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#3 [00:10] <newber> i cant get my minecraft skins to work, i upload them wait a sec launch minecraft and nothing has changed when i enter the world
#4 [00:11] <newber> anybody have any ideas?
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#6 [00:25] <PaladinPete> is there an irc channel for mcedit?
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#8 [00:32] <DopeGhoti> PaladinPete: did you try #mcedit ?
#9 [00:33] <PaladinPete> empty channel
#10 [00:33] <PaladinPete> that's why
#11 [00:33] <PaladinPete> i was asking :P
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#14 [00:50] <Elystus> server
#15 [00:51] <Elystus> >_>
#16 [00:53] <TheNoodle> wat
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#26 [02:08] <tfricks> how goes it
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#44 [03:37] <Miner10> hi, can some help me? i cant get normal mode on minecraft just hardcore and survival
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#46 [03:43] <Miner10> hi, can some help me? i cant get normal difficulty on minecraft just hardcore and survival
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#48 [03:47] <Miner10> hi, can some help me? i cant get normal difficulty on minecraft just hardcore and survival!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!
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#65 [05:20] <azayakachan> My skin does not appear as the skin i uploaded to me, but it does to others who see me in gameplay
#66 [05:20] <Calinou> try restarting the game
#67 [05:21] <azayakachan> did that many times
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#97 [08:01] <Lutzee> I think this is enough proof https://twitter.com/mollstam/status/281381741179064321 , who wants to do the honors? :P
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#104 [08:15] <manolitico> @sugoi, now checked; thanks to you; it won't freezes anymore minecraft
#105 [08:15] <lj> hi, i have a question about my minecraft game.....when I am playing on creative mode and i go in to my inventory it works fine, but then when i try to get out of my inventory, minecraft crashes, what can i do to make this stop?
#106 [08:16] <manolitico> lj, do you have it modded?
#107 [08:16] <lj> whats that?
#108 [08:16] <manolitico> i supposed not
#109 [08:16] <lj> sorry im new to this
#110 [08:16] <manolitico> do you have any texture pack?
#111 [08:17] <lj> no i dont think so
#112 [08:17] <lj> should i have one
#113 [08:17] <manolitico> from when does it happen?
#114 [08:18] <lj> the first time i go into my inventory and try to get out of it
#115 [08:18] <manolitico> where are you from?
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#117 [08:19] <lj> does this concern minecraft?
#118 [08:19] <manolitico> is for understanding you better
#119 [08:19] <manolitico> if yoou know spanish
#120 [08:19] <manolitico> what java do you use?
#121 [08:20] <lj> welll im from california
#122 [08:20] <manolitico> what java do you use?
#123 [08:20] <manolitico> oracle java? openjdk?
#124 [08:21] <lj> no one has ever told me
#125 [08:21] <manolitico> do you use windows?
#126 [08:21] <lj> no i use mac
#127 [08:22] <manolitico> open a terminal
#128 [08:22] <lj> i am sorry i have to go
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#130 [08:22] <manolitico> ok
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#136 [08:45] <mollstam> DiskDaemon: <3
#137 [08:47] * DiskDaemon going for the easy karma :)
#137 [08:47] <DiskDaemon> We'll have to get someone to make it more permanent though
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#139 [08:57] <Snowman> DiskDaemon, you and Scott are the only OPs who can't set flags :P
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#141 [08:58] <Snowman> Also, the flag list of this channel is quite a mess :P
#142 [08:58] <DiskDaemon> That's a shame - hopefully someone will get around to doing something about that at some stage
#143 [08:59] <Snowman> I cleaned up the one in #minecraft quite a while ago, back when it was a mess as well
#144 [09:00] <Snowman> Made some standards for different ranks
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#146 [09:01] <Snowman> +AVi for voiced, +AOViortv for ops, +AOfiortv for SOPs and +AFORVfiorstv for founders
#147 [09:01] <Snowman> For some reason I can't set the +V flag on myself...
#148 [09:01] <Snowman> Which is weird...
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#150 [09:02] <Santa> You people amuse me
#151 [09:03] <Santa> Though what's more interesting is that we have a template called 'TheNytangel'
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#153 [09:06] <Santa> You know, then there's that.
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#160 [09:47] <manolitico_> @sugoi; are you here?
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#162 [09:58] <manolitico_> @sugoi http://ubuntuone.com/7bXpNP4o7X962SZ3vnYWga
#163 [09:58] <manolitico_> @sugoi http://ubuntuone.com/28gUW4HD4jSHUmBThh5GSj
#164 [09:58] <manolitico_> it continues freezing
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#190 [11:17] <Salah14> hi
#191 [11:17] <Salah14> hallo
#192 [11:17] <Salah14> könnt ihr deutsch ?
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#194 [11:17] <Salah14> german ?
#195 [11:18] <Salah14> german ?
#196 [11:18] <Tigger> English
#197 [11:18] <Salah14> ou
#198 [11:18] <Salah14> ee
#199 [11:18] <Salah14> i baught monecraft on xbox
#200 [11:19] * Gone_Ralex is now known as Lord_Ralex
#201 [11:19] <Salah14> but i don't buy minecraft on pc
#202 [11:19] <Salah14> can i have minecraft for pc ?
#203 [11:19] <Morrolan> Die XBox und die PC Version haben nicht viel miteinenander zu tun.
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#205 [11:20] <Morrolan> (Die xBox version wird nicht 'mal von Mojang entwickelt.)
#206 [11:20] <Morrolan> Also, nein, wirst es für den PC nochmal kaufen müssen.
#207 [11:20] <Salah14> o manno
#208 [11:20] <William> Why can't I connect to my friends server
#209 [11:21] <Morrolan> William - Do you think you can be a bit more specific?
