Dain fubar/hamachi
#1315 [18:19] <VoxelHead> Richard_Dain: (fubar/hamachi) Hamachi has been squatting on a previously unallocated IP address space. This block of addresses, 5.0.0.0/8, has been allocated by IANA. As such, Hamachi conflicts with the internet. As such, #MineCraftHelp will neither support nor assist with server network issues for hosts using Hamachi for connectivity.
#1316 [18:19] <VoxelHead> Richard_Dain: (fubar/hamachi) If you are using Hamachi, use a different solution such as proper port forwarding, or a VPN.
#1317 [18:20] <Richard_Dain> he can't, he's on the universities internet
#1318 [18:20] <Richard_Dain> i suppose that's the awnser then
#1319 [18:24] <Richard_Dain> ..but wait, why wouldn't he be able to connect using 'localhost'? i thought that wouldn't go through a firewall at all?
#1320 [18:26] <ExeciN> is he able to authenticate? what is the error that he gets?
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#1324 [18:29] <Richard_Dain> ExeciN: he got a authenticate error, yeah, i think so.
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#1326 [18:29] <Richard_Dain> i forgot about that bit
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#1329 [18:31] <wilma> Having problem wtih minecraft every time I login I just get a black or white screen?
#1330 [18:34] <Richard_Dain> wilma: have you tried forcing an update?
#1331 [18:34] <wilma> what does this means?
#1332 [18:35] <ExeciN> Richard_Dain: Is he using a launcher or vanilla MC?
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#1335 [18:35] <Richard_Dain> i think he is using multimc
#1336 [18:36] <Kanegasi> ??> wilma forceupdate
#1337 [18:36] <VoxelHead> wilma: (forceupdate) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#1338 [18:36] <VoxelHead> wilma: (forceupdate) To do so, start Minecraft, press 'Options' (above the 'Login' button), Press 'Force update!', then press 'Done', and login to Minecraft.
#1339 [18:36] <ExeciN> Richard_Dain: Try vanilla at first and if it works move on
#1340 [18:37] <Richard_Dain> alright, i'll try that next time
#1341 [18:37] <ExeciN> After adding a texturepack url on my server, I just get stuck on "Downloading texture pack, Making request... 100%." what am I doing wrong?
#1342 [18:38] <Kanegasi> are you using avg for an antivirus?
#1343 [18:38] <ExeciN> Kanegasi: me?
#1344 [18:38] <Kanegasi> yes
#1345 [18:38] <ExeciN> I am a Mac user
#1346 [18:38] <Kanegasi> oh, sorry
#1347 [18:38] <Kanegasi> i have no experience with mac :(
#1348 [18:39] <ExeciN> it doesn't really matter. Java binaries run under a VM anyway.
#1349 [18:40] <Richard_Dain> ExeciN: ok, that didn't change anything, still same error
#1350 [18:41] <ExeciN> Richard_Dain: he got the same error with vanilla MC?
#1351 [18:41] <Richard_Dain> yeah
#1352 [18:42] <ExeciN> try to connect to a public server just to make sure you can connect
#1353 [18:43] <Richard_Dain> when i hosted a server, which i was able to connect to myself fine, and others have before, he couldn't either
#1354 [18:43] <ExeciN> now that I think of it, it wont make any difference since he got authentication error
#1355 [18:43] <ExeciN> Is he a premium user?
#1356 [18:44] <Richard_Dain> of course he is
#1357 [18:44] <Richard_Dain> he's been on servers before
#1358 [18:44] <Richard_Dain> this is something that just startedn happening
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#1360 [18:46] <ExeciN> does he have to put his username and password when he launches MC? If not, that's not pure MC.
#1361 [18:46] <wilma> hello again did try with force update but the result was the same, still just a black screen in the game screen
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#1366 [18:48] <mpd326> Hi I am running a server on yam for my friend and I try to log on to it but I cant. But my friend that owns the server can. Have any suggestions?
#1367 [18:49] <TheNoodle> ...yam?
#1368 [18:49] <Richard_Dain> ExeciN: yes, he does have to put in his username and password. i've seen him do it via screensharing.
#1369 [18:50] <ExeciN> Richard_Dain: then his connection is probably filtered
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#1371 [18:51] <Richard_Dain> it being a university internet connection, that's probably the case.
#1372 [18:51] <Richard_Dain> is there no way around that?
#1373 [18:51] <Richard_Dain> for him to at least join a server?
#1374 [18:51] <mpd326> What do you mean? My internet connection does not work?
#1375 [18:52] <superkabii> he wasn't talking to you
#1376 [18:52] <ExeciN> Richard_Dain: i don't really know
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#1378 [18:53] <ExeciN> Richard_Dain: try asking the guys at ##networking on freenode
#1379 [18:53] <mpd326> You talking to me?
#1380 [18:54] <NinjaKirby> What was that?
#1381 [18:59] <mpd326> Which one is talking to me?
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#1385 [19:02] <ExeciN> mpd326: mpd326 I never responded to you mpd326 (except now mpd326)
#1386 [19:02] <mpd326> Ok
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#1388 [19:05] <mpd326> Is someone going to answer me?
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#1392 [19:08] <mpd326> Hi I am running a server on yam for my friend and I try to log on to it but I cant. But my friend that owns the server can. Have any suggestions?
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#1394 [19:10] <patfreak> is minecraft's pay =ment process down?
#1395 [19:13] <patfreak> there seems to be a problem paying for it in any way
#1396 [19:14] <patfreak> hello???
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#1398 [19:15] <Pandemic2all> Can someone help me?
#1399 [19:15] <patfreak> just ask the question
#1400 [19:15] <Pandemic2all> I keep getting an error when i try to connect to minecraft servers it auto closes itself and makes a...
#1401 [19:16] <Pandemic2all> gs_err_pid file thing
#1402 [19:16] <Pandemic2all> *hs_err_pid
#1403 [19:16] <Pandemic2all> do you want me to show you what it says someone about java runtime environment
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#1405 [19:16] <MCDanny> hey grim, you there?
#1406 [19:17] <lutzee> Pandemic2all: can you copy the contents of that file to pastebin.com press submit then copy the link you get in the address bar to here
#1407 [19:17] <lutzee> patfreak: what problems are you having?
#1408 [19:17] <Pandemic2all> sure just give me one minute
#1409 [19:17] <WhereIsMySpoon> im sure i used to be voiced here
#1410 [19:17] <MCDanny> hmm seems like grim isnt here...
#1411 [19:17] <WhereIsMySpoon> :S
#1412 [19:18] <MCDanny> can anyone else help me then?
#1413 [19:18] <WhereIsMySpoon> sup MCDanny
#1414 [19:18] <MCDanny> hi
#1415 [19:18] <Pandemic2all> http://pastebin.com/SnwAM52q
#1416 [19:18] <MCDanny> thanks for helping me im really frustrated
#1417 [19:18] <Pandemic2all> i think that's it the title should be 'problem'
#1418 [19:19] <Pandemic2all> P.S. this only happens when i connect to servers
#1419 [19:19] <lutzee> Pandemic2all: reinstall java
#1420 [19:19] <Pandemic2all> how do i do that just uninstall and then go to java.com
#1421 [19:19] <Pandemic2all> ?
#1422 [19:19] <lutzee> yes
#1423 [19:19] <WhereIsMySpoon> Pandemic2all: yep
#1424 [19:19] <lutzee> but install java6
#1425 [19:19] <lutzee> ?? java/1.6
#1426 [19:19] <VoxelHead> java/1.6: You can get the latest release of Java 1.6 here: http://java.com/en/download/manual_v6.jsp
#1427 [19:19] <MCDanny> my problem is that every 10 - 15 seconds my fps in mc go down from 100 - 300 to about 15 - 30 for about 6 - 8 seconds
#1428 [19:19] <Pandemic2all> ok thank you i will try that
#1429 [19:19] <MCDanny> this started in 1.2.5
#1430 [19:19] <WhereIsMySpoon> MCDanny: you sure you have the RAM and CPU to handle mc?
#1431 [19:19] <lutzee> MCDanny: did grim get a dxdiag report from you?
#1432 [19:20] <WhereIsMySpoon> and have you tried it on normal render distance
#1433 [19:20] <Pandemic2all> should i uninstall the runtime and the updates aswell
#1434 [19:20] <MCDanny> yes i gave him a dxdiag he said that my pc could easily handle mc with a hd texture pack
#1435 [19:20] <Pandemic2all> should i uninstall the runtime and the updates aswell
#1436 [19:20] <Pandemic2all> oops sorry
#1437 [19:20] <Pandemic2all> didn't mean to post twice
#1438 [19:20] <WhereIsMySpoon> MCDanny: does this happen if you put it on normal or short render distance?
#1439 [19:20] <MCDanny> and i usually play it with a 256x256 texture with 100 fps
#1440 [19:20] <lutzee> Pandemic2all: uninstall everthing refering to java
#1441 [19:20] <Pandemic2all> ok
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#1443 [19:21] <ExeciN> what texture pack resolutions can be used without modding?
#1444 [19:21] <undead> How do i create a mod for minecraft ?
#1445 [19:21] <MCDanny> my render distance is currently at normal. i tried to put it down to short and tiny put that didnt stop the lag at all
#1446 [19:21] <WhereIsMySpoon> MCDanny: tried reinstalling java and minecraft?
#1447 [19:22] <lutzee> ExeciN: 16x and below
#1448 [19:22] <MCDanny> nope i reinstalled mc but not java because seriously? i don't think that would do anything..
#1449 [19:22] <lutzee> MCDanny: you'll be surprised
#1450 [19:22] <MCDanny> i mean im not an expert but i know a bit and from my experience that shouldn't help much :(
#1451 [19:23] <WhereIsMySpoon> MCDanny: what lutzee said
#1452 [19:23] <MCDanny> k i'll try it but still i don't think its gonna change much
#1453 [19:23] <WhereIsMySpoon> it might not but it puts you on a level playing field at least
#1454 [19:23] <WhereIsMySpoon> MCDanny: and try it without any mods/texture packs
#1455 [19:23] <WhereIsMySpoon> after the java reinstall
#1456 [19:23] <MCDanny> ok ill try it im uninstalling right now
#1457 [19:24] <WhereIsMySpoon> then try fiddling with the video settings
#1458 [19:24] <Pandemic2all> it worked thank you thank you thank you soooo much! <3
#1459 [19:24] <WhereIsMySpoon> turn gfx from fancy/fast, smooth lighting, etc, all teh settings
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#1461 [19:24] <WhereIsMySpoon> Pandemic2all: :)
#1462 [19:24] <Pandemic2all> ily helpy people
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#1464 [19:25] <MCDanny> my video settings are: smooth lighting - on(turning it off didnt do anything but make the game look ugly) graphics - fast(fancy decreases my fps by 10 for some reason) particles - all
#1465 [19:25] <MCDanny> fov - quake pro
#1466 [19:25] <Martok88> hi, i need help figuring out if a gift code is valid. on my account page it just says "gift codes", not "unused" or "you have sent the game to..."
