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#21 [00:30] <Noose> hello?
#22 [00:30] <Noose> i need help
#23 [00:31] <Noose> how do i update my minecraft server version without losing my server that i made
#24 [00:32] <Noose> hello'
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#26 [00:33] <Erik> How do i update my minecraft server version without losing my server which i worked very hard on
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#30 [00:34] <Erik> hello!
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#32 [00:34] <Erik> hello!
#33 [00:34] <Erik> How do i update my minecraft server version without losing my server which i worked very hard on
#34 [00:34] <Erik> How do i update my minecraft server version without losing my server which i worked very hard on
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#36 [00:44] <SinZ> Tried just replacing the jar/exe?
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#51 [01:31] <Chi-Ohki> Is there a utility available for swapping block/item ids in a save out to different ones on masse? I need to update the block ids in a save as a mod changed every single ID between generations.
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#57 [01:33] <Djici> ..
#58 [01:34] <Djici> Hello i had i ittle problem with my account
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#99 [03:41] <BobJOhnjames42rlam> My computer is not working for MineCraft
#100 [03:42] <BobJOhnjames42rlam> It says it has a bad grahpic card...
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#140 [08:30] <Bubbel> Hi! When I logged in and the game is supposed to start all I get is a black screen. What is wrong? I've tried almost everything, It's getting really annoying... I'd appreciate some help!
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#145 [08:47] <WhereIsMySpoon> Bubbel: what OS?
#146 [08:47] <Bubbel> Windows Vista
#147 [08:48] <WhereIsMySpoon> ?? win/reinst
#148 [08:48] <VoxelHead> win/reinst: You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#149 [08:48] <VoxelHead> win/reinst: To do so, press your Windows+R keys, type in %AppData% at the dialog, and press Enter. In the window that appears, open the .minecraft directory, and delete everything except for the saves directory that you see therein. Then, try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
#150 [08:48] <Bubbel> I've already tried that several times!
#151 [08:49] <WhereIsMySpoon> really
#152 [08:49] <WhereIsMySpoon> ok
#153 [08:49] <WhereIsMySpoon> Bubbel: do you have an error report you can share?
#154 [08:49] <Bubbel> i've gotten no error reports
#155 [08:50] <WhereIsMySpoon> Bubbel: when do you get the black screen?
#156 [08:50] <WhereIsMySpoon> just after the mojang logo?
#157 [08:51] <Bubbel> After it has updated the Mojang logo is supposed to appear right? It doesn't appear at all, it just goes black.
#158 [08:52] <WhereIsMySpoon> ?? win/dxdiag
#159 [08:52] <VoxelHead> win/dxdiag: Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#160 [08:52] <VoxelHead> win/dxdiag: Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
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#162 [08:54] <Bubbel> I've done that also
#163 [08:54] <WhereIsMySpoon> Bubbel: then share it please
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#165 [08:55] <WhereIsMySpoon> Bubbel: read all of those instructions :)
#166 [08:56] <Bubbel> http://pastebin.com/FKJfqmyA
#167 [08:59] <WhereIsMySpoon> ok, you've got the latest drivers which is good
#168 [09:00] <Bubbel> Is there anything that could be wrong?
#169 [09:00] <Bubbel> Or that I've missed?
#170 [09:00] <WhereIsMySpoon> honestly, it sounds like its a mod issue as thats what makes black screens
#171 [09:00] <WhereIsMySpoon> but you said you've deleted .minecraft stuff
#172 [09:00] <Bubbel> Yeah
#173 [09:00] <WhereIsMySpoon> Bubbel: you did delete *everything* except the saves folder right?
#174 [09:01] <Bubbel> Yes, tried it several times
#175 [09:02] <Morrolan> Bubbel: Might be helpful if you'd launch it through the console and provided us with the report (http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Crash#How_to_get_a_crash_report).
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#181 [09:10] <Bubbel> Ok... I have to ask.. What is supposed to happen?
#182 [09:11] <Morrolan> Err, once you followed those four, five steps in the article I linked you to, you should end up with a report which you can slap on pastebin.com or similar.
#183 [09:11] <Bubbel> I get nothing... :(
#184 [09:13] <Morrolan> Be more specific.
#185 [09:16] <Bubbel> It says it will run the game in an offline mode, all I get is the black screen again.
#186 [09:16] <Morrolan> Which method of those I linked did you follow
#187 [09:16] <Morrolan> What do you see, any console, any log, unicorns?
#188 [09:18] <Bubbel> I tried the first method, unfortunately no unicorns, the launcher came up but after I logged in it got black again.
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#190 [09:19] <Morrolan> In addition to the launcher a command prompt (black window, white text) should have shown up.
#191 [09:19] <Morrolan> In there you should get some output.
#192 [09:19] <Morrolan> (The one you opened in step 2)
#193 [09:20] <Bubbel> http://pastebin.com/Yr1XKJwL
#194 [09:21] <WhereIsMySpoon> that's it? O.o
#195 [09:21] <Bubbel> Yep
#196 [09:22] <WhereIsMySpoon> Bubbel: so you typed that command, minecraft started, and you logged in?
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#198 [09:22] <Bubbel> I think my computer is dying. It worked on my netbook but not on this... box.
#199 [09:22] <Bubbel> Yeah I did
#200 [09:23] <Bubbel> I mean, the launcher came up and I logged in but there was no Mojang logo or anything after that, only darkness.
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#202 [09:23] <WhereIsMySpoon> Bubbel: try method 3 please
#203 [09:27] <WhereIsMySpoon> Bubbel: you'll need to run the .bat file in the same directory as your minecraft.exe is in btw
#204 [09:27] <WhereIsMySpoon> or provide hte path to it in the .bat file
#205 [09:31] <Bubbel> Ok, tried method 3. When running the .bat file where the minecraft.exe is located all I got in the log.txt was "asdf" . Did I miss a step?
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#207 [09:40] <WhereIsMySpoon> Bubbel: that doesnt sound right :S
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#210 [09:42] <Bubbel> I know right :c
#211 [09:42] <WhereIsMySpoon> i dont understand why you'd get asdf O.o
#212 [09:42] <Bubbel> Should I even keep trying?
#213 [09:42] <WhereIsMySpoon> like
#214 [09:42] <WhereIsMySpoon> wtf
#215 [09:43] <Bubbel> I know, like a slap in the face
#216 [09:44] <WhereIsMySpoon> hm ok mine does asdf too lol
#217 [09:45] <Bubbel> Lol
#218 [09:46] <Bubbel> What now? All it seems to do is stop. I mean, when it goes black it just stops.
#219 [09:48] <Bubbel> http://pastebin.com/cjaxDNqx
#220 [09:48] <Bubbel> Is what is says after I try to log in.
#221 [09:48] <WhereIsMySpoon> Bubbel: thats exactly what my log looks like
#222 [09:48] <WhereIsMySpoon> my minecraft works tho
#223 [09:48] <WhereIsMySpoon> Bubbel: did you try re-downloading the exe?
#224 [09:48] <Bubbel> lol stupid computer </3
#225 [09:49] <Bubbel> Many, many times :c
#226 [09:49] <WhereIsMySpoon> k
#227 [09:49] <WhereIsMySpoon> well, what can i say
#228 [09:49] <WhereIsMySpoon> vista sucks
#229 [09:49] <WhereIsMySpoon> :p
#230 [09:49] <Bubbel> I didn't get to pick it u.u
#231 [09:50] <Bubbel> So, what to do?
#232 [09:51] <WhereIsMySpoon> Bubbel: no clue
#233 [09:51] <WhereIsMySpoon> Bubbel: come back later and say you tried the stuff in http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Crash#How_to_get_a_crash_report and you deleted .minecraft etc and say that I helped you through all that
#234 [09:52] <WhereIsMySpoon> and that i checked your drivers were ok etc
#235 [09:52] <WhereIsMySpoon> that way you wont have to do it all again
#236 [09:52] <WhereIsMySpoon> as atm i cant think of anything else
#237 [09:53] <Bubbel> In a few hours or something?
#238 [09:53] <WhereIsMySpoon> Bubbel: you're running 32 bit vista right?
#239 [09:54] <Bubbel> Yes
#240 [09:54] <WhereIsMySpoon> Bubbel: can you try this for me?
#241 [09:54] <WhereIsMySpoon> http://www.mesiapk.com/downloads/advancedMinecraftErrorTest.bat
#242 [09:55] <WhereIsMySpoon> then pastebin the output
#243 [09:57] <Bubbel> I can't pastebin it for some reason
#244 [09:58] <WhereIsMySpoon> Bubbel: what do you mean "cant"?
#245 [09:59] <WhereIsMySpoon> Bubbel: right click in the cmd prompt you ran the bat file and select all
#246 [09:59] <WhereIsMySpoon> then paste to pastebin
#247 [09:59] <Bubbel> I can't copy the text, do you want me to write it down instead? If so, give me a minute
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#249 [10:02] <MineCrafter> Could anybody help me with an issue?
#250 [10:02] <WhereIsMySpoon> MineCrafter: sup
#251 [10:03] <MineCrafter> I know it's only the one computer now, but it has some of my servers on it.
#252 [10:03] <MineCrafter> The one computer for some odd reason, after about 10-30 seconds the graphics will go crazy
#253 [10:03] <MineCrafter> and it will lag a lot
#254 [10:04] <MineCrafter> I think the one time it crashed it might have said something about opengl?
#255 [10:04] <WhereIsMySpoon> MineCrafter: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Crash#How_to_get_a_crash_report please use that and get me a crash report - are your graphics drivers up to date and do you know for sure your pc can handle multiple servers/clients running?
#256 [10:05] <WhereIsMySpoon> minecraft is quite resource intensive
#257 [10:05] <MineCrafter> Well, the thing that kind of complicates it is it's a school computer.
#258 [10:05] <MineCrafter> And I'm not currently on it.
#259 [10:06] <WhereIsMySpoon> MineCrafter: then i doubt it can handle multiple mc servers tbh
#260 [10:06] <MineCrafter> It has been able to run minecraft fine for months
#261 [10:06] <MineCrafter> And the other computers can
#262 [10:06] <MineCrafter> All i play is lan and singleplayer servers, not multiplayer :p
#263 [10:08] <WhereIsMySpoon> MineCrafter: cant do anything without crash reports rly
#264 [10:08] <MineCrafter> any ideas?
#265 [10:08] <WhereIsMySpoon> it could be a myriad of things
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#267 [10:08] <MineCrafter> Hm...
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#269 [10:08] <MineCrafter> What if i were to explain it?
#270 [10:09] <MineCrafter> like what happens?
#271 [10:09] <WhereIsMySpoon> i need the crash report to help diagnose it
#272 [10:09] <MineCrafter> agh,
#273 [10:09] <WhereIsMySpoon> sorry
#274 [10:10] <MineCrafter> Well I mean not much happens \:
#275 [10:10] <MineCrafter> like i said, it's only the one computer and basically the graphics mess up and it starts to heavily lag
#276 [10:11] <WhereIsMySpoon> MineCrafter: only thing i can recommend is to reinstall minecraft and see if that helps
#277 [10:11] <WhereIsMySpoon> ?? win/reinst
#278 [10:11] <VoxelHead> win/reinst: You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#279 [10:11] <VoxelHead> win/reinst: To do so, press your Windows+R keys, type in %AppData% at the dialog, and press Enter. In the window that appears, open the .minecraft directory, and delete everything except for the saves directory that you see therein. Then, try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
#280 [10:12] <MineCrafter> nah tried that yesterday \:
#281 [10:13] <MineCrafter> do you know how i could transfer my servers from one computer to another?
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#283 [10:14] <WhereIsMySpoon> MineCrafter: using bukkit?
#284 [10:14] <MineCrafter> whats bukkit
#285 [10:14] <MineCrafter> =p
#286 [10:15] <WhereIsMySpoon> MineCrafter: do you have mods
#287 [10:15] <WhereIsMySpoon> on your server
#288 [10:15] <MineCrafter> i don't
#289 [10:15] <MineCrafter> the only thing that i did was change the version from 1.4.4 to 1.4.2, then came back from thanksgiving break
#290 [10:16] <MineCrafter> and updated to 1.4.5
#291 [10:16] <WhereIsMySpoon> MineCrafter: then just copy your world folders and the relevant minecraft server files across to a diff comp and it should work
#292 [10:17] <MineCrafter> do you think i could save them into my school network folder?
#293 [10:17] <MineCrafter> I would have to completely change computers with some1 else lol
#294 [10:17] <WhereIsMySpoon> MineCrafter: dont see why not if you have space
#295 [10:18] <MineCrafter> I would have to unplug the other persons computer
#296 [10:18] <MineCrafter> then unplug mine
#297 [10:18] <MineCrafter> then plug theres in
#298 [10:18] <WhereIsMySpoon> O.o
#299 [10:18] <MineCrafter> then plug mine in
#300 [10:18] <MineCrafter> XD
#301 [10:18] <WhereIsMySpoon> wat
#302 [10:18] <MineCrafter> the computers in the computer lab (the computer thats working weird with MC)
#303 [10:18] <MineCrafter> they have a monitor and the bridge?
#304 [10:18] <MineCrafter> the main part y'know
#305 [10:18] <WhereIsMySpoon> bridge?
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#307 [10:19] <WhereIsMySpoon> wat
#308 [10:19] <MineCrafter> it's the part where u turn the computer off
#309 [10:19] <MineCrafter> lol
#310 [10:19] <MineCrafter> its not the modem
#311 [10:19] <MineCrafter> ergh..
#312 [10:19] <MineCrafter> what's it called? I honestly have no idea
#313 [10:19] <MineCrafter> the computer itself part
#314 [10:19] <MineCrafter> not the point really :p
#315 [10:20] <WhereIsMySpoon> k well
#316 [10:20] <WhereIsMySpoon> try it on another pc if you like
#317 [10:20] <WhereIsMySpoon> this isnt anything to do with me
#318 [10:20] <MineCrafter> well i have another question
#319 [10:21] <MineCrafter> Yesterday I asked some people in here and their feedback was.... pretty much bad
#320 [10:21] <MineCrafter> what are your feelings toward intel celerion for mc?
#321 [10:21] <WhereIsMySpoon> MineCrafter: ask
#322 [10:21] <MineCrafter> The computer doesn't seem bad to me... but they all basically said MC wouldn't even work
#323 [10:21] <WhereIsMySpoon> celerions are for low power, low resource usage pcs
#324 [10:22] <MineCrafter> it has 4gb memory, it's an asus
#325 [10:22] <MineCrafter> I won't run mc on high detail or anything like that
#326 [10:22] <WhereIsMySpoon> MineCrafter: its the render distance that does it
#327 [10:22] <WhereIsMySpoon> on the client that si
#328 [10:22] <WhereIsMySpoon> is*
#329 [10:22] <MineCrafter> tell me this
#330 [10:22] <WhereIsMySpoon> never
#331 [10:22] <MineCrafter> huh?
#332 [10:23] <WhereIsMySpoon> i was messing
#333 [10:23] <WhereIsMySpoon> go on
#334 [10:23] <MineCrafter> oh :p
#335 [10:23] <MineCrafter> If i would run it on mainly low graphics
#336 [10:23] <MineCrafter> good enough to play
#337 [10:23] <MineCrafter> would I be able to play withut a reasonable amount of lag?
#338 [10:23] <WhereIsMySpoon> no idea, i'd need specs
#339 [10:23] <WhereIsMySpoon> also, lag != low fps
#340 [10:24] <MineCrafter> sec
#341 [10:24] <MineCrafter> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Asus+-+14%26%2334%3B+Laptop+-+4GB+Memory+-+320GB+Hard+Drive+-+Indigo/6892427.p?id=1218810958395&skuId=6892427
#342 [10:25] <MineCrafter> hmmm?
#343 [10:25] <WhereIsMySpoon> windows 8?
#344 [10:26] <WhereIsMySpoon> MineCrafter: it uses UMA
#345 [10:26] <WhereIsMySpoon> thats bad
#346 [10:26] <WhereIsMySpoon> for gaming
#347 [10:27] <WhereIsMySpoon> MineCrafter: you might get away with running one minecraft client on low render distance
#348 [10:27] <WhereIsMySpoon> that 4gb ram aint gonna help you much with your awful UMA graphics and 1.8ghz
#349 [10:29] <MineCrafter> idc about graphics
#350 [10:29] <MineCrafter> ;)
#351 [10:30] <WhereIsMySpoon> MineCrafter: your pc does
#352 [10:30] <Bubbel> Sorry for late reply, http://pastebin.com/PKp2e92h
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#355 [10:30] <WhereIsMySpoon> Bubbel: according to this report, the pc you're trying to run minecraft on doesnt have access to the internet
#356 [10:31] <Bubbel> But I obviously do, right? >_<
#357 [10:31] <WhereIsMySpoon> Bubbel: are you on irc on the same pc as you're trying to run minecraft on?
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#360 [10:32] <Bubbel> Yeah I am
#361 [10:32] <WhereIsMySpoon> Bubbel: go to minecraft.net and try to log in
#362 [10:33] <Bubbel> I am logged in there now
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#364 [10:33] <YoshisStory> Hi
#365 [10:33] <YoshisStory> Hey
#366 [10:33] <YoshisStory> Can someone say something?
#367 [10:33] <YoshisStory> Please
#368 [10:33] <YoshisStory> ...
#369 [10:33] <WhereIsMySpoon> Bubbel: what's your minecraft username
#370 [10:34] <WhereIsMySpoon> YoshisStory: dont spam please
#371 [10:34] <YoshisStory> What
#372 [10:34] <WhereIsMySpoon> say what you want to say on one line
#373 [10:34] <YoshisStory> I'm not spamming
#374 [10:35] <WhereIsMySpoon> YoshisStory: you just said hi twice and immediately kept demanding that someone do something for you. ask something once, then wait for a response
#375 [10:35] <WhereIsMySpoon> In any case, what do you want help with?
#376 [10:35] * Spudstabber is now known as Spud|Away
#377 [10:35] <Bubbel> Bubbelicious
#378 [10:35] <WhereIsMySpoon> !paid Bubbelicious
#379 [10:35] <YoshisStory> I want know who am I
#380 [10:35] <YoshisStory> That's my question
#381 [10:36] <WhereIsMySpoon> ah crap i forgot that thing is broken
#382 [10:36] <WhereIsMySpoon> YoshisStory: go troll somewhere else
#383 [10:36] <YoshisStory> What's troll
#384 [10:36] <YoshisStory> I'm stupid you know
#385 [10:37] <WhereIsMySpoon> Bubbel: i got no clue
#386 [10:37] <MineCrafter> whereismyspoon tell me
#387 [10:37] <MineCrafter> scale of 1-10 how much lag do u think it will have
#388 [10:37] <MineCrafter> 1 being little to none, 10 being a lot
#389 [10:37] <WhereIsMySpoon> MineCrafter: depends what other applications you got running
#390 [10:37] <YoshisStory> What's a scale
#391 [10:37] <MineCrafter> uhhh
#392 [10:37] <MineCrafter> none?
#393 [10:38] <MineCrafter> lets just say the equivalent of firefox
#394 [10:38] <YoshisStory> Google Chrome
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#399 [10:38] <MineCrafter> spoon/
#400 [10:38] <MineCrafter> ?
#401 [10:39] <YoshisStory> Hey Where is my spoon?
#402 [10:39] <WhereIsMySpoon> MineCrafter: if you run it on tiny/small render distance and dont have other apps open, you would prolly have an ok experience
#403 [10:39] <YoshisStory> My spoon's gone
#404 [10:39] <MineCrafter> spoon
#405 [10:39] <MineCrafter> i intend to play a mc multiplayer server
#406 [10:39] <YoshisStory> >:)
#407 [10:39] * Rogue[Class] is now known as _Rogue_
#408 [10:39] <MineCrafter> hopefully things go well
#409 [10:40] <WhereIsMySpoon> Bubbel: do what i said earlier and wait a few hours then ask again, mentioning all the steps you did and that I helped you through them
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#411 [10:40] <YoshisStory> Hh
#412 [10:40] <YoshisStory> Why I cannot play Minecraft Multiplayer
#413 [10:40] <Bubbel> K, Spoon, what do you think I should do? ><
#414 [10:40] <WhereIsMySpoon> Bubbel: i just said that :p
#415 [10:41] <YoshisStory> How to join Minecraft server
#416 [10:41] <Bubbel> sorry, i forgot to scroll down before i wrote
#417 [10:41] <WhereIsMySpoon> :D
#418 [10:41] <YoshisStory> How to join Minecraft server
#419 [10:42] * Spud|Away is now known as Spudstabber
#420 [10:42] <YoshisStory> How to join Minecraft server?
#421 [10:42] <YoshisStory> How to join Minecraft server?
#422 [10:43] <YoshisStory> How to join Minecraft server?
#423 [10:43] <YoshisStory> How to join Minecraft server?
#424 [10:43] <Bubbel> I think I will put playing minecraft on hold until I get a new computer! I appreciate all your help, I'm sure it would have worked on a healthy computer.
#425 [10:43] <YoshisStory> How to join Minecraft server?
#426 [10:43] <YoshisStory> Answer, answerer
#427 [10:44] <Selbram> YoshisStory, click on multiplayer, input a server address and MAGIC
#428 [10:44] * frdmn is now known as frdmn|away
#429 [10:44] <YoshisStory> I've do that
#430 [10:44] <YoshisStory> It keeps says failed
#431 [10:45] <YoshisStory> How to join Minecraft server?
#432 [10:45] <Selbram> screenshot
#433 [10:45] <YoshisStory> How to join Minecraft server?
#434 [10:45] <YoshisStory> How to join Minecraft server?
#435 [10:45] <Selbram> You ask again and I will stop helping you
#436 [10:45] <YoshisStory> How to solve a Rubik's Cube?
#437 [10:46] <YoshisStory> How to solve a Rubik's Cube?
#438 [10:46] <Selbram> DiskDaemon are you there?
#439 [10:46] <YoshisStory> How to solve a Rubik's Cube?
#440 [10:46] <YoshisStory> How to solve a Rubik's Cube?
#441 [10:46] <Selbram> Morrolan
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#443 [10:46] <YoshisStory> How to solve a Rubik's Cube?
#444 [10:46] <YoshisStory> How to solve a Rubik's Cube?
#445 [10:46] <YoshisStory> Answer me, answerer
#446 [10:46] <YoshisStory> How to solve a Rubik's Cube?
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#449 [10:46] <Selbram> DopeGhoti, we need a ban!!!
#450 [10:46] <YoshisStory> How to solve a Rubik's Cube?
#451 [10:47] <YoshisStory> How to solve a Rubik's Cube?
#452 [10:47] <YoshisStory> How to solve a Rubik's Cube?
#453 [10:47] <YoshisStory> How??
#454 [10:47] <YoshisStory> How to solve a Rubik's Cube?
#455 [10:47] <YoshisStory> How to solve a Rubik's Cube?
#456 [10:47] <YoshisStory> How to solve a Rubik's Cube?
#457 [10:47] <YoshisStory> How to solve a Rubik's Cube?
#458 [10:47] <YoshisStory> How to solve a Rubik's Cube?