#210 [11:21] <Morrolan> William - Knowing what IP you're trying to connect to might help. Also, the error message.
#211 [11:21] <William> connection refused:connect
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#213 [11:22] <Morrolan> Salah14 - Die PC Version hat viele Features die die XBox Version nicht hat, von daher würde es sich (wenn dein Computer dann leistungsfähig genug ist) durchaus lohnen, die PC Version zu kaufen.
#214 [11:22] <Morrolan> William - Did your friend properly forward the necessary ports?
#215 [11:23] <William> And recently the ip has changed, it used to be longer and now at the beggining of the ip it starts with four 0's
#216 [11:23] <Morrolan> Err, an IP won't start with 0s.
#217 [11:24] <William> Both our ips start with 0
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#219 [11:24] <William> why is this and how can i solve this problem?
#220 [11:25] <Morrolan> Your external IP is 176.24.46.35, that doesn't start with a 0.
#221 [11:25] <Morrolan> What is the IP in question, which is starting with a 0?
#222 [11:25] <William> [16:18:40] William Downe: 0.0.0.0:49926
#223 [11:26] <William> I am using skype sorry
#224 [11:27] <Morrolan> That is not a valid IP address. Such an IP might show up when a computer isn't connected to a network, for example.
#225 [11:27] <William> for example what?
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#227 [11:28] <Morrolan> For example no ethernet cable being plugged in.
#228 [11:28] <Morrolan> Also see Microsoft's support article on possible causes: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/822123
#229 [11:29] <Morrolan> Maybe your friend just has two network cards, and one isn't connected to anywhere. In this case he should give you the IP address of the other network adapter.
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#231 [11:29] <Morrolan> Well, unless you're in the same network, he should give you his external address anyway, that one isn't listed in 'ipconfig'.
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#236 [11:41] <Jhwarby> Anyone know what this means?: [Server] INFO list
#237 [11:41] <Jhwarby> It comes up like every 10 seconds
#238 [11:41] <Necrodoom> multicraft
#239 [11:41] <Jhwarby> And it's annoying.
#240 [11:41] <Jhwarby> How do I stop it?
#241 [11:41] <Necrodoom> setting, i think
#242 [11:42] <Jhwarby> Where are the settings?
#243 [11:42] <Jhwarby> I've l,ooked.
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#245 [11:42] <Necrodoom> well, never used multicraft
#246 [11:43] <Necrodoom> so i dont know exact setting
#247 [11:43] <Jhwarby> Ok
#248 [11:43] <Necrodoom> IMO, just get rid of shit like that
#249 [11:43] <Jhwarby> I'll ask the guys who host my server.
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#268 [12:33] <PaladinPete> hmm...how would i check to see if someone can connect to my server via the external IP?
#269 [12:35] * Contex|Away is now known as Contex
#270 [12:35] <DopeGhoti> PaladinPete: use !check <your server address>
#271 [12:35] <FLHerne> PaladinPete: There's a bot thing on this IRC
#272 [12:35] <PaladinPete> !check 24.188.48.64
#273 [12:36] <PaladinPete> omg 1582ms?! lmfao why so high?
#274 [12:36] <FLHerne> PaladinPete: Where's the server relative to you?
#275 [12:36] <Necrodoom> seen worse on earlier beta versions on minecraft, heh
#276 [12:36] <PaladinPete> on my laptop that i'm using right now
#277 [12:36] <Necrodoom> i remember pings like 30k
#278 [12:36] <Necrodoom> oh, wierd
#279 [12:37] <PaladinPete> i'm using the vanilla server, not craftbukkit
#280 [12:37] <PaladinPete> but i have a good amount of mods running on it
#281 [12:37] <FLHerne> PaladinPete: Ah, I'm being stupid. Anyone know where the bot's hosted?
#282 [12:37] <Necrodoom> ?? mods
#283 [12:37] <VoxelHead> mods: This channel is not a venue for mod support, or support for modded clients or servers. As it is impossible for anybody to know every combination of mods out there, this channel does not assist with unofficial third-party modded content.
#284 [12:37] <VoxelHead> mods: For single player mods, contact the mod's creator or try http://tiny.cc/modinstall for general installation instructions. For bukkit help, use #bukkit; you can also search Google for a mod's installation instructions.
#285 [12:37] <PaladinPete> i wasn't asking for mod support Necrodoom lol
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#287 [12:37] <DopeGhoti> even so, it could just be the bot being slow
#288 [12:37] <FLHerne> The bot might well be on another continent, which would explain the ping :P
#289 [12:37] <PaladinPete> lol yeah
#290 [12:37] <DopeGhoti> the point is, the server is running and accessible.
#291 [12:37] <PaladinPete> i was thinking that too
#292 [12:38] <Necrodoom> PaladinPete: test ping on unmodded first
#293 [12:38] <PaladinPete> oh im not too worried about the ping
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#295 [12:38] <PaladinPete> it's just my one friend was able to connect to my server via external ping
#296 [12:38] <PaladinPete> so i thought i didn't forward the port correctly or something
#297 [12:38] <PaladinPete> but i guess i did
#298 [12:38] <DopeGhoti> seems so
#299 [12:39] <PaladinPete> it's just my one friend was unable^ to connect to my server via external ping
#300 [12:39] <FLHerne> I know I asked a few weeks ago, but is there a way to increase the login timeout?
#301 [12:39] * FLHerne is trying to misuse his RasPi again
#301 [12:39] <PaladinPete> FLHerne, i didn't even know you could
#302 [12:39] <PaladinPete> lol
#303 [12:39] <FLHerne> PaladinPete: I don't know if you can :P
#304 [12:40] <FLHerne> It almost works, just times out about 70% of the time :-/
#305 [12:40] <PaladinPete> well, to test my server one step further....can someone just enter my external ip in the MP menu of minecraft to see if the server shows that it's connectable?