#1467 [19:25] <WhereIsMySpoon> MCDanny: turn all the gfx settings to the lowest possible
#1468 [19:25] <WhereIsMySpoon> then see if the problem still persists
#1469 [19:25] <MCDanny> tried that, didnt do much
#1470 [19:25] <WhereIsMySpoon> if it doesnt, then turn them on one by one
#1471 [19:26] <MCDanny> i tried that yesterday :P
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#1473 [19:26] <WhereIsMySpoon> ok
#1474 [19:26] <lutzee> Wow, that hs_err_pid file from pandemic was the oddest one i had seen, it wasn't a bad memory location, or bad videocard problems, i'm sureprised java even started
#1475 [19:26] <lutzee> okay, no by the looks of it, 100fps means a decent machine
#1476 [19:27] <lutzee> MCDanny: you have the latest video card drivers right?
#1477 [19:27] <MCDanny> maybe this helps you help me: when i look at the lagometer during the lag sessions it looks like 50 lagspikes of death :P
#1478 [19:27] <MCDanny> yep
#1479 [19:27] <MCDanny> im always up to date
#1480 [19:27] <WhereIsMySpoon> MCDanny: my friend has this problem as well, and i used to get it
#1481 [19:27] <MCDanny> btw sometimes i even have 400 fps :P
#1482 [19:27] <WhereIsMySpoon> i dont anymore
#1483 [19:28] <lutzee> MCDanny: what HD texture mod are you using?
#1484 [19:28] <WhereIsMySpoon> MCDanny: this problem happens with completely vanilla mc, right?
#1485 [19:28] <WhereIsMySpoon> or just with the pack
#1486 [19:28] <MCDanny> none at the moment because i thought that might suddenly caused the lag but it didnt
#1487 [19:28] <undead> Did you buy the gift code ?
#1488 [19:28] <lutzee> MCDanny: try using optifine
#1489 [19:28] <MCDanny> yep my server is vanilla and my game is vanilla.. just tmi
#1490 [19:28] <MCDanny> i tried optifine
#1491 [19:28] <MCDanny> didnt help at all
#1492 [19:28] <MCDanny> in fact it even made it worse
#1493 [19:29] <lutzee> try the smooth version it's often the best
#1494 [19:29] <undead> what is pptifine in the first place ?
#1495 [19:30] <WhereIsMySpoon> MCDanny: can you open up task manager for me
#1496 [19:30] <MCDanny> open
#1497 [19:30] <WhereIsMySpoon> then go to performance tab - when mc's fps tanks, see if cpu shoots up
#1498 [19:30] <MCDanny> k i still have to wait for my java dl
#1499 [19:30] <WhereIsMySpoon> shoots up = over 20% jump
#1500 [19:30] <lutzee> undead: its a performance boosting + HD texture and other stuff mod
#1501 [19:30] <WhereIsMySpoon> np
#1502 [19:30] <MCDanny> im downloading several files
#1503 [19:31] <WhereIsMySpoon> MCDanny: how many sticks of ram do you have
#1504 [19:31] <MCDanny> dunno, all i know is that i have 5gb
#1505 [19:31] <MCDanny> its a notebook :P
#1506 [19:32] <lutzee> 5gb? thats odd
#1507 [19:32] <WhereIsMySpoon> o.o
#1508 [19:32] <WhereIsMySpoon> 5gb?
#1509 [19:32] <MCDanny> ?
#1510 [19:32] <lutzee> ??> MCDanny win/dxdiag
#1511 [19:32] <VoxelHead> MCDanny: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#1512 [19:32] <VoxelHead> MCDanny: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#1513 [19:32] <MCDanny> whys that odd
#1514 [19:32] <lutzee> really odd number
#1515 [19:32] <WhereIsMySpoon> cause its usually 1/2/4/8
#1516 [19:32] * lutzee has 2.5 ;)
#1516 [19:32] <WhereIsMySpoon> what on earth for
#1517 [19:32] <MCDanny> well my software says 4 but its exaclty around 4600 something so id say 5gb :P
#1518 [19:32] <WhereIsMySpoon> ok no thats 4
#1519 [19:33] <lutzee> if your software says 4 you have 4
#1520 [19:33] <WhereIsMySpoon> its just that 1gb != 1000mb
#1521 [19:33] <MCDanny> so what are the other 640 or so for?
#1522 [19:33] * andrewkm|away is now known as :andrewkm
#1523 [19:33] <MCDanny> nope 1gb = 1024 mb
#1524 [19:33] <WhereIsMySpoon> hm
#1525 [19:33] <WhereIsMySpoon> still, 4600 is a bit higher
#1526 [19:33] <WhereIsMySpoon> than it should be
#1527 [19:34] <MCDanny> and i have exactly 4657
#1528 [19:34] <MCDanny> lol strange
#1529 [19:34] <MCDanny> i just found out
#1530 [19:34] <MCDanny> i think the software tells me some wrong info here...
#1531 [19:34] <lutzee> MCDanny: complete the dxdiag report please
#1532 [19:34] * thebadshepperd is now known as :TheBadShepperd
#1533 [19:34] <MCDanny> windows y u tell me falso informacione D:
#1534 [19:35] <WhereIsMySpoon> windows is teh suck thats why
#1535 [19:35] <WhereIsMySpoon> but please give the dxdiag
#1536 [19:35] <MCDanny> hmm k wait a sec
#1537 [19:35] <MCDanny> dafuq dxdiag says i have 5877
#1538 [19:35] <MCDanny> this is madness!!
#1539 [19:36] <WhereIsMySpoon> :L
#1540 [19:36] <WhereIsMySpoon> MCDanny: please pastebin the dxdiag
#1541 [19:36] <MCDanny> oh sry my mistake xD i read the wrong line
#1542 [19:36] <MCDanny> sorry
#1543 [19:36] <MCDanny> sorry
#1544 [19:36] <WhereIsMySpoon> this is why we ask for a pastebin :p
#1545 [19:36] <WhereIsMySpoon> you're probably reading product types
#1546 [19:37] <MCDanny> http://pastebin.com/ZvtZKSBy
#1547 [19:37] <WhereIsMySpoon> 1.7ghz isnt very much =/
#1548 [19:37] <WhereIsMySpoon> MCDanny: Memory: 4096MB RAM
#1549 [19:37] <WhereIsMySpoon> Available OS Memory: 4020MB RAM
#1550 [19:37] <WhereIsMySpoon> thats your ram, which is 4gb
#1551 [19:37] <MCDanny> huh? my sticker on the machine says i have about 2.2
#1552 [19:38] <MCDanny> yep 2.20
#1553 [19:38] <MCDanny> dat software..
#1554 [19:38] <MCDanny> rawr
#1555 [19:38] <WhereIsMySpoon> you cant have 2.20gb ram
#1556 [19:38] <MCDanny> xD
#1557 [19:38] <MCDanny> not ram
#1558 [19:38] <MCDanny> ghz
#1559 [19:38] <MCDanny> xD
#1560 [19:38] <WhereIsMySpoon> Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU Q 740 @ 1.73GHz (8 CPUs), ~1.7GHz
#1561 [19:38] <WhereIsMySpoon> 2.20 is prolly overclock max
#1562 [19:38] <MCDanny> yeah i read it
#1563 [19:39] <MCDanny> on the sticker it says bla bla intel core i 7 2.20 ghz
#1564 [19:39] <WhereIsMySpoon> i would say that your cpu might well be the problem here
#1565 [19:39] <WhereIsMySpoon> your gfx card and ram are fine
#1566 [19:39] <NinjaKirby> It's just to bleedin' powerful
#1567 [19:39] <WhereIsMySpoon> MCDanny: java finished yet?
#1568 [19:39] <NinjaKirby> Java feels a sense of vertigo at the towering beast which is your i7
#1569 [19:39] <WhereIsMySpoon> NinjaKirby: a 1.7ghz i7 :p
#1570 [19:40] <MCDanny> no look my notebook isnt weak enough i played mc with lb photorealism an purebdcraft for a half year and i had NO LAG AT ALL :)
#1571 [19:40] <MCDanny> uuuhm oops i meant too weak
#1572 [19:40] <WhereIsMySpoon> i have a 3.16ghz core 2 and its prolly a lot better :p
#1573 [19:40] <MCDanny> sorry my first language isnt english
#1574 [19:40] <NinjaKirby> There was a typo in the original specs, it's 1.7Thz, trade secret
#1575 [19:41] <WhereIsMySpoon> lol
#1576 [19:41] <MCDanny> :D
#1577 [19:41] <NinjaKirby> I digress.
#1578 [19:41] <MCDanny> hehe
#1579 [19:41] <MCDanny> mah ultimate gaming laptop YEAH
#1580 [19:41] <MCDanny> :D
#1581 [19:41] <MCDanny> BITCH
#1582 [19:41] <MCDanny> :D
#1583 [19:41] <WhereIsMySpoon> dont spam the chat :p
#1584 [19:42] <NinjaKirby> Lawdie
#1585 [19:42] <WhereIsMySpoon> 1.7ghz != ultimate
#1586 [19:42] <lutzee> Anyway, I put the lag down to the game being unable to write to the HDD fast enough
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#1588 [19:42] <MCDanny> no seriously i had 3 different 256x256 texture packs running without any lag
#1589 [19:42] <WhereIsMySpoon> MCDanny: how often did the fps drop happen?
#1590 [19:42] <MCDanny> WHOA WHOA wait a sec lutzee
#1591 [19:42] <MCDanny> that might be it
#1592 [19:43] <WhereIsMySpoon> lutzee: i dont see why you should jump to that conclusion from the information we've got here
#1593 [19:43] <Coatbee> I just bought mibecraft and i tried to play multiplayer and it says scanning for severs but oits been scanning for like 10 min and nothiung, is there something wrong?
#1594 [19:43] <WhereIsMySpoon> it could be that, but could be several other things
#1595 [19:43] <WhereIsMySpoon> Coatbee: you need to add them
#1596 [19:43] <MCDanny> see i installed norton 360 a month ago and it almost killed my hdd because when it did its first scan my pc went "omgloldyingherebrokthxbai" and almost hung itself
#1597 [19:43] <WhereIsMySpoon> The scanning bit means its scanning for lan servers
#1598 [19:43] <Coatbee> how?
#1599 [19:43] <lutzee> WhereIsMySpoon: the lagspike of death is pretty telling
#1600 [19:43] <WhereIsMySpoon> norton sucks
#1601 [19:43] <WhereIsMySpoon> Coatbee: google for minecraft servers
#1602 [19:43] <Coatbee> ok
#1603 [19:43] <Coatbee> thanks
#1604 [19:43] <lutzee> MCDanny: you installed the one worst antivirus around
#1605 [19:43] <WhereIsMySpoon> then add server with a name you wishto give it, then add the ip/hostname
#1606 [19:44] <WhereIsMySpoon> MCDanny: what lut said
#1607 [19:44] <lutzee> ??> Coatbee smp/servers
#1608 [19:44] <VoxelHead> Coatbee: (smp/servers) There currently is no master list of all SMP servers. Fan-made indexes include http://minestatus.net/ - http://www.mcserverlist.net/ - http://www.reddit.com/r/mcservers - http://minecraftservers.net/ - http://minecraft.dk/mcserverlist/
#1609 [19:44] <VoxelHead> Coatbee: (smp/servers) You can also find a list at the MC forums at http://www.minecraftforum.net/forum/31-servers/ . Also, try the #smp channel.