#459 [10:47] <YoshisStory> How to solve a Rubik's Cube?
#460 [10:47] <YoshisStory> How to solve a Rubik's Cube?
#461 [10:47] <YoshisStory> How to solve a Rubik's Cube?
#462 [10:47] <YoshisStory> How to solve a Rubik's Cube?
#463 [10:48] <YoshisStory> How to solve a Rubik's Cube?
#464 [10:48] <YoshisStory> How to solve a Rubik's Cube?
#465 [10:48] <YoshisStory> How to solve a Rubik's Cube?
#466 [10:48] <YoshisStory> How to solve a Rubik's Cube?
#467 [10:48] <YoshisStory> How to solve a Rubik's Cube?
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#469 [10:48] <Grim_Reaper> Morrolan?
#470 [10:48] <Selbram> omg he finnaly quick
#471 [10:48] <Grim_Reaper> DopeGhoti
#472 [10:48] <Selbram> quit
#473 [10:49] <Grim_Reaper> Yeah
#474 [10:49] <Grim_Reaper> For now
#475 [10:49] <Selbram> and no ops to deal with it
#476 [10:49] <Grim_Reaper> Bleh
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#478 [10:51] <Selbram> !
#479 [10:51] <YoshisStory> How to solve a Rubik's Cube?
#480 [10:51] <Selbram> FFFFFF!
#481 [10:51] <YoshisStory> I'm just asking..
#482 [10:51] <Grim_Reaper> TheNoodle!
#483 [10:51] <Grim_Reaper> Ban it
#484 [10:51] <YoshisStory> Why?
#485 [10:51] <Grim_Reaper> Iguana D:
#486 [10:51] <Grim_Reaper> You spammed you retard
#487 [10:51] <YoshisStory> I'm just asking
#488 [10:51] <Grim_Reaper> !kick YoshisStory spamming
#489 [10:51] * AuBot kicked YoshisStory from #minecrafthelp (Reason: oshisStory :Uh oh! Looks like someone should have read the rules! (Issued by Grim_Reaper with reason: spamming))
#490 [10:52] <Selbram> AuBot don't unban
#491 [10:52] <Selbram> damnit
#492 [10:52] <Selbram> :)
#493 [10:52] <Grim_Reaper> :|
#494 [10:52] <WhereIsMySpoon> ah, i thought there was a way to kickban
#495 [10:52] <Grim_Reaper> I don't have access sadly
#496 [10:52] <WhereIsMySpoon> well, he was kicked at least
#497 [10:52] <Grim_Reaper> mhm
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#499 [10:54] <Grim_Reaper> !flags
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#502 [10:56] <Grim_Reaper> Hah
#503 [10:56] <TheNoodle> silly grim
#504 [10:56] <TheNoodle> all this yime, you derp
#505 [10:56] <Grim_Reaper> I forgot about that way of banning T_T
#506 [10:56] <Grim_Reaper> Thanks TheNoodle :p
#507 [10:56] <TheNoodle> np
#508 [10:57] <Grim_Reaper> I would +v you but that would make you look awful
#509 [10:57] <Selbram> the stupid was starting to become painful
#510 [10:57] <Grim_Reaper> Yeah
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#520 [11:29] <minerdude146> hi, so, I try to play minecraft, but it says ' bad video card drivers ' and ' no open Gl mode. I have tried so much to update them, i've been on the intel website to find updates, i've gone on my computer, advanced settings and all that, but it just won't works, any help?
#521 [11:30] <Selbram> ?? win/dxdiag
#522 [11:30] <VoxelHead> win/dxdiag: Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#523 [11:30] <VoxelHead> win/dxdiag: Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#524 [11:30] <Selbram> Get us that information and someone will likely be able to assist you.
#525 [11:31] <minerdude146> ok
#526 [11:33] <minerdude146> i'ts an intel (R) 82865 G Graphics controller and The computer is windows 7
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#528 [11:37] <minerdude146> ../
#529 [11:37] <Selbram> You may have to be patient, I am at work and can't look up anything at the moment. Maybe someone else can assist.
#530 [11:38] <minerdude146> ok, cheers
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#532 [11:41] <Calinou> minerdude146: that graphics card isn't fast at all
#533 [11:41] <Calinou> minecraft will probably not be playable, sorry
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#535 [11:41] <Calinou> note that mojang doesn't offer refunds for the game, it's your responsability to check whether your hardware is fast enough or not
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#537 [11:41] <Jhwarby> /join bukkity
#538 [11:41] <Jhwarby> Oops
#539 [11:42] <Jhwarby> Spelt it wrong too
#540 [11:42] <minerdude146> I haven't purchased it, it's the demo version i've used
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#564 [12:27] <brawny> So my problem is when i am my own house i cannot connect to this server (mc.awnw.net) but when i am at any of my friends houses (they are all with rogers as well as myself) i have no problem whatsoever
#565 [12:29] <brawny> when i cant connect the message is " connection timed out:connect"
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#568 [12:30] <lukegb> brawny: any antivirus/firewall software?
#569 [12:31] <_Rogue_> and what ip are you using to connect
#570 [12:31] <_Rogue_> just the mc.awnw.net?
#571 [12:31] <brawny> yes
#572 [12:31] <_Rogue_> might want to try a local or loopback ip
#573 [12:32] <_Rogue_> some routers don't support connecting to your own external
#574 [12:32] <_Rogue_> unless you mean it's someone elses?
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#581 [12:49] <DustBux> Hi everyone
#582 [12:49] <DustBux> My mine craft keeps crashing every time
#583 [12:50] <DustBux> played today in class on our server and everything went well
#584 [12:50] <DustBux> and this evening I can't open the menu, open a chest, open my innovatory and I can't open the chat
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#587 [12:53] <blooddrunkreaper> anyone know anything about an issue with whitelists?
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#590 [13:04] <DopeGhoti> Selbram: you rang?
#591 [13:05] <Selbram> all good now
#592 [13:05] <Selbram> there was a spam-a-paloza happening
#593 [13:05] <DopeGhoti> yeah, I see it
#594 [13:05] <DopeGhoti> it was while I was sleeping. Putting a perma on that IP on all Vox channels.
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#601 [13:22] <MineCrafter> whereismyspoon
#602 [13:24] <MineCrafter> Could anybody help me with something?
#603 [13:25] <Calinou> don't ask to ask, MineCrafter
#604 [13:25] <Calinou> just ask :P
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#607 [13:35] <DustBux> My mine craft keeps crashing every time
#608 [13:36] <DustBux> played today in class on our server and everything went well
#609 [13:36] <DustBux> and this evening I can't open the menu, open a chest, open my innovatory and I can't open the chat
#610 [13:37] <DustBux> Anyone???
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#614 [14:02] <MineCrafter> bacj
#615 [14:02] <MineCrafter> back
#616 [14:02] <MineCrafter> Is anybody here currently who could help
#617 [14:02] <MineCrafter> ?
#618 [14:03] <MineCrafter> anybody?
#619 [14:04] <MineCrafter> ok
#620 [14:05] <MineCrafter> so this problem only happens on this one computer
#621 [14:05] <MineCrafter> which should narrow down the problem with it
#622 [14:05] <MineCrafter> Whenever I try to play MC on this computer , after about 30 seconds the game starts to lag a lot
#623 [14:05] <MineCrafter> and the MC screen starts to mess up graphically
#624 [14:05] <DopeGhoti> ?? specs
#625 [14:05] <VoxelHead> specs: Please tell us, to the best of your knowledge and ability, the following: Your computer's make and model, which operating system you are using (including whether it is 32- or 64-bit), how much RAM your computer has, which GPU your computer has, and which version of Java you have installed.
#626 [14:05] <MineCrafter> http://oi49.tinypic.com/120h06o.jpg AND http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2zqd4w7&s=6
#627 [14:06] <MineCrafter> two pictures of it
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#630 [14:06] <Kealper> that's.... interesting
#631 [14:06] <Kealper> if i had to guess, i'd say video driver issues
#632 [14:06] <DopeGhoti> I am in clined to concur
#633 [14:06] <MineCrafter> where might I find the information about the computer
#634 [14:06] <MineCrafter> I
#635 [14:06] <MineCrafter> I'm forgetting right now
#636 [14:06] <DopeGhoti> ?? win/dxdiag
#637 [14:06] <VoxelHead> win/dxdiag: Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#638 [14:07] <VoxelHead> win/dxdiag: Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#639 [14:08] <MineCrafter> It's a custom made computer (V7), 32 bit, windows 7, and 4096mb RAM
#640 [14:08] <MineCrafter> not sure which java version
#641 [14:08] <Kealper> ok, but follow what VoxelHead said, that'll give us a lot more information about it than you could
#642 [14:09] <MineCrafter> http://pastebin.com/6P7fhwmV
#643 [14:10] <MineCrafter> ?
#644 [14:10] <DopeGhoti> your GPU drivers are only a month or so old, but I would check for updated drivers nonetheless
#645 [14:10] <Kealper> one moment
#646 [14:10] <DopeGhoti> ?? gpu/nvidia
#647 [14:10] <VoxelHead> gpu/nvidia: You can get drivers for NVIDIA video cards here: http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx
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#649 [14:11] <MineCrafter> Don't really know how to work with that stuff ghoti?
#650 [14:11] <DopeGhoti> Also, if you are using the Nvidia control panel to override graphical settings (forcing anti-ailiasing, etc.), try setting them back to default.
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#652 [14:11] <DopeGhoti> MineCrafter: go to that site. follow its instructions for detecting your GPU for you
#653 [14:12] <MineCrafter> Ghoti, you'll have to dumb that down for me :p (the nvidia overiding part)
#654 [14:12] <MineCrafter> I'll download the one that looks right
#655 [14:13] <MineCrafter> so once I download + install it MC should work or..?
#656 [14:14] <MineCrafter> ghotiiiiiii
#657 [14:14] <Kealper> it might
#658 [14:14] <DopeGhoti> ?? patience
#659 [14:14] <VoxelHead> patience: Please be patient when waiting for a response. Many of the helpers here are helping in their free time at school or work, and often get called away.
#660 [14:14] <Kealper> it also might not
#661 [14:14] <VoxelHead> patience: In short, your supplications will be answered, in the order in which they are received. See also ?? attitude.
#662 [14:15] <DopeGhoti> if you don't know how do un-override settings, you probably never overrode them in the first place, so nevermind that.
#663 [14:15] <MineCrafter> ok
#664 [14:16] <MineCrafter> ugh
#665 [14:16] <MineCrafter> only one thing left I can do
#666 [14:17] <DopeGhoti> you cannot have reinstlled the drivers yet.
#667 [14:17] <DopeGhoti> do start there.
#668 [14:17] <MineCrafter> Ghoti
#669 [14:17] <MineCrafter> Suprising as it may be,.. I'm okokokok from yesterday
#670 [14:18] <DopeGhoti> somehow I am not surprised.
#671 [14:18] <MineCrafter> I tried downloading the Nvidia thing but, need an admin password to install
#672 [14:18] <MineCrafter> ya I know I was being sarcastic (=
#673 [14:18] <DopeGhoti> if it's not your computer, then there's really not much further that I can advise other than to get your own.
#674 [14:19] <Selbram> and you can't install it because it is a school pc right?
#675 [14:19] <MineCrafter> I could always put my 'saves' into the network folder i have..
#676 [14:19] <MineCrafter> then switch the computer base things with somebody else
#677 [14:19] <MineCrafter> mhm selbram
#678 [14:20] <MineCrafter> few
#679 [14:20] <MineCrafter> Why does it make minecraft lag SO hard though?
#680 [14:20] <DopeGhoti> ?? retro
#681 [14:20] <VoxelHead> retro: Just because Minecraft's graphics have a retro styling does not mean that you can run the game on a Commodore 64.
#682 [14:20] <VoxelHead> retro: Minecraft will make a computer work just as hard, and in some cases harder than, many other contemporary games. There is a reason that it allocates 1GB of RAM at startup.
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#684 [14:21] <MineCrafter> there is about 2.3gb of memory
#685 [14:21] <Selbram> You should do school stuff in school. If minecraft is school stuff then have one of the staff who can actually fix the computer get on here.
#686 [14:21] <MineCrafter> Selbram, there is time for school work and time for MC =)
#687 [14:21] <DopeGhoti> then talk to your school's IT personnel
#688 [14:22] <Selbram> ^
#689 [14:22] <MineCrafter> I know they watch over the computers
#690 [14:22] <MineCrafter> maybe they'll see this and fix for me
#691 [14:22] <MineCrafter> XD
#692 [14:22] <Selbram> or ask someone
#693 [14:22] <Selbram> I am IT at my job, if you don't tell me there is a problem, it won't get fixed.
#694 [14:22] <MineCrafter> No idea where IT people are anyways, and pretty sure they wouldn't help me fix a game
#695 [14:23] <MineCrafter> I just don't understand... the computer played minecraft fine before thanksgiving break?
#696 [14:23] <Selbram> Who is responsible for the computers
#697 [14:23] <MineCrafter> What possibly could of happened?
#698 [14:23] <MineCrafter> uhhh dunno somebody fixes them probably the It people like you said
#699 [14:24] <NinjaKirby> I had to live on NEStron in College, SMB1 ftw.
#700 [14:24] <Selbram> So they are just in a random room with no supervison?
#701 [14:24] <MineCrafter> There's a teacher?
#702 [14:24] <Selbram> ask the teaqcher!
#703 [14:24] <MineCrafter> It goes like this
#704 [14:24] <DopeGhoti> So you're surprised that a communal computer had behavioral changes over a period of several weeks?
#705 [14:25] <DopeGhoti> Ask your registrar if there's a course on causality you can take.
#706 [14:25] <MineCrafter> It goes like this
#707 [14:25] <NinjaKirby> There's teachers in a school?
#708 [14:25] <MineCrafter> You're not [SUPPOSED] to play games, but a lot of people do. The teacher usually [DOESNT] care
#709 [14:25] <Morrolan> Sounds like any school, so far. ^.^
#710 [14:25] <MineCrafter> But they would care if you actually asked them to help you fix a game
#711 [14:25] <Selbram> Exactly what I thought
#712 [14:26] <DopeGhoti> We are not here to help you do what your are not supposed to do, regardless of now indifferent your school's faculty is.
#713 [14:26] <Selbram> ^
#714 [14:26] <MineCrafter> Ghoti, how I handle my work is how I decide to spend my time =)
#715 [14:26] <DopeGhoti> Please come back if you need help running software on a computer upon which you are actually authorized to install it.
#716 [14:26] <Selbram> ^
#717 [14:27] <MineCrafter> Meh
#718 [14:27] <MineCrafter> like I said
#719 [14:27] <MineCrafter> probably just going to switch the computer bases sometime when I can
#720 [14:27] <MineCrafter> start playing mc again... etc
#721 [14:27] <Selbram> It would seem the official policy of your school is you shouldn't but they are lax about the enforcing of that.
#722 [14:27] <DopeGhoti> ?? scold/bother
#723 [14:27] <VoxelHead> scold/bother: If you aren't going to listen to the advice from the volunteers here, don't ask for it in the first place.
#724 [14:27] <MineCrafter> I didn't ask for advice on how to spend my time =)
#725 [14:28] <Selbram> ./ignore
#726 [14:29] <Eddie> Is there a problem?
#727 [14:29] <DopeGhoti> only basic reading comprehension.
#728 [14:29] <Kealper> ^
#729 [14:30] <MineCrafter> Ghoti is once again, offending me.
#730 [14:30] <MineCrafter> Do not be so short tempered.
#731 [14:30] <DopeGhoti> Do not be so self-entitled.
#732 [14:30] <Selbram> ^
#733 [14:30] * NinjaKirby points an arrow upwards as well ^ Since it's the current trend
#733 [14:31] <NinjaKirby> Gotta be hip and with it these days.
#734 [14:31] <Selbram> ^
#735 [14:31] <NinjaKirby> lol
#736 [14:31] <Selbram> :)
#737 [14:31] <Kealper> basically you're asking people to fix a game on a computer that you don't actually have permission to play games on
#738 [14:31] <Selbram> ^
#739 [14:31] <DopeGhoti> ↑
#740 [14:31] <MineCrafter> I ask questions that you do not have to answer, you choose to volunteer. A good volunteer can deal with people who are sometimes difficult to deal with.
#741 [14:31] <MineCrafter> Correct?
#742 [14:32] <Kealper> sure, they may not notice, but you even said yourself.. if you asked them to help you get the game working, stuff would turn pear-shaped for you pretty quick, because when it comes down to it, you are not supposed to play playing Minecraft in school, you are supposed to be learning
#743 [14:32] <MineCrafter> Kealper, I do learn. But I occasionally like to take a break and play MC
#744 [14:32] <DopeGhoti> then get your own computer upon which to play it.
#745 [14:32] <MineCrafter> Considering I've been working on the one map for a good amount of time, over a period of time.
#746 [14:33] <MineCrafter> My friends play at school too.
#747 [14:33] <Kealper> well it's pretty clear this is like talking to a brick wall
#748 [14:33] <Kealper> if you do not understand what we're saying, that's entirely your problem
#749 [14:33] <Kealper> or rather, understand the reasoning behind what we're saying
#750 [14:33] <MineCrafter> Kealper you're missing what I'm trying to tell you
#751 [14:33] <MineCrafter> People need breaks
#752 [14:34] <Selbram> We don't care, you can't help us help you fix the problem becuase you should not be using the computer to play games.
#753 [14:34] <Eddie> Tell that to your school administration, MineCrafter
#754 [14:34] <Kealper> ^
#755 [14:34] <Selbram> What you do with your time is for you to deal with, we can't assist you.
#756 [14:34] <MineCrafter> I'm not trying to annoy you guys intentionally, but if I don't know something I'm going to ask.
#757 [14:36] <DiskDaemon> I've just come in to this conversation, so I'm guessing that this is a school computer for which he should be contacting IT support?
#758 [14:36] <Scott> hmmmr
#759 [14:36] <Scott> you guys know that we actually have some schools as clients
#760 [14:36] <Scott> Minecraft is a teaching tool.
#761 [14:36] <Selbram> yes, this wold not be one of them
#762 [14:36] <Selbram> he has told us such
#763 [14:36] <Scott> ah lol
#764 [14:36] <Kealper> Scott: he's even said himself that he would get in trouble if he went to the IT about it
#765 [14:36] <Scott> ah.
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#767 [14:37] <DiskDaemon> It's simple then - do not use the school computer to play Minecraft
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#769 [14:37] <Kealper> i mean... if it was actually allowed there, and one of their IT couldn't fix it, i'd be more than happy to dig deeper and try to fix it, but i and others in here have no desire to help this kid slack off
#770 [14:38] <Selbram> this ^
#771 [14:38] <MineCrafter> Why do you refer to me as such?
#772 [14:38] <Kealper> i've played the whole "messing around in school instead of working", and it came back to bite me really hard, with me being required to spend an extra few years making up for highschool credits i didn't get while actually in school, so i could get a diploma
#773 [14:39] <MineCrafter> gtg
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#775 [14:39] <Eddie> lol.
#776 [14:39] <Selbram> woot!
#777 [14:39] <NinjaKirby> Super Mario Brothers probably devalued my final HND grade as well, heh.
#778 [14:39] <oldtopman> Aht, was I late with the kickhammer?
#779 [14:39] <DopeGhoti> MineCrafter might well be a perfectly good student with time on his hands, but that doesn't change the fact that he's attempting to use the computers for unauthorized purposes.
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#781 [14:40] <DopeGhoti> We were channelling Romney, wanting MineCrafter to self-deport.
#782 [14:40] <oldtopman> meh, I have less patience than you :P
#783 [14:40] <Scott> self-deporting is good!
#784 [14:40] <Selbram> I would have kicked him a long time ago if I were allowed :)
#785 [14:41] * Scott deports DopeGhoti to Australia.
#785 [14:41] <Scott> Haha, you're a criminal now.
#786 [14:41] <oldtopman> Does anybody else remember when he asked this a few months ago?
#787 [14:41] <Boreeas> People who play in school should be good enough with computers to not ask others to help them break the rules
#788 [14:41] <DopeGhoti> ↑
#789 [14:41] <Selbram> lol
#790 [14:41] <Morrolan> You guys are a tad fierce. ;)
#791 [14:41] <Boreeas> I do not have a problem with playing in school though
#792 [14:41] <Scott> I was punished in public school for knowing the admin password to one of their programs.
#793 [14:42] <Morrolan> Haha.
#794 [14:42] <Scott> It was admin
#795 [14:42] <Boreeas> Mostly because I tend to have 3-4 hours offtime each day in school, and nothing else to do
#796 [14:42] <Morrolan> "1234"?
#797 [14:42] <Morrolan> Ocuh.
#798 [14:42] <Selbram> I am all about helping peeps play the game, but I can't if they are not interested in getting the right people involved.
#799 [14:42] <Scott> I would have never got caught if I hadn't forgot to set a field.
#800 [14:42] <DopeGhoti> Scott: at least in my school, the admin password was "Adm1n!".
#801 [14:43] <Selbram> OMG, I got the VoxelHead blessing!
#802 [14:43] <Morrolan> Selbram - It's a curse.
#803 [14:43] <Selbram> lol
#804 [14:43] <Scott> They banned me from all computers for the rest of the year.
#805 [14:43] <Morrolan> Just wait 'till the blisters show up.
#806 [14:44] <Selbram> I'm taking my vitamins!
#807 [14:44] <Scott> They told me I'd go to jail for hacking.
#808 [14:44] <Morrolan> Meanies. :(
#809 [14:44] <Kealper> i was almost kicked out of web publishing class in highschool for posting a proxy IP (that had already been blocked by IT, mind you) on my personal website
#810 [14:44] <Selbram> to jail lol
#811 [14:44] <DopeGhoti> Scott: don't get me started of Stupid School Computer Hacker Accusation Tricks.
#812 [14:45] <Scott> Kinda funny that a 10 year old is able to compromise your systems unnoticed for nearly 3 months.
#813 [14:45] <DopeGhoti> s/of/on/
#814 [14:45] <Scott> I didn't really harm anything.
#815 [14:45] <Scott> I just gave myself and a few others extra points.
#816 [14:45] * Morrolan blinks
#816 [14:45] <DopeGhoti> Scott: Ferris would be proud.
#817 [14:46] <Selbram> I just played games that were "disabled"
#818 [14:46] <DopeGhoti> As would $PROTAGONIST_FROM_WARGAMES
#819 [14:46] <Scott> lol
#820 [14:46] <Kealper> some idiot did that in my school on graduation year... he changed his Es to As and got noticed
#821 [14:46] <Scott> I wonder if their IT person remembers me.
#822 [14:46] <Scott> I think she still works there.
#823 [14:46] <Selbram> lol
#824 [14:46] <DopeGhoti> Kealper: 'E' was an actual grade?
#825 [14:47] <Kealper> at my highschool E was the lowest you could go, and meant failing
#826 [14:47] <Scott> I don't know how I didn't get expelled.
#827 [14:47] <Morrolan> Scott - I guess you looked at her with big eyes.
#828 [14:47] <Scott> I switched to private school not shortly after I tricked a teacher into giving me their credentials.