#306 [12:40] <PaladinPete> that's all i really wanted to test
#307 [12:42] <PaladinPete> What was this in reference to? --> "[Wednesday 12:39:35]18<26FLHerne> It almost works, just times out about 70% of the time :-/"
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#309 [12:44] <jaxblonk> two things, A: It wont update and B: why dont you use discover card?
#310 [12:44] <FLHerne> PaladinPete: Trying to run a Minecraft server on a 900MHz ARM6 device :P
#311 [12:44] <FLHerne> Not your server, which probably has far more practical hardware :D
#312 [12:45] <jaxblonk> Can y'all add the payment in discover?
#313 [12:45] <Lutzee> jaxblonk we are not mojang, we are only community support
#314 [12:47] <jaxblonk> ... where can i get hold of mojang then, and any tips on updating, it wont...
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#316 [12:51] <R> hello
#317 [12:51] <R> i need some help downloading my skin from skindex into minecraft in my mac
#318 [12:51] <R> how do i do that?
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#320 [12:52] <DopeGhoti> jaxblonk: first off, Mojang's merchant services are PayPal and Moneybookers. Contact them if you want discover card support.
#321 [12:52] <Guest25920> how can i use my skinn in minecraft from skindex?
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#323 [12:52] <Calinou> Guest25920: minecraft.net > login > profile
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#325 [12:54] <Guest25920> is i do that will people see my skin in the multiplayer ? and will i see it in the single player as well?
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#327 [12:55] <PaladinPete> "This build is a complete beast at level 3 with Battle Awareness+Eldritch Strike for one immediate and Death Surge for another." i thought you could only take one immediate action per round?
#328 [12:55] <PaladinPete> oh crap, wrong irc window XD
#329 [12:55] <PaladinPete> haha, sorry guys
#330 [12:55] <benhunter09> Fail
#331 [12:56] <DopeGhoti> jaxblonk: as for updating, see the following
#332 [12:56] <DopeGhoti> ??> jaxblonk forceupdate
#333 [12:56] <VoxelHead> jaxblonk: (forceupdate) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#334 [12:56] <VoxelHead> jaxblonk: (forceupdate) To do so, start Minecraft, press 'Options' (above the 'Login' button), Press 'Force update!', then press 'Done', and login to Minecraft. See http://i.imgur.com/5b09B.png for visual instructions.
#335 [12:56] <DopeGhoti> Guest25920: skindex is a third-party site with which I am not familiar
#336 [12:57] <DopeGhoti> ??> Guest25920 skin/upload
#337 [12:57] <VoxelHead> Guest25920: (skin/upload) Try remote skin upload. Upload a skin using a site like imgur.com and then use this URL to point it (replace last part with imgur url to image): http://www.minecraft.net/skin/remote.jsp?url=UrlToSkinFile
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#346 [13:19] <Neotronix> Hi! A few minutes ago the server has restarted. So my friend and me joined again to our server. He is fine but now I cant using automatic doors, take Items from floor and if I scroll with the Mousewheel in my Itembar, automaticly the items join into the inventar. I have update java, run MC Pathcer, restart PC and restart Server. So what can I do? Or another Question, I'm the only one with this Problems?
#347 [13:19] <Neotronix> Ah and sry for my bad english ^^
#348 [13:19] <oldtopman> ??> Neotronix mods
#349 [13:19] <VoxelHead> Neotronix: (mods) This channel is not a venue for mod support, or support for modded clients or servers. As it is impossible for anybody to know every combination of mods out there, this channel does not assist with unofficial third-party modded content.
#350 [13:19] <VoxelHead> Neotronix: (mods) For single player mods, contact the mod's creator or try http://tiny.cc/modinstall for general installation instructions. For bukkit help, use #bukkit; you can also search Google for a mod's installation instructions.
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#358 [13:43] <manolitico> @sugoi
#359 [13:43] <manolitico> are you on the chat?
#360 [13:46] <manolitico> can someone help me?
#361 [13:46] <manolitico> minecraft freezes
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#364 [13:49] <manolitico> minecraft freezes
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#367 [13:50] <ryans1230> Is anyone familiar here with MonsterIRC?
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#369 [13:52] <Calinou> try #bukkit
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#371 [13:53] <Calinou> manolitico: don't ask to ask, just ask! what is your operating system? also, what do you do when it freezes?
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#374 [13:54] <manolitico> linux mint 14 cinnamon 32 bits; it freezes sometimes after 1-5 miinutes, 10-20 minuets or an hour; i have some photos that told @DopeGhoti to take if it freezes me again. I tried many java versions
#375 [13:55] <manolitico> this errors: http://ubuntuone.com/28gUW4HD4jSHUmBThh5GSj
#376 [13:55] <manolitico> and this consume
#377 [13:55] <manolitico> http://ubuntuone.com/7bXpNP4o7X962SZ3vnYWga
#378 [13:57] <DopeGhoti> manolitico: based on the first image: it definitely looks like a problem with your GPU or its driver. have you tried alternate GPU drivers?