#1610 [19:44] <MCDanny> yeah i called the support team of norton and they said yo man we aint helpin with hardware errors even if our program caused it yo
#1611 [19:44] <Coatbee> ok thanks yall
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#1613 [19:44] <lutzee> Exactly, get kaspersky, it's one of the best for AV, and doesn't hurt my FPS at all
#1614 [19:44] <WhereIsMySpoon> nuu
#1615 [19:44] <WhereIsMySpoon> get eset :D
#1616 [19:44] <WhereIsMySpoon> eset rules
#1617 [19:44] <MCDanny> i currently have avast
#1618 [19:44] <MCDanny> :D
#1619 [19:44] <WhereIsMySpoon> >.<
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#1621 [19:45] <MCDanny> and btw i had norton 2011 - 2012 and it rocked
#1622 [19:45] <WhereIsMySpoon> you went from a horrible to a slightly less horrible
#1623 [19:45] <MCDanny> never had any problems
#1624 [19:45] <MCDanny> or lags
#1625 [19:45] <MCDanny> in mc
#1626 [19:45] <MCDanny> but then i installed version 5..
#1627 [19:45] <MCDanny> damn upgrade, shouldve never done it
#1628 [19:45] <Myritek> ESET doesn't have any free versions atm, no? (I personally use Microsoft Security Essentials w/ occasional third party scans)
#1629 [19:45] <dj> minecraft is not working at all and can fix it
#1630 [19:45] <MCDanny> now im sitting on a damaged hdd and mc is the second thing to prove that
#1631 [19:45] <WhereIsMySpoon> AVG works fairly well too
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#1633 [19:46] <lutzee> WhereIsMySpoon: it hates minecraft
#1634 [19:46] <WhereIsMySpoon> lutzee: eset?
#1635 [19:46] <lutzee> out of every free solution MSE is the best
#1636 [19:46] <WhereIsMySpoon> i dotn have any problems with it
#1637 [19:46] <WhereIsMySpoon> oh, avg you mean
#1638 [19:46] <lutzee> ESET has started to have problems with minecraft too
#1639 [19:46] <WhereIsMySpoon> i got 0 probs with mc + eset
#1640 [19:46] <MCDanny> i first noticed when my pc went bye bye and rebooted with massive hdd lag so i just uninstalled norton and complained
#1641 [19:46] <Myritek> Agreed, lutzee. And Avast! isn't that bad, from what I can remember - but that's not from the perspective of messing with my gaming.
#1642 [19:46] <Myritek> Agreed, lutzee. And Avast! isn't that bad, from what I can remember - but that's not from the perspective of messing with my gaming.
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#1644 [19:46] <MCDanny> but norton doesnt give a fuck
#1645 [19:46] * AuBot kicked MCDanny from #minecrafthelp (Reason: CDanny :Please keep it civil.)
#1646 [19:47] <WhereIsMySpoon> <_>
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#1648 [19:47] <WhereIsMySpoon> well
#1649 [19:47] * Wug reminds all present that #minecrafthelp is not a general chat channel
#1649 [19:47] <WhereIsMySpoon> I think we've all learned that we dont use notebooks for gaming
#1650 [19:47] <MCDanny> oh come on dont be such a sissy dear chat :P
#1651 [19:47] <MCDanny> no we just learned that norton sucks
#1652 [19:47] <MCDanny> :D
#1653 [19:48] <MCDanny> my notebook was awesome until version 5 of norton 360 :P
#1654 [19:48] * lutzee was busy typing to dj what was wrong then he left >.>
#1654 [19:48] <Wug> and also that aubot is a bot.
#1655 [19:48] <WhereIsMySpoon> wat, nevah
#1656 [19:48] <MCDanny> i always had the idea that the hdd thing had something to do with the lag
#1657 [19:48] <WhereIsMySpoon> my love for aubot will never be reciprocated?
#1658 [19:48] <WhereIsMySpoon> ! <3
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#1661 [19:48] <MCDanny> so what do i do? sue norton? xD
#1662 [19:49] <MCDanny> i mean its clear that norton 360 damaged my hdd no doubt about that..
#1663 [19:49] <MCDanny> xD
#1664 [19:49] <WhereIsMySpoon> doubt it
#1665 [19:49] <MCDanny> when the scan started the fps went down
#1666 [19:49] <MCDanny> the windows fps
#1667 [19:49] <MCDanny> thats bad..
#1668 [19:49] <MCDanny> you know?
#1669 [19:49] <WhereIsMySpoon> yes, that happens with all antiviruses
#1670 [19:49] <MCDanny> nope
#1671 [19:50] <MCDanny> didnt happen with avast
#1672 [19:50] <MCDanny> didnt happen with kaspersky
#1673 [19:50] <MCDanny> didnt happen with avira
#1674 [19:50] <WhereIsMySpoon> i meant whilst a scan is going on
#1675 [19:50] <MCDanny> yeah thats what i mean aswell..
#1676 [19:50] <Myritek> You *can* put messages in one line. And not always, WhereIsMySpoon - haven't had that issue with MSE... ever
#1677 [19:50] <Myritek> But a scan shouldn't break your HDD/Minecraft.
#1678 [19:50] <WhereIsMySpoon> hm, well maybe some antiviruses dont scan as fast as others
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#1680 [19:51] <MCDanny> yeah i know but i like to cut stuff into pieces for some reason
#1681 [19:51] <MCDanny> oh god that sounded so wrong
#1682 [19:51] <TheNoodle> We don't like it when you do.
#1683 [19:51] <TheNoodle> Please stop.
#1684 [19:51] <WhereIsMySpoon> we cant let you do that dave
#1685 [19:51] <MCDanny> sorry...
#1686 [19:52] <MCDanny> well norton clearly did something bad with my hdd because since that day my hdd is sooo slow
#1687 [19:52] <hrking> how do i change my minecraft character skin
#1688 [19:52] <MCDanny> takes about 4 minutes just to copy a 1.7gb file..
#1689 [19:52] <MCDanny> i remember that before that scan it took me just 10 seconds
#1690 [19:53] <hrking> ok
#1691 [19:53] <TheNoodle> MCDanny, Norton didn't affect your hdd.
#1692 [19:53] <MCDanny> ...
#1693 [19:53] <hrking> how do i
#1694 [19:53] <MCDanny> then tell me what in the world could have done that at the exact same time the norton scan started
#1695 [19:53] <MCDanny> at the EXACT same time
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#1698 [19:54] <MCDanny> as soon as i clicked the "scan" button it went downhill and i was just like holy s**t whats going on
#1699 [19:54] <Myritek> MCDanny: Correlation does not equal causation! And... are you sure it was a legitimate / real edition of Norton?
#1700 [19:54] <TheNoodle> I don't need to, but I'm telling you that Norton did not cause physical damage to your drive.
#1701 [19:54] <WhereIsMySpoon> MCDanny: have you defragmented ever?
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#1703 [19:55] <Myritek> And yeah, TheNoodle is right - it's pretty much impossible for Norton to do that.
#1704 [19:55] <MCDanny> yep just yesterday
#1705 [19:55] <MCDanny> and about the norton program: yes its a legit copy bought for 15 bucks when it was on sale and i looked for a good antivirus
#1706 [19:55] <TheNoodle> HDD model?
#1707 [19:55] <vammo> I just purchased minecraft and I can't join servers? It's saying I'm not premium on the game but on the site it says i am.
#1708 [19:55] <MCDanny> i actually have the packaging in front of me now
#1709 [19:56] <MCDanny> how do i find out about my hdd model?
#1710 [19:56] <WhereIsMySpoon> vammo: might have to wait a few mins
#1711 [19:56] <TheNoodle> Google.
#1712 [19:56] <TheNoodle> vammo, give it another 30 minutes, also make sure that you're logging into the same account in the client that you did online.
#1713 [19:57] <vammo> thank you guys.
#1714 [19:57] <MCDanny> wow this is the first time someone rather told me to google something than just tell me how its done.. usually i do that!
#1715 [19:57] <MCDanny> :D
#1716 [19:57] <TheNoodle> ..
#1717 [19:58] <MCDanny> what?
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#1719 [19:58] <TheNoodle> That's how you do it. You take your laptop model and google it looking for hdd specs.
#1720 [19:58] <MCDanny> or i just use my device manager..
#1721 [19:58] <MCDanny> right?
#1722 [19:58] <WhereIsMySpoon> MCDanny: whatever works for you
#1723 [19:58] <Coatbee> can someoe give me a multiplayer minecraft server, ive looked up online and it doesnt hsow me the IP codes
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#1725 [19:59] <WhereIsMySpoon> ??/servers
#1726 [19:59] <WhereIsMySpoon> ?? smp/servers
#1727 [19:59] <VoxelHead> smp/servers: There currently is no master list of all SMP servers. Fan-made indexes include http://minestatus.net/ - http://www.mcserverlist.net/ - http://www.reddit.com/r/mcservers - http://minecraftservers.net/ - http://minecraft.dk/mcserverlist/
#1728 [19:59] <VoxelHead> smp/servers: You can also find a list at the MC forums at http://www.minecraftforum.net/forum/31-servers/ . Also, try the #smp channel.
#1729 [19:59] <TheNoodle> Mine only returns around a fifth of the drive model numbers, so I suggested google.
#1730 [19:59] <MCDanny> btw thenoodle, how would the model info help me here?
#1731 [19:59] <MCDanny> just curious
#1732 [19:59] <WhereIsMySpoon> Coatbee: it can be ip like 123.456.78.9
#1733 [20:00] <WhereIsMySpoon> or a hostname like myserver.minecraft.blah
#1734 [20:00] <Coatbee> is that one?
#1735 [20:00] <TheNoodle> It would help me.
#1736 [20:00] <MCDanny> kk
#1737 [20:00] <WhereIsMySpoon> neither of those are actual servers, just examples
#1738 [20:00] <MCDanny> im on it
#1739 [20:00] <Coatbee> ok
#1740 [20:00] <Coatbee> gonna try again, c ya
#1741 [20:00] <WhereIsMySpoon> any server that's good will have a hostname
#1742 [20:00] <WhereIsMySpoon> rather than an ip
#1743 [20:01] <WhereIsMySpoon> in general
#1744 [20:01] <TheNoodle> It will still have an ip :P
#1745 [20:01] <WhereIsMySpoon> yes, but it wont be advertised
#1746 [20:01] <WhereIsMySpoon> is what i meant
#1747 [20:01] <Coatbee> i still cant get one :/
#1748 [20:01] <MCDanny> wow all the official specs say is : 320GB,5400rpm
#1749 [20:01] <MCDanny> xD
#1750 [20:02] <WhereIsMySpoon> sounds reasonable
#1751 [20:02] <WhereIsMySpoon> 5400 is fine too
#1752 [20:02] <TheNoodle> Doesn't sound like 170mb/s i/o speeds though
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#1754 [20:02] <MCDanny> and 320gb isnt even true... damn asus isnt quite precise when it comes to specs..
#1755 [20:02] <MCDanny> its actually 445
#1756 [20:02] <MCDanny> gb
#1757 [20:03] <WhereIsMySpoon> TheNoodle: he was saying about 250-400mb/s before
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#1759 [20:03] <TheNoodle> lol.
#1760 [20:03] <WhereIsMySpoon> "1.7gb in about 4 seconds"
#1761 [20:03] <MCDanny> huh me? when?
#1762 [20:03] <MCDanny> what ???
#1763 [20:03] <MCDanny> no
#1764 [20:03] <TheNoodle> [07:47] MCDanny : takes about 4 minutes just to copy a 1.7gb file..