#829 [14:48] <Kealper> yeah, that's what happened to this idiot i'm talking about... got himself kicked out of school for that stunt and ended up not graduating and everything
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#831 [14:48] <Selbram> Scott -Social Engineer of the year
#832 [14:48] <DopeGhoti> If you're going to artifically boost your grades, the think to do is not change Fs (or Es) to As, but to boost _everyone_'s scores to the point where you are passing
#833 [14:49] <DopeGhoti> but of you're getting failing grades, you're probably not smart enough to realize this.
#834 [14:49] <Scott> They never knew that I had his credentials either.
#835 [14:49] <Scott> Even though he was logged into a building that he didn't even have access to
#836 [14:49] <Kealper> or at least just make them Ds so they still passed but didn't draw attention ._.
#837 [14:50] <DopeGhoti> Kealper: if only one person's grades are changed, then the culprit is obvious
#838 [14:50] <DopeGhoti> if all grades are put on a subtle curve, though...
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#840 [14:50] <Scott> I never needed to change my grades.
#841 [14:50] <Kealper> well yeah, but if all grades jumped a letter then it might draw more attention lol
#842 [14:51] <Scott> I had all A's except for PE.
#843 [14:51] * DopeGhoti points at the 'subtle' in 'subtle curve'
#843 [14:51] <Scott> Which I got out of.
#844 [14:51] <Scott> Eventually I just got an "E" in that class by getting exempt from every grade
#845 [14:51] <Kealper> i didn't do too terrible in PE, i ended up with like an A-
#846 [14:52] <Scott> I had a doctor's note that I made copies of.
#847 [14:52] <Scott> I just gave one every day.
#848 [14:52] <Kealper> rofl
#849 [14:52] <Scott> That's what my dr told me to do.
#850 [14:53] <DopeGhoti> school administrators are so dumb it's scary
#851 [14:53] <Scott> I suffered from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osgood%E2%80%93Schlatter_disease
#852 [14:53] <Scott> It resolves itself but it hurt D:
#853 [14:53] <DopeGhoti> Scott: all's well that ends well?
#854 [14:54] <Scott> I had to go to a rehab place 3x a week and they would put this gel on my knee and then use something that sent pulses in my knee.
#855 [14:55] <Scott> It felt so weird.
#856 [14:56] <DopeGhoti> I've had that done to my back
#857 [14:56] <DopeGhoti> electroshock therapy has come a long way (:
#858 [14:56] <Scott> I was pretty much numb after.
#859 [14:56] <DopeGhoti> I'm actually looking at getting the home version of one of those.
#860 [14:57] <DopeGhoti> (yay chronic back issues ): )
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#866 [15:05] <FireDreft> Hello
#867 [15:05] <FireDreft> Do you speak French ?
#868 [15:05] <FireDreft> Someone please ?
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#870 [15:07] <FireDreft> Hello
#871 [15:07] <NinjaKirby> Pretty sure I've seen a French speaking helper here before, can't remember who...
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#873 [15:07] <FireDreft> Me I'm French , and I need help ...
#874 [15:07] <FireDreft> For create a Minecraft Account ..
#875 [15:08] <NinjaKirby> Hmmm, Mojang website isn't done in other languages...?
#876 [15:08] <DopeGhoti> Je n'parles-pas francais.
#877 [15:09] <FireDreft> No ..
#878 [15:09] <FireDreft> Someone know where to go to pick her nickname minecraft if you want to buy an account from the site mojang.com?
#879 [15:10] <FireDreft> Please
#880 [15:10] <Kealper> NinjaKirby: for some reason Calinou is my guess on the French speaker, but he isn't here right now it seems
#881 [15:10] <DopeGhoti> Je peux, cependant, compter sur des programmes de traduction automatisée pour m'aider à vous aider. Comment est-ce que je peux être utile ?
#882 [15:10] <NinjaKirby> Ghoti's owning it up, and okie Kealper :)
#883 [15:11] <FireDreft> J'ai besoin de savoir ou aller pour choisir son pseudo Minecraft sur le site mojang.com .
#884 [15:11] <NinjaKirby> I wish school forced a second language onto me moreso, started way too late.
#885 [15:11] <NinjaKirby> Ah, brb, Dinner time~
#886 [15:12] <FireDreft> No problem ! Personne ne peux m'aider ? Je ne comprend pas trop ton message DopeGhoti ...
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#889 [15:13] <FireDreft> Someone know where to go to pick her nickname minecraft if you want to buy an account from the site mojang.com please ?
#890 [15:13] <MarkAOlson> I just updated and have not mods in my minecraft but my computer lags alot when im in the forest why is that?
#891 [15:13] <MarkAOlson> *no mods
#892 [15:14] <MarkAOlson> computer meaning MC client
#893 [15:14] <stickypixel> MarkA0lson: Make sure your java is updated, but you may not have a lot of ram.
#894 [15:14] <FireDreft> want to make an account but apart from the name, email, I see nowhere to put my nickname ...
#895 [15:14] <FireDreft> Help me please ....
#896 [15:14] <FLHerne> Areb't forests normally quite GPU-heavy, especially on Fancy graphics? Lots of partly-transparent blocks...
#897 [15:15] <FireDreft> J'ai besoin de savoir ou aller pour choisir son pseudo Minecraft sur le site mojang.com s'il vous plait ... Personne ne parle français ici ?
#898 [15:15] <FLHerne> FireDreft: Account name is also in-game nick, I think
#899 [15:15] <stickypixel> MarkA0lson: Try using the java code to make Minecraft use more ram.
#900 [15:15] <stickypixel> ?? win/client/moreram
#901 [15:15] <VoxelHead> win/client/moreram: If you need to launch minecraft with more ram than the defaults, download this script to the location of minecraft.exe and run it. Java must be in your path for this to work.
#902 [15:15] <VoxelHead> win/client/moreram: Windows Launch Script: http://mcfaq.hfbgaming.com/tools/MoreRAMMCLauncher.bat
#903 [15:16] <stickypixel> FireDreft: What problem are you having?
#904 [15:17] <FireDreft> In options there is the name, email and age, but nowhere I can choose my nickname Minecraft ...
#905 [15:17] <MarkAOlson> just ran it how long do i wait for it to work?
#906 [15:17] <stickypixel> Firedreft: When you create it, you choose your nickname. You cannot change your nickname without creating a new account. This may be different in the future.
#907 [15:18] <stickypixel> MarkA0lson: Give it a minute or so.
#908 [15:18] <MarkAOlson> ok :)
#909 [15:18] <stickypixel> MarkA0lson: Let me know what happens when it does open.
#910 [15:18] <FireDreft> But I have not yet purchased the game, and when I want to create an account on the site of Minecraft, I returned to the site Mojang.com ..
#911 [15:19] <stickypixel> FireDreft: Even though you have not purchased Minecraft, your nickname is still set.
#912 [15:19] <stickypixel> FireDreft: Think on the plus side, at least you don't have to pay more money to make a new account. You haven't bought minecraft so you aren't wasting money like some users.
#913 [15:20] <FireDreft> But I have not yet done so to account ...
#914 [15:20] <Morrolan> stickypixel - That is *not* true, with the new system you choose your nickname during the payment process.
#915 [15:20] <DiskDaemon> FireDreft: You get to assign your nickname only after purchasing Minecraft. Minecraft accounts are created on mojang.com now - not minecraft.net
#916 [15:20] <stickypixel> Morrolan: I'm not up to speed with the new nickname process. I purchased MC back in beta 1.3. Forgive me.
#917 [15:20] <Morrolan> You are forgiven. ;)
#918 [15:21] <FireDreft> Are you sure ?
#919 [15:21] <stickypixel> Thank you.
#920 [15:21] <Morrolan> Yes, FireDreft.
#921 [15:21] <DopeGhoti> FireDreft: I think that now, when you purchase the game, you are asked for the MC account name
#922 [15:21] <DopeGhoti> aince the login is now the email address
#923 [15:21] <stickypixel> MarkA0lson: Anything new?
#924 [15:21] <DiskDaemon> FireDreft: Yes, I'm sure. We've been helping others here with the same question or some time now
#925 [15:22] <Morrolan> Thanks god you understood, FireDreft, I was about to scratch together what's left of my French. ^^
#926 [15:22] <FireDreft> Ok , thank you very much!
#927 [15:22] <stickypixel> Morrolan: Then some of Google Translator :p
#928 [15:23] <FireDreft> Yes , me to !! ^^
#929 [15:23] <FireDreft> *too
#930 [15:23] <Morrolan> stickypixel - Eh, I'd have been slower than Google translator, but I might have produced a more proper sentence. (I hope, anyway :P)
#931 [15:23] <stickypixel> Morrolan: You have a point.
#932 [15:23] <Morrolan> Then again, if one is to believe my French marks, I might not have managed to do so.
#933 [15:23] <FireDreft> thank you very much !!!
#934 [15:24] <FireDreft> Good night , and sorry for all !
#935 [15:24] <stickypixel> FireDreft: We all are volunteers, we are happy to help. :)
#936 [15:25] <FireDreft> Thanks , you are very nice !
#937 [15:25] <Morrolan> :)
#938 [15:25] <stickypixel> FireDreft: +1
#939 [15:25] <FireDreft> I love you ! ^^
#940 [15:25] <stickypixel> ._.
#941 [15:25] <FireDreft> Good night !
#942 [15:25] <DiskDaemon> you're welcome - the people here who volunteer love the game, and want to help others to enjoy it too
#943 [15:25] <stickypixel> I'm scared now.
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#945 [15:26] <stickypixel> I think some other guy just said he loved me.
#946 [15:26] <stickypixel> o.o
#947 [15:26] <stickypixel> MarkA0lson: You still there?
#948 [15:27] <NinjaKirby> stickypixel: I'm jelly :(
#949 [15:27] <stickypixel> NinjaKirby: He's all yours.
#950 [15:27] <NinjaKirby> You don't understand, I wanted you T_T Don't hold out to tell people how you feel folks, someone else might beat you to it.
#951 [15:28] <NinjaKirby> inb4 Everyone starts pledging their love for stickypixel
#952 [15:28] <stickypixel> ._.
#953 [15:28] * tips48|away is now known as tips48
#954 [15:28] <NinjaKirby> I regret not dancing with the girl I liked at secondary school Prom
#955 [15:28] <stickypixel> xD
#956 [15:28] <Morrolan> DiskDaemon - When did you practice that sentence? :D
#957 [15:29] <NinjaKirby> Ridiculous, no one else really liked her either, and we got on so well :/
#958 [15:29] <DiskDaemon> Morrolan: It's been a work in progress over the past couple of months, which I roll out every now and then :)
#959 [15:29] <Morrolan> DiskDaemon - Impressive, impressive. :)
#960 [15:29] <stickypixel> I'm glad to have a girlfriend.
#961 [15:29] * NinjaKirby heads to #FindLove for the support group
#961 [15:29] <Morrolan> NinjaKirby - Ah, you're not the only one whom that happened to, I guess.
#962 [15:30] <NinjaKirby> Hehe, ya, true story that :/
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#964 [15:30] <stickypixel> I wish the IRC faq explained what the ?? commands do.
#965 [15:30] <stickypixel> I would love to test them, but not to spam the chat.
#966 [15:30] <DiskDaemon> ?? help
#967 [15:30] <Morrolan> IRC FAQ?
#968 [15:30] <VoxelHead> help: To use this service, there are several commands. ?? will answer a FAQ in-channel. ??< will privately send you the answer to a FAQ. ??> will answer a FAQ in channel with attention to the person you specify. ??>> will do the same, only privately
#969 [15:30] <VoxelHead> help: For a list of FAQs I can answer (or more accurately, a link to one), check the keyword 'index' with '??< index'
#970 [15:31] <stickypixel> ??< index
#971 [15:31] <Morrolan> And yep, that factoid pretty much explains it. For anythign else, feel free to ask.
#972 [15:31] <Morrolan> anything*
#973 [15:31] <DiskDaemon> stickypixel: You can go to the ##voxelhead channel to experiment with the bot
#974 [15:31] <stickypixel> DiskDaemon: Thank you for letting me know.
#975 [15:31] <stickypixel> I'll be sure to try it.
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#978 [15:35] <stickypixel> All is quiet in #MinecraftHelp.
#979 [15:37] <DiskDaemon> which is the way that we like it, for it mean that people are enjoying playing Miencraft instead :)
#980 [15:37] <DopeGhoti> flood counter has been reset (:
#981 [15:37] <Selbram> lol
#982 [15:38] <MarkAOlson> Why is my settings faster at fast than at fancy?
#983 [15:38] <Selbram> ...
#984 [15:38] <DiskDaemon> Because fancy results in fancier graphical effects, which tend to be slower to generate
#985 [15:39] <Selbram> Care to take a guess?
#986 [15:39] <MarkAOlson> ok thank you :) my MC is back to normal running speed
#987 [15:39] <Selbram> The setting is even called "fast".
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#989 [15:39] <DiskDaemon> Details are at http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Options#Video_Settings
#990 [15:40] <MarkAOlson> thanks :)
#991 [15:41] <stickypixel|afk> /nick stickypixel
#992 [15:42] <stickypixel> Am I the only one who thinks this?
#993 [15:42] <stickypixel> On children's tv, if you call someone a boob, its funny. But when talking about a woman's boobs, "Its just wrong!"
#994 [15:43] <stickypixel> tv logic
#995 [15:43] <DopeGhoti> Assuming TV to be logical might be your first mistake.
#996 [15:43] <stickypixel> I should've expected that.
#997 [15:43] <MarkAOlson> what effect do partical have on performance?
#998 [15:43] <DopeGhoti> Assuming US laws and regulations about TV might be your second. (:
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#1000 [15:43] <DopeGhoti> MarkAOlson: significant.
#1001 [15:44] <MarkAOlson> thanks :)
#1002 [15:45] <DiskDaemon> It's because the insult of boob, is a back-formation from the word booby, which is a stupid person, a dunce
#1003 [15:46] <stickypixel> DiskDaemon - But if someone didn't know that (i.e. a child), then it could be looked at from a different perspective.
#1004 [15:46] <stickypixel> DiskDaemon - But if someone didn't know that (i.e. a child), then it could be looked at from a different perspective.
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#1006 [15:46] <DiskDaemon> stickypixel: That then is where education can occur
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#1008 [15:47] <stickypixel> stickypixel - Sex Ed. isn't a requirement in my area.
#1009 [15:47] <stickypixel> I just realized I directed myself.
#1010 [15:47] <stickypixel> Oh well.
#1011 [15:47] <DiskDaemon> And why is booby an insult? It comes from the bird of the same name, and is where the booby-prize term originates from too
#1012 [15:47] <DopeGhoti> Yet another reason that calling people names and obfuscating anatomical references are Bad Things.
#1013 [15:48] <Scott> Boobies are bad, mmmkay?
#1014 [15:48] <NinjaKirby> Reminds me of when Jackie Chan said "Crap" on English Children's tevelision. Couldn't believe it.
#1015 [15:48] <NinjaKirby> Uh... wow, Television, something looked strange, I just couldn't ascertain what, ha.
#1016 [15:48] <stickypixel> NinjaKirby - I guess those ratings, went down the crapper. xD
#1017 [15:48] <NinjaKirby> HAHA! XD Oh my word.
#1018 [15:49] <stickypixel> Health Ed. is a requirement in Michigan.
#1019 [15:50] <stickypixel> But yet its only a semester, and I know for sure I don't think we're covering sex.
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#1021 [15:50] <DopeGhoti> "Health Ed" or "Health Class" is usually just one of those euphemisms to which I earlier referred.
#1022 [15:51] <stickypixel> I understand.
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#1024 [15:51] <DopeGhoti> don't worry, you can rest assured that you'll have a public servant telling you that anal intercourse can't get you pregnant.
#1025 [15:52] <DopeGhoti> oh, wait, you're in Michigan?
#1026 [15:52] <stickypixel> Yes.
#1027 [15:52] <Morrolan> Unless it's rape, then you won't.
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#1029 [15:52] <oldtopman> >.>
#1030 [15:52] <DopeGhoti> never mind, you can instead rest assured that you'll be read state-mandated anti-choice propoganda.
#1031 [15:52] <stickypixel> DopeGhoti - I'm already suffering.
#1032 [15:53] <DopeGhoti> Of course you are; you're in Michigan.
#1033 [15:53] <DopeGhoti> My condolences.
#1034 [15:53] * BranicYeti is now known as Yeti|InHiding
#1035 [15:53] <stickypixel> DopeGhoti - In my Computer Applications class, the Onion is an actual news source.
#1036 [15:53] <DopeGhoti> sounds about right.
#1037 [15:53] <stickypixel> I've lost hope.
#1038 [15:54] <stickypixel> I explained to the teacher as to how it was fake.
#1039 [15:54] <stickypixel> I know secretly she didn't agree.
#1040 [15:54] * Contex is now known as Contex|Away
#1041 [15:54] <stickypixel> This is why I want to move to another country.
#1042 [15:56] <stickypixel> + computer apps class is boring anyways.
#1043 [15:56] <stickypixel> Its explaining things that have no logical sense, and I already know half of it.
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#1048 [16:01] <trencheel303> quick question - do vines spread sideways at all?
#1049 [16:02] <trencheel303> the wiki isn't entirely clear on whether they do spread sideways, only downwards
#1050 [16:02] <DiskDaemon> Yes they do
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#1052 [16:02] <trencheel303> bollocks
#1053 [16:02] <trencheel303> that ruins that plan then
#1054 [16:04] <DiskDaemon> THey only spread sideways though when there is a surface for them to spread to though
#1055 [16:04] <trencheel303> oh, ok
#1056 [16:05] <trencheel303> so if i placed a load of vines on trees, in like a greenhouse thing, i wouldn't come back in a few days to find the entire greenhouse covered in vines?
#1057 [16:05] <trencheel303> thats what i'm worried about
#1058 [16:05] <DiskDaemon> that shouldn't be a problem if you keep the trees away from the the sides of the greenhouse
#1059 [16:06] <trencheel303> I'll give it a try
#1060 [16:06] <trencheel303> thanks
#1061 [16:06] <DiskDaemon> I don't think that vines can spread to glass, or non-solid blocks such as stairs or slabs either
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#1067 [16:16] <stickypixel> WB, Rogue!
#1068 [16:17] <_Rogue_> o/
#1069 [16:23] <stickypixel> Is the stone monster egg basically silverfish block?
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#1073 [16:26] <rickjamesftw> hello i ahve a question
#1074 [16:26] <Kyle> hi im looking for some help
#1075 [16:26] <Kyle> .
#1076 [16:27] <Kyle> lol is it just us?
#1077 [16:27] <rickjamesftw> idk
#1078 [16:28] <rickjamesftw> how come when i play classic minecraft when i make blocks or break blocks the menu pops up
#1079 [16:28] <rickjamesftw> like ever 2 seconds its so annoying
#1080 [16:28] <NinjaKirby> As if pressing the Esc keyboard button? Or in-game inventory?
#1081 [16:28] <rickjamesftw> esc button
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#1083 [16:28] <rickjamesftw> you know what im talking about
#1084 [16:29] <NinjaKirby> Aye, and you have Exit, Configuration etc. appear
#1085 [16:29] <NinjaKirby> Playing Minecraft on Windows OS?
#1086 [16:29] <Carter> Hey I want make a suggestion for Minecraft PE
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#1088 [16:29] <Kyle> meh i had minecraft ages ago but it had a problem 'cant connect to minecraft.net' i havent played for like a year. Now my friend gave me a redeem code, i made a new account etc. But it still happens. ive been pissed off. £20 wasted
#1089 [16:29] <Kyle> any idea?
#1090 [16:29] <NinjaKirby> Carter: Probably have to find a contact email address, or Email Form on the Mojang website.
#1091 [16:29] <rickjamesftw> im playing on windows 7
#1092 [16:30] <Carter> I tried but I couldn't find any
#1093 [16:30] <Carter> email adresses weren't listed anywhere
#1094 [16:30] <NinjaKirby> rickjamesftw: I see, my only idea off-hand is to remap the Keyboard keys, or at least check there is no crossover somehow.
#1095 [16:30] <rickjamesftw> ok
#1096 [16:30] <rickjamesftw> how do i do this
#1097 [16:31] <NinjaKirby> Carter: There is no real Mojang employee's present in here, so we can only listen and then... just critique, lol
#1098 [16:31] <Carter> oh
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#1100 [16:31] <NinjaKirby> rickjamesftw: Configuration (from the menu that conveniently is popping up all the time, heh!), and go Keyboard Controls
#1101 [16:31] <Carter> do you know where to find the email adresses
#1102 [16:31] <Carter> for mojang
#1103 [16:31] <NinjaKirby> I don't see how, but maybe it's worth remapping the Esc again.
#1104 [16:31] <Kyle> anything on mine?
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#1106 [16:32] <NinjaKirby> Carter: Erm... dunno O_o I think they only use a Mail Form, but I may well be mistaken.
#1107 [16:32] <Carter> ok
#1108 [16:32] <rickjamesftw> all the controls are fine
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#1112 [16:34] <NinjaKirby> rickjamesftw: Does it only occur when clicking mouse buttons? Tbh, I've not seen this problem mentioned in here before... so I don't know a fix at hand XD
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#1115 [16:34] <NinjaKirby> Kyle: That looks like an error that'll need quite a bit of troubleshooting, maybe one of the regular helpers know a good way to attack it.
#1116 [16:34] <rickjamesftw> if i hold the mouse button it doesnt happen but if i click it happens
#1117 [16:36] <DopeGhoti> rickjamesftw: we don't support Classic, sorry.
#1118 [16:36] <Kyle> meh dont worry ive tried every youtube video,every forum and on mojangs web.i knew my minecraft wouldnt work i just hoped there were actual mojang members here. but props for helping everyone. this irratates me so much
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#1120 [16:36] <NinjaKirby> DopeGhoti: How could you tell that? O_o Did he mention it and I missed it? Heh
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#1122 [16:37] <NinjaKirby> Kyle: Can you play Minecraft via the browser version?
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#1124 [16:37] <DopeGhoti> Kyle: to be fair, it's irking to see people jump from 'technical trouble' to 'eff it, $30 wasted' in the same breath That said, have you tried this:
#1125 [16:37] <DopeGhoti> ??> Kyle win/profile
#1126 [16:37] <VoxelHead> Kyle: (win/profile) It may be helpful to isolate whether this is a problem with your user account, or with your system as a whole.
#1127 [16:37] <VoxelHead> Kyle: (win/profile) Please create a new user profile (a computer user, not a new Minecraft account), log in as that user, and try Minecraft from there. If it works, there's something on your profile that's breaking Java or Minecraft. If not, there's something amiss with your system as a whole.
#1128 [16:38] <DopeGhoti> NinjaKirby: "14:25 < rickjamesftw> | how come when i play classic minecraft "
#1129 [16:38] <DopeGhoti> that's how (:
#1130 [16:38] <NinjaKirby> Oh, he did mention that, lawdie :P
#1131 [16:38] <rickjamesftw> but still i knwo you dont support classic but the menu shoudlnt pop up when i click a block
#1132 [16:39] <Kyle> erm ok thanks. didn mean to be all huffy puffy
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#1134 [16:39] <rickjamesftw> like to me it seems like a scheme to buy the game
#1135 [16:40] <NinjaKirby> rickjamesftw: There's a thread on the Forums sporting two possible solutions, many people have suffered this issue.