#379 [13:58] <DopeGhoti> the second image indicated that the MC server is still running whtout problem otehr than the fact that the server and client are each monopolizing a core of your system's CPU
#380 [13:58] <manolitico> yes
#381 [13:59] <DopeGhoti> in the case of your client thusly crashing, you should be able to use xkill to force the client to close, and then restart the client to get back into the server
#382 [13:59] <DopeGhoti> but for a proper fix, get more stable GPU drivers
#383 [13:59] <manolitico> ok
#384 [13:59] <manolitico> when i have time, the gpu
#385 [13:59] <manolitico> i'll look how to use xkill
#386 [14:00] <DopeGhoti> manolitico: to use xkill; type 'xkill' in a terminal, and click in the window you want to terminate
#387 [14:00] <DopeGhoti> (e. g. the frozen client)
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#389 [14:00] <manolitico_> impossible to use xkill
#390 [14:01] <oldtopman> manolitico_: "kill -9 $(pgrep java)"
#391 [14:01] <DopeGhoti> oldtopman: that would also kill the server
#392 [14:01] <oldtopman> mh, true
#393 [14:01] <DopeGhoti> manolitico: impossible how?
#394 [14:01] <SinZ> doesn't htop have a way to send that signal to the server
#395 [14:02] <DopeGhoti> SinZ: the point is that we _don't_ want to kill the server; just the client
#396 [14:02] <SinZ> oh, only want to kill a UI
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#398 [14:04] <manolitico_> any solution?
#399 [14:04] <manolitico_> could you give me a driver
#400 [14:05] <manolitico_> that allow me the 1440*900 resolution?
#401 [14:05] <Calinou> why would a driver allow you to use some resolution
#402 [14:06] <manolitico_> the official one, didn't allow me
#403 [14:06] <Calinou> manolitico_: try using the proprietary driver?
#404 [14:06] <Calinou> ._.
#405 [14:06] <Calinou> if it fails, get a NVIDIA GPU 8)
#406 [14:06] <manolitico_> that one was
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#408 [14:06] <manolitico_> i can't buy another one
#409 [14:06] <manolitico_> i wan't to change my pc
#410 [14:06] <Calinou> then get a pc with a nvidia gpu
#411 [14:06] <Calinou> zero issues with nvidia gpus, most of the time
#412 [14:07] <manolitico_> but maybe, it is in years...
#413 [14:07] <Calinou> and they also don't fire their employees from OSRC, since they don't have any :3
#414 [14:07] <Calinou> manolitico_: why are you using 32 bits, too?
#415 [14:07] <Calinou> is your CPU really that old?
#416 [14:08] <DopeGhoti> let's not add more issues than there already are
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#418 [14:08] <manolitico_> yes
#419 [14:08] <manolitico_> dual core
#420 [14:08] <Calinou> what does that have to do with using 32 bits? :P
#421 [14:08] <manolitico_> 2gb ram
#422 [14:08] <Calinou> anyway, find a way report the bug to AMD
#423 [14:08] <Calinou> a way to*
#424 [14:08] <Calinou> yes, but still, 64 bit is sometimes faster
#425 [14:09] <Calinou> and isn't obsolete
#426 [14:09] <DopeGhoti> Calinou: whether ey's using a 32- or 64-bit OS is irrelevant
#427 [14:09] <DopeGhoti> and to be honest, AMD's 32-bit GPU drivers in Linux are more stable than their 64-bit drivers anyhow
#428 [14:09] <DopeGhoti> though that's a low bar to clear
#429 [14:11] <manolitico_> so,i have to find a way to contact amd, am i right?
#430 [14:13] <manolitico_> so, any solution, for killing minecraft?
#431 [14:15] <DopeGhoti> manolitico_: again; use xkill
#432 [14:16] <DopeGhoti> insofar as drivers, this may be useful: http://www.techlw.com/2012/04/install-ati-catalyst-123-drivers-on.html
#433 [14:16] <manolitico_> @DopeGhoti, again, i won't be able to use
#434 [14:17] <manolitico_> from the Ctrl+Alt+Fx terminals i can't use xkll
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#436 [14:20] <DopeGhoti> manolitico_: you have to use it from in the GUI
#437 [14:20] <DopeGhoti> left-alt+F2 should bring up a 'run' dialog
#438 [14:20] <manolitico_> the gui would be frozen
#439 [14:20] <DopeGhoti> not all of the GUI; just Minecraft
#440 [14:21] <manolitico_> no, when its frozen, doesn't function
#441 [14:21] <DopeGhoti> unless the whole GPU it dying
#442 [14:21] <manolitico_> yes, the entire gui freezes
#443 [14:21] <DopeGhoti> in that case, try ctrl+alt+backspace
#444 [14:21] <manolitico_> lol, another posibility
#445 [14:21] <DopeGhoti> (not delete; backspace)
#446 [14:21] <manolitico_> i already tried that
#447 [14:22] <DopeGhoti> are you using GNOME, KDE, or some other window manager?
#448 [14:22] <manolitico_> Cinnamon
#449 [14:23] <DopeGhoti> okay, at a terminal
#450 [14:23] <DopeGhoti> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
#451 [14:23] <manolitico_> sudo service gdm restart
#452 [14:23] <manolitico_> is good?
#453 [14:23] <DopeGhoti> that'd also work
#454 [14:23] <manolitico_> because the other, i don't remember
#455 [14:23] <manolitico_> ok :D
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#459 [14:29] <manolitico> @DopeGhoti gdm not recognized
#460 [14:29] <manolitico> frozen
#461 [14:30] <DopeGhoti> manolitico: pastebin the output of `pstree` please
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#463 [14:30] <manolitico_> @DopeGhoti gdm not recognized
#464 [14:31] <manolitico_> its md, but i didn't know it was mdm
#465 [14:31] <manolitico_> now, i'm in the amd page
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#468 [14:35] <manolitico_> @DopeGhoti, which one should i take?
#469 [14:35] <manolitico_> AMD Catalyst™ Proprietary Display Driver - Linux x86 & Linux x86_64
#470 [14:35] <manolitico_> AMD Catalyst™ Driver for AMD Radeon™ HD 4000, HD 3000 and HD 2000 Series
#471 [14:36] <manolitico_> the second one is the newest
#472 [14:37] <manolitico_> but is the one i tried yseterday
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#477 [14:44] <DopeGhoti> well, if you tried the second and it's not working, try the first?