#1765 [20:03] <TheNoodle> [07:47] MCDanny : i remember that before that scan it took me just 10 seconds
#1766 [20:03] <MCDanny> MINUTES
#1767 [20:03] <TheNoodle> Which equates to 170mb/s
#1768 [20:03] <MCDanny> M.I.N.U.T.E.S
#1769 [20:03] <MCDanny> :D
#1770 [20:04] <WhereIsMySpoon> sorry, 10 seconds
#1771 [20:04] <WhereIsMySpoon> thought hed said 4
#1772 [20:04] <MCDanny> or youre talking about the second line
#1773 [20:04] <MCDanny> well maybe 10 seconds was not correct lets say 30 seconds but more than that it wasnt as far as i remember
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#1776 [20:05] <MCDanny> all im saying is that it was waaaay faster before the scan stuff happened
#1777 [20:05] <WhereIsMySpoon> possible, but doubtful that the antivirus caused it
#1778 [20:05] <MCDanny> basically what happened there was that the whole machine started to stutter and since that day my hdd is way slower
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#1780 [20:06] <TheNoodle> Your HDD or your OS.
#1781 [20:06] <MCDanny> look... theres nothing else i was doing at that moment that could have caused the hdd crash/e-seizure at exactly the same time the scan happened
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#1783 [20:08] <Scott> No
#1784 [20:08] <DiskDaemon> It sounds like your hard drive is in the process of dying. Either replace it, or use something like SpinRite to attempt to repair as much of the physical damage as possible.
#1785 [20:08] <Scott> I don't believe you were copying files at 170mb/s on that harddrive.
#1786 [20:08] <Scott> a 5400rpm drive cannot write that fast
#1787 [20:08] <MCDanny> all i remember is that as soon as i pressed the button the laptop started lagging like crazy so i stopped the scan and then the lagging stopped but from there on my files are getting copied insanely slow
#1788 [20:09] <MCDanny> scott i corrected my statement a few minutes ago
#1789 [20:09] <MCDanny> i said it was probably 30 seconds but not more than that
#1790 [20:09] <MCDanny> now its 4 minutes for 1.7 gb
#1791 [20:09] <MCDanny> very slow
#1792 [20:09] <Scott> Your antivirus is probably scanning every file you touch
#1793 [20:09] <MCDanny> was'
#1794 [20:09] <MCDanny> *
#1795 [20:09] <WhereIsMySpoon> ^ quite possible
#1796 [20:09] <WhereIsMySpoon> you still hav e an antivirus
#1797 [20:09] <WhereIsMySpoon> avast, you said you did
#1798 [20:09] <Scott> antivirus is overrated
#1799 [20:09] <MCDanny> i uninstalled norton the same day the scan happened
#1800 [20:10] <Scott> i'm glad i don't have to mess with that junk.
#1801 [20:10] <WhereIsMySpoon> run msconfig, take avast off the autolaunch list, then reboot
#1802 [20:10] <WhereIsMySpoon> then try to see how fast stuff copies
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#1804 [20:10] <WhereIsMySpoon> but im pretty sure this is offtopic for #minecrafthelp
#1805 [20:10] <MCDanny> whereismyspoon during the time i didnt have any antivirus the laggy data transfer was there
#1806 [20:10] <Scott> It is.
#1807 [20:10] <MCDanny> so avast cant be the problem
#1808 [20:11] <MCDanny> because the hdd lags were there before avast came along
#1809 [20:11] * WhereIsMySpoon is now known as :ThereIsNoSpoon
#1810 [20:11] <MCDanny> i spent about a week or so without an antivirus
#1811 [20:11] <MCDanny> and i copy/move a lot of files everyday
#1812 [20:11] <Martok88> hi, i'm trying to figure out if a gift code is valid. on my account page, it just says "gift codes" not "unused gift codes" or "you have sent the game to..."
#1813 [20:11] <WhereIsMySpoon> and in that week you could have had a mess of fragged data that you didnt clean
#1814 [20:12] <Scott> if it works, it's valid lol
#1815 [20:12] <WhereIsMySpoon> or maybe your AV sw had put a load of stuff in junk and you had a full hdd
#1816 [20:12] <Martok88> yeah, but i need to know =/
#1817 [20:12] <MCDanny> as i said earlier i defragmented my hdd recently
#1818 [20:12] <WhereIsMySpoon> MCDanny: but not in that week you didnt have AV sw maybe
#1819 [20:13] <WhereIsMySpoon> MCDanny: the point is, tehre are 1000 things that could make this happen, and theyre all offtopic
#1820 [20:13] <WhereIsMySpoon> so lets keep this out of here, and just carry on with minecraft help
#1821 [20:13] <MCDanny> uuuhm this has to do with my mc issue and i think you brought it out by saying that mc couldn't write onto my hdd fast enough :P
#1822 [20:14] <Myritek> There are plenty of tech support websites/forums/subreddits that can give you better help than an IRC channel focused on Minecraft, MCDanny.
#1823 [20:14] <DiskDaemon> Where might he take his query to get further assistance?
#1824 [20:14] <MCDanny> ...
#1825 [20:14] <WhereIsMySpoon> If you're asking for assistance on HDD problems, this isnt the channel for it
#1826 [20:14] <WhereIsMySpoon> If you're asking for assistance on MC problems, and you've tried what we've asked you to do, say so, and we'll keep on trying to help
#1827 [20:15] <MCDanny> what???? one of you guys said something along the lines of "i'm assuming that mc can't write onto your hdd fast enough and that causes the lag"
#1828 [20:15] <WhereIsMySpoon> sure, and that was the end of on-topic
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#1830 [20:15] <MCDanny> yeah because then my hdd problems came to min
#1831 [20:15] <MCDanny> mind
#1832 [20:15] <WhereIsMySpoon> we've now put forward some options, and you're welcome to try them
#1833 [20:15] <MCDanny> yes please
#1834 [20:15] <lutzee> Martok88: it will say if a gift code has been used by saying <giftcode> (redeemed by <player>)
#1835 [20:16] <WhereIsMySpoon> MCDanny: i meant in the chat we had
#1836 [20:16] <Myritek> Minecraft isn't causing your HDD problem, but your HDD problem might be causing Minecraft - and giving you support for your HDD is not really in the scope of this channel, I think. Try techsupport.reddit.com, or Google for other sites.
#1837 [20:16] <WhereIsMySpoon> ^This, basically
#1838 [20:17] <lutzee> or ##hardware on freenode
#1839 [20:17] <MCDanny> yeah i tried all of them :P
#1840 [20:17] <WhereIsMySpoon> its not that we dont want to help, its just that many of us are just here to help for MC, and other qs will get drowned out if we continue a long discussion on hdds
#1841 [20:17] <lutzee> I never saw you in ##hardware ...
#1842 [20:17] <MCDanny> guys stop giving me techsupport suggestions im here to solve an mc problem and the hdd started because my hdd problems were connected to my mc problems
#1843 [20:17] <MCDanny> its done we have moved on
#1844 [20:17] <MCDanny> ok?
#1845 [20:18] <WhereIsMySpoon> ...
#1846 [20:18] <lutzee> And we are saying, buy a new HDD :)
#1847 [20:18] <DiskDaemon> We cannot help with hardware issues other than to say fix the hardware.
#1848 [20:18] <MCDanny> ... what did i just say?
#1849 [20:18] <Myritek> If you have another, Minecraft-specific question, go for it!
#1850 [20:18] <MCDanny> [02:17] <MCDanny> guys stop giving me techsupport suggestions im here to solve an mc problem and the hdd stuff started because my hdd problems were connected to my mc problems
#1851 [20:19] <MCDanny> so lets get back to my fps problems
#1852 [20:19] <MCDanny> i have reinstalled java and started mc
#1853 [20:19] <MCDanny> and there is no lag.. yet..
#1854 [20:19] <MCDanny> it usually starts about 10 - 20 minutes in
#1855 [20:19] <WhereIsMySpoon> Scott: you here?
#1856 [20:19] <WhereIsMySpoon> MCDanny: that was an important piece of info you missed out first time
#1857 [20:20] <MCDanny> hmm sorry didnt think that was important
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#1859 [20:20] <MCDanny> sorry
#1860 [20:20] <WhereIsMySpoon> means its more likely a performance issue rather than a hardware issue
#1861 [20:20] <Scott> Your issue isn't related to Minecraft.
#1862 [20:20] <WhereIsMySpoon> as in, hardware broken issue
#1863 [20:20] <Scott> Go to a computer repair shop and ask them for help.
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#1865 [20:20] <MCDanny> well then i have some facts i knew but didnt bother to write because i didnt think that they were importnat
#1866 [20:20] <MCDanny> important
#1867 [20:20] <DiskDaemon> MCDanny: Use the F3 key to bring up the debug screen, and when the lag occurs the pie chart to the right should show what is needing more time for its resources. That info would be valuable to have for the purposes of troubleshooting when the showdown occurs.
#1868 [20:20] <DaveC> I try to register bu it is not sending anything to my e-mail dfconnor (at) aol
#1869 [20:20] <MCDanny> this is gonna be a long message so hold on
#1870 [20:21] <DaveC> Can I change the e-mail????
#1871 [20:21] <DiskDaemon> DaveC: yes you can
#1872 [20:21] <WhereIsMySpoon> DaveC: /ns register <email> <password>
#1873 [20:21] <DiskDaemon> http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/329530-my-email-account-has-changed-
#1874 [20:21] <WhereIsMySpoon> oh, thought you meant for irc :D
#1875 [20:22] <DaveC> Problem is, it won;t let me log in. I did not verify the e-mail yet since it did not send the verification
#1876 [20:22] <DaveC> it did not show up in e-mail
#1877 [20:22] <WhereIsMySpoon> DaveC: is it a full account?
#1878 [20:22] <DiskDaemon> DaveC: I can tell that you haven't read the article yet.
#1879 [20:23] <MCDanny> fact 1:it starts about 10 - 20 minutes in. fact 2: im not sure but i think the lag grows stronger with every bit i change about the mc world.. the bigger my house got, the bigger the lags got. fact 3: the lagometer does not show any lagspikes of death, more like a general rise of whatever that graph/curve is called(as i said: english is not my first language) fact 4: texture packs do not make the lag worse! fact 5: the grap
#1880 [20:24] <Scott> WhereIsMySpoon: please don't PM me
#1881 [20:24] <MCDanny> fact 6: when i played tekkit, i had the same issue and there the lag was strong from the beggining
#1882 [20:24] <WhereIsMySpoon> ok, so it isnt a sudden fps drop, its a gradual, and its after an amount of minutes
#1883 [20:24] <WhereIsMySpoon> its definitely a performance issue
#1884 [20:24] <WhereIsMySpoon> Scott: sorry, it was OT for this channel but related to it
#1885 [20:24] <DiskDaemon> MCDanny: What you wrote stopped at point 5.
#1886 [20:25] <WhereIsMySpoon> Scott: didnt want it clogging this up, it ok if i put it here instead
#1887 [20:25] <MCDanny> the fps drop stays for about 15 seconds then it goes back to 100 - 300 fps
#1888 [20:25] <DiskDaemon> MCDanny: Have you assigned a lot of memory to java for when it starts Minecraft?
#1889 [20:25] <MCDanny> and as i said i think and hour earlier the fps go down to only 15 - 30 fp
#1890 [20:26] <MCDanny> fps
#1891 [20:26] <MCDanny> yes i actually increased the amount of ram from 1gb to 2gb because of this issue
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#1893 [20:27] <MCDanny> and scott: i wrote fact 6 as a next message because it wouldnt let me type anymore
#1894 [20:27] <MCDanny> :P
#1895 [20:27] <DiskDaemon> Too much memory is a known performance issue - reduce the amount of memory to improve performance.