#1136 [16:40] <trencheel303> that happens to me on classic MC as well, but only on my home computer
#1137 [16:40] <trencheel303> on my work computer, which has better video performance, it never happens
#1138 [16:40] <rickjamesftw> can you send me the url
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#1140 [16:40] <NinjaKirby> http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1110856-minecraft-classic-game-menu-problem/
#1141 [16:41] <NinjaKirby> I would say downgrading the Java is more likely to work then switching to standalone executable from browser version, but the latter is simpler to try for the sake of testing.
#1142 [16:42] <NinjaKirby> In the case of Classic Minecraft though, I haven't a clue how browser/exe based versions are even... like... managed, I guess only via unofficial channels? Or something.
#1143 [16:42] <trencheel303> how do you play classic in an EXE launcher?
#1144 [16:43] <trencheel303> as far as I know you have to use the browser for classic.
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#1146 [16:45] <NinjaKirby> Ah well... uh... then I guess skim reading that thread didn't help, lol
#1147 [16:46] <NinjaKirby> Mind you, that was from Sept 2012, I guess it was the same problem emerging with modern day MC.
#1148 [16:46] <rickjamesftw> i was going to but the game but now im secodn guessing
#1149 [16:46] <NinjaKirby> Although that later version shouldn't really have v1.7 Java problems, wat.
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#1151 [16:48] <NinjaKirby> wat whar eh go
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#1153 [16:52] <Kyle> thanks so much guys
#1154 [16:53] <NinjaKirby> Ah, got it going? >_<
#1155 [16:53] <Kyle> why i didnt think of that months ago or was told. -_-
#1156 [16:54] <NinjaKirby> Oh right, new profile fixed it? Intredasting, but good news :)
#1157 [16:54] <NinjaKirby> Ghoti pwning it up again
#1158 [16:55] <Kyle> ya well £20 well spent xD
#1159 [16:55] <NinjaKirby> Hurray!
#1160 [16:55] <Kyle> but il give my new account to a freind :D
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#1162 [16:56] <devoeryan1> Can someone tell me about the superflat biomes and what the code thingy is for them in customization?
#1163 [16:56] <devoeryan1> Can someone tell me about the superflat biomes and what the code thingy is for them in customization?
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#1167 [16:59] <DopeGhoti> :D
#1168 [16:59] <DopeGhoti> "devo: Not in 90 seconds, no." :p
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#1173 [17:07] <imrnerdatard> cannot dl after i just purchad\sed it
#1174 [17:07] <imrnerdatard> purchased
#1175 [17:08] <imrnerdatard> well i can dl it, just cannot run it now.
#1176 [17:08] <DopeGhoti> what happens when you try?
#1177 [17:08] <DopeGhoti> ??> imrnerdatard specs
#1178 [17:08] <VoxelHead> imrnerdatard: (specs) Please tell us, to the best of your knowledge and ability, the following: Your computer's make and model, which operating system you are using (including whether it is 32- or 64-bit), how much RAM your computer has, which GPU your computer has, and which version of Java you have installed.
#1179 [17:08] <imrnerdatard> publisher could not be verified?
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#1181 [17:09] <imrnerdatard> hp pavillion windows 7
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#1183 [17:10] <DopeGhoti> okay. When you get that message, one of the options should be 'Run'.
#1184 [17:10] <imrnerdatard> java should be up to date.. not positive... the rest, no idea.
#1185 [17:10] <imrnerdatard> playted free on media fire..
#1186 [17:10] <DopeGhoti> wait, what?
#1187 [17:11] <DiskDaemon> mediafire has no legal free version of minecraft
#1188 [17:11] <imrnerdatard> was able to play for free on medea fire.com until the terms of service were violated?
#1189 [17:11] <imrnerdatard> it did
#1190 [17:11] <DiskDaemon> imrnerdatard: You need to go to minecraft.net/demo to play the free version
#1191 [17:12] <imrnerdatard> the point is, i paid 26 dollars a half hour ago. i want the real and leagal version
#1192 [17:12] <DiskDaemon> imrnerdatard: The real legal version is downloaded from minecraft.net/download
#1193 [17:13] <imrnerdatard> exactly. just did that. i am having trouble running it now after i dl it.
#1194 [17:13] <DiskDaemon> What is the trouble?
#1195 [17:14] <imrnerdatard> i click run and i get the error message "the publisher can not be verified"
#1196 [17:14] <DiskDaemon> imrnerdatard: You have still failed to visit this web page, and apply the answers from there http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/ie/forum/ie8-windows_other/the-publisher-could-not-be-verified-warning-when/a0f438fe-26ed-4b49-a172-c0028a003179
#1197 [17:14] <imrnerdatard> try this now..
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#1200 [17:18] <NinjaKirby> lol...
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#1205 [17:20] <mib_6ksn65> hi
#1206 [17:20] <NinjaKirby> Oh dear, not only did my VM BSOD, but it's froze on Windows load, ha!
#1207 [17:20] <NinjaKirby> Welcome mib user
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#1210 [17:20] <mib_6ksn65> I need help
#1211 [17:20] <DopeGhoti> seek a professional.
#1212 [17:21] <mib_6ksn65> On minecraft it wont let me delete or add
#1213 [17:21] <stickypixel> ?? ask
#1214 [17:21] <VoxelHead> ask: Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help with, and be as specific as possible.
#1215 [17:21] <VoxelHead> ask: If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#1216 [17:21] <DopeGhoti> it won't let you delete or add what?
#1217 [17:21] <DopeGhoti> is this in single-player or online?
#1218 [17:21] <mib_6ksn65> single
#1219 [17:21] <DopeGhoti> ?? dontclick
#1220 [17:21] <VoxelHead> dontclick: You will have better luck holding down the mouse button. Clicking is for instant interactions like placing blocks and flipping switches. To mine, chop wood, or dig; hold down the mouse button.
#1221 [17:22] <mib_6ksn65> Thank you
#1222 [17:22] <mib_6ksn65> Okay I just Tried it it still wont work.
#1223 [17:23] <DopeGhoti> what exactly are you trying to do, and how are you trying to do it?
#1224 [17:23] <stickypixel> ?? ask/howto
#1225 [17:23] <VoxelHead> ask/howto: Please read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before
#1226 [17:23] <VoxelHead> ask/howto: Yes, it's long. That's because it's packed chock-full of information, explained clearly.
#1227 [17:23] <mib_6ksn65> Well, I am trying to add a block
#1228 [17:24] <stickypixel> ?? mouse/synergy
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#1230 [17:24] <stickypixel> ?? mouse/synergy
#1231 [17:24] <VoxelHead> mouse/synergy: Mouse issues have been reported between Minecraft and Synergy. If your mouse movement is borked, going to extremes, up and down, uninstall Synergy.
#1232 [17:24] <Murrlin> ooo cool bots
#1233 [17:24] <GreyVulpine> Please don't use #minecrafthelp to test out Vox's FAQ entries.
#1234 [17:24] <Murrlin> or bot commands I mean
#1235 [17:25] <GreyVulpine> Use ##voxelhead
#1236 [17:25] <stickypixel> GreyVulpine: I wasn't
#1237 [17:25] <stickypixel> GreyVulpine: "testing" that is.
#1238 [17:25] * GreyVulpine nods
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#1240 [17:28] <mib_6ksn65> How can I Install Synergy again?
#1241 [17:28] <stickypixel> You don't.
#1242 [17:28] <mib_6ksn65> .
#1243 [17:28] <stickypixel> It was in-case you did have synergy.
#1244 [17:28] <stickypixel> Reread it.
#1245 [17:29] <DiskDaemon> There are other potential solutions to synergy, such as mouse without borders, or input director
#1246 [17:30] <stickypixel> DiskDaemon - mib_6ksn65 is having troubles place/deleting blocks in single-player.
#1247 [17:31] <DiskDaemon> Sounds like he's in adventure mode
#1248 [17:32] <stickypixel> mib_6ksn65 - ^^
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#1252 [17:35] <NinjaKirby> Maybe he's just in the Spawn area of an SMP :3
#1253 [17:35] <stickypixel> He noted that he was in single-player.
#1254 [17:35] <NinjaKirby> Maybe I'm completely mistaken :3
#1255 [17:35] <stickypixel> :b
#1256 [17:36] <DiskDaemon> mib_6ksn65: Do you have the same trouble on a new world that you create?
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#1258 [17:38] <stickypixel> This tea tastes so good.
#1259 [17:40] <stickypixel> i <3 tea.
#1260 [17:41] <stickypixel> How's everybody doing?
#1261 [17:41] <NinjaKirby> Ah god damnit, you called it stickypixel, brb for a cuppa
#1262 [17:41] <stickypixel> NinjaKirby - I'm in the U.S., drinking tea from a can.
#1263 [17:41] <stickypixel> :p
#1264 [17:41] <NinjaKirby> O_O It's consumed in a cold state?
#1265 [17:41] <stickypixel> Yes.
#1266 [17:42] <stickypixel> It isn't that bad either.
#1267 [17:42] <stickypixel> Yet, I haven't had warm tea.
#1268 [17:42] <stickypixel> I usually just go to my high school's store, and buy myself one in the morning.
#1269 [17:42] <Scott> Cold tea isn't bad.
#1270 [17:42] <NinjaKirby> I stayed at a typical middle class french household once, they didn't have a Kettle or Teabags either.
#1271 [17:42] <Scott> I usually drink hot tea.
#1272 [17:42] <Scott> Loose leaf tea ftw
#1273 [17:43] <stickypixel> I never had hot tea yet
#1274 [17:43] <stickypixel> 'murica.
#1275 [17:43] <Scott> I had this a few nights ago: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/9631803/yummm.jpg
#1276 [17:43] <stickypixel> But no, it keeps me awake on long days.
#1277 [17:43] <stickypixel> "HOO" wants some tea?
#1278 [17:44] <Scott> That's a cute little thing I keep on my desk. I decided he needed to be in the shot.
#1279 [17:44] <stickypixel> :3
#1280 [17:44] <Scott> I have another on the other side
#1281 [17:45] <stickypixel> In America, we have these water flake packets of tea, well the one I have has an energy booster. That first drink is the best.
#1282 [17:49] * stickypixel hums "The Twilight Zone."
#1282 [17:49] <NinjaKirby> Hells to the yea, I wield PG Tips, and some Digestives to dip
#1283 [17:49] <NinjaKirby> It feels good, because I know someone in here will be jelly XD /kidding
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#1285 [17:50] <stickypixel> You were jelly earlier.
#1286 [17:50] <NinjaKirby> And that's an amazing Owl scott
#1287 [17:50] <NinjaKirby> I was yeah, but I've refound my love for Tea instead, sorry sticky :/
#1288 [17:50] <stickypixel> </3
#1289 [17:50] <Scott> you should drink loose leaf tea
#1290 [17:50] <Scott> it is much better than tea dust in a bag
#1291 [17:50] <stickypixel> I'll have to try it sometime.
#1292 [17:51] <NinjaKirby> Aye, ditto, can't say I've have it that way
#1293 [17:51] <NinjaKirby> Last unusual Tea I had was Sakura Leaf tea.
#1294 [17:51] <stickypixel> I drink raspberry tea and go on my way.
#1295 [17:51] <NinjaKirby> Surprisingly well flavoured.
#1296 [17:51] <stickypixel> Just iced tea with raspberry flavoring.
#1297 [17:52] <stickypixel> Just curious. Do you guys have spongebob in the UK? ^_^
#1298 [17:53] * stickypixel is alone.
#1298 [17:53] * stickypixel is alone with his 8 cats.
#1298 [17:54] * stickypixel is alone with his 8 cats named after different drink names.
#1298 [17:54] <Scratchyanditchy> You do get spongebob in the UK :)
#1299 [17:55] <stickypixel> Cool!
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#1303 [17:57] <stickypixel> People must be enjoying minecraft with this amount of activity!
#1304 [17:58] <DiskDaemon> that's the plan
#1305 [17:58] <stickypixel> Yup. :)
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#1308 [18:02] <stickypixel> DopeGhoti: Just looking at your git, you know so many programming languages!
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#1311 [18:05] <digs> My minecraft is not updateing what do I do
#1312 [18:05] <stickypixel> Are you force updating or using a separate launcher?
#1313 [18:05] <digs> I tried both
#1314 [18:06] <digs> I meen i tried force and the yes i would like to update now
#1315 [18:06] <stickypixel> Do you have connection to Mojang servers?
#1316 [18:07] <digs> what is that
#1317 [18:07] <stickypixel> Basically, can you login to Minecraft?
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#1319 [18:07] <stickypixel> ......
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#1321 [18:07] <stickypixel> Basically, can you login to Minecraft?
#1322 [18:07] <digs> yes
#1323 [18:08] <stickypixel> So is it just not asking to update, or are you clicking yes and its not updating it?
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#1325 [18:08] <digs> I am clicking yes but it won't work
#1326 [18:08] <stickypixel> One minute please.
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#1329 [18:09] <digs> ok
#1330 [18:09] <digs> It also doesn't let me play without an update
#1331 [18:10] <stickypixel> Try deleting the bin folder in the .minecraft folder, then force updating your minecraft.
#1332 [18:10] <stickypixel> ?? win/.minecraft
#1333 [18:10] <VoxelHead> win/.minecraft: To get at Minecraft's locally stored files on Windows, press Win+R, and in the window that appears, type "%AppData%\.minecraft", and click OK.
#1334 [18:10] <stickypixel> To get to it ^^
#1335 [18:11] <digs> so basically delete an reload my minecraft
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#1338 [18:11] <stickypixel> Just delete the bin folder inside of your .minecraft folder.
#1339 [18:11] <stickypixel> Not the whole folder.
#1340 [18:11] <digs> ok i will try it
#1341 [18:12] <stickypixel> Let me know if it works when you're done.
#1342 [18:12] <digs> peace and thx
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#1344 [18:12] <stickypixel> Or you know, just leave and not receive future help if needed.
#1345 [18:13] <Scratchyanditchy> Lol....
#1346 [18:13] <stickypixel> I dislike people doing that.
#1347 [18:13] <Scratchyanditchy> I see what you mean
#1348 [18:14] <Scratchyanditchy> Least he said thx...
#1349 [18:14] <stickypixel> Yeah :l
#1350 [18:14] <Scratchyanditchy> Most people dont consider saying thanks
#1351 [18:14] <phil_> i am trying to be a cool mom and download the app for Windows XP. Can you help me please?
#1352 [18:14] <phil_> I am embarrassed to say that its been 2 days and I still can't get it to work
#1353 [18:14] <DiskDaemon> yes, we can help
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#1355 [18:15] <DiskDaemon> what seems to be the problem?
#1356 [18:15] <phil_> the error is bad driver
#1357 [18:15] <stickypixel> ?? win/dxdiag
#1358 [18:15] <VoxelHead> win/dxdiag: Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#1359 [18:15] <VoxelHead> win/dxdiag: Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
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#1361 [18:15] <Scratchyanditchy> Wb digs
#1362 [18:15] <stickypixel> Alternatively, if you know which driver is bad, we can give you a link to it.
#1363 [18:16] <stickypixel> digs: I'm guessing it didn't work.
#1364 [18:16] <digs> I didn't have that folder I looked
#1365 [18:16] <stickypixel> There's your problem..
#1366 [18:16] <stickypixel> Force update.
#1367 [18:16] <stickypixel> See if the magic occurs.
#1368 [18:16] <digs> I have tried
#1369 [18:17] <stickypixel> If you don't have the .minecraft or bin folder, then I don't understand how you could even be having the problem.
#1370 [18:17] <Scratchyanditchy> The magic :3
#1371 [18:17] <stickypixel> But it could be hosts/firewalls,.
#1372 [18:17] <stickypixel> Do you have AVG, digs?
#1373 [18:17] <digs> yes
#1374 [18:18] <stickypixel> You'll need to disable the link scanning module.
#1375 [18:18] <stickypixel> Which I will guide you through.
#1376 [18:18] <digs> ok
#1377 [18:18] <stickypixel> First, open AVG.
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#1379 [18:18] <will_da_man> Hello there
#1380 [18:18] <digs> ok
#1381 [18:18] <stickypixel> After the program is open, you'll need to click on the link scanning module.
#1382 [18:18] <stickypixel> will_da_man: hello
#1383 [18:19] <will_da_man> I have a question
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#1385 [18:19] <digs> where
#1386 [18:19] <will_da_man> stickypixel
#1387 [18:19] <Scratchyanditchy> Ask ahead :)
#1388 [18:19] <Tahno> Hi! I'm on a Mac, and Minecraft keeps emitting this error stating "Minecraft quit unexpectedly." I have re-downloaded, re-installed, restarted my computer, and nothing works.
#1389 [18:19] <Tahno> I've tried both client and browser, and they both give the same issue.
#1390 [18:20] <Tahno> give the same error.*
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#1392 [18:20] <stickypixel> will_da_man: Ask your question.
#1393 [18:20] <stickypixel> digs: I'm not exactly sure where it is, as I don't own AVG.
#1394 [18:20] <will_da_man> When i log into the launcher i get error: "Minecraft acount migrated. Please use e-mail as username." I NEVER migrated my account, and when i try to log in w/ email, it wont work. D:
#1395 [18:20] <stickypixel> But do you see anything about link scanning module?
#1396 [18:21] <will_da_man> um no
#1397 [18:21] <digs> yes
#1398 [18:21] <stickypixel> will_da_man - one minute
#1399 [18:21] <will_da_man> ive tried playing in browser too
#1400 [18:21] <will_da_man> ok
#1401 [18:21] <will_da_man> and that wont work either
#1402 [18:21] <digs> but parental controls block me from disableing it
#1403 [18:21] <Tahno> Hi! I'm on a Mac, and Minecraft keeps emitting this error stating "Minecraft quit unexpectedly." I have re-downloaded, re-installed, restarted my computer, and nothing works.
#1404 [18:21] <will_da_man> disableing what
#1405 [18:21] <Tahno> I've tried both client and browser, and they both give the same issue.
#1406 [18:21] <stickypixel> digs - Until parental controls are disabled, I can't help you.
#1407 [18:21] <Tahno> give the same error.*
#1408 [18:22] <stickypixel> will_da_man - I will help you when I say your name. Verify that you're using the correct email.
#1409 [18:22] <digs> ok after i disable and force update it will work right?
#1410 [18:22] <will_da_man> um ok
#1411 [18:22] <phil_> What is the IRC Channel?
#1412 [18:22] <will_da_man> my username is willthebuildman
#1413 [18:22] <stickypixel> phil_ - this chat
#1414 [18:22] <Tahno> Excuse me?
#1415 [18:22] <Tahno> Does anyone hear me?
#1416 [18:22] <will_da_man> yes i hear u tahno
#1417 [18:22] <phil_> okay
#1418 [18:22] <phil_> http://pastebin.com/vQYxyFDA
#1419 [18:23] <stickypixel> digs - you have to finish with the avg thing
#1420 [18:23] <Tahno> Can anyone help me?
#1421 [18:23] <Tahno> I've stated my problem twice.
#1422 [18:23] <will_da_man> no sorry tahno
#1423 [18:23] <will_da_man> D;
#1424 [18:23] <Scratchyanditchy> Tahno, be patient
#1425 [18:23] <stickypixel> Tahno: ?? patience
#1426 [18:23] <Tahno> Ok. Sorry
#1427 [18:23] <DiskDaemon> phil_: Thanks for that info - your computer fails to meet the minimum requirements that Minecraft needs
#1428 [18:23] <digs> ok thx i will get someone to disable it.
#1429 [18:23] <will_da_man> sticky
#1430 [18:23] <stickypixel> ?? patience
#1431 [18:23] <VoxelHead> patience: Please be patient when waiting for a response. Many of the helpers here are helping in their free time at school or work, and often get called away.
#1432 [18:23] <VoxelHead> patience: In short, your supplications will be answered, in the order in which they are received. See also ?? attitude.
#1433 [18:23] <will_da_man> ??
#1434 [18:23] <Tahno> ?? attitude
#1435 [18:23] <VoxelHead> attitude: The people in #MineCraftHelp offering assistance have no affiliation with Mojang, and are volunteering their time. Please treat them, and #MineCraftHelp, with respect.
#1436 [18:23] <VoxelHead> attitude: In short, the more of a jerk you are, the lower-priority your questions will be. We are not the Mojang complaint department.
#1437 [18:24] <stickypixel> will_da_man: Yes, see the username have nothing to do with your email and logging in.
#1438 [18:24] <will_da_man> ok.. and?
#1439 [18:24] <stickypixel> will_da_man:
#1440 [18:24] <stickypixel> ?? accounts
#1441 [18:24] <VoxelHead> accounts: Account or payment issues cannot be resolved by the helpers in this channel, you may contact Mojang directly to resolve this issue by following the instructions at: http://www.minecraft.net/support/
#1442 [18:24] <Tahno> Please pardon me, then, for acting impatient.
#1443 [18:24] <phil_> can i try to download to another computer since i already paid for the game?
#1444 [18:24] <will_da_man> whats ?? accounts
#1445 [18:24] <Scratchyanditchy> I have fallen in love with voxelhead <3
#1446 [18:24] <DiskDaemon> phil_: Yes you can indeed
#1447 [18:24] <stickypixel> Tahno: I will be happy to help you now.
#1448 [18:24] <Tahno> Ok.
#1449 [18:24] <will_da_man> mphp
#1450 [18:25] <will_da_man> hmph
#1451 [18:25] <Tahno> So I'm on a Mac, and Minecraft keeps emitting this error stating "Minecraft quit unexpectedly." I have re-downloaded, re-installed, restarted my computer, and nothing works.
#1452 [18:25] <phil_> thank you for the help. i may be back. you guys are great!
#1453 [18:25] * Scratchyanditchy is now known as scratchyanditchy
#1454 [18:25] <will_da_man> please help i cant play!!!! D:
#1455 [18:25] <will_da_man> can we advertise servers on here
#1456 [18:25] <will_da_man> ??
#1457 [18:25] <scratchyanditchy> No
#1458 [18:25] <stickypixel> will_da_man: Us volunteers cannot resolve account issues, please go to www.minecraft.net/support to solve your problem. And no.
#1459 [18:25] <Tahno> Why do you need to?
#1460 [18:26] <will_da_man> ok
#1461 [18:26] <Tahno> Oh, would you guys like a crash report?
#1462 [18:26] <will_da_man> i did but ok ill try again. *sigh*
#1463 [18:26] <stickypixel> Tahno: Please.
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#1465 [18:26] <DiskDaemon> will_da_man: Please contact customer support about your account, at http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/emails/new
#1466 [18:27] <will_da_man> i did that too
#1467 [18:27] <will_da_man> and havent heard back
#1468 [18:27] <stickypixel> will_da_man: Welcome to the waiting game.