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#480 [14:45] <manolitico_> no
#481 [14:45] <BrickViking> hmmm.
#482 [14:45] <manolitico_> i'll try the second again
#483 [14:45] <BrickViking> lightdm, perhaps?
#484 [14:45] <manolitico_> but, this time, i'm doing fine
#485 [14:45] <manolitico_> i'm generating a ubuntu package ¬¬
#486 [14:45] <BrickViking> hah. What release of Ubuntu?
#487 [14:46] <manolitico_> precise
#488 [14:46] <manolitico_> but
#489 [14:46] <BrickViking> not quantal?
#490 [14:46] <manolitico_> the one i'm using?
#491 [14:46] <manolitico_> no...
#492 [14:46] <manolitico_> i'm using linux mint 14
#493 [14:46] <manolitico_> and mint derivates from quantal
#494 [14:46] <BrickViking> uhmmmmmmmmmm right.
#495 [14:46] <manolitico_> but i'm generating a ubuntu/precise package
#496 [14:47] <manolitico_> and
#497 [14:47] <manolitico_> how will i know if i have the driver'?
#498 [14:47] <BrickViking> weird. I've just been muted for using m multiple times
#499 [14:47] <BrickViking> that bit, I can't tell you.
#500 [14:48] <manolitico_> i'm going to reboot
#501 [14:48] <BrickViking> anyhow, I suspect I need to depart.
#502 [14:48] <manolitico_> bye
#503 [14:48] <BrickViking> bye
#504 [14:48] <DopeGhoti> ciao
#505 [14:48] <BrickViking> I'm surprised they're still supporting the HD3000. They weren't when I last looked.
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#508 [14:53] <manolitico> how can i know the driver i'm usnig
#509 [14:53] <manolitico> using*
#510 [14:54] <DopeGhoti> lsmod
#511 [14:54] <manolitico> i have one called radeon
#512 [14:54] <manolitico> it that?
#513 [14:54] <manolitico> my graphic is Amd Radeion
#514 [14:54] <manolitico> radeon
#515 [14:55] <manolitico> i have this
#516 [14:55] <manolitico> radeon 820703 3 ttm 75534 1 radeon drm_kms_helper 45271 1 radeon drm 230463 5 radeon,ttm,drm_kms_helper i2c_algo_bit 13197 1 radeon
#517 [14:55] <DopeGhoti> that is probably the kernel module currenly used, yes.
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#521 [14:56] <manolitico> so, have i installed correctly?
#522 [14:57] <manolitico> now, let'see if minecraft freezes
#523 [14:57] <manolitico> this chats, looks like if it was linux
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#527 [15:00] <BrickViking> are you trying to install the fglrx driver?
#528 [15:02] <BrickViking> hm. I guess that question doesn't need to be answered any more.
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#543 [15:28] <Lukario45> I have been here for too long :3
#544 [15:28] <DopeGhoti> Lukario45: oh?
#545 [15:29] <Lukario45> O.O Whoops wrong chat sorry :3
#546 [15:30] <nortti> I'm trying to use indev on linux and every time I press button to try to destroy a block it puts me in pause menu
#547 [15:31] <DopeGhoti> nortti: we do not support outdated versions; sorry.
#548 [15:32] <nortti> ok
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#550 [15:39] <Boreeas> Wait, indev? Why would you even
#551 [15:40] <pacman12699> When will be the offficial release date for minecraft 1.4.6??
#552 [15:40] <Lutzee> pacman12699, tomorrow
#553 [15:41] <pacman12699> But, what will happen to the mods that i have installed??
#554 [15:41] <Lutzee> Nothing if you don't choose to update
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#556 [15:42] <pacman12699> ok, i also have a back up of my most recent .minecraft, so I can use that for mods,and Servers so im pretty good right??
#557 [15:43] <Lutzee> Yes, that is the best option
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#559 [15:45] <nortti> Boreeas: I'm trying to run minecraft on my computer with 700MHz P3 and 64MB of RAM
#560 [15:45] <Boreeas> Ouch
#561 [15:45] <DopeGhoti> you can never have too many backups.
#562 [15:45] <Boreeas> nortti: Get yourself a rasberry pi
#563 [15:46] <pacman12699> how do i create a server on a laptop?
#564 [15:46] <nortti> Boreeas: that would have a bit slower cpu
#565 [15:46] <DopeGhoti> pacman12699: same way you'd create a server on any other system
#566 [15:46] <DopeGhoti> ??> pacman12699 smp/serversetup
#567 [15:46] <VoxelHead> pacman12699: (smp/serversetup) Lots of information here:
#568 [15:46] <VoxelHead> pacman12699: (smp/serversetup) http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Tutorials/Setting_up_a_server
#569 [15:46] <nortti> Boreeas: of course that is not the machine I'm usually running minecraft with
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#571 [15:47] <sugoi> i'm back!
#572 [15:47] <pacman12699> Well, heres the kicker, I do not know how to even portforward..
#573 [15:47] <sugoi> hi
#574 [15:47] <Boreeas> nortti: It would be just as fast, and you would have more ram \o/
#575 [15:47] <sugoi> pacman12699: do you have a router?
#576 [15:47] <pacman12699> yeah...
#577 [15:47] <sugoi> pacman12699: can you log into it?
#578 [15:48] <pacman12699> I can get the IP
#579 [15:48] <nortti> Boreeas: actually no. raspberry pi guys say it is about equivalent to 400MHz P2
#580 [15:48] <sugoi> pacman12699: something like 192.168.1.1 ? or 10.0.0.1 ?