#1896 [20:27] <MCDanny> fact 6: when i played tekkit, i had the same issue and there the lag was strong from the beggining
#1897 [20:27] <WhereIsMySpoon> DiskDaemon: eh?
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#1900 [20:27] <MCDanny> ok so shall i turn the ram down to 500 mb or what?
#1901 [20:27] <DiskDaemon> MCDanny: See this for details http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/343030-minecraft-speedoptimization-guide-v-23-6-updated-on-aug-6/#cl
#1902 [20:27] <MCDanny> it was originally at 1gn
#1903 [20:28] <MCDanny> gb
#1904 [20:28] <Wug> WhereIsMySpoon: it increases the load of CGing unnecessarily
#1905 [20:28] <Wug> GC*
#1906 [20:28] <WhereIsMySpoon> Wug: GC?
#1907 [20:28] <DiskDaemon> WhereIsMySpoon: It's due to garbage collection. The more memory - the more garbage that needs to be collected.
#1908 [20:28] <lutzee> Garbage collectore
#1909 [20:28] <WhereIsMySpoon> oh, right
#1910 [20:28] <lutzee> -e
#1911 [20:29] <WhereIsMySpoon> Wug, you mind if I pm you?
#1912 [20:29] <MCDanny> uuhm the guide you just sent me has one fatal mistake in it: "Do - Play on "fast" and "tiny" graphics, use Advanced OpenGL!"
#1913 [20:29] <Wug> go ahead
#1914 [20:29] <WhereIsMySpoon> MCDanny: whats wrong with that
#1915 [20:29] <MCDanny> turning on advanced opengl just starts a lag party for most people i know
#1916 [20:29] <MCDanny> not me but just saying
#1917 [20:30] <MCDanny> to suggest that as a performance increaser is kinda.. wrong?
#1918 [20:30] <Wug> it depends on whether theyre cpu or gpu bound
#1919 [20:30] <Wug> most laptops have decent cpus and shitty gpus
#1920 [20:30] <Wug> qed advanced opengl helps
#1921 [20:30] <MCDanny> one of them has a gaming pc i think its called the falcon northwest mach something
#1922 [20:31] <Wug> gaming PCs dont lag when playing minecraft, ever.
#1923 [20:31] <MCDanny> mine has a decent gpu and a shitty cpu :P
#1924 [20:31] <Wug> your argument is invalid.
#1925 [20:31] <Wug> :|
#1926 [20:31] <WhereIsMySpoon> Wug: people's definition of gaming pc is...varied
#1927 [20:31] <Wug> tell me about it
#1928 [20:31] <DiskDaemon> If you open up the spoiler, many details about it can be provided
#1929 [20:31] <MCDanny> my second notebook which servers as a server, data storage and internet browser has a very bad gpu but 3.4 ghz cpu :p
#1930 [20:32] <WhereIsMySpoon> good?
#1931 [20:32] <lutzee> CPU clock speed does not make it fast
#1932 [20:32] <Wug> I wouldnt use a laptop as a server
#1933 [20:32] <WhereIsMySpoon> ^
#1934 [20:32] <MCDanny> wug they do appaerantly
#1935 [20:32] <Wug> not a minecraft server anyway
#1936 [20:32] <MCDanny> if the wrong option is enabled
#1937 [20:32] <Wug> MCDanny: I can't make minecraft lag
#1938 [20:33] <WhereIsMySpoon> MCDanny: only way mc can lag a proper gaming pc is if it isnt a proper gaming pc or someone's modded mc in a bad way
#1939 [20:33] <MCDanny> a friend of mine has this 2000 or more bucks beast and it handles bf3 on max crysis on max arma 2 on max anything basically but if he turns on advanced opengl in mc the game almost dies
#1940 [20:33] <lutzee> WhereIsMySpoon: or you try set off a lot of IC2 nukes ;)
#1941 [20:33] <Wug> MCDanny: then he's wasting his money and not upgrading his drivers
#1942 [20:33] <WhereIsMySpoon> proper gaming pc nowadays imo = i5/7, 4gb ram+, decent mobo with sli, gtx560 or equal for ati+
#1943 [20:34] <MCDanny> why would he be wasting his money? he's playing bf3 right now ::D
#1944 [20:34] <MCDanny> xD
#1945 [20:34] <MCDanny> on max
#1946 [20:34] <MCDanny> awesome?
#1947 [20:34] <lutzee> MCDanny: that does nothing for me
#1948 [20:34] <WhereIsMySpoon> i would make a joke about bf3 being a waste of money, but that would be naughty
#1949 [20:34] * lutzee is mainly an MMO player
#1949 [20:34] <Wug> the introduction of minecraft spurred many companies to produce better gpu drivers
#1950 [20:35] <MCDanny> why is bf3 a waste of money? wait no i dont wanna know it.. to me its a decent game. not bad , but also not outstanding
#1951 [20:35] <WhereIsMySpoon> anyhow
#1952 [20:35] <Wug> if his drivers are more than 2 years old, he'd get poor opengl performance even on like a 500 series nvidia card
#1953 [20:35] <MCDanny> yeah bf3 aside lets see if my mc is already lagging and ill check out my task manager as you said
#1954 [20:35] <WhereIsMySpoon> MCDanny: from what you've told us, your laptop is either hardware or software wise, not capable of running minecraft properly
#1955 [20:35] <Wug> unlikely that a 500 card would still be running on drivers that old though
#1956 [20:35] <MCDanny> when the lags start
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#1958 [20:36] <MCDanny> whereismyspoon from what ive told you at the beginning of our conversation the lags started in 1.2.5
#1959 [20:36] <MCDanny> :P
#1960 [20:36] <MCDanny> or earlier
#1961 [20:36] <MCDanny> when the hdd thing happned
#1962 [20:36] <MCDanny> happened*
#1963 [20:36] <DiskDaemon> Bring the memory for Minecraft down to 384MB - that the improvement that I best recommend for the situation
#1964 [20:36] <MCDanny> ok ill try that now if the lags are there
#1965 [20:36] <WhereIsMySpoon> ok, so the combination of something being added in 1.2.5 and your laptop being not the best in the world = performance issues
#1966 [20:36] <OffMercy> anyone here familier with factions
#1967 [20:36] <OffMercy> ?
#1968 [20:36] <MCDanny> lets take a look..
#1969 [20:37] <WhereIsMySpoon> OffMercy: sounds like a mod to me, and we dont support mods here
#1970 [20:37] <WhereIsMySpoon> Unless it isnt, in which case, ask away
#1971 [20:37] <lutzee> WhereIsMySpoon: it's a bukkit plugin
#1972 [20:37] <OffMercy> ya
#1973 [20:37] <OffMercy> ok thanks :)
#1974 [20:37] <lutzee> OffMercy: you want to eb in #bukkit
#1975 [20:37] <MCDanny> k i had a short lag now for about 5 seconds
#1976 [20:37] <DiskDaemon> The #bukkit channel is where to go for bukkit-related stuff
#1977 [20:37] <MCDanny> it went down to 15 fps
#1978 [20:37] <MCDanny> then 10
#1979 [20:37] <OffMercy> alright man. thanks :)
#1980 [20:37] <WhereIsMySpoon> MCDanny: and did the cpu jump?
#1981 [20:38] <MCDanny> then 1 and then straight up to 100
#1982 [20:38] <WhereIsMySpoon> cpu usage*
#1983 [20:38] <MCDanny> couldnt see that, the lag was too short
#1984 [20:38] <Tremend81> When I want to start minecraft, it stops saying "done loading", i waited for 20 minutes and nothing happens, please! need some help! I have the latest version of Java running on Windows 7
#1985 [20:38] <MCDanny> it stopped exactly when i got to the mc process
#1986 [20:38] <MCDanny> but the next lag will probably start shortly just wait a minute
#1987 [20:39] <WhereIsMySpoon> Tremend81: tried deleting .minecraft and reinstalling javA?
#1988 [20:39] <WhereIsMySpoon> *java
#1989 [20:39] <lutzee> Tremend81: you trying to play the demo?
#1990 [20:39] <Tremend81> yes
#1991 [20:39] <lutzee> Tremend81: the demo is only available at http://minecraft.net/demo
#1992 [20:39] <MCDanny> ok i just got to see the process in the right time and no the cpu usage stayed at 10 - 13
#1993 [20:40] <MCDanny> no jump
#1994 [20:40] <WhereIsMySpoon> MCDanny: ok, thanks. Try DiskDaemon's solution
#1995 [20:40] <Tremend81> I wish to play this game, if I like i'll buy for sure. Many thanks
#1996 [20:40] <WhereIsMySpoon> launch with about 350mb
#1997 [20:40] <MCDanny> what was it again? oh yeah the 384 mb
#1998 [20:40] <MCDanny> oh 350
#1999 [20:40] <MCDanny> kk
#2000 [20:40] <WhereIsMySpoon> 350, 384, whichever
#2001 [20:41] <WhereIsMySpoon> doesnt matter exactly
#2002 [20:41] <MCDanny> not too sure which way i should do it btw - i usually do it with the parameters
#2003 [20:41] <lutzee> 384Mb WhereIsMySpoon it's a nice ratio
#2004 [20:41] <MCDanny> so that would be -xmx384m -xms384m
#2005 [20:42] <MCDanny> right?
#2006 [20:42] <DiskDaemon> Doesn't matter? It's a multiple of 128, I'll thank you to know :)
#2007 [20:42] <Tremend81> Same with the link.. it stops in "done loading" i'll try to erase .minecraft and reinstalling Java
#2008 [20:42] <DiskDaemon> It should be a capital M, to my recollection
#2009 [20:42] <lutzee> Tremend81: it shouldn't stop :|
#2010 [20:42] <MCDanny> hey can you please tell me yes or no?
#2011 [20:42] <lutzee> MCDanny: yes you are right 384
#2012 [20:42] <MCDanny> no
#2013 [20:43] <lutzee> oh
#2014 [20:43] <WhereIsMySpoon> it's -Xmx384m -Xms384m
#2015 [20:43] <lutzee> yes capital M
#2016 [20:43] <MCDanny> i meant if the parameters are correct
#2017 [20:43] <DiskDaemon> -Xmx384M -Xms384M
#2018 [20:43] <MCDanny> kk thanks
#2019 [20:43] <MCDanny> wasnt sure
#2020 [20:43] <WhereIsMySpoon> theres no capital M o.o
#2021 [20:43] <MCDanny> i dont mod my mc except for reis minimap and toomanyitems
#2022 [20:43] <MCDanny> i like my vanilla
#2023 [20:43] <MCDanny> the way it is :P
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#2026 [20:45] <MCDanny> back to my other question: is there another way to set the ram usage other than the parameters?