#1469 [18:27] <Tahno> http://pastebin.com/QXdbyQ76
#1470 [18:27] <DiskDaemon> http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/359446-when-will-i-hear-back-
#1471 [18:27] <will_da_man> ..........
#1472 [18:27] <will_da_man> stickypixel thanks for your help
#1473 [18:28] <stickypixel> will_da_man: I try my best B)
#1474 [18:28] <will_da_man> it really didnt help anything though xD
#1475 [18:28] <scratchyanditchy> People nowadays dont understand the meaning of patience
#1476 [18:28] <will_da_man> pl
#1477 [18:28] <will_da_man> ok
#1478 [18:28] <will_da_man> shut up "scrathyanditchy
#1479 [18:28] <will_da_man> "
#1480 [18:28] <stickypixel> will_da_man:
#1481 [18:28] <DopeGhoti> stickypixel: I have my moments (:
#1482 [18:28] <stickypixel> ?? attitude
#1483 [18:28] <VoxelHead> attitude: The people in #MineCraftHelp offering assistance have no affiliation with Mojang, and are volunteering their time. Please treat them, and #MineCraftHelp, with respect.
#1484 [18:28] <will_da_man> yea
#1485 [18:28] <VoxelHead> attitude: In short, the more of a jerk you are, the lower-priority your questions will be. We are not the Mojang complaint department.
#1486 [18:28] <DiskDaemon> will_da_man: We are volunteers from around the world, with no special access to information from Mojang. We love the game, and do what we can to help others to enjoy it too
#1487 [18:28] <will_da_man> o ok
#1488 [18:29] <will_da_man> goodbye! :I
#1489 [18:29] <scratchyanditchy> Cya
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#1491 [18:29] <stickypixel> Tahno: Have you tried deleting the bin folder inside .minecraft?
#1492 [18:29] <DiskDaemon> ?? win/reinst
#1493 [18:29] <stickypixel> DopeGhoti: Don't we all?
#1494 [18:29] <VoxelHead> win/reinst: You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#1495 [18:29] <VoxelHead> win/reinst: To do so, press your Windows+R keys, type in %AppData% at the dialog, and press Enter. In the window that appears, open the .minecraft directory, and delete everything except for the saves directory that you see therein. Then, try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
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#1497 [18:29] <stickypixel> DiskDaemon - He's on a mac.
#1498 [18:29] <DopeGhoti> stickypixel: some more so than others.
#1499 [18:29] <DiskDaemon> ?? mac/reinst
#1500 [18:29] <VoxelHead> mac/reinst: You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#1501 [18:29] <Tahno> I HAVE, STICKY.
#1502 [18:29] <VoxelHead> mac/reinst: To do so, in the Finder, from the Go menu, select Home. Then open Library, Application Support, and then minecraft. Drag the bin and resources folders to the trash, then try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
#1503 [18:29] <Tahno> Sorry caps
#1504 [18:29] <DopeGhoti> stickypixel: its' kind of surprising how many I know, when I think about it (:
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#1506 [18:30] <stickypixel> DopeGhoti: I'm attempting to learn Java or C++
#1507 [18:30] <digs> It worked! Thank you so much stickypixel and give yourself a pat on the back!
#1508 [18:30] <stickypixel> DopeGhoti: My 14 year old brain may have trouble.
#1509 [18:30] <Tahno> Sticky, I've deleted the bin folder and the mine craft folder.
#1510 [18:30] <digs> Peace
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#1512 [18:30] <stickypixel> digs - No problem buddy. Be sure to visit whenever you need help.
#1513 [18:30] <Tahno> minecraft*
#1514 [18:31] <DopeGhoti> stickypixel: I'd start with C++, as Java builds on it, and Java can teach you some bad habits
#1515 [18:31] <DopeGhoti> (and also some good ones, to be fair)
#1516 [18:31] <stickypixel> Does anyone have any idea how to translate a mac crash report?
#1517 [18:31] <stickypixel> I'm trying my best to see the problem.
#1518 [18:31] <DopeGhoti> how does it need translating?
#1519 [18:31] <DopeGhoti> it is in Farsi?
#1520 [18:32] <dariushall21> Hello everyone, I'm having issues with running MC on my gaming laptop after updating to windows 8, and now I'm getting the video card error, failed to find accelerated OpenGL mode, or something like that, I am running the latest Catalyst drivers and have ran all of windows updates, I'm not sure what else to try. It works on my other ATI card running on windows 8, just not on my laptop.
#1521 [18:32] <stickypixel> No, as in, I don't know how to look at a Mac crash report for MC.
#1522 [18:32] <DopeGhoti> !topic info 6
#1523 [18:32] <VoxelHead> #minecrafthelp: element [ 6 = Windows 8 issues? Try disabling Metro. ] ... set by [ GreyVulpine | Sat Nov 24 17:18:41 MST 2012 ]
#1524 [18:32] <DiskDaemon> Tahno: Are you using a different launcher to run Minecraft? SUch as multi minecraft manager, or others like that?
#1525 [18:33] <Tahno> Well, my client doesn't work properly, so I am using the MinecraftLauncher contained inside the mine craft.app
#1526 [18:33] <Tahno> minecraft.app*
#1527 [18:33] <stickypixel> DiskDaemon - This is Tahno's crash report: http://pastebin.com/QXdbyQ76
#1528 [18:33] <dariushall21> I'm not sure how to disable metro. It works fine on my other computer running windows 8 with metro
#1529 [18:33] <Tahno> But it works the exact same as the client itself.
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#1531 [18:33] <DiskDaemon> stickypixel: Yes, that looks similar to the mac crash report from http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1207158-multi-minecraft-manager-mmm/#entry15524818
#1532 [18:33] <DiskDaemon> stickypixel: with the "Exception Type: EXC_BREAKPOINT (SIGTRAP)"
#1533 [18:34] <stickypixel> Ah.
#1534 [18:34] <DopeGhoti> It looks like there was a debug symbol in the code; it hit a break point
#1535 [18:34] <DopeGhoti> that's what a TRAP signal usually is, no?
#1536 [18:34] <DiskDaemon> Tahno: So your client doesn't work properly so you are using some kind of work-around. Let's see if you can get things working properly without your work-around
#1537 [18:34] <DopeGhoti> I might try reinstalling from scratch
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#1539 [18:35] <stickypixel> dariushall21: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=How+to+disable+metro+on+Windows+8
#1540 [18:35] * Smanly|Away is now known as Smanly
#1541 [18:35] <Tahno> Disk, my client is basically ruined.
#1542 [18:35] <Tahno> I don't know what happened, but it's some sort of parental controls.
#1543 [18:36] <DiskDaemon> Tahno: I'm sorry to hear that
#1544 [18:36] <DopeGhoti> ??> Tahno mac/reinst
#1545 [18:36] <VoxelHead> Tahno: (mac/reinst) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#1546 [18:36] <VoxelHead> Tahno: (mac/reinst) To do so, in the Finder, from the Go menu, select Home. Then open Library, Application Support, and then minecraft. Drag the bin and resources folders to the trash, then try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
#1547 [18:36] <DiskDaemon> Tahno: I suggest that you don't try to play Minecraft on that machine with those parental restrictions, and play it on a different computer instead
#1548 [18:36] <Tahno> Yeah. Is there any way you can help with the MinecraftLauncher, Disk?
#1549 [18:37] <Tahno> Well, I'd like to play it on the MinecraftLauncher.jar. It was working fine until today.
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#1551 [18:37] <DiskDaemon> Tahno: Either that, or make arrangements to lift those parental restrictions
#1552 [18:37] <DopeGhoti> or you could just ignore the advice you're being given
#1553 [18:37] <DopeGhoti> whatever melts your butter, dude
#1554 [18:37] <Tahno> So is there NO way you can help me, Disk?
#1555 [18:37] <InsanityByTheBook> Hey can someone here help me?
#1556 [18:37] <stickypixel> DopeGhoti: Do you think I should attempt to learn C then progress to C++/Java?
#1557 [18:37] <DiskDaemon> Tahno: Correct
#1558 [18:37] <DopeGhoti> ??> InsanityByTheBook telepathy
#1559 [18:37] <VoxelHead> InsanityByTheBook: (telepathy) We are not telepathic, we cannot determine through divination what your problem is, we can be of no use to you unless you describe to us, in detail, exactly what problem you are having.
#1560 [18:37] <DopeGhoti> SirCmpwn: I'd start with C++
#1561 [18:37] <stickypixel> InsanityByTheBook: I'll be happy to help.
#1562 [18:37] <DopeGhoti> stickypixel rather
#1563 [18:37] <DopeGhoti> (sorry, SirCmpwn)
#1564 [18:37] <Tahno> Pardon me for asking, but why can't you help me?
#1565 [18:38] <SirCmpwn> I'd start with python if you want something to learn from
#1566 [18:38] <stickypixel> InsanityByTheBook: What is your problem?
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#1568 [18:38] <stickypixel> SirCmpwn: Done that already.
#1569 [18:38] <Tahno> Is it simply because of the parental controls?
#1570 [18:38] <SirCmpwn> C is too low level, and C++ sucks
#1571 [18:38] <InsanityByTheBook> Ok, I am trying to sign up for a minecraft account, and the register area doesnt ask for a username
#1572 [18:38] <DiskDaemon> Tahno: Because you are not using the normal way to play the game, but are attempting to use some kind of workaround to bypass your computer security settings. That is not good, and is something that we can not help with
#1573 [18:38] <DopeGhoti> Python is an excellent language, but starting out with C(++) will also give you a huge head start in Java, PHP, and other languages that share its syntax
#1574 [18:38] <stickypixel> InsanityByTheBook: The new system allows you to choose a username when purchasing minecraft.
#1575 [18:39] <Tahno> Ok. I understand.
#1576 [18:39] <SirCmpwn> stickypixel: if you know python, try C
#1577 [18:39] <stickypixel> insanityByTheBook: Instead of at mojang sign up.
#1578 [18:39] <InsanityByTheBook> So when I buy it I choose it then. Ok thanks
#1579 [18:39] <DopeGhoti> InsanityByTheBook: correct.
#1580 [18:39] <SirCmpwn> stickypixel: my favorite language is C#, but I detest Java and C++ is too clunky
#1581 [18:39] <stickypixel> No problem ;)
#1582 [18:39] <InsanityByTheBook> Thanks guys
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#1584 [18:39] <stickypixel> DopeGhoti: I've just seen things like "If you learn C first, all other languages are easier.
#1585 [18:39] <stickypixel> "
#1586 [18:40] <DopeGhoti> SirCmpwn: I don't know C#, but all C# / .net code I've seen makes it look like a window's only "Not Java we swear!"
#1587 [18:40] <SirCmpwn> C is the defacto standard for programming languages
#1588 [18:40] <SirCmpwn> DopeGhoti: windows only is false, and it's like java, but not horrible like java
#1589 [18:40] <phil2> this is phil again. can i check this other computer that i have for compatibility please. i followed the directions you gave me earlier
#1590 [18:40] <DopeGhoti> stickypixel: C++ is a superset of C, and includes a lot of things that C lacks that most modern languages have (such as Objects)
#1591 [18:40] <DiskDaemon> DopeGhoti: That's because Microsoft developed C# as an attempt to embrace, extend and destroy java
#1592 [18:40] <SirCmpwn> DopeGhoti: stickypixel: plus a bunch of other bullshit
#1593 [18:41] <SirCmpwn> I use C to make my assembly look pretty
#1594 [18:41] <stickypixel> phil2: Try it out.
#1595 [18:41] <DopeGhoti> stickypixel / SirCmpwn: I am by no means asserting that C++ is The One True Language, but if you know neither C++ nor C, I'd say pick up C++
#1596 [18:41] <DopeGhoti> (between the two)
#1597 [18:41] <stickypixel> I'll be sure to attempt it.
#1598 [18:41] <SirCmpwn> C is lower level
#1599 [18:41] <SirCmpwn> you learn more about your computer
#1600 [18:41] <SirCmpwn> which is important
#1601 [18:41] <phil2> this time i cannot paste on pastebin???
#1602 [18:42] <stickypixel> phil2: You can try paste.ubuntu.com or pastie.com
#1603 [18:42] <DopeGhoti> SirCmpwn: C++ is a strict supserset of C, so it's just as low-level. C++ just also has some higher-level things
#1604 [18:42] <SirCmpwn> coding C++ at that low of a level is generally considered bad practice
#1605 [18:42] <SirCmpwn> just because it's possible doesn't mean that it's how things are done in C++
#1606 [18:42] <DopeGhoti> So is coding in PHP at all, but people still do it (:
#1607 [18:42] <stickypixel> DopeGhoti: How old are you? (comparing possible differences)
#1608 [18:43] <SirCmpwn> DopeGhoti: don't compare PHP to anything, PHP doesn't deserve the title of "language"
#1609 [18:43] <DopeGhoti> SirCmpwn: I agree completely
#1610 [18:43] <DopeGhoti> stickypixel: 34
#1611 [18:43] <SirCmpwn> not do its users earn the title "developer" or "programmer"
#1612 [18:43] <stickypixel> DopeGhoti: Yeah, uhh...
#1613 [18:43] <SirCmpwn> I prefer "idiot" or "dumbfuck"
#1614 [18:43] * AuBot kicked SirCmpwn from #minecrafthelp (Reason: irCmpwn :Please keep it civil.)
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#1616 [18:43] <stickypixel> xD
#1617 [18:43] <stickypixel> I'm 14.
#1618 [18:43] <SirCmpwn> pfft
#1619 [18:44] <DopeGhoti> I agree with your sentiment, if not your choice of lexicon (:
#1620 [18:44] <phil2> you are teaching me a ton. here is the report http://paste.ubuntu.com/1395723/
#1621 [18:44] <stickypixel> I got phil2 guys.
#1622 [18:44] <stickypixel> :P
#1623 [18:44] <DopeGhoti> Oh look, a GPU driver from 2010. How cute.
#1624 [18:44] <SirCmpwn> also, apparently this is #minecrafthelp
#1625 [18:45] <DopeGhoti> SirCmpwn: indeed it is. Did you think it somehting else? (:
#1626 [18:45] <SirCmpwn> I didn't actually know where I was until kick message
#1627 [18:45] <stickypixel> phil2: Forgive me for forgetting, but what was the initial problem you were having?
#1628 [18:45] <SirCmpwn> DopeGhoti: I was just highlighted here :P
#1629 [18:45] <phil2> thanks stickypixel
#1630 [18:45] <DopeGhoti> fair enough (:
#1631 [18:45] <phil2> i can't download the app
#1632 [18:45] <SirCmpwn> your emoticon is backwards
#1633 [18:45] <SirCmpwn> don't make me kill you
#1634 [18:45] <DopeGhoti> drawn into a conversation by my tabfail (:
#1635 [18:45] <DopeGhoti> it's not backwards; you are, you rightist!
#1636 [18:45] * SirCmpwn throws knives at DopeGhoti
#1636 [18:45] <stickypixel> phil2: Downloading the game, or playing/updating it.
#1637 [18:45] <SirCmpwn> how's that for civil, AuBot
#1638 [18:46] <SirCmpwn> DopeGhoti: I find it hard to believe that people who use backwards emoticons are also 34 years old
#1639 [18:46] <phil2> downloading. i paid and determined that the notebook i paid on its compatible and now i am checking to see if this other computer will work
#1640 [18:47] <DiskDaemon> ??> phil2 win/dxdiag
#1641 [18:47] <VoxelHead> phil2: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#1642 [18:47] <VoxelHead> phil2: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#1643 [18:47] <DopeGhoti> SirCmpwn: They are objectively superior, as they allow for less ambigious inclusion at the end of a parenthetical aside (such as this one (: ). Also, I'm left-handed. Deal with it.
#1644 [18:47] <stickypixel> Disk - We've already been working with him.
#1645 [18:47] <stickypixel> Disk - He just switch computers.
#1646 [18:47] <SirCmpwn> wow, that bot assumes the worst in lack of knowledge
#1647 [18:47] <phil2> yes, did all that except i had to post to a different url. here it is. http://paste.ubuntu.com/1395723/
#1648 [18:48] <DopeGhoti> SirCmpwn: make something idiot-proof, and someone comes along with a better-designed idiot. (:
#1649 [18:48] <SirCmpwn> DopeGhoti: they also have the side effect of making you look like a 14yo
#1650 [18:48] <stickypixel> phil2: You should be just fine playing Minecraft with your setup.
#1651 [18:48] <DiskDaemon> Well that other computer has the memory, but the graphics card is looking pretty old. It should be possible to help to get things going on there though
#1652 [18:48] <DopeGhoti> If I were fourteen, I think my emoticons would contain Kanji unicode, or carets.
#1653 [18:49] <phil2> omg what great news. how long does it take to download? i am so happy that i found you! two days and a migraine headache
#1654 [18:49] <SirCmpwn> (^_^)~~~
#1655 [18:49] <stickypixel> phil2: I never seen someone get a migraine over Minecraft.
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#1657 [18:49] <stickypixel> phil2: But the download should only be a few seconds.
#1658 [18:49] <SirCmpwn> phil2: why don't you try compiling monodevelop from source on linux
#1659 [18:49] <stickypixel> phil2: Minecraft isn't that big.
#1660 [18:50] <phil2> for my 8 year old it is
#1661 [18:50] <stickypixel> phil2: I mean in file size.
#1662 [18:50] <phil2> LOL
#1663 [18:50] <SirCmpwn> the age of the user does not affect the size of downloaded files
#1664 [18:50] <SirCmpwn> in case you were unaware
#1665 [18:50] <phil2> killing me
#1666 [18:50] <stickypixel> SirCmpwn: Oh calm down,
#1667 [18:50] <SirCmpwn> ?
#1668 [18:50] <phil2> i might be back. you guys rock
#1669 [18:51] <stickypixel> phil2: Good luck. Have fun with Minecraft!
#1670 [18:52] <stickypixel> DopeGhoti: Y0u t41k1ng tr45h 4b0u7 my 3m071c0n5?!
#1671 [18:52] <stickypixel> :b
#1672 [18:52] <Eddie> wot
#1673 [18:52] <stickypixel> who
#1674 [18:53] <Eddie> wot: 3rd person singular present of wit (Verb)
#1675 [18:53] <Eddie> Which means to have knowledge.
#1676 [18:53] <DopeGhoti> Eddie: suddenly, the dialogue from Animal Crossing makes more sense.
#1677 [18:54] <SirCmpwn> 10 bucks says that was a retrospectively applied usage of wot
#1678 [18:55] <stickypixel> I feel shallow now.
#1679 [18:55] <DopeGhoti> Depth comes with age. Or digging.
#1680 [18:55] <stickypixel> Heh.
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#1682 [18:56] <Eddie> Or asteroid impact.
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#1684 [18:56] <SirCmpwn> there are a great number of ways to achieve depth
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#1686 [18:56] <SirCmpwn> listing them here would not be a productive use of time
#1687 [18:57] <phil2> stickypixel: it worked!! its ready to go. you made one dumb blonde very happy. and one 8 year old little boy elated
#1688 [18:57] <stickypixel> DopeGhoti: Thank you for the programming tips though.
#1689 [18:57] <DopeGhoti> stickypixel: anytime.
#1690 [18:57] <stickypixel> phil2: I try my best and I'm happy to help.
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#1692 [18:57] <stickypixel> phil2: I'm just a 14 year old :p
#1693 [18:57] <stickypixel> DopeGhoti: Do you use an IDE or just Notepad++/
#1694 [18:58] <stickypixel> ?
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#1696 [18:58] <phil2> you are one brilliant teenager. use this knowledge for GOOD!. peace
#1697 [18:58] <stickypixel> I'm thinking of downloading the C++ version of eclipse.
#1698 [18:58] <DopeGhoti> stickypixel: vim, generally.
#1699 [18:58] <SirCmpwn> don't do it, stickypixel
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#1701 [18:58] <SirCmpwn> eclipse is not good in any context, IMO
#1702 [18:58] <SirCmpwn> just use C and vi
#1703 [18:58] <stickypixel> It just looks nice :3
#1704 [18:58] <Eddie> I use Eclipse. Although I don't use all its features, it works for me.
#1705 [18:58] <DopeGhoti> ecliple is (reputedly) great for Java, but any other language feels badly shoehorned into it
#1706 [18:58] <SirCmpwn> also, if you're using windows, you need to install linux instead
#1707 [18:59] <SirCmpwn> it's far better for learning programming
#1708 [18:59] <DopeGhoti> vi{,m} uber alles!
#1709 [18:59] <Eddie> I am a vim and emacs hater :D
#1710 [18:59] <SirCmpwn> well then use gedit or kate or something
#1711 [18:59] <stickypixel> DopeGhoti: Does it have a linux version?
#1712 [18:59] <SirCmpwn> stickypixel: hahahahahahahahaha
#1713 [18:59] <DopeGhoti> stickypixel: what, vim? er, yes.
#1714 [18:59] <SirCmpwn> best question ever
#1715 [18:59] <stickypixel> Disregard that statement.
#1716 [19:00] <SirCmpwn> brb calling stallman
#1717 [19:00] <DopeGhoti> It wasn't a statement; it was an interrogation. (:
#1718 [19:00] <stickypixel> What was so funny of my question?
#1719 [19:00] <DopeGhoti> vi, and later vim, originated on POSIX platforms
#1720 [19:00] <SirCmpwn> >does vim have a Linux version
#1721 [19:00] <SirCmpwn> that's what's funny
#1722 [19:00] <DopeGhoti> it's only (relatively) recently that it was even available for Windows.
#1723 [19:00] <SirCmpwn> I didn't even know there was a windows version
#1724 [19:01] <stickypixel> I didn't know there was this program.
#1725 [19:01] <SirCmpwn> anyway, you want to get the best learning experience?
#1726 [19:01] <stickypixel> Yet again, I'm not up to speed with Ubuntu/Linux.
#1727 [19:01] <DopeGhoti> SirCmpwn: and now it is my turn to laugh at you. (: If there's C code, and a compiler, there's a Windows version (essentially).
#1728 [19:01] <SirCmpwn> I have a method that has worked for several people
#1729 [19:01] <stickypixel> SirCmpwn: Is it the best learning experience according to SirCmpwn?
#1730 [19:01] <SirCmpwn> DopeGhoti: correction: I didn't even know there were prebuilt binaries
#1731 [19:01] <stickypixel> :b
#1732 [19:01] <DopeGhoti> stickypixel: the best way to get up to speed is to dive in and start using it
#1733 [19:01] <SirCmpwn> stickypixel: install headless linux (i.e. no GUI)
#1734 [19:02] <SirCmpwn> stickypixel: learn how to use it as effectively as you use your computer now
#1735 [19:02] <DopeGhoti> I would recommend Ubuntu Server as a starter distribution
#1736 [19:02] <SirCmpwn> stickypixel: then learn C.
#1737 [19:02] <stickypixel> SirCmpwn: I would take more chances if I understood unix more better.
#1738 [19:02] <SirCmpwn> ubuntu server is a good one
#1739 [19:02] <SirCmpwn> stickypixel: you have to just dive in
#1740 [19:02] <stickypixel> stickypixel: So C++ to C?