#581 [15:48] <pacman12699> 71.50.64.225 is my ip
#582 [15:48] <DopeGhoti> pacman12699: for most routers, you can find a guide at portforward.com
#583 [15:48] <DopeGhoti> pacman12699: that's your WAN IP; not your LAN IP, nor your router's LAN IP
#584 [15:49] <nortti> pacman12699: try ipconfig
#585 [15:49] <nortti> on cmd.exe
#586 [15:49] <pacman12699> what one
#587 [15:50] <pacman12699> i did get the ipconfig
#588 [15:50] <Boreeas> nortti: The website says it's a 700Mhz
#589 [15:50] <Boreeas> +ARM11
#590 [15:50] <nortti> Boreeas: yes, but 700MHz cpufoo isn't always as fast as 700MHz cpubar
#591 [15:50] <pacman12699> So now what area should i look at??
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#593 [15:52] <nortti> Boreeas: http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs under "How powerful is it?"
#594 [15:52] <pacman12699> So which one do i look at, to get to the router settings?
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#597 [15:54] <Marciuss747> Hi
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#599 [15:55] <Marciuss747> ---- Minecraft Crash Report ---- // Why is it breaking :( Time: 12/19/12 10:47 PM Description: Failed to start game org.lwjgl.LWJGLException: Could not get the JAWT interface at org.lwjgl.opengl.AWTSurfaceLock.lockAndInitHandle(Native Method) at org.lwjgl.opengl.AWTSurfaceLock.access$100(AWTSurfaceLock.java:49) at org.lwjgl.opengl.AWTSurfaceLock$1.run(AWTSurfaceLock.java:89) at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Nati
#600 [15:55] <sugoi> ??> Marciuss747 pastebin
#601 [15:55] <VoxelHead> Marciuss747: (pastebin) Pastebin is a service run at http://www.pastebin.com/ which facilitates the sharing of information without flooding IRC channels. Paste your text there, click 'Submit', and give us the URL the site takes you to, and we can see what you have pasted.
#602 [15:55] <sugoi> Marciuss747: ^^ rather than just copy ans paste the error here, please use pastebin
#603 [15:55] <pacman12699> 10.0.0.16?
#604 [15:56] <pacman12699> Is that the right one?
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#607 [15:57] <Marciuss747> http://pastebin.com/7iz4VqFj
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#609 [15:57] * sugoi nods to Marciuss747
#609 [15:57] <Marciuss747> http://pastebin.com/7iz4VqFj
#610 [15:57] <pacman12699> im in Wifi
#611 [15:57] <pacman12699> So now WTF do i do??
#612 [15:57] <sugoi> Marciuss747: one paste is sufficient
#613 [15:58] <sugoi> Marciuss747: i'm not a mac guy, but it appears java is unable to start use opengl
#614 [15:58] <sugoi> i would advice to update your video card driver
#615 [15:59] <pacman12699> sugoi: now what do i do after i used the Ipconfig??
#616 [15:59] <Marciuss747> yes, but when i go on different account it works
#617 [15:59] <Marciuss747> its something wrong
#618 [16:00] <sugoi> Marciuss747: interesting :) different mac account or different minecraft account/
#619 [16:00] <Marciuss747> different mac account
#620 [16:00] <pacman12699> 10.0.0.1
#621 [16:00] <sugoi> Marciuss747: again, not a mac person, maybe some permission to use graphics or person the different profile is using different drvers
#622 [16:01] <sugoi> Marciuss747: sorry, it does appear to be graphics, but i've never used macs
#623 [16:01] <Marciuss747> Yeah, but the problem is that im administrator
#624 [16:01] <sugoi> pacman12699: open a web browser, and go to 10.0.0.1
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#626 [16:01] <pacman12699> sugoi: i did
#627 [16:01] <Marciuss747> where can i catch mac person?
#628 [16:01] <sugoi> pacman12699: ok, were you able to login to your router then?
#629 [16:01] <sugoi> Marciuss747: here, just not me :)
#630 [16:01] <pacman12699> I Instantly got in
#631 [16:02] <Marciuss747> so i need to reload?
#632 [16:02] <sugoi> pacman12699: already, then follow the guide at portforward.com to learn how to forward a port
#633 [16:02] <sugoi> pacman12699: for minecraft, the default port is 25565
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#635 [16:02] <pacman12699> ok
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#637 [16:03] <Marciuss747> http://pastebin.com/7iz4VqFj
#638 [16:03] <sugoi> Marciuss747: did you just paste that?
#639 [16:03] <Marciuss747> Again you..
#640 [16:03] <sugoi> i never left
#641 [16:03] <sugoi> Marciuss747: this is a chat room
#642 [16:03] <Marciuss747> so i need to go to general room?
#643 [16:03] <sugoi> Marciuss747: there are MANY people in this chat room
#644 [16:04] <pacman12699> sugoi: i am now in the menu of where i am confsed
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#646 [16:04] <sugoi> Marciuss747: in irc you just go to a channel (like this one) ask or say what you want, and wait for anyone to respond
#647 [16:04] <sugoi> Marciuss747: could take 1 second, could take 10 minutes
#648 [16:04] <sugoi> Marciuss747: this chat room is just volunteers like myself that help with minecraft vanilla issues users have
#649 [16:04] <pacman12699> so what do i do?
#650 [16:04] <Marciuss747> oh, okey
#651 [16:04] <Marciuss747> cheers
#652 [16:04] <sugoi> Marciuss747: feel free to stick around :)
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#654 [16:05] <Marciuss747> I need MAC expert
#655 [16:05] <sugoi> pacman12699: read the portforward.com page more carefully
#656 [16:05] <pacman12699> so Do i make it my Machine?