#2027 [20:45] <GreyVulpine> Yes, with a third party client like Magic Launcher
#2028 [20:46] <DiskDaemon> no
#2029 [20:46] <DiskDaemon> Not unless you use unsupported modded launchers, which we don't support here :)
#2030 [20:46] <GreyVulpine> ^
#2031 [20:46] <MCDanny> ah ok
#2032 [20:46] <MCDanny> thanks for the info
#2033 [20:46] <MCDanny> even if it doesnt help me.. i just want to know everything.. :D
#2034 [20:46] <MCDanny> dont know why
#2035 [20:46] <MCDanny> i guess im a curious guy
#2036 [20:47] <DiskDaemon> You can though use a shortcut to set the startup parameters, or a batch filer
#2037 [20:47] <DiskDaemon> *file
#2038 [20:48] <MCDanny> why would one do that? you just have to go to programs -> java -> java again -> type in parameters, ok exit doen
#2039 [20:48] <MCDanny> done*
#2040 [20:48] <MCDanny> hmm wow i just noticed that mc launched a bit faster
#2041 [20:48] <DiskDaemon> Because you are then affecting other java programs that run on your computer, not just Minecraft itself
#2042 [20:48] <MCDanny> i mean the mojang logo was there for just a split second , not as usual - 2 - 4 seconds
#2043 [20:49] <MCDanny> oh so that would affect the performance of my mc server when its running here?
#2044 [20:49] <MCDanny> uh oh
#2045 [20:49] <MCDanny> my friends will be complaining about lag then because 384mb is probably not enough for a server
#2046 [20:50] <WhereIsMySpoon> MCDanny: how many ppl on it
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#2048 [20:50] <DiskDaemon> Keep it specific then
#2049 [20:50] <MCDanny> usually just me and 4 - 6 others, why?
#2050 [20:50] <lutzee> 4-6 you want about 512Mb
#2051 [20:50] <MCDanny> really???
#2052 [20:51] <MCDanny> im so stupid then..
#2053 [20:51] <MCDanny> xD
#2054 [20:51] <MCDanny> i thought a server needs 1gb just to run without lags in general
#2055 [20:51] <WhereIsMySpoon> nuu
#2056 [20:51] <MCDanny> what a waste of ram then
#2057 [20:51] <MCDanny> its nuh uh :P
#2058 [20:51] <MCDanny> ok lets see if theres any lag yet
#2059 [20:52] <MCDanny> hmm what ive noticed so far is that the world is loading extremely slow ingame
#2060 [20:52] <MCDanny> its like 2 chunks per second ..
#2061 [20:53] <MCDanny> it was about 10 chunks per second before : /
#2062 [20:53] <MCDanny> wow its still building up
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#2064 [20:53] <MCDanny> im looking out the window and the village is currently some houses and a giant world hole
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#2066 [20:55] <MCDanny> ok now the fps a below 100 permanently
#2067 [20:55] <MCDanny> so now i have some major lag
#2068 [20:55] <MCDanny> the 384mb thingy didnt help at all it seems
#2069 [20:56] <MCDanny> and sometimes the now "ultralag" kicks in and i have 5 - 8 fps
#2070 [20:56] <DiskDaemon> Ahh, but it has demonstrated a change in circumstances. Increase it in steps of 128 until you reach a point where things become satisfactory
#2071 [20:56] <MCDanny> a bad change though :P
#2072 [20:57] <WhereIsMySpoon> MCDanny: do what DiskDaemon said
#2073 [20:57] <MCDanny> now my fps are ~ 65 and during the lags they go down to insane 5 - 8 - 10
#2074 [20:57] <MCDanny> yeah im doing it right now
#2075 [20:57] <MCDanny> but look the lags are still here and now theyre just even worse
#2076 [20:58] <DiskDaemon> Might that indicate that the lags are not being directly caused by the memory situation?
#2077 [20:59] <MCDanny> i dont know im just a frustrated guy who would like to join his friends on his own god damn server .. : /
#2078 [21:00] <DiskDaemon> Running a server and also using Minecraft from the same machine seems to be a guarantee for poor performance
#2079 [21:00] <MCDanny> i was waiting for someone to say that.
#2080 [21:01] <MCDanny> i have to disagree. been running the server on this same machine for about 1.5 years now and the lags started just a few weeks ago..
#2081 [21:01] <DiskDaemon> glad to not leave you disappointed then :)
#2082 [21:01] <MCDanny> and theyre not lighter in sp
#2083 [21:02] <MCDanny> then again the server app has changed over the updates
#2084 [21:02] <MCDanny> ill try sp with the server off
#2085 [21:02] <MCDanny> lets see if that changes anything
#2086 [21:02] <DiskDaemon> Do you have any backups from before a few weeks ago? You can find out if the backups fix the lag problem, or confirm that the lag is not due to the game.
#2087 [21:03] <MCDanny> nope. i only do backups when trying something big on a world or when having a tnt party(hihi)
#2088 [21:03] <MCDanny> or a tnt war... whatever
#2089 [21:04] <DiskDaemon> Am I understanding correctly that the slow framerate occurs for a short period of time, before improving again?
#2090 [21:04] <Wug> servers can need more because they have to run more people
#2091 [21:05] <MCDanny> diskdaemon - that is correct
#2092 [21:05] <DiskDaemon> That seems to indicate that the computer is busy doing something else, which helps to cause that situation to occur
#2093 [21:05] <DiskDaemon> That can be tested by restarting in to Safe Mode + Networking
#2094 [21:05] <MCDanny> yep grim pointed that out in our conversation and we looked at services and processes but we couldnt find anything power consuming other than mc and google chrome
#2095 [21:06] <MCDanny> hmm well i never tried safe mode we just disabled all services that have nothing to do with mc, including the antivirus
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#2097 [21:06] <MCDanny> and that didnt help at all
#2098 [21:07] <Tremend81> Still doesn't work, any idea?
#2099 [21:07] <lutzee> Tremend81: what antivirus do you use?
#2100 [21:07] <Tremend81> avg
#2101 [21:07] <MCDanny> be right back, getting something to drink
#2102 [21:07] <lutzee> Thought so, disable the link scanner module in AVG Tremend81
#2103 [21:07] <DiskDaemon> The reason for +Networking is so that you can continue to use the server too for testing purposes
#2104 [21:08] <Tremend81> ok
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#2106 [21:08] <lalalala> how to you connect to multiplayer servers on minecraft?
#2107 [21:09] <lutzee> lalalala: you have to add them to the list ingame
#2108 [21:09] <Wug> type the address in the box and click connect
#2109 [21:09] <lutzee> ??> lalalala smp/servers
#2110 [21:09] <VoxelHead> lalalala: (smp/servers) There currently is no master list of all SMP servers. Fan-made indexes include http://minestatus.net/ - http://www.mcserverlist.net/ - http://www.reddit.com/r/mcservers - http://minecraftservers.net/ - http://minecraft.dk/mcserverlist/
#2111 [21:09] <VoxelHead> lalalala: (smp/servers) You can also find a list at the MC forums at http://www.minecraftforum.net/forum/31-servers/ . Also, try the #smp channel.
#2112 [21:09] <lutzee> ^ if you haven't found one
#2113 [21:09] <DiskDaemon> ?? smp/servers
#2114 [21:09] <VoxelHead> smp/servers: There currently is no master list of all SMP servers. Fan-made indexes include http://minestatus.net/ - http://www.mcserverlist.net/ - http://www.reddit.com/r/mcservers - http://minecraftservers.net/ - http://minecraft.dk/mcserverlist/
#2115 [21:09] <VoxelHead> smp/servers: You can also find a list at the MC forums at http://www.minecraftforum.net/forum/31-servers/ . Also, try the #smp channel.
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#2117 [21:09] <Wug> DiskDaemon: too slow
#2118 [21:09] <MCDanny> oh hey i just saw something in my taskbar which i downloaded to try and solve my mc problem - tuneup utilities 2012. increased my notebook's performance greatly but didnt help with mc :(
#2119 [21:09] <MCDanny> maybe tuneup could help me with mc after all?
#2120 [21:09] <MCDanny> or not?
#2121 [21:09] <Wug> MCDanny: those things dont do anything useful
#2122 [21:10] <lutzee> No
#2123 [21:10] <Wug> youre probably better off without it
#2124 [21:10] <lutzee> remove it
#2125 [21:10] <DiskDaemon> :01 for me and :17 for lutzee, according to my laggy side of things here :)
#2126 [21:10] <Wug> DiskDaemon: yeah you're lagging a lot then
#2127 [21:10] <MCDanny> no why would i remove something that increased my pcs general performance :P
#2128 [21:10] <MCDanny> tuneup is awesome
#2129 [21:10] <lutzee> DiskDaemon: i blame your bcn :p
#2130 [21:10] <lutzee> bnx*
#2131 [21:10] <lutzee> -.-
#2132 [21:10] <Wug> bnc**
#2133 [21:10] <lutzee> bnc**
#2134 [21:10] <Wug> wugjad.
#2135 [21:11] <Wug> or as voxelhead would put it
#2136 [21:11] <Wug> OH SNAP!
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#2138 [21:11] <lutzee> Or samantha ;P
#2139 [21:11] <MCDanny> i just pressed the auto maintenance button and it made my notebook way faster and i assumed that mc would be faster too but sadly thats not the case :(
#2140 [21:11] <DiskDaemon> MCDanny: Use the SafeMode+Networking to best rule out many potential problems. Once you confirm whether that helps or not, you will have confirmed whether it's other services that are causing your problem.
#2141 [21:12] <MCDanny> ok be right back..
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#2143 [21:13] <MCDanny> ill login to this chat on my second notebook so that i can gain some keys in whatpulse on my second machine and so that i can contact you better while doing stuff here
#2144 [21:13] <MCDanny> cya in a few seconds
#2145 [21:13] <lutzee> In normal people terms, brb, logging on another machine
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#2147 [21:14] <MCDanny> :(
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#2150 [21:15] <MCDanny> ok
#2151 [21:15] <lutzee> :)
#2152 [21:15] <MCDanny> lets do safe mode
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#2154 [21:15] <MCDanny> oh damn havent done this in a long time.. it's del while booting, right?
#2155 [21:15] <MCDanny> fo
#2156 [21:15] <MCDanny> oops
#2157 [21:16] <DiskDaemon> start > run > msconfig
#2158 [21:16] <lutzee> no f8 normally
#2159 [21:16] <DiskDaemon> that's another way to do it
#2160 [21:16] <MCDanny> ah ok ill do it via msconfig
#2161 [21:16] <MCDanny> totally forgot about that option :P when it comes to safe mode and such
#2162 [21:17] * lutzee never new, and has only loaded safemode from machines that wouldn't boot
#2162 [21:17] <MCDanny> :D
#2163 [21:17] <MCDanny> :D
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#2166 [21:20] <MCDanny> what the... my mc crashes instantly in safe mode
#2167 [21:21] <MCDanny> "bad video card drivers!" very funny, i updated them tuesday of this week :P
#2168 [21:21] <lutzee> oh
#2169 [21:21] <dfwewefwafwefwefwefwefwefwaefa> i need help with the java vitual machine error
#2170 [21:21] <lutzee> -.-
#2171 [21:21] <lutzee> dfwewefwafwefwefwefwefwefwaefa: please shorten your nick using /nick <newnick>
#2172 [21:21] <MCDanny> so what do i do now?
#2173 [21:21] <DiskDaemon> Ahh, your computer graphics don't seem to be good enough to play Minecrafrt without lots of help then. That's a shame.
#2174 [21:21] * MCDanny is now known as :Zapfinger
#2175 [21:22] <Zapfinger> thanks lutzee
#2176 [21:22] <dfwewefwafwefwefwefwefwefwaefa> help
#2177 [21:22] <Zapfinger> mcdanny is my really old name
#2178 [21:22] <Zapfinger> ok and diskdaemon my graphics card is pretty good
#2179 [21:22] <dfwewefwafwefwefwefwefwefwaefa> e
#2180 [21:22] <Zapfinger> so its definetly not that
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#2182 [21:22] <lutzee> Zapfinger: i don't believe it is using your graphics card at all
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#2184 [21:22] <Zapfinger> i think spoon pointed that out earlier when he read my dxdiag
#2185 [21:23] <aefwa> i need help with java virtual machine
#2186 [21:23] <DiskDaemon> It's pretty good, but not good enough it seems to be capable from safe mode
#2187 [21:23] <Zapfinger> lutzee i already suspected that
#2188 [21:23] <DiskDaemon> Did your dxdiag indicate that you have switchable graphics, or something?