#1741 [19:02] <SirCmpwn> fuck C++
#1742 [19:02] * AuBot kicked SirCmpwn from #minecrafthelp (Reason: irCmpwn :Please keep it civil.)
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#1744 [19:02] <SirCmpwn> asdf
#1745 [19:02] <Frostic> start with C
#1746 [19:02] <stickypixel> That doesn't get old.
#1747 [19:02] <SirCmpwn> start with C indeed
#1748 [19:02] <Eddie> You don't need Ubuntu Server, there's the minimal installation of Ubuntu
#1749 [19:02] <Frostic> ^^
#1750 [19:03] <stickypixel> Or Arch Linux.
#1751 [19:03] <DopeGhoti> stickypixel: if you start with C++, you will simultaneously be learning C, as well as more modern methodologies.
#1752 [19:03] <SirCmpwn> anyway, learn the basic commands
#1753 [19:03] <SirCmpwn> install irssi
#1754 [19:03] <SirCmpwn> and exclusively use headless linux for a month
#1755 [19:03] <SirCmpwn> you'll be hirable anywhere if you can manage it
#1756 [19:03] <stickypixel> DopeGhoti: I'll take up that route. 2 in 1 is a lot easier than 2 separate.
#1757 [19:03] <DopeGhoti> also, Stanford has their Java and C++ courses available for free online
#1758 [19:03] <SirCmpwn> false
#1759 [19:03] <SirCmpwn> if you learn C++, you'll be learning C++
#1760 [19:03] <DopeGhoti> Again, C++ is a superset of C
#1761 [19:03] <SirCmpwn> if you learn C, you'll learn C++, as nearly all C code compiles on a C++ compiler
#1762 [19:03] <DopeGhoti> if you know C++, you know C
#1763 [19:03] <Frostic> DopeGhoti where is this java course for free?
#1764 [19:03] <SirCmpwn> the reverse is not true
#1765 [19:04] <SirCmpwn> you have to unlearn things to use C in your scenario
#1766 [19:04] <stickypixel> Frostic: I"m looking for that.
#1767 [19:04] <SirCmpwn> also, C is the defacto standard for language design
#1768 [19:04] <SirCmpwn> if you learn it, you'll have an easier time learning everything else
#1769 [19:04] <Boreeas> C, now a prime example of language design
#1770 [19:04] <Frostic> if you find it gimme a link i want to make plugins. i have so many ideas
#1771 [19:05] <stickypixel> OMG, I'm fanboying everywhere.
#1772 [19:05] <stickypixel> In about 7 years, Drake and Josh is on regular nickelodeon.
#1773 [19:05] <stickypixel> :D
#1774 [19:05] <DopeGhoti> Frostic: if you have any iDevices, you can go to https://itunes.apple.com/us/itunes-u/programming-methodology/id384232896 ; otherwise, freele available from Stanford's site
#1775 [19:05] <SirCmpwn> your showing your age
#1776 [19:05] <Boreeas> Also, what crazy mind would take vi/m for code editing?
#1777 [19:05] <SirCmpwn> and your age is not generally likable on IRC
#1778 [19:05] <stickypixel> SirCmpwn: I should care why?
#1779 [19:05] <SirCmpwn> just giving you the information
#1780 [19:05] <SirCmpwn> no need to get snotty
#1781 [19:06] <stickypixel> SirCmpwn: I'm not here to impress, just saying.
#1782 [19:06] <Eddie> *cough*ewwC++*cough*
#1783 [19:06] <stickypixel> DopeGhoti: Where's the C++ one?
#1784 [19:06] <stickypixel> DopeGhoti: Or does it have both, but only saying Java?
#1785 [19:06] <SirCmpwn> stop trying to learn C++ :(
#1786 [19:06] <SirCmpwn> just man up and learn C
#1787 [19:07] <DopeGhoti> stickypixel: one moment
#1788 [19:07] <DopeGhoti> SirCmpwn: stop being so judgemental
#1789 [19:07] <Eddie> The C++ courses are called Programming Abstractions
#1790 [19:07] <SirCmpwn> everything boils down to C anyway
#1791 [19:07] <stickypixel> ^^
#1792 [19:07] <DopeGhoti> https://itunes.apple.com/us/itunes-u/programming-abstractions/id384232917 <-- The C++ course
#1793 [19:07] <Eddie> and I was right
#1794 [19:07] <NinjaKirby> SirCmpwn: I highly recommend you learn C
#1795 [19:07] <DopeGhoti> again, through iTunes U or direct from Stanford
#1796 [19:07] <SirCmpwn> wat
#1797 [19:07] <DopeGhoti> NinjaKirby: *snrk*
#1798 [19:07] <stickypixel> DopeGhoti: Thanks for the link. +1
#1799 [19:08] <NinjaKirby> DopeGhoti: I highly recommend you learn C++
#1800 [19:08] <NinjaKirby> My work is done.
#1801 [19:08] <DopeGhoti> NinjaKirby: okay, done. Now what?
#1802 [19:08] <NinjaKirby> Oh...
#1803 [19:08] <stickypixel> NinjaKirby: You're like asking a science teacher to learn science.
#1804 [19:08] <SirCmpwn> he is aware of this, stickypixel
#1805 [19:08] <Frostic> no idevices. but i got eclips and its setup properly for making plugins and i made a simple plugin when you type /mama it tells a mama joke but this is very simple and literally is 15 lines of code lol
#1806 [19:08] <NinjaKirby> Indeed, just adding a bit of derp to the conversation.
#1807 [19:08] <stickypixel> SirCmpwn: I feel more aware once you told me, SirJudgemental.
#1808 [19:09] <SirCmpwn> what kind of name is SirJudgemental
#1809 [19:09] <Boreeas> DopeGhoti: Now learn to write machine code
#1810 [19:09] <stickypixel> One that I quickly thought of.
#1811 [19:09] <SirCmpwn> what kind of (there's a censor bot in here) thinks that's a worthy insult
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#1813 [19:09] <stickypixel> I wasn't attempting to actually insult you.
#1814 [19:10] <Boreeas> Okay, could you both calm down?
#1815 [19:10] <NinjaKirby> lol
#1816 [19:10] <SirCmpwn> you're portraying judgementalism to be a bad thing
#1817 [19:10] <stickypixel> In an aspect it is.
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#1819 [19:10] <SirCmpwn> and why does every half-asdfed argument on the internet involve someone presuming all parties are angry and insisting that they calm down
#1820 [19:10] <Eddie> Order.
#1821 [19:10] <stickypixel> The internet said so. :p
#1822 [19:11] * Eddie taps with his gavel
#1822 [19:11] <DopeGhoti> Boreeas: http://hastebin.com/gaxufajumu.asm
#1823 [19:11] <DopeGhoti> Boreeas: will that do?
#1824 [19:11] <stickypixel> Does anyone feel the pain of Skype sounding like someone is scraping chalk against a board in Ubuntu or Linux
#1825 [19:11] <stickypixel> ?
#1826 [19:11] <SirCmpwn> nope.
#1827 [19:11] <SirCmpwn> runs fine for me
#1828 [19:11] <stickypixel> It sounds horrible for me.
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#1830 [19:12] <stickypixel> It works once I mute the mic a few times.
#1831 [19:12] <stickypixel> But overall sounds trash.
#1832 [19:12] <SirCmpwn> DopeGhoti: what on earth is that
#1833 [19:12] <SirCmpwn> DopeGhoti: it looks like assembly until >.weakref
#1834 [19:12] <SirCmpwn> which suggests object orientedness
#1835 [19:12] <DopeGhoti> it's object-oriented assembly
#1836 [19:12] <SirCmpwn> that sounds like the worst idea ever
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#1838 [19:13] <stickypixel> Did you guys install Skype through their website or through a program?
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#1840 [19:13] <SirCmpwn> stickypixel: sudo apt-get install skype
#1841 [19:13] <stickypixel> I downloaded it through the website if it makes a possible difference.
#1842 [19:13] <SirCmpwn> that's how you are to install everything you don't build yourself, generally
#1843 [19:13] <stickypixel> I'll have to uninstall the skype I have now first, correct?
#1844 [19:13] <Boreeas> DopeGhoti: Use NASM, the syntax looks so much nicer
#1845 [19:13] <SirCmpwn> probably
#1846 [19:14] <SirCmpwn> also, real programmers use butterflies
#1847 [19:14] <Boreeas> And it looks like some kind of hello world, but that's just a wild guess
#1848 [19:14] <DopeGhoti> no, real programmers use singularities.
#1849 [19:15] <DopeGhoti> Boreeas: that's exactly what it is, in fact
#1850 [19:15] <DopeGhoti> was line 3 not a subtle clue?
#1851 [19:15] <Eddie> I prefer println("Hello world") and be done with it
#1852 [19:15] <Boreeas> It was, which is the only reason why I guessed that it could be
#1853 [19:15] <Boreeas> My hello world in assembly was much shorter though. Whatever this is, it's a mess
#1854 [19:16] <SirCmpwn> I've written a kernel/os thing in assembly
#1855 [19:17] <stickypixel> SirCmpwn: "Package skype:i386 is not available, but is referred to by another page. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source."
#1856 [19:17] <SirCmpwn> sounds like you broke it
#1857 [19:17] <SirCmpwn> well done.
#1858 [19:17] <stickypixel> SirCmpwn: "E: Package 'skype:i386' has no installation candidate"
#1859 [19:17] <stickypixel> I've done nothing.
#1860 [19:17] <DopeGhoti> Boreeas: here's the non-OO version: http://hastebin.com/borowuqasi.avrasm
#1861 [19:17] <stickypixel> I type it in.
#1862 [19:17] <SirCmpwn> stickypixel: broken it in the past, that is
#1863 [19:17] <stickypixel> That's it.
#1864 [19:17] <SirCmpwn> stickypixel: what distro/version
#1865 [19:18] <stickypixel> Ubuntu 12.04 (quantal)
#1866 [19:18] <SirCmpwn> can you successfully sudo apt-get update
#1867 [19:18] <Boreeas> DopeGhoti: That's a lot better. I still prefer http://hastebin.com/jeyigewoci.hs though
#1868 [19:19] <DopeGhoti> yeah, well, `gcc -O2 -S` isn't perfect (:
#1869 [19:19] <stickypixel> All that went wrong was that myunity's repo didn't go through.
#1870 [19:19] <stickypixel> But that's unrelated to Skype.
#1871 [19:19] <Boreeas> Pfft
#1872 [19:19] <SirCmpwn> aptitude is touchy
#1873 [19:19] <SirCmpwn> I bet you've broken it.
#1874 [19:19] <SirCmpwn> why would you do that
#1875 [19:20] <stickypixel> Why do you imply I did it on purpose?
#1876 [19:20] <SirCmpwn> because of the magic of sarcasm
#1877 [19:20] <stickypixel> :b
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#1879 [19:21] <Eddie> For England, James?
#1880 [19:21] <stickypixel> I wonder what to do now.
#1881 [19:21] <SirCmpwn> the obvious answer is to give up
#1882 [19:22] <SirCmpwn> also, ##ubuntu is a thing
#1883 [19:22] <stickypixel> *in the sound of Eric Cartman* but I want my skype!
#1884 [19:22] <SirCmpwn> wait, this is esper
#1885 [19:22] <SirCmpwn> ##ubuntu on irc.freenode.net is a thing
#1886 [19:22] <DopeGhoti> one octothope is also a thing too
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#1889 [19:23] <SirCmpwn> it is possible to be on two networks at once, stickypixel ;)
#1890 [19:23] <stickypixel> I pressed the wrong one, I do know that.
#1891 [19:23] <SirCmpwn> have you tried /join 0
#1892 [19:23] <SirCmpwn> have you tried /join 0
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#1894 [19:24] <SirCmpwn> <_<
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#1896 [19:24] <NinjaKirby> Eddie: "Half of everything in life is Luck", "And the other half?", "Fate"
#1897 [19:24] <Boreeas> ...
#1898 [19:25] <abman> hey my minecraft all of a sudden started crashing
#1899 [19:25] <NinjaKirby> Then Ourumov busts into the Facility.
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#1901 [19:25] <abman> and this is the first line of code
#1902 [19:25] <abman> org.lwjgl.LWJGLException: Could not get the JAWT interface
#1903 [19:25] <NinjaKirby> But James used life hacks and wields infinite Ammo and Dual RCP90's.
#1904 [19:25] <SirCmpwn> wb stickypixel
#1905 [19:25] <stickypixel> SirCmpwn: >_<
#1906 [19:25] <Boreeas> abman: You need to reinstall LWJGL
#1907 [19:25] <abman> how?
#1908 [19:26] <Boreeas> Give me a second, I had instructions on how to do it somewehere
#1909 [19:26] <abman> thanks
#1910 [19:26] <DiskDaemon> This one? http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Tutorials/Update_LWJGL
#1911 [19:26] <Boreeas> http://paste.kealper.com/view/7IL09r0W is what I meant
#1912 [19:27] <DiskDaemon> Somehow those kealper instructions seem to be incomplete
#1913 [19:27] <NinjaKirby> LOL, there is even an "Ourumov mashup", wonderufl human creativity.
#1914 [19:28] <Boreeas> DiskDaemon: Really, what's missing?
#1915 [19:28] <DiskDaemon> The updates to the files in the natives folder, for example
#1916 [19:29] <DiskDaemon> Oh no, that's step 3
#1917 [19:29] <abman> wait where is the naitive thing again?
#1918 [19:30] <DiskDaemon> However, lwjgl is up to 2.8.5 now. Is it 2.8.4 from those kealper instructions, or the more recent 2.8.5 that you would advise him to use?
#1919 [19:30] <Boreeas> Uhh, I don't know. 2.8.4 always worked for me, but I guess 2.8.5 works too
#1920 [19:30] <abman> i downloaded 2.8.5 but what do i do with it again? i have a MAC
#1921 [19:31] <Boreeas> Extract it to a folder
#1922 [19:31] <DiskDaemon> Let's go with the instructions from the wiki then :)
#1923 [19:31] <Boreeas> Mhm
#1924 [19:33] <stickypixel> Got my Skype back.
#1925 [19:33] <abman> how do i find the bin folder on a mac?
#1926 [19:34] <stickypixel> ?? mac/.minecraft
#1927 [19:34] <VoxelHead> mac/.minecraft: To get at Minecraft's locally stored files on a Mac, in the Finder, from the Go menu, select Home. Then open Library, Application Support. The folder you want is "minecraft".
#1928 [19:34] <SirCmpwn> step one: throw away mac
#1929 [19:34] <SirCmpwn> step two: purchase PC
#1930 [19:34] <stickypixel> ?? mac/.minecraft/lion
#1931 [19:34] <VoxelHead> mac/.minecraft/lion: Run this command in Terminal: chflags nohidden ~/Library
#1932 [19:35] <abman> ok i have lion... where is the menu?
#1933 [19:35] <stickypixel> step three: ignore SirCmpwn
#1934 [19:35] <stickypixel> :p
#1935 [19:36] <stickypixel> ??> abman mac/.minecraft
#1936 [19:36] <VoxelHead> abman: (mac/.minecraft) To get at Minecraft's locally stored files on a Mac, in the Finder, from the Go menu, select Home. Then open Library, Application Support. The folder you want is "minecraft".
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#1938 [19:41] <stickypixel> All is quiet once more, in the #minecrafthelp channel.
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#1941 [19:42] <abman> ok so somehow the minecraft folderisnt in application support anymore
#1942 [19:43] <BRETTDABEAST99> Why do certain blocks make minecraft freeze in 32 bit windows vista?
#1943 [19:43] <stickypixel> BRETTDABEAST99: It could be your computer, what blocks?
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#1945 [19:44] <BRETTDABEAST99> half of them. Like TNT alot of green blocks like grass and vines and glass.
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#1949 [19:44] <stickypixel> ??> BRETTDABEAST99 win/dxdiag
#1950 [19:44] <VoxelHead> BRETTDABEAST99: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#1951 [19:44] <VoxelHead> BRETTDABEAST99: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
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#1953 [19:45] <BRETTDABEAST99> windows
#1954 [19:46] <stickypixel> No, follow the instructions that VoxelHead explained.
#1955 [19:46] <BRETTDABEAST99> do i do that in game or on desktop
#1956 [19:46] <stickypixel> ?? win/key
#1957 [19:46] <VoxelHead> win/key: Hold down the Windows key (between Control and Alt, usually to the left of the space bar), and then press the other specified key. Think of it as typing a capital letter, but using that key instead of Shift.
#1958 [19:46] <stickypixel> Desktop
#1959 [19:46] <stickypixel> ?? win/key/image
#1960 [19:46] <VoxelHead> win/key/image: WARNING: May not appear exactly as shown. http://daily-grind.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Windows-Key-722215.jpg
#1961 [19:47] <BRETTDABEAST99> thanks Ill try that
#1962 [19:50] <BRETTDABEAST99> whats the IRC channel?
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#1965 [19:51] <BRETTDABEAST99> VOXELHEAD whats an IRC channel?
#1966 [19:51] <stickypixel> The IRC channel is this chat.
#1967 [19:51] <stickypixel> VoxelHead is a bot.
#1968 [19:52] <stickypixel> Not an actual user.
#1969 [19:52] <stickypixel> ?? bot
#1970 [19:52] <VoxelHead> bot: I just type quickly.
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#1972 [19:52] <BRETTDABEAST99> STICKEYPIXEL whts an IRC channel?
#1973 [19:52] <stickypixel> The IRC channel is this chat.
#1974 [19:52] <stickypixel> IRC channels go back to 1980's.
#1975 [19:52] <stickypixel> But is still stronger than ever.
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#1978 [19:56] <BRETTDABEAST99> http://pastebin.com/F4az267Z
#1979 [19:57] <BRETTDABEAST99> http://pastebin.com/F4az267Zi did it
#1980 [19:57] <BRETTDABEAST99> sticky pixel
#1981 [19:57] <BRETTDABEAST99> sticky pixeli have to go soon
#1982 [19:57] <stickypixel> Stay here if you want me to help you.
#1983 [19:57] <BRETTDABEAST99> I Cnt
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#1985 [19:58] <BRETTDABEAST99> I will
#1986 [19:58] <BRETTDABEAST99> Can I come back on on my computer i
#1987 [19:58] <BRETTDABEAST99> I want to switch
#1988 [19:58] <BRETTDABEAST99> will you be here
#1989 [19:58] <stickypixel> Of course.
#1990 [19:58] <BRETTDABEAST99> I will access this on another computer
#1991 [19:58] <BRETTDABEAST99> brb
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#1995 [20:01] <BRETTDABEAST99> stickeypixel im back
#1996 [20:01] <NinjaKirby> So much happened while you were away, but I'll tell you all about it later.
#1997 [20:01] <stickypixel> I would recommend adjusting your video on MInecraft.
#1998 [20:02] <stickypixel> NinjaKirby: :b
#1999 [20:02] <BRETTDABEAST99> to what
#2000 [20:02] <BRETTDABEAST99> I tried messing around with that
#2001 [20:02] <stickypixel> Maybe fast, if fancy.
#2002 [20:02] <stickypixel> You're specs are fine.
#2003 [20:02] <stickypixel> But it could be a minecraft settings.
#2004 [20:02] <BRETTDABEAST99> I tried that. It will freeze and then java binary will stop working
#2005 [20:03] <BRETTDABEAST99> Do i have the wrong version of java installed if I do please give me a download that will work on my system
#2006 [20:03] <stickypixel> ?? java/1.6
#2007 [20:03] <VoxelHead> java/1.6: To get the current version of Java 1.6 for nearly any platform, go here: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre6u35-downloads-1836473.html
#2008 [20:03] <BRETTDABEAST99> I have a 32bit system
#2009 [20:04] <BRETTDABEAST99> which java should I download should I get the latest one stickeypixel?
#2010 [20:04] <stickypixel> ??> java/1.6
#2011 [20:04] <stickypixel> Install that link I sent you.
#2012 [20:04] <stickypixel> ?? java/1
#2013 [20:04] <stickypixel> 6
#2014 [20:04] <stickypixel> ?? java/1.6
#2015 [20:04] <VoxelHead> java/1.6: To get the current version of Java 1.6 for nearly any platform, go here: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre6u35-downloads-1836473.html
#2016 [20:05] <BRETTDABEAST99> should I uninstall any java that I have installed right now?
#2017 [20:05] <stickypixel> Yes.
#2018 [20:06] <BRETTDABEAST99> so I go to my programs and features in the control panel and uninstall any java?
#2019 [20:06] <stickypixel> Yes.
#2020 [20:06] <stickypixel> Except for 1.6 if it is on there.
#2021 [20:07] <BRETTDABEAST99> should I download the windows x86 online version of it cause I see multiple options for windows
#2022 [20:07] <stickypixel> You may get different answers with different people, but I install the x86 online and offline, in-case I need them.
#2023 [20:08] <stickypixel> I also install 64 + 32 bit
#2024 [20:09] <BRETTDABEAST99> I only see one option, where is there 32 bit and 64 bit versions on the page because I dont see them on the java download page
#2025 [20:09] <stickypixel> just install x86, you should be fine.
#2026 [20:10] <BRETTDABEAST99> ok what if it doesnt work. have you ever heard of this happening to anyone else before?
#2027 [20:10] * Rogue[Away] is now known as Rogue[Zzz]
#2028 [20:10] <stickypixel> Remember, there is more than 1 option to solving a problem.
#2029 [20:10] <stickypixel> Remember, there is more than 1 option to solving a problem.
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#2032 [20:11] <stickypixel> Sorry
#2033 [20:11] <DiskDaemon> stickypixel: Or rather, there can be more than 1 attempt to solve a problem, depending on what the problem is and the amount of information that there is about it
#2034 [20:11] <BRETTDABEAST99> are you familiar with the problem I am having?
#2035 [20:12] <stickypixel> "I've learned something today. The solution to a problem, is usually the easiest one." -GLaDOS
#2036 [20:12] <NinjaKirby> Occam's Razor?
#2037 [20:12] <stickypixel> Portal 2.
#2038 [20:12] <stickypixel> :p
#2039 [20:12] <BRETTDABEAST99> stickey pixel are you a computer?
#2040 [20:12] <NinjaKirby> I figured that, lol
#2041 [20:12] <stickypixel> No, I'm not a computer.
#2042 [20:12] <NinjaKirby> I don't think that is Occam's Razor anyway
#2043 [20:12] <stickypixel> Just an intelligent human being.
#2044 [20:12] <stickypixel> Who has great grammar.
#2045 [20:13] <stickypixel> :b
#2046 [20:13] <BRETTDABEAST99> do you think reinstalling java will fix my problem?
#2047 [20:13] <DiskDaemon> Occam's Razor is that the simplest answer that fitsa ll the fact, is invariably the most correct one
#2048 [20:13] <stickypixel> ??> BRETTDABEAST99 java/1.7
#2049 [20:13] <VoxelHead> BRETTDABEAST99: (java/1.7) Java 1.7 known to be incompatible with Minecraft in many cases. Please install Java 1.6. http://java.com/en/download/manual_v6.jsp
#2050 [20:13] <NinjaKirby> DiskDaemon: Close enough
#2051 [20:13] * Elystus|shower is now known as Elystus
#2052 [20:14] <DiskDaemon> BRETTDABEAST99: I would be interested in seeing if the crash report has any information to divulge, when you experience the problem
#2053 [20:14] <DiskDaemon> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Crash#How_to_get_a_crash_report
#2054 [20:14] <stickypixel> BRETTDABEAST99: Why do you think I'm a computer?