#657 [16:05] <sugoi> Marciuss747: ...
#658 [16:05] <sugoi> pacman12699: i'm going to let you review the portforward.com guide
#659 [16:05] <pacman12699> Security > Services > Port Forwarding > Enable Custom Service Service Name: MC networking Protocol Start Port End Port LAN Port Direction Port tcp 25565 25565 25565 in
#660 [16:06] <sugoi> pacman12699: please just read the guide
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#662 [16:06] <pacman12699> yeah but i do not know what Router do i have
#663 [16:06] <sugoi> pacman12699: then go look at it physically
#664 [16:06] <sugoi> pick it, read the labels on it
#665 [16:06] <pacman12699> its westell
#666 [16:07] <pacman12699> Thats all i know
#667 [16:08] <pacman12699> Its a simple westell router...
#668 [16:08] <sugoi> pacman12699: ok, cool - follow the guide and note that the port you are trying to forward is 25565
#669 [16:10] <pacman12699> I already made the Thing that i need
#670 [16:11] <sugoi> pacman12699: what thing?
#671 [16:11] <pacman12699> the forwarding service
#672 [16:11] <sugoi> pacman12699: good, now start the minecraft server on the machine the port is forwarding to
#673 [16:14] <pacman12699> ok, now i need to download the file, (with the server) And then giveout the ip correct?
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#676 [16:15] <sugoi> yep
#677 [16:15] <sugoi> your WAN ip, not your LAN (that won't help anyone)
#678 [16:16] <pacman12699> ok
#679 [16:16] <pacman12699> one sec
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#681 [16:18] <pacman12699> 71.50.64.225:25565
#682 [16:19] <pacman12699> see if that works
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#684 [16:21] <pacman12699> does it?
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#686 [16:24] <pacman12699> 71.50.64.225:25565
#687 [16:24] <Piovesan10050> I'm having a crash problem in Minecraft, I have narrowed the problem down and I think it has something to do with the Magic Launcher and the Optifine mod. I cannot create Creative Worlds because I crash (Expection World Ticking) any clues about whats up? or is this the wrong IRC?
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#689 [16:25] <sugoi> !test 71.50.64.225
#690 [16:25] <pacman12699> !test 71.50.64.225
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#692 [16:25] <sugoi> heh :)
#693 [16:26] <pacman12699> what?
#694 [16:26] <Morrolan> *points at !check*
#695 [16:26] <sugoi> thanks
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#697 [16:26] <sugoi> !check 71.50.64.225
#698 [16:26] <pacman12699> ?
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#700 [16:26] <pacman12699> !check 71.50.64.225
#701 [16:27] <pacman12699> idid,so WTF is the matter?
#702 [16:27] <pacman12699> !check 71.50.64.225
#703 [16:27] <sugoi> pacman12699: 1: make sure your minecract service is running. 2: make sure no firewalls are blocking it, 3: make sure your ip forwarding rule on your router is pointing to the right ip (check the ip of the machine running the minecraft service), 4: make sure you don't have 2 routers :)
#704 [16:28] <sugoi> pacman12699: well now it worked, what did you cahnge?
#705 [16:28] <sugoi> change*
#706 [16:28] <pacman12699> nvm
#707 [16:28] <pacman12699> i turned on the server :D
#708 [16:28] <sugoi> :)
#709 [16:29] * Morrolan giggles
#709 [16:29] <clarjon1> heheheee
#710 [16:29] <sugoi> pacman12699: well done btw :)
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#712 [16:29] <pacman12699> can you see if you can join?
#713 [16:30] <sugoi> the `chect` we did shold be a solid test, besides that, no i cannot
#714 [16:30] <sugoi> i'm at work
#715 [16:30] <Marciuss747> Whesugoi, how can i find other helpers again?
#716 [16:30] <Marciuss747> sugoi, how can i find other helpers again?
#717 [16:30] <sugoi> Marciuss747: right here, in this channel
#718 [16:30] <pacman12699> !check 71.50.64.225:25565
#719 [16:31] <pacman12699> !check 71.50.64.225
#720 [16:31] <sugoi> pacman12699: adding the port is not necessary btw, 25565 is the default port for minecraft
#721 [16:31] <Morrolan> pacman12699 - Connection is horrible. oO
#722 [16:31] <Marciuss747> Need MAC expert
#723 [16:31] <Morrolan> pacman12699 - Is that server hosted on the moon? ;)
#724 [16:32] <pacman12699> how did you connect?
#725 [16:32] <Morrolan> Uh, regular client.
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#728 [16:32] <Morrolan> I guess you're just on the other end of the world. :)
#729 [16:32] <Marciuss747> Need MAC expert
#730 [16:32] <sugoi> we _should_ host a minecraft server on the moon!
#731 [16:32] <Morrolan> Marciuss747 - Be a bit mor e specific.
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#733 [16:32] <sugoi> Marciuss747: you don't need to keep asking
#734 [16:32] <sugoi> Marciuss747: just one time is enough
#735 [16:32] <Marciuss747> Need MAC expert http://pastebin.com/7iz4VqFj
#736 [16:32] <pacman12699> Im going to FU
#737 [16:32] <Morrolan> sugoi - Hah, latency would be superb. :)
#738 [16:32] <Marciuss747> ok
#739 [16:33] <pacman12699> im in las vegas
#740 [16:33] <sugoi> it looks like the moon in las vegas
#741 [16:33] <sugoi> i guess that's "close"
#742 [16:33] <Morrolan> Las Vegas? Ah, yea, that's a bunch of kilometers away from me.
#743 [16:34] <pacman12699> lol
#744 [16:34] <Morrolan> Marciuss747 - Might want to try and manually update LWJGL.
#745 [16:34] <Marciuss747> How to do that?