#2189 [21:23] <Zapfinger> so how do i change it from the internal chipset to my cardP
#2190 [21:23] <aefwa> me?
#2191 [21:23] <Zapfinger> i have no idea i have never read it carefully
#2192 [21:23] <Zapfinger> :P
#2193 [21:24] <lutzee> for the record http://pastebin.com/ZvtZKSBy
#2194 [21:24] <Zapfinger> i never need it for myself
#2195 [21:24] <DiskDaemon> ?? gpu/discrete
#2196 [21:24] <VoxelHead> gpu/discrete: Some laptops have 'discrete GPUs', which detect when games and the like are being run, and switch from the weaker GPU (usually Intel) to the strong (usually AMD or NVIDIA). Unfortunately, the mode detection is not foolproof, and Minecraft is often not detected as a graphics-intensive program, even though it is.
#2197 [21:24] <VoxelHead> gpu/discrete: Some possible fixes for this are installing a more capable Intel GPU driver, or changing a BIOS setting to always use the better GPU. Details on each of these options can be found at http://bit.ly/ORHfpX
#2198 [21:24] <aefwa> i neeeed heelpp
#2199 [21:24] <DiskDaemon> I recommend going with the BIOS update, so that when using an external power source the better graphics card is always used
#2200 [21:24] <lutzee> ??> aefwa ask
#2201 [21:24] <VoxelHead> aefwa: (ask) Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help with, and be as specific as possible.
#2202 [21:24] <VoxelHead> aefwa: (ask) If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#2203 [21:25] <aefwa> how to fix java vitual machine error
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#2205 [21:25] <carlosishere> Hey everyone
#2206 [21:25] <WhereIsMySpoon> aefwa: pastebin the error
#2207 [21:25] <carlosishere> Quick question
#2208 [21:25] <carlosishere> Is there anyway to get my old ip back
#2209 [21:25] <aefwa> how
#2210 [21:25] <carlosishere> My ip just changed and i want to know if i can get it back
#2211 [21:26] <carlosishere> because everyone already knows it and i will lose many players.
#2212 [21:26] <WhereIsMySpoon> carlosishere: better to get a hostname
#2213 [21:26] <WhereIsMySpoon> that way you dont have to worry about it
#2214 [21:26] <carlosishere> If i use no-ip.com it should be good then right
#2215 [21:26] <carlosishere> ?
#2216 [21:26] <DiskDaemon> carlosishere: No. If you want to keep whichever IP you have, you will need to use an ISP that assigns a static IP to you
#2217 [21:26] <WhereIsMySpoon> which costs money
#2218 [21:26] <WhereIsMySpoon> usually
#2219 [21:26] <aefwa> how do u pastebin?
#2220 [21:26] <carlosishere> Okay
#2221 [21:26] <WhereIsMySpoon> aefwa: copy the text, paste into www.pastebin.com
#2222 [21:26] <carlosishere> so i will just have to use no-ip and my new ip adress.
#2223 [21:26] <carlosishere> I guess
#2224 [21:26] <aefwa> ok
#2225 [21:27] <carlosishere> :P
#2226 [21:27] <carlosishere> Thanks 4 the help./
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#2228 [21:28] <DiskDaemon> Zapfinger: I think that I now know why you're having those lag troubles
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#2231 [21:28] <Zapfinger> here's my mc error in safe mode: pastebin.com/TKKLZQUX
#2232 [21:28] <DiskDaemon> Zapfinger: It's because your computer insists on using the poor graphics card, and only uses the better one when directx is used. Minecraft doesn't use directx. So some other way of telling your computer to use your better graphics card will be needed
#2233 [21:29] <aefwa> what do i paste into the thing??
#2234 [21:29] <aefwa> how to i get to it/
#2235 [21:29] * Smanly|Away is now known as :Smanly
#2236 [21:29] <Wug> aefwa: pastebin is a website.
#2237 [21:29] <Wug> what do you do when you want to find website
#2238 [21:29] <Wug> s
#2239 [21:30] <Wug> here, I'll update your brain's internet driver
#2240 [21:30] <aefwa> i know i dont know where to get the error
#2241 [21:30] <Wug> first, you add .com to the end and try that
#2242 [21:30] <Wug> if that doesn't work, you google it
#2243 [21:30] <Wug> however, you don't have to
#2244 [21:30] <Wug> reinstall java.
#2245 [21:31] <Zapfinger> DiskDaemon: so how do i do that? :)
#2246 [21:31] <Wug> aefwa: go here
#2247 [21:31] <Wug> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre7u7-downloads-1836441.html
#2248 [21:31] <Wug> you need the windows offline one.
#2249 [21:31] <DiskDaemon> Zapfinger: By following the piece on the BIOS from that discrete info
#2250 [21:31] <WhereIsMySpoon> Wug: lol :p
#2251 [21:31] <DiskDaemon> ??> Zapfinger gpu/discrete
#2252 [21:31] <VoxelHead> Zapfinger: (gpu/discrete) Some laptops have 'discrete GPUs', which detect when games and the like are being run, and switch from the weaker GPU (usually Intel) to the strong (usually AMD or NVIDIA). Unfortunately, the mode detection is not foolproof, and Minecraft is often not detected as a graphics-intensive program, even though it is.
#2253 [21:32] <VoxelHead> Zapfinger: (gpu/discrete) Some possible fixes for this are installing a more capable Intel GPU driver, or changing a BIOS setting to always use the better GPU. Details on each of these options can be found at http://bit.ly/ORHfpX
#2254 [21:32] <Wug> WhereIsMySpoon: you are silly.
#2255 [21:32] <WhereIsMySpoon> Wug: you're the one saying you're updating peoples internet drivers
#2256 [21:32] <Wug> and I know what you're doing
#2257 [21:33] * Wug sees the hidden motive.
#2257 [21:33] <WhereIsMySpoon> Wug: also, you still havent answered my pm from like an hour ago :p
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#2259 [21:33] * Wug kicked WhereIsMySpoon from #minecrafthelp (Reason: hereIsMySpoon :WhereIsMySpoon)
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#2261 [21:33] <WhereIsMySpoon> I feel that was uncalled for
#2262 [21:33] <aefwa> what do i do after i submit it?
#2263 [21:33] <WhereIsMySpoon> oh
#2264 [21:33] <Wug> -ChanServ- 53 WhereIsMySpoon +AV (TheNytangel) [modified 54 minutes, 26 seconds ago]
#2265 [21:33] <Wug> don't you feel silly.
#2266 [21:33] <WhereIsMySpoon> bahahaha, oops
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#2268 [21:33] <WhereIsMySpoon> <3333
#2269 [21:33] * lutzee convinces himself that that day will come ^
#2269 [21:34] <WhereIsMySpoon> Wug: yes, yes i do
#2270 [21:34] <Smanly> o/
#2271 [21:34] <aefwa> ?
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#2273 [21:34] <Wug> aefwa: you don't have to submit anything. uninstall any versions of java you have, and install the most recent.
#2274 [21:34] <Wug> :j7
#2275 [21:34] <WugBot> j7: You can try java 7 here: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre7u7-downloads-1836441.html (version 7u7)
#2276 [21:34] <Zapfinger> btw did you look at my mc error pastebin file?
#2277 [21:35] <Zapfinger> so that you can be sure if its really that?
#2278 [21:35] <Wug> Zapfinger: in safe mode that's expected
#2279 [21:35] <Zapfinger> i mean its 3:35 in the morning and im not in the :P
#2280 [21:35] <Zapfinger> not in the mood sry forgot a whole word
#2281 [21:35] <Zapfinger> seems like im tired too :P
#2282 [21:35] <lutzee> Zapfinger: yes it's that
#2283 [21:35] <Wug> windows only loads critical drivers in safe mode, to help you recover from issues that installing a driver might cause
#2284 [21:36] <Wug> you don't get sound or graphics drivers
#2285 [21:36] <lutzee> Yeah, that too
#2286 [21:36] <aefwa> this is a dumb question but which one do i download i have a 32 bit pc?
#2287 [21:36] <Wug> (you do get the generic windows graphics driver but it can't play games)
#2288 [21:36] <Wug> aefwa: the windows offline version
#2289 [21:36] <Zapfinger> hmm the link from the info is so complicated for me.. i usually dont do anything with my bios
#2290 [21:36] <Zapfinger> nothing at all
#2291 [21:36] <Wug> make sure you uninstall your other versions BEFORE you install the new one
#2292 [21:36] <DiskDaemon> So, if you update the bios you can tell your machine to always use the better graphics card when the power is plugged in, which will allow you to continue on with that safe mode testing of minecraft
#2293 [21:37] <aefwa> ok
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#2295 [21:37] <Zapfinger> ok can you please give me a step by step guide? the link didnt help me at all because to me its explained to complicated..
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#2297 [21:38] <Zapfinger> yeah call me dumb but i never do anything else than update my drivers.. i do nothing with my bios
#2298 [21:38] <DiskDaemon> sorry, I'm not equipped up to help with such matters of hardware updates
#2299 [21:38] <Wug> Zapfinger: i'll tell you a secret
#2300 [21:38] <Zapfinger> great..
#2301 [21:38] <Wug> what I'd normally do now is
#2302 [21:39] <Wug> I'd copy the guide, split it up by sentence, and number the steps
#2303 [21:39] <Zapfinger> hmm my cousin should know that stuff .. after all he's a programmer so he should be able to explain that stuff to me :P
#2304 [21:39] <Wug> just ask him to do it
#2305 [21:39] <Wug> and don't forget to explain why you need it
#2306 [21:39] <Wug> and refer him to us if necessary.
#2307 [21:39] <Zapfinger> wug - nope hes in another countrey right now :P
#2308 [21:39] <Zapfinger> xD
#2309 [21:39] <Zapfinger> ok ill do that
#2310 [21:40] <Wug> we geeks can speak geekish
#2311 [21:40] <Wug> we can communicate very efficiently.
#2312 [21:40] <Zapfinger> yeah ive witnessed it once
#2313 [21:40] <Zapfinger> :P
#2314 [21:40] <Zapfinger> when he was chatting with a guy from work
#2315 [21:40] <Wug> l0l d00d n33d5 dr1v3r upd4tz, and n3w b10z
#2316 [21:40] <Zapfinger> xDDD
#2317 [21:40] <Wug> pk34se fl4sh.
#2318 [21:41] <Wug> P42 STAT
#2319 [21:41] <Wug> HUT
#2320 [21:41] <Zapfinger> of course...
#2321 [21:41] <Zapfinger> ok i dont get the HUT
#2322 [21:41] <Zapfinger> xD
#2323 [21:41] <lutzee> Unless you are a nerd then you talk in maths, and wug, is it bad i read that without even thinking?
#2324 [21:41] <Wug> I wrote it without thinking
#2325 [21:42] <Zapfinger> XD
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#2327 [21:42] <aefwa> i need help with java virtual machine error??????