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#2056 [20:15] <DiskDaemon> stickypixel: don't worry too much - I have been accused of being a bot on all too many occasions now
#2057 [20:16] <stickypixel> DIskDaemon - That would be an interesting troll. I would love to trick someone like that.
#2058 [20:16] <BRETTDABEAST99> I am downloading the offline and online versions
#2059 [20:17] <NinjaKirby> Hmm, Wikipedia's craving donations again.
#2060 [20:18] <NinjaKirby> I'd rather give the £30 to ACT or the Red Cross.
#2061 [20:18] <BRETTDABEAST99> I am waiting for java 7 to be uninstalled stickypixel
#2062 [20:19] <stickypixel> Okay, BRETTDABEAST99.
#2063 [20:21] <NinjaKirby> Cruise control Alias, my eyes bleed.
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#2068 [20:29] <eewee> Hello?
#2069 [20:29] <stickypixel> Hello.
#2070 [20:29] <eewee> can i speak to a tech please?? this si urgent
#2071 [20:29] <eewee> is*
#2072 [20:30] <DiskDaemon> ?? eewee ask
#2073 [20:30] <stickypixel> Right here buddy, what can I help you with?
#2074 [20:30] <DiskDaemon> ??> eewee ask
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#2076 [20:30] <VoxelHead> eewee: (ask) Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help with, and be as specific as possible.
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#2078 [20:30] <VoxelHead> eewee: (ask) If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#2079 [20:30] <eewee> uhh i bought and subscription for my friend but i used a wrong email adress<
#2080 [20:30] * techno156 is now known as techno156|School
#2081 [20:30] <eewee> i just bought it like 10 minutes ago
#2082 [20:31] <eewee> hes email is eewee2009@hotmail.com but i wrote eewwee2009 instead
#2083 [20:31] <eewee> which means i've bought mc with my credit card ona strangers account
#2084 [20:31] <DiskDaemon> eewee: Please contact customer support about your account, at http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/emails/new
#2085 [20:31] <stickypixel> ??> eewee accounts
#2086 [20:31] <VoxelHead> eewee: (accounts) Account or payment issues cannot be resolved by the helpers in this channel, you may contact Mojang directly to resolve this issue by following the instructions at: http://www.minecraft.net/support/
#2087 [20:32] <DiskDaemon> That /support/ link redirects now to help.mojang.com
#2088 [20:32] <eewee> its just that i'd have to calla tech
#2089 [20:32] <DiskDaemon> Mojang don't take phone calls
#2090 [20:33] <eewee> thing is i dont have the transaction ID but i do have the strangers user and i just want my bill cancelled
#2091 [20:33] <eewee> okay i get that<
#2092 [20:33] <eewee> but i dont have enough info
#2093 [20:33] <eewee> what to do?
#2094 [20:33] <DiskDaemon> eewee: Please contact customer support about your account, at http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/emails/new
#2095 [20:33] <stickypixel> Did you pay through PayPal or credit card?
#2096 [20:33] <eewee> credit card
#2097 [20:34] <stickypixel> Then look at your statement and it should be there.
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#2099 [20:34] <eewee> thanks anyways
#2100 [20:34] <NTG1299> (For the v1.2.3 update) Will villagers be able to spawn in a v1.8.2 world - generated village?
#2101 [20:34] <eewee> i just need to remove that payment
#2102 [20:34] <NTG1299> For 360
#2103 [20:34] <eewee> and put it on another account on the good mail
#2104 [20:35] <stickypixel> I'm not up to speed with that. But you can always ask on their twitter, twitter.com/4JStudios.
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#2106 [20:36] <whyamisocold> hello
#2107 [20:36] <stickypixel> Hello.
#2108 [20:36] <whyamisocold> hey sticky remmeber me
#2109 [20:36] <whyamisocold> remember **
#2110 [20:36] <stickypixel> Yes.
#2111 [20:36] <NinjaKirby> Press Extend on your Heating Control Panel, or raise the Thermostat to a suitable level.
#2112 [20:36] <whyamisocold> I am having a different problem now with the actual minecraft now
#2113 [20:37] <stickypixel> ??> whyamisocold ask
#2114 [20:37] <VoxelHead> whyamisocold: (ask) Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help with, and be as specific as possible.
#2115 [20:37] <VoxelHead> whyamisocold: (ask) If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#2116 [20:37] <NinjaKirby> lol...
#2117 [20:37] <stickypixel> Tell me the problem, whyamisocold?
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#2119 [20:38] <whyamisocold> Could you help me with speeding up my minecraft... ever since like last week its is very slow, it often freezes and i miss the que for servers
#2120 [20:38] <stickypixel> ??> whyamisocold win/dxdiag
#2121 [20:38] <VoxelHead> whyamisocold: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#2122 [20:38] <VoxelHead> whyamisocold: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#2123 [20:38] <BRETTDABEAST99> STICKEYPIXEL it didnt work
#2124 [20:38] <stickypixel> ^^
#2125 [20:38] <DiskDaemon> whyamisocold: Sure - the best speedup advice is to use faster hardware
#2126 [20:38] <BRETTDABEAST99> it didnt work
#2127 [20:38] <stickypixel> BRETTDABEAST99: Did you attempt to edit the video settings in minecraft?
#2128 [20:38] <BRETTDABEAST99> No what should they be
#2129 [20:39] <stickypixel> Set them to low settings, fast, tiny distance, opengl on, vsync on, clouds off, particles minimal, smooth lightning off, and brightness moody.
#2130 [20:39] <BRETTDABEAST99> what about server textures?
#2131 [20:39] <BRETTDABEAST99> on or off?
#2132 [20:40] <stickypixel> Leave that on.
#2133 [20:40] <stickypixel> Not a lot of servers use that
#2134 [20:40] <stickypixel> It seems useless.
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#2136 [20:40] <whyamisocold> no, like it was fast originally then it slowed down
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#2138 [20:40] <stickypixel> Do what VoxelHead said. Then I will see if I can help you.
#2139 [20:41] <SinZ> Server Textures is optional per server too, and you get asked when you login
#2140 [20:41] <whyamisocold> http://pastebin.com/fQewPzj1
#2141 [20:42] <BRETTDABEAST99> still didnt work
#2142 [20:42] <BRETTDABEAST99> I have to go
#2143 [20:42] <BRETTDABEAST99> should I get an older version of minecraft?
#2144 [20:42] <BRETTDABEAST99> STICKEYPIXEL?
#2145 [20:43] <stickypixel> whyamisocold: You're processor could be at a better speed.
#2146 [20:43] <stickypixel> ??> BRETTDABEAST99 patience
#2147 [20:43] <VoxelHead> BRETTDABEAST99: (patience) Please be patient when waiting for a response. Many of the helpers here are helping in their free time at school or work, and often get called away.
#2148 [20:43] <VoxelHead> BRETTDABEAST99: (patience) In short, your supplications will be answered, in the order in which they are received. See also ?? attitude.
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#2150 [20:43] <whyamisocold> ik...... but its not the processor thats the problem
#2151 [20:43] <stickypixel> ??> BRETTDABEAST99 attitude
#2152 [20:43] <VoxelHead> BRETTDABEAST99: (attitude) The people in #MineCraftHelp offering assistance have no affiliation with Mojang, and are volunteering their time. Please treat them, and #MineCraftHelp, with respect.
#2153 [20:43] <VoxelHead> BRETTDABEAST99: (attitude) In short, the more of a jerk you are, the lower-priority your questions will be. We are not the Mojang complaint department.
#2154 [20:44] <stickypixel> whyamisocold: You would be surprised. Your processor speed is a 1.73 GHz, the requirement is 2.4 GHz.
#2155 [20:44] <whyamisocold> and its not like just one server... its all of them, for an example i would add a server and it takes 2 mins or so go get information and then it takes another 2mins to join
#2156 [20:45] <stickypixel> whyamisocold: You would be surprised. Your processor speed is a 1.73 GHz, the requirement is 2.4 GHz.
#2157 [20:45] <whyamisocold> want me to try my mac
#2158 [20:45] <stickypixel> You may get a different result.
#2159 [20:45] <whyamisocold> cause it was working fine last week
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#2161 [20:45] <whyamisocold> on my alienware
#2162 [20:45] <stickypixel> Mac's have better hardware, so I imagine you would be fine on the Mac.
#2163 [20:46] <stickypixel> Its shocking because you have a quad-core processor, but the speed is so slow.
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#2165 [20:46] <whyamisocold> ik.... how much would a new one be?
#2166 [20:46] <stickypixel> That would be something you would have to look up, but it might not be as cheap as you think.
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#2168 [20:46] <whyamisocold> like at least 2.5 ghz
#2169 [20:46] <stickypixel> Especially if you want to get a quad-core like the one you have now.
#2170 [20:47] <WhereIsMySpoon> whyamisocold: my 3570k i5 was about £130?
#2171 [20:47] <stickypixel> The requirement is 2.4 GHz.
#2172 [20:47] <WhereIsMySpoon> an i5 will last you a long while
#2173 [20:47] <whyamisocold> the most i will spend is $300
#2174 [20:47] <whyamisocold> i want a good one that would last me a long time
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#2176 [20:47] <stickypixel> You have more than plenty to spend on a processor.
#2177 [20:48] <stickypixel> Try looking around Newegg or Amazon.
#2178 [20:48] <WhereIsMySpoon> whyamisocold: £130-160 is more than enough for an i5
#2179 [20:48] <stickypixel> thats about 150 - 190 in USD
#2180 [20:48] <WhereIsMySpoon> £130 = $207
#2181 [20:48] <stickypixel> Damn, I'm way off.
#2182 [20:49] <whyamisocold> would it work for every computer though
#2183 [20:49] <WhereIsMySpoon> £160 = 256
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#2185 [20:49] <stickypixel> Thank you for clarification, though.
#2186 [20:50] <WhereIsMySpoon> :D
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#2188 [20:51] <stickypixel> Anyone listen to deadmau5?
#2189 [20:51] <WhereIsMySpoon> whyamisocold: http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Generation-i5-3570K-3-40GHz-Technology/dp/B007RUZKK6
#2190 [20:51] <WhereIsMySpoon> im off
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#2192 [20:51] <whyamisocold> damn... thats good
#2193 [20:52] <whyamisocold> thanks guys imma get that
#2194 [20:52] <stickypixel> Happy to help.
#2195 [20:52] <whyamisocold> ik where to get it for cheaper though
#2196 [20:52] <bakingmama24> It is not giving us the option to play demo after I hit "play demo". It only says "Buy Now#
#2197 [20:53] <stickypixel> Whatever the case may be. Good luck!
#2198 [20:53] <whyamisocold> http://www.everbest.on.ca/ver2/showProduct.php?id=4254
#2199 [20:53] <stickypixel> WhereIsMySpoon: Is the demo a time trial?
#2200 [20:53] <stickypixel> bakingmama21: The demo may be a trial.
#2201 [20:53] <stickypixel> Let me look
#2202 [20:53] <whyamisocold> my dad is one of the dealers for everbest.on.ca and its cheaper prices
#2203 [20:53] <bakingmama24> Yes but we've only been on 1 days and its 5 days
#2204 [20:54] <stickypixel> Someone else could've used your account.
#2205 [20:54] <stickypixel> Nor I can verify that.
#2206 [20:54] <bakingmama24> How?
#2207 [20:54] <stickypixel> Its possible, but I can't say that your account was hacked. I'm just saying it can happen.
#2208 [20:55] <bakingmama24> It would still have days left though wouldn't it?
#2209 [20:55] <stickypixel> But try deleting the .minecraft folder, and redownloading the launcher.
#2210 [20:55] <stickypixel> ?? win/.minecraft
#2211 [20:55] <VoxelHead> win/.minecraft: To get at Minecraft's locally stored files on Windows, press Win+R, and in the window that appears, type "%AppData%\.minecraft", and click OK.
#2212 [20:56] <bakingmama24> Ok I will. Thanks for the help,
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#2217 [20:59] <zapter123> how do you rechrieve a lost deleted single player server you deleted
#2218 [20:59] <DiskDaemon> zapter123: You restore it from a backup
#2219 [20:59] <zapter123> how
#2220 [20:59] <stickypixel> ?? ask/wtf
#2221 [20:59] <VoxelHead> ask/wtf: Please form your question in the form of a question.
#2222 [20:59] <DiskDaemon> zapter123: Well it helps for you to have taken a backup of it beforehand
#2223 [20:59] <zapter123> how do u do that
#2224 [21:00] <stickypixel> Restore from Recycling Bin.
#2225 [21:00] <stickypixel> Unless you emptied the recycle bin.
#2226 [21:00] <DiskDaemon> then you're screwed
#2227 [21:00] <zapter123> i was trying to delete another but accidently deleted my other on
#2228 [21:01] <stickypixel> Wait do you mean like a server on the server list? Or a server on your computer?
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#2230 [21:01] <stickypixel> It would be helpful to be more specific.
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#2232 [21:03] <bakingmama24> well, I deleted the launcher, logged out, logged back in and still when I click on play in demo it only gives me the option to Buy Now. Oh well!
#2233 [21:03] <stickypixel> Create a new account, that's all I got.
#2234 [21:03] <stickypixel> or contact Mojang
#2235 [21:03] <stickypixel> ?? accounts
#2236 [21:03] <VoxelHead> accounts: Account or payment issues cannot be resolved by the helpers in this channel, you may contact Mojang directly to resolve this issue by following the instructions at: http://www.minecraft.net/support/
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#2238 [21:04] <zapter123> ok how do u make a nether portal
#2239 [21:04] <stickypixel> 5x4 with Obsidian
#2240 [21:05] <stickypixel> (length x width)
#2241 [21:05] <DiskDaemon> zapter123: See http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Nether_Portal for instructions
#2242 [21:05] <zapter123> thanks guys
#2243 [21:05] <stickypixel> yw
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#2245 [21:06] <stickypixel> DiskDaemon: You may be a Disk, but you're a pretty cool CD.
#2246 [21:06] <whyamisocold> why does it say that my minecraft account is migrated?
#2247 [21:06] <stickypixel> Because all minecraft accounts are migrated to mojang accounts.
#2248 [21:06] <DiskDaemon> Note: CDs are Compact Discs
#2249 [21:06] <stickypixel> Meaning that you have to login with the email you used instead of the username.
#2250 [21:06] <nexor32> my mine craft says that i have a bad driver card and this is the 4th one i put in can anyone help me?
#2251 [21:06] <stickypixel> DiskDaemon: I meant DVD.
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#2253 [21:07] <DiskDaemon> nexor32: Sounds like you need to update your graphics drivers. What sort of system do you have there?
#2254 [21:07] <zapter123> how do u find bucket and how to make pick
#2255 [21:07] <DiskDaemon> ??> nexor32 win/dxdiag
#2256 [21:07] <nexor32> windows 7
#2257 [21:07] <VoxelHead> nexor32: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#2258 [21:07] <VoxelHead> nexor32: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#2259 [21:07] <DiskDaemon> zapter123: Search the minecraft wiki for those two items. The search field is at the top
#2260 [21:08] <nexor32> its looking through right now ill let you know if this helped thanks
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#2262 [21:09] <zapter123> im so mad
#2263 [21:09] <stickypixel> im so calm
#2264 [21:10] <nexor32> http://pastebin.com/e82pr0Ja
#2265 [21:10] <stickypixel> ??> whyamisocold mac/hosts
#2266 [21:10] <VoxelHead> whyamisocold: (mac/hosts) You may have a problem with your hosts file, which overrides DNS queries. Please follow the following directions:
#2267 [21:10] <VoxelHead> whyamisocold: (mac/hosts) From the finder toolbar, search for the following item: "/private/etc/hosts". Open that file in the text editor, and copy the contents onto Pastebin, and give us the resulting URL.
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#2269 [21:11] <DiskDaemon> nexor32: That's only a tiny amount of the information. Please paste all of it
#2270 [21:11] <nexor32> voxel is that what u needed to check for me?
#2271 [21:11] <nexor32> ok
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#2273 [21:12] <nexor32> http://pastebin.com/kAHc8Yq6
#2274 [21:12] <nexor32> i had to make a new one
#2275 [21:13] <nexor32> i got it all now
#2276 [21:13] <DiskDaemon> nexor32: Thanks, it looks like the most recent graphics driver for your graphics card can be found at http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/windows/legacy/Pages/legacy-radeonaiw-vista32.aspx
#2277 [21:14] <nexor32> ok just clicked on it
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#2280 [21:19] <nexor32> thanks it works now
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#2283 [21:27] <hookertan500> i get error each time i trye to start the game via browser and cant even download as it says the file is damaged, whe i started the game via browser i got an error log , what do i do?
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#2285 [21:27] <techno156> put the error log in pastebin
#2286 [21:27] <techno156> hi DiskDaemon
#2287 [21:27] <techno156> hi GreyVulpine
#2288 [21:27] <DiskDaemon> ??> hookertan500 mac/gatekeeper
#2289 [21:27] <VoxelHead> hookertan500: (mac/gatekeeper) Newer versions of OS X add new security measures which give scary warning messages for any programs not from the App store. To force your computer to allow you to play Minecraft, ctrl-click or right-click your Minecraft icon, and select Open.
#2290 [21:28] <hookertan500> ok ill true, but what with the error log?
#2291 [21:29] <hookertan500> trye
#2292 [21:29] <DiskDaemon> Don't worry about that error log for now
#2293 [21:30] <hookertan500> still doesent work
#2294 [21:31] <hookertan500> it says, file si damaged, move tot trash?
#2295 [21:31] <hookertan500> is
#2296 [21:31] <DiskDaemon> hookertan500: Further details on that can be found at...
#2297 [21:31] <DiskDaemon> ?? mac/gatekeeper/documentation
#2298 [21:31] <VoxelHead> mac/gatekeeper/documentation: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5290
#2299 [21:32] <hookertan500> but its not that, its doesent even says anything like that
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#2301 [21:33] <hookertan500> it just says the file is damaged
#2302 [21:33] <DiskDaemon> hookertan500: Read closer, the documentation says that too
#2303 [21:33] <lildrummerdrew> Woo, funtime
#2304 [21:33] <lildrummerdrew> Video Cards XD
#2305 [21:33] <lildrummerdrew> OpenGL. I know you've seen it a million times.
#2306 [21:34] <lildrummerdrew> Well, I gave up installing a new video card to fix it (for now) and looked into exactly what OpenGL is.
#2307 [21:34] <DiskDaemon> hookertan500: There are two solutions - either make gatekeeper more flexible, or just ctrl-click on the minecraft app and choose Open where you can then enable it to be run
#2308 [21:34] <hookertan500> ill trye again
#2309 [21:34] <lildrummerdrew> I wanted to know; anyone have any ideas as to how to upgrade OpenGL without updating your video card drivers?
#2310 [21:35] <DiskDaemon> hookertan500: The problem that you're having is one that we've seen all modern mac users have
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#2312 [21:35] <lildrummerdrew> Or any way to simulate/emulate any form of it to run minecraft?
#2313 [21:36] <DiskDaemon> lildrummerdrew: sure - http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Tutorials/Update_LWJGL
#2314 [21:36] <lildrummerdrew> Or I guess I'd like help updating drivers perhaps but it probably wouldn't do you much good.
#2315 [21:36] <lildrummerdrew> OHH hello
#2316 [21:36] <lildrummerdrew> *clicks Link*
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#2318 [21:37] <DiskDaemon> lildrummerdrew: What details can we get from you about the problem that you're having though?
#2319 [21:37] <hookertan500> ok, i have used mac for a long time, but never and this problem,, but i understand, im gonna seee if i work it out
#2320 [21:37] <DiskDaemon> ??> lildrummerdrew pastebin
#2321 [21:37] <VoxelHead> lildrummerdrew: (pastebin) Pastebin is a service run at http://www.pastebin.com/ which facilitates the sharing of information without flooding IRC channels. Paste your text there, click 'Submit', and give us the URL the site takes you to, and we can see what you have pasted.
#2322 [21:37] <lildrummerdrew> Disk: Super old computer, "Bad Video Cards" error.
#2323 [21:37] <lildrummerdrew> PS< I know to make a pastebin, a dxdiag, and all that, gimme a sec :P
#2324 [21:37] <DiskDaemon> lildrummerdrew: There's only one solution to that. Well, two
#2325 [21:38] <lildrummerdrew> k?
#2326 [21:38] <DiskDaemon> lildrummerdrew: Well, three. Use better hardware, attempt to update the graphics driver, or use a different graphics card
#2327 [21:38] <lildrummerdrew> heh, alrighty, well
#2328 [21:38] <lildrummerdrew> "Attempt to update graphics driver" is out for my main one.
#2329 [21:38] <lildrummerdrew> Using a different one, you'll need to help me with, but I DO have 4. Im' sure the ATI RAGE ICC will NOT work.
#2330 [21:39] <hookertan500> i got it working thx!!
#2331 [21:39] <lildrummerdrew> (ale)
#2332 [21:39] <lildrummerdrew> (almost sure**)
#2333 [21:39] <DiskDaemon> lildrummerdrew: Why is updating the graphics driver out of the question? That's the solution that works for 99% of the people having your problem
#2334 [21:39] <lildrummerdrew> Well.. I'll tell you, this computer's SUPER old.
#2335 [21:39] <DiskDaemon> hookertan500: you're welcome
#2336 [21:39] <DiskDaemon> how old?
#2337 [21:39] <DiskDaemon> ??> lildrummerdrew win/dxdiag
#2338 [21:39] <VoxelHead> lildrummerdrew: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#2339 [21:39] <VoxelHead> lildrummerdrew: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
#2340 [21:39] <lildrummerdrew> I tried updating it with a cd I ripped from a link from an email directly from the company.
#2341 [21:39] <lildrummerdrew> (I know how to do one I'll do it in a moment >_>)
#2342 [21:40] <DiskDaemon> lildrummerdrew: Get those system specs from dxdiag, and our experts here will advise you on you best course of action
#2343 [21:40] <lildrummerdrew> FYI: I used to volunteer here, summer of '10
#2344 [21:40] <lildrummerdrew> Heh, experts, "volunteers" mister ;)
#2345 [21:40] <lildrummerdrew> Alrighty, if you must!
#2346 [21:40] <lildrummerdrew> however: I prefer pastie.org lol
#2347 [21:40] <DiskDaemon> pick your poison :)
#2348 [21:41] <lildrummerdrew> Yeah, Grey couldn't fix this ol' computer. lul
#2349 [21:41] <lildrummerdrew> And let me tell ya, this dxdiag is slowwwww
#2350 [21:41] <DiskDaemon> Then this upcoming factoid is the best information for you
#2351 [21:41] <DiskDaemon> ?? minspecs
#2352 [21:41] <VoxelHead> minspecs: There is no software magic that can make your hardware meet the minimum specifications that are required by the game.