#2328 [21:42] <Zapfinger> all i read was - lol dude needs driver updates, and new bios, please flash, g33ksp34k, g33ksp34k
#2329 [21:42] <Wug> aefwa: you don't have to keep coming back like youve never been here before
#2330 [21:43] <Zapfinger> ;D
#2331 [21:43] <lutzee> Especially after less than 5 minutes
#2332 [21:43] <Wug> you can pick up where you left off. or you can just stay here until its fixed.
#2333 [21:43] <aefwa> ok but that didnt help i didnt do anything
#2334 [21:43] <Wug> :tv > aefwa
#2335 [21:43] <WugBot> aefwa: (tv) Teamviewer is remote access software, which enables other people to, with your permission, access your computer remotely and attempt to perform troubleshooting and diagnostics. Download and run teamviewer from here: http://www.teamviewer.com/en/index.aspx
#2336 [21:43] <WugBot> aefwa: (tv) Once teamviewer has been downloaded, run it (you do not have to install it) and PM the person who asked you to get it your teamviewer ID and password, shown in the teamviewer window. Send the private message with /msg user ID: xxx yyy zzz pass: wwww
#2337 [21:43] <Zapfinger> ok then thanks guys for the assistence, ill call my cousin tomorrow and hopefully he's able to stuff that information into my empty brain
#2338 [21:43] <lutzee> Wug, he's on XP, i suspect he probably doesn't have a decent video driver
#2339 [21:44] <lutzee> Or his PC is too lower spec
#2340 [21:44] <Zapfinger> see ya tomorrow afternoon probably
#2341 [21:44] <WhereIsMySpoon> oh god
#2342 [21:44] <aefwa> ok
#2343 [21:44] <WhereIsMySpoon> Good luck wug
#2344 [21:44] <WhereIsMySpoon> :p
#2345 [21:44] <Zapfinger> ... that means today afternoon
#2346 [21:44] <Zapfinger> good bye guys
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#2349 [21:45] <WhereIsMySpoon> bb
#2350 [21:46] <DiskDaemon> Due to the international situation, it helps to either give the timezone you're speaking about, or just say how many hours from now. But he's gone
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#2353 [21:47] <DiskDaemon> I can assume though that he's from Vienna, which is currently at 3:47am, so afternoon for him is in around 10 hours or so
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#2355 [21:48] <lutzee> He did infact state that is was around that time
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#2357 [21:48] <DiskDaemon> ahh that's right, he did. It's nice to have assumptions confirmed
#2358 [21:48] <fox_> well i bought minecraft and i downloaded the single player servers and the multiplayer servers and i went to play in browser it loaded and updated and the playing screne turned white what should i do?
#2359 [21:49] <Wug> just use the download version
#2360 [21:49] <lutzee> fox_: try using the launcher
#2361 [21:50] <fox_> ya i did bolth turned white
#2362 [21:50] <aefwa> there
#2363 [21:50] <aefwa> u get it
#2364 [21:51] <lutzee> fox_: what version of java are you using, and what antivirus software are you using
#2365 [21:51] <fox_> ? let me check
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#2367 [21:52] <Wug> aefwa: no, I didn't
#2368 [21:52] <Wug> you used my name right?
#2369 [21:52] <aefwa> yup
#2370 [21:52] <aefwa> wugBot
#2371 [21:53] <Wug> my name, not wugbots
#2372 [21:53] <aefwa> ohhhhhh crap
#2373 [21:53] <aefwa> then how com its says wugBot sent it to me?
#2374 [21:54] <Wug> because wugbot is a bot and I made it say it
#2375 [21:54] <aefwa> there
#2376 [21:55] <lutzee> Imagine typing out all that every time someone needs help aefwa? :)
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#2378 [21:55] <aefwa> did u get it wug
#2379 [21:56] <Wug> yes, hold on
#2380 [21:56] <aefwa> ok thanks
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#2384 [21:58] <fox_> 1.7
#2385 [21:59] <bryrunyon> Hi, I'm trying to purchase Minecraft for Mac OSX and I am unable to buy the software with my Visa. I keep getting error messages.
#2386 [22:01] <DiskDaemon> bryrunyon: Would you like to give us details on the error messages?
#2387 [22:02] <bryrunyon> Ok, after I complete the payment process it brings me back to MC.net and says "there was an error processing the payment". Any ideas?
#2388 [22:02] <DiskDaemon> bryrunyon: Contact your bank about what caused the error with their credit card
#2389 [22:04] <bryrunyon> I've tried multiple cards and they all work fine elseware... Are you sure there's nothing else I can do?
#2390 [22:04] <DiskDaemon> yes
#2391 [22:05] <fox_> well i was trying to get minecraft and after i downloaded the single and multiplayer server i tried to play in the broweser and it dowloaded and updated then the player screen turned white what should i do?
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#2396 [22:06] <DiskDaemon> fox_: Play using the downloaded minecraft.exe launcher instead - and attempt to get a crash report with http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Crash#How_to_Get_a_Crash_Report
#2397 [22:07] <fox_> ya i did that too the same thing happened
#2398 [22:07] * DiskDaemon points to the webpage link
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#2402 [22:13] <fox_> but i havent even played the game yet this is as soon as i bought and downloaded it and tryed to play it it crashed
#2403 [22:14] <DiskDaemon> There can be some computer issues that cause such problems. By getting a crash report to us, that can help us to figure out what on your machine is interfering with things
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#2406 [22:16] <fox_> ok i went to the link then went to windows crash report methods and read it and attempted it and i probably did it wrong but it dident work
#2407 [22:17] <DiskDaemon> That's why there are multiple techniques that are presented, so that if one doesn't work for you can use one of the others
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#2409 [22:22] <fox_> xe net
#2410 [22:24] <DiskDaemon> hrm, that doesn't seem right. Let's start again from the start of the first method.
#2411 [22:27] <fox_> this was the third method
#2412 [22:28] <fox_> ok
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#2419 [22:51] <Guest66925> When I try to log into minecraft on the launcher, it says "Cannot connect to Minecraft.net," then it says (Not downloaded). Help?
#2420 [22:52] <GreyVulpine> Has it ever worked before?
#2421 [22:53] <Guest66925> No
#2422 [22:53] <GreyVulpine> Do you see a news feed in the launcher?
#2423 [22:53] <Guest66925> Yes
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#2425 [22:54] <GreyVulpine> What do you see when you go to: https://login.minecraft.net/?user=Meep&password=notreal&version=13
#2426 [22:54] <Guest66925> "Bad login"
#2427 [22:55] <GreyVulpine> Are you able to play on www.minecraft.net/play ?
#2428 [22:55] <DiskDaemon> Does the lower part of the launcher have a dirt background or a black background?
#2429 [22:56] <Wug> Guest66925: has it ever worked before?
#2430 [22:56] <Wug> on that computer.
#2431 [22:56] <Guest66925> Lower part like were the login box is? Its black
#2432 [22:56] <DiskDaemon> ??> Guest66925 win/!
#2433 [22:56] <VoxelHead> Guest66925: (win/!) Having exclamation marks or other special characters in your windows username can break minecraft. A workaround is available. Download and run the following file:
#2434 [22:56] <VoxelHead> Guest66925: (win/!) Special Character Workaround: http://mcfaq.hfbgaming.com/tools/WindowsProfileFix.exe NOTE: We do not guarantee this will work and it may break other parts of Minecraft! Use at your own risk. Must be run as an Administrator.
#2435 [22:58] <Guest66925> Hey, that one worked.
#2436 [22:59] <DiskDaemon> you're welcome
#2437 [22:59] <Guest66925> My windows name did have an ! but I changed it, but it still didn't work.
#2438 [22:59] <Guest66925> Oh, thanks a lot.
#2439 [23:00] <DiskDaemon> Renaming your account doesn't change the folder name of your user account, so that won't fix the problem.
#2440 [23:01] <Guest66925> So I still need to change that?
#2441 [23:01] <DiskDaemon> You can either apply the fix, which moves the Minecraft files to a different location, or you can create a new windows user account which doesn't have the problem.
#2442 [23:03] <Guest66925> So, is there a difference between the workaround and the regular one?
#2443 [23:05] <DiskDaemon> The workaround moves the minecraft files our of your user area, where the special character causes the problem, and in to the ProgramData folder instead
#2444 [23:07] <Guest66925> Okay, I think I'm ready. Thanks a lot guys!
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#2446 [23:08] <undead> What is the difference between a Minecraft VPS and a minecraft server that is hosted by a company ?
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#2460 [23:38] <ineedhelp1111> Hello, i am trying to purchase minecraft with a prepaid vanilla mastercard but it is saying transaction not aloud?
#2461 [23:39] <ineedhelp1111> i want to give you my money y u no take?
#2462 [23:43] <ineedhelp1111> hello? anyone plz
#2463 [23:43] <DiskDaemon> ineedhelp1111: Sorry, prepaid cards aren't allowed to be used for overseas transactions
#2464 [23:43] <ineedhelp1111> So im fucked outa my 50$?
#2465 [23:43] * AuBot kicked ineedhelp1111 from #minecrafthelp (Reason: needhelp1111 :Please keep it civil.)
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#2467 [23:44] <plzhelp12345> so i am #$%#$ outa my 50$?
#2468 [23:45] <DiskDaemon> Looks like he needs to read the terms and conditions first before purchasing things such as as prepaid cards.
#2469 [23:45] <plzhelp12345> well you can smd :)
#2470 [23:45] <plzhelp12345> No help at all.....
#2471 [23:45] <DiskDaemon> plzhelp12345: Or rather, yourself. Yes. Read the terms and conditions of your prepaid card. They are not to be used for overseas transactions.
#2472 [23:45] <plzhelp12345> i hope you step on a lego tbh
#2473 [23:46] <DiskDaemon> Is there anything else we can help you with?
#2474 [23:46] <DiskDaemon> ?? attitude
#2475 [23:46] <VoxelHead> attitude: The people in #MineCraftHelp offering assistance have no affiliation with Mojang, and are volunteering their time. Please treat them, and #MineCraftHelp, with respect.
#2476 [23:46] <VoxelHead> attitude: In short, the more of a jerk you are, the lower-priority your questions will be. We are not the Mojang complaint department.
#2477 [23:46] <plzhelp12345> i told you to step on a lego get over it
#2478 [23:47] <plzhelp12345> can i transfer this money to a paypal acct?
#2479 [23:47] * DiskDaemon kicked plzhelp12345 from #minecrafthelp (Reason: lzhelp12345 :Thank you, come again when there is something we can help with)
#2480 [23:48] <DiskDaemon> Curses - the timing of that was quite unfortunate
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#2484 [23:55] <karebear> why cant i use a visa to get the game
#2485 [23:56] <DiskDaemon> Visa normally can be used. There are some types of it though that can't.
#2486 [23:56] <karebear> can you tell which types i can use
#2487 [23:56] <DiskDaemon> hello again, plzhelp12345 and/or ineedhelp1111
#2488 [23:57] <DiskDaemon> A normal visa credit card that is issued by your bank is perfectly fine.
#2489 [23:57] <karebear> what about a prepaid mastercard
#2490 [23:58] <DiskDaemon> prepaid cards have conditions on them that statre they can't be used for overseas transactions
#2491 [23:58] <karebear> where are u
#2492 [23:59] <DiskDaemon> You are in Kansas, which is in the USA, and Mojang is in Sweden.
#2493 [23:59] <DiskDaemon> I am in New Zealand.
#2494 [23:59] <karebear> i am in camada