#2353 [21:41] <lildrummerdrew> ^heh, ik ik
#2354 [21:42] <lildrummerdrew> To prove I'm a regular, I still know how to work the bots lol
#2355 [21:42] * lildrummerdrew pokes AuBot
#2355 [21:42] <lildrummerdrew> ^
#2356 [21:42] <lildrummerdrew> XD
#2357 [21:42] <lildrummerdrew> !paid lildrummerdrew
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#2359 [21:43] <DiskDaemon> A lot has changed here :p
#2360 [21:43] <lildrummerdrew> youch Au, I'll keep that in mind.
#2361 [21:43] <lildrummerdrew> !ping 127.0.0.1:25565
#2362 [21:43] <lildrummerdrew> lul you sure about that?
#2363 [21:43] <DiskDaemon> Change happens, it's unavoidable
#2364 [21:43] <lildrummerdrew> oh was Ping a WugBot thing?
#2365 [21:43] <DiskDaemon> inevitable even
#2366 [21:43] <lildrummerdrew> Maybe GreyBot?
#2367 [21:43] <NTG1299> (For the v1.2.3 update XBox 360) Will villagers be able to spawn in a v1.8.2 world - generated village? Is mid - January a possible date?
#2368 [21:43] <lildrummerdrew> And sorry :P
#2369 [21:44] <DiskDaemon> NTG1299: Unknown - contact the minecraft xbox forum for further details
#2370 [21:44] * lildrummerdrew is still saving her dxdiag
#2370 [21:44] * lildrummerdrew hugs GreyBot
#2370 [21:44] <DiskDaemon> NTG1299: see http://www.minecraftforum.net/forum/145-minecraft-xbox-360-edition/
#2371 [21:44] <lildrummerdrew> Heh, GreyBot used to attack people
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#2373 [21:45] <lildrummerdrew> ??< index
#2374 [21:45] <lildrummerdrew> ah, better
#2375 [21:45] <lildrummerdrew> ??< ask/wtf
#2376 [21:45] <lildrummerdrew> lol sounds interesting
#2377 [21:46] <DiskDaemon> lildrummerdrew: Please go to ##voxelhead to explore things with the bot
#2378 [21:46] <lildrummerdrew> Grr :P might later. Just throwing one out there.
#2379 [21:46] <lildrummerdrew> Oooh, dxdiag saved.
#2380 [21:47] <lildrummerdrew> FYI: I only have 1 out of 4 extra video cards plugged in atm, even thuogh it probably won't show up.
#2381 [21:47] <lildrummerdrew> http://pastie.org/5451024
#2382 [21:47] <DiskDaemon> Sorry to say, but it looks like minesweeper might be a push for that old dog, let alone minecraft
#2383 [21:48] <DiskDaemon> The memory is nearly 1/2 of what Minecraft's minumum specs require too
#2384 [21:48] <lildrummerdrew> It's played before, I know she can do it
#2385 [21:48] <DiskDaemon> http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/325948-what-are-the-system-requirements-
#2386 [21:48] <lildrummerdrew> Just recently had a hard drive failure, dude, I know it ran beforeit.
#2387 [21:48] <DiskDaemon> Bring on time travel
#2388 [21:49] <lildrummerdrew> I also memorized the specs a long time ago XD
#2389 [21:49] <lildrummerdrew> But yeah, let's do this then?
#2390 [21:49] <lildrummerdrew> Oh, btw, remember, updating the main graphics card is 98.6% not gonna work.
#2391 [21:49] <DiskDaemon> Sorry, not me. I just don't have the patience for that sort of work right now
#2392 [21:49] <lildrummerdrew> (Pretty "normal" XD)
#2393 [21:49] <lildrummerdrew> ohh.
#2394 [21:49] <lildrummerdrew> >_<
#2395 [21:50] <lildrummerdrew> Well, I'll look into that other thing then.
#2396 [21:52] <lildrummerdrew> The problem with the LWJGL thing is that I don't exactly have all the files yet since Minecraft won't really start ._.
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#2399 [21:53] <jlord123> i have an bad video driver card error and i don't have any updates can you help
#2400 [21:54] <DiskDaemon> ??> jlord123 win/dxdiag
#2401 [21:54] <VoxelHead> jlord123: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
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#2403 [21:54] <VoxelHead> jlord123: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it into the IRC channel.
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#2405 [21:54] <lildrummerdrew> ??> jlord123 pastebin
#2406 [21:54] <VoxelHead> jlord123: (pastebin) Pastebin is a service run at http://www.pastebin.com/ which facilitates the sharing of information without flooding IRC channels. Paste your text there, click 'Submit', and give us the URL the site takes you to, and we can see what you have pasted.
#2407 [21:54] <DiskDaemon> ninja'd
#2408 [21:54] <lildrummerdrew> oh wait it's in there now?
#2409 [21:54] <lildrummerdrew> wow, really has been a while.
#2410 [21:55] <lildrummerdrew> And I was trying to add onto you in case you didn't say it first lol
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#2412 [21:56] <lildrummerdrew> Well um.
#2413 [21:56] <lildrummerdrew> Hm.
#2414 [21:56] <techno156> hm?
#2415 [21:56] <lildrummerdrew> Sure you doin't even wanna try updating some drivers or anything? Don't wanna look into that other thing I was talkin' abuot?
#2416 [21:56] <lildrummerdrew> about*
#2417 [21:56] <lildrummerdrew> **Talking to DiskDaemon
#2418 [21:57] <DiskDaemon> Nope - sorry but I don't get involved when the computer is virtually guaranteed to fail at success
#2419 [21:57] <lildrummerdrew> See I'm still confused as to IF you can run a later version of OpenGL on OpenGL 1.1
#2420 [21:57] <lildrummerdrew> Like, even 2.0 would do:
#2421 [21:58] <lildrummerdrew> I heard about emulators/simulators, dunno exactly what all you can do.
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#2424 [22:01] <lildrummerdrew> Well anyways have funnn
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#2429 [22:15] <boogagoal1> hello
#2430 [22:15] <boogagoal1> I am having a really rough time with hackers on my server
#2431 [22:15] <DiskDaemon> what sort of server is it?
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#2434 [22:19] <boogagoal1> bukkit
#2435 [22:19] <DiskDaemon> Then the #bukkit channel should have some plugin solutions to help you deal with that
#2436 [22:19] <boogagoal1> can u redirect?
#2437 [22:20] <DiskDaemon> no
#2438 [22:20] <DiskDaemon> You have to take yourself there
#2439 [22:20] <DiskDaemon> /join #bukkit
#2440 [22:20] <SirCmpwn> the world would be a better place without webchat
#2441 [22:20] <DiskDaemon> I've known of some channels that autoban mibbit clients :)
#2442 [22:21] <SirCmpwn> I do so on all of the channels I run
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#2444 [22:23] <Andrio> ?
#2445 [22:23] <DiskDaemon> Well I guess that haelf of the job of a redirect could be done, by kicking the person while providing instructions for thm to connect themself to the other channel
#2446 [22:24] <SirCmpwn> DiskDaemon: at least on freenode, you can set bans with redirects
#2447 [22:24] <SirCmpwn> nick!user@host$#redirect
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#2457 [22:40] <KennyCT> I can't get minecraft to work. When I try to download and error message pops up.... "bad video card driver". Any ideas how to fix this?
#2458 [22:41] <Andrio> Update your driver.
#2459 [22:41] <KennyCT> how?
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#2461 [22:42] <Andrio> Normally the video card manufacturer's website will have the latest drivers available somewhere.
#2462 [22:42] <KennyCT> I don't know where my video card driver is
#2463 [22:43] <KennyCT> I don't even know what that is
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#2466 [22:45] <KennyCT> what is a video card?
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#2469 [22:48] <Tommy4464> Anyone knows how to fix Open GL problem that does not allow to run the game. My computer has the latest video drivers.
#2470 [22:48] <TD9000_> I can not get the game to download
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#2472 [22:50] <Tommy4464> Neither can I . I tried using web client but ran into the video card warning and still cannot run. Contacted Mojang via Paypal but they are unresponsive.
#2473 [22:50] <TD9000_> When I click on the download icon, it asks if I want to upgrade.
#2474 [22:51] <KennyCT> I don't get that message. I click on download and it says "run or cancel"
#2475 [22:51] <TD9000_> Yes or no only yeilds the same result. It runs like it is downloading then stops and will not go any further
#2476 [22:52] <TD9000_> Or it says fatal error
#2477 [22:52] <Tommy4464> Even though kids love the game it seems it is full of glitches. Mojang issued two recent releases within few days apart. They proudly say they have sold over 8 million copies of the game and seem to care less about supporting their customers.
#2478 [22:53] <TD9000_> I've tried to get a refund, but it looks like that isn't happening. Is there any tech support to help me figure out what to do?
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#2480 [22:53] <GreyVulpine> Yes.
#2481 [22:53] <GreyVulpine> Windows?
#2482 [22:54] <GreyVulpine> Mac?
#2483 [22:54] <GreyVulpine> Linux?
#2484 [22:54] <Tommy4464> Windows XP
#2485 [22:54] <GreyVulpine> Try using a different browser, Tommy4464.
#2486 [22:54] <GreyVulpine> I recommend firefox or chrome
#2487 [22:54] <GreyVulpine> For Tommy4464, windows?
#2488 [22:54] <Tommy4464> I used chrome, no Microsoft :>
#2489 [22:54] <GreyVulpine> er, wrong person
#2490 [22:55] <KennyCT> I use firefox and internet explore. same error on both for windows
#2491 [22:55] <GreyVulpine> KennyCT - Yours is a video card error, right?
#2492 [22:55] <KennyCT> yes, says video card error, can't find openGL
#2493 [22:55] <Tommy4464> Same in my case
#2494 [22:56] <GreyVulpine> Right. okay.
#2495 [22:56] <GreyVulpine> Both of you. I want you to follow my instructions carefully, this will give me a dxdiag report, that will show me exactly what video card is on your computer, so that I can instruct you on how to update it
#2496 [22:56] <KennyCT> ok
#2497 [22:56] <GreyVulpine> On your keyboard, is a windows logo key, between the ctrl and alt keys. Hit that and the R key at the same time.
#2498 [22:57] <GreyVulpine> This will bring up the Run command. Type in: dxdiag and press enter
#2499 [22:57] <GreyVulpine> When the dxdiag window opens, press "Save all information" in the lower right. Save it as a txt on your desktop
#2500 [22:57] <GreyVulpine> Open up the dxdiag txt that you just saved on your desktop. Copy everything inside. Go to http://www.pastebin.com
#2501 [22:58] <GreyVulpine> In the text box below "Create new paste", click on it, and paste your text there. Then press the submit button. Next, give me the website address in your browser's address bar
#2502 [23:00] <KennyCT> http://pastebin.com/Q587HTSA
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#2505 [23:01] <GreyVulpine> Alright then. Looks like a pretty old computer with a gig of RAM, and an integrated Intel video card...
#2506 [23:02] <GreyVulpine> I can have you update the video card drivers, but I'm pretty sure it won't do a whole lot of good. Option Two, which works more often than not, is to modify Minecraft to launch with reduced RAM arguments. This will take a few minutes to set up on your end.
#2507 [23:02] <GreyVulpine> KennyCT - Could you please download: https://s3.amazonaws.com/MinecraftDownload/launcher/minecraft.jar
#2508 [23:02] <GreyVulpine> Save it in a new folder on your desktop
#2509 [23:03] <GreyVulpine> Tell me when you've got this, additional steps will follow
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#2511 [23:04] <KennyCT> ok saved to desktop
#2512 [23:05] <GreyVulpine> Okay, in the same place, right click (not on the file), and choose New -> Text document
#2513 [23:05] <GreyVulpine> Doesn't matter what the file name is right now, you'll change it later
#2514 [23:05] <GreyVulpine> Open up the text file. Inside, paste in: java -Xmx256M -Xms256M -cp minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
#2515 [23:05] <KennyCT> in what place?
#2516 [23:06] <GreyVulpine> Hmm?
#2517 [23:06] <KennyCT> where do I right click?
#2518 [23:06] <GreyVulpine> Did you save minecraft.jar on your desktop, or in a folder inside your desktop?
#2519 [23:07] <KennyCT> oh I did that wrong
#2520 [23:07] <SirCmpwn> wow, that's a crappy computer
#2521 [23:08] <GreyVulpine> I've seen worse.
#2522 [23:08] <SirCmpwn> even if he does get minecraft working, it's not exactly going to zip along
#2523 [23:08] <KennyCT> I saved to desktop. How do I save to folder?
#2524 [23:08] <GreyVulpine> Right click on your desktop. Choose New -> New Folder
#2525 [23:08] <GreyVulpine> And just click-drag the minecraft file over to the folder
#2526 [23:09] <KennyCT> ok got it
#2527 [23:09] <GreyVulpine> When you've moved the minecraft file over. Open the folder. Right click inside the folder. Choose New -> New text document
#2528 [23:09] <SirCmpwn> GreyVulpine: what is your endgame? This sounds odd
#2529 [23:09] <GreyVulpine> Open the text document up.
#2530 [23:09] <GreyVulpine> Batch file.
#2531 [23:10] <GreyVulpine> java -Xmx256M -Xms256M -cp minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame
#2532 [23:10] <SirCmpwn> easier way
#2533 [23:10] <SirCmpwn> KennyCT: Windows key+R, type "cmd", press enter
#2534 [23:10] <GreyVulpine> It's alright. This way is easier to follow
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#2536 [23:10] <SirCmpwn> you really think making a batch script is faster and easier than just pasting a command in cmd?
#2537 [23:10] <GreyVulpine> Because he'll need to launch minecraft via .bat file whenever he wants to run minecraft?
#2538 [23:10] <Tommy4464> I lost my thread
#2539 [23:11] <SirCmpwn> wait, why will he need to do that?
#2540 [23:11] <GreyVulpine> Otherwise, he'll need to paste in a command every time he wants to run minecraft
#2541 [23:11] <SirCmpwn> can he not just run the launcher?
#2542 [23:11] <GreyVulpine> No.
#2543 [23:11] <SirCmpwn> o_O
#2544 [23:11] <GreyVulpine> The launcher runs automatically with -Xms512M -Xmx1024M
#2545 [23:11] <KennyCT> ok I pasted that in the file.
#2546 [23:11] <GreyVulpine> He has a TOTAL of 1 gig of RAM, with an integrated intel video card, which leeches RAM
#2547 [23:12] <GreyVulpine> See the problem?
#2548 [23:12] <SirCmpwn> KennyCT: click this: http://ge.tt/api/1/files/4kFeNYS/0/blob?download
#2549 [23:12] <SirCmpwn> KennyCT: double click the downloaded file.
#2550 [23:12] <Tommy4464> Grey vulpine, my video card info is on Pastebin.com/6nCFgyKL
#2551 [23:12] <SirCmpwn> KennyCT: you may have to move the file to the same location as the launcher you downloaded a moment ago
#2552 [23:13] <GreyVulpine> That's great, SirCmpwn, if he's got minecraft.jar in the same place where he downloads the .bat file to
#2553 [23:13] <SirCmpwn> GreyVulpine: see my last.
#2554 [23:13] <GreyVulpine> If it isn't, the bat file will fail
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#2556 [23:13] * GreyVulpine sighs and nods
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#2557 [23:14] <KennyCT> I opened a new file & copy & pasted java -Xmx256M -Xms256M -cp minecraft.jar net.minecraft.LauncherFrame. Now what do I do? It's just a notepad doc.
#2558 [23:14] <GreyVulpine> KennyCT - Go up to File -> save as.
#2559 [23:14] <GreyVulpine> In the filename, type in: "launch.bat" with quotes
#2560 [23:14] <SirCmpwn> this is the most steps to a simple task I've ever seen :(
#2561 [23:14] <GreyVulpine> SirCmpwn - I tend to oversimplify, because you never know..
#2562 [23:15] <KennyCT> ok.. next?!!
#2563 [23:15] <GreyVulpine> Stick around here for a couple years... then we can talk about "Most steps"
#2564 [23:15] <SirCmpwn> GreyVulpine: trying to get someone to write a batch script in notepad is /not/ oversimplified
#2565 [23:15] <GreyVulpine> KennyCT - Next, close the text file. Double click on the launch.bat file you just made
#2566 [23:15] <GreyVulpine> SirCmpwn - Most foolproof way to doing it.
#2567 [23:15] <GreyVulpine> SirCmpwn - I never assume any level of computer competancy here.
#2568 [23:16] <SirCmpwn> you could prepare a file like I did a moment ago
#2569 [23:16] <SirCmpwn> he proved competent enough to download the launcher
#2570 [23:16] <KennyCT> ok
#2571 [23:16] <GreyVulpine> KennyCT - Is the launcher running now?
#2572 [23:17] <KennyCT> now it is! will I have to do this everytime I wanna play minecraft?!
#2573 [23:17] <GreyVulpine> SirCmpwn - I'm not going to spar with you on how I word my instructions. If you would like to help out here, feel free.
#2574 [23:17] <GreyVulpine> KennyCT - Yes
#2575 [23:17] * SirCmpwn shrugs
#2575 [23:17] <KennyCT> Or can I just click on the file I just created to get to it?!
#2576 [23:17] <GreyVulpine> SirCmpwn - I have many many years of tech support under my belt. Assuming anything is the first step to frustration and failure.
#2577 [23:17] <GreyVulpine> KennyCT - Yes, just clicking on launch.bat
#2578 [23:18] <SirCmpwn> I wish batch scripts were as flexible as bash scripts
#2579 [23:18] <GreyVulpine> I wish.
#2580 [23:18] <SirCmpwn> could make a script that would download the latest launcher, set all the minecraft settings to low quality...
#2581 [23:18] <SirCmpwn> but no.
#2582 [23:18] <GreyVulpine> Windows. What do you expect?
#2583 [23:18] <SirCmpwn> indeed.
#2584 [23:19] <KennyCT> oh ok. Thank you so muck Greyvulpine! You've been a BIG BIG help! my son will be so excited. No matter what anyone else said, the steps worked and it was TOTALLY worth it!!!
#2585 [23:19] <SirCmpwn> I might prepare a little program to do that, though, would be a fun little exercise
#2586 [23:19] * GreyVulpine tips hat
#2586 [23:19] <SirCmpwn> I do have a custom launcher prepared
#2587 [23:19] <GreyVulpine> I can't really endorse non-official launchers here, but if you'd like to try it out...
#2588 [23:20] <SirCmpwn> well, I have a fully functional (private) one
#2589 [23:20] <SirCmpwn> I could just use it as the basis for a low-memory launcher
#2590 [23:20] <GreyVulpine> Just as long as people know it's non-official, and you're not bundling the actual minecraft files for download
#2591 [23:20] <GreyVulpine> I can't see any problem with it.
#2592 [23:20] <SirCmpwn> naw, it downloads the latest same as the official launcher
#2593 [23:20] <Tommy4464> Grey vulpine, I missed the show. I have a windows Xp pc with 1 GB of RAM and Intel 945 on board video. Can I run minecraft?
#2594 [23:21] <GreyVulpine> It'll run. Not well, but it'll run
#2595 [23:21] <SirCmpwn> Tommy4464: not easily.
#2596 [23:21] <Tommy4464> Will 2 GB make it much better?
#2597 [23:21] <GreyVulpine> Low mem instructions: http://pastebin.com/1knuj6Zh
#2598 [23:22] <SirCmpwn> probably not, Tommy4464
#2599 [23:22] <GreyVulpine> Try following these.
#2600 [23:22] <KennyCT> thanks for your help! goodnight!
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#2606 [23:35] <SirCmpwn> anyone got a good idea of how much memory to give java, given a total amount of memory on the system?
#2607 [23:38] <SirCmpwn> I took a quarter of total memory and capped it at 4 GB
#2608 [23:40] * GreyVulpine points: http://pastebin.com/jY7BuwFE
#2608 [23:40] <SirCmpwn> ._.
#2609 [23:40] <GreyVulpine> How about: http://pastebin.com/tA8X5Pmh
#2610 [23:41] <GreyVulpine> Or http://pastebin.com/sKWnhAZL
#2611 [23:41] <SirCmpwn> how about if it's less than 512 MB, I bump it to 3/4 of available memory?
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#2613 [23:41] <SirCmpwn> absolute worst case
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#2615 [23:41] <GreyVulpine> Don't really think it's playable under 512M
#2616 [23:41] <SirCmpwn> probably not
#2617 [23:41] <SirCmpwn> maybe just a message saying "you can't run minecraft on this bad of a computer"
#2618 [23:42] <GreyVulpine> Not really a memory limitation issue. All three of those dxdiags have video cards that will just absolutely not support minecraft's OpenGL standard
#2619 [23:42] <GreyVulpine> Though memory is a big issue as well.
#2620 [23:42] <SirCmpwn> maybe I could add more checks for things like opengl version
#2621 [23:43] <GreyVulpine> It'd be a good start.
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#2623 [23:44] <GreyVulpine> Then people get into HD texture packs, and multiple mods, and.. also computers with multiple video cards, and multiple versions of windows that have multiple levesl of service packs.
#2624 [23:45] <GreyVulpine> Can't forget Windows 8's Metro UI, which screws up a lot of stuff. Or custom themes from Vista on up that completely screw with Minecraft from launching
#2625 [23:45] <GreyVulpine> There are so.. so many things to check for.
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#2627 [23:50] <SirCmpwn> anyone know a command-line way to get all that dxdaig info
#2628 [23:51] <GreyVulpine> dxdiag /t will output to a file
#2629 [23:53] <SirCmpwn> ._.
#2630 [23:53] <SirCmpwn> no errors, but where did the file go?
#2631 [23:54] <GreyVulpine> Erm, in the directory that you did dxdiag in?
#2632 [23:55] <SirCmpwn> whelp, it isn't there
#2633 [23:55] <GreyVulpine> Also, dxdiag /t filename
#2634 [23:55] <SirCmpwn> yes, yes
#2635 [23:55] <SirCmpwn> "dxdiag /t dxdiag.txt"
#2636 [23:55] * GreyVulpine blinks
#2636 [23:56] <SirCmpwn> no output at the console, either
#2637 [23:56] <GreyVulpine> Throw in absolute path?
#2638 [23:56] <SirCmpwn> I tried that, too
#2639 [23:56] <GreyVulpine> Erm, that should be working..
#2640 [23:57] <SirCmpwn> solved
#2641 [23:57] <SirCmpwn> no space between /t and output file name
#2642 [23:57] <SirCmpwn> wat
#2643 [23:57] <GreyVulpine> wait, what?
#2644 [23:57] <SirCmpwn> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-SG/vcgeneral/thread/019d7c3f-563f-4d90-a480-cc86538dd62d
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#2646 [23:57] * GreyVulpine facepalms
#2646 [23:57] <SirCmpwn> woo windows
#2647 [23:58] <GreyVulpine> Alright.. I'm.. going to bed, Too tired.
#2648 [23:59] <SirCmpwn> hooray, now it doesn't work if I launch it programatically