#746 [16:34] <Morrolan> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/LWJGL contains instructions on how to do so.
#747 [16:34] <Marciuss747> thanks
#748 [16:34] <Marciuss747> going to try
#749 [16:34] <pacman12699> now how do i connect to my own server?
#750 [16:34] <Morrolan> If that doesn't help, someone will have to dig further. :)
#751 [16:35] <Morrolan> pacman12699 - If it's hosted on the same machine you play on, 'localhost' or '127.0.0.1' will work.
#752 [16:35] <sugoi> pacman12699: and if not the same machine, but on the same router, use the LAN ip
#753 [16:35] <Morrolan> pacman12699 - If it's on the same network, using its internal IP will work. If it's on a different network, you'll have to use its external IP.
#754 [16:35] <sugoi> e.g. 10.0.0.16
#755 [16:35] <pacman12699> Wow! it works :D
#756 [16:35] <pacman12699> I hosted my own minecraft server!
#757 [16:36] <Morrolan> Yay. \o/
#758 [16:36] <Morrolan> And on that note - good night. :)
#759 [16:36] <sugoi> 'night
#760 [16:36] <sugoi> pacman12699: well done :)
#761 [16:36] <pacman12699> Connect!
#762 [16:36] <pacman12699> see you in game!
#763 [16:37] <sugoi> pacman12699: i just might, tho i'll be at work for many more hours
#764 [16:37] <pacman12699> k
#765 [16:39] <pacman12699> its going down for a second
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#767 [16:44] <pacman12699> woosh games is now on the server, i will be hosting it
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#769 [16:46] <Marciuss747> now it's just black screen when i updated LWJGL
#770 [16:46] <Effect> Hey, I'm having trouble with getting my LAN working properly. When my brother tries to connect to my LAN, he connects and disconnects instantly.
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#772 [16:47] <justingoth> hello
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#774 [16:48] <Marciuss747> The new crash on Mac OSX 10.8 http://pastebin.com/2HA2fL0C
#775 [16:48] <justingoth> my minecraft wont start up when i clck the icon it asks for permission and then doesnt start at all
#776 [16:48] <justingoth> not even the launcher will start
#777 [16:49] <DopeGhoti> ??> justingoth mac/gatekeeper
#778 [16:49] <VoxelHead> justingoth: (mac/gatekeeper) Newer versions of OS X add new security measures which give scary warning messages for any programs not from the App store. To force your computer to allow you to play Minecraft, ctrl-click or right-click your Minecraft icon, and select Open.
#779 [16:50] <justingoth> i do that and select open it asks if it can run and i click run but nothing happens
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#781 [16:53] <justingoth> I click minecraft and try starting it with both a regular left double click and right clicking and selecting open and both times it asks to run i click run and then nothing happens the launcher wont open at all im using Windows 7
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#783 [16:54] <Effect> justingoth: Have you downloaded another copy of the minecraft.exe, after deleting the .minecraft appdata?
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#785 [16:55] <justingoth> I'm pretty sure i tried that let me try it again
#786 [16:55] <Warfar> right click the taskbar open taskmanager and go to processes then end all java.exe's
#787 [16:55] <DopeGhoti> Warfar: pay attention; justingoth is using a Mac
#788 [16:55] <Effect> Anyone know why a LAN server/vanilla server would disconnect a player immediately after connecting?
#789 [16:55] <Warfar> im using Windows 7
#790 [16:56] <Warfar> he said
#791 [16:56] <Effect> DopeGhoti: He just stated he's using windows 7
#792 [16:56] <Warfar> pff you pay attention
#793 [16:56] <DopeGhoti> I"m sorry, I had my eyes crossed with Marciuss747's line immediately above
#794 [16:56] * DopeGhoti sits corrected.
#794 [16:57] <justingoth> ok well i deleted all my minecraft files and redownloaded the .exe and when i click to start the exe and click run nothing happenes
#795 [16:57] <justingoth> happens*
#796 [16:58] <Effect> justingoth: youre downloading an .exe with the grass block icon, correct? :P
#797 [16:58] <DopeGhoti> justingoth: what version of Java have you got installed?
#798 [16:58] <justingoth> yes
#799 [16:58] <Warfar> try rebooting
#800 [16:58] <justingoth> i have a java 7 update 9 (64-bit) because im running on a 64 computer
#801 [16:59] <justingoth> and i also have a plane java 7 update 9 installed
#802 [16:59] <justingoth> and warfar ive tried rebooting several times even after deleteing everything and redownloading the exe
#803 [17:00] <Warfar> run as administrator
#804 [17:00] <Warfar> check antivirus
#805 [17:01] <DopeGhoti> ??> justingoth win/profile
#806 [17:01] <VoxelHead> justingoth: (win/profile) It may be helpful to isolate whether this is a problem with your user account, or with your system as a whole.
#807 [17:01] <VoxelHead> justingoth: (win/profile) Please create a new user profile (a computer user, not a new Minecraft account), log in as that user, and try Minecraft from there. If it works, there's something on your profile that's breaking Java or Minecraft. If not, there's something amiss with your system as a whole.
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#809 [17:02] <justingoth> quick question before i go because i just remembered something
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#812 [17:03] <Warfar> or not
#813 [17:03] <Warfar> lol
#814 [17:04] <Warfar> he could have switched users
#815 [17:04] <Effect> When I try and connect to another LAN server, it logs me in and just sits with the standard dirt screen, no text... What's going on? >.>
#816 [17:04] <Warfar> maybe the host has mods?
#817 [17:04] <Effect> We both have mods. We've both tested it with and without mods.
#818 [17:05] <Effect> When I host, he can connect and is immediately disconnected. When he hosts, I cant join at all
#819 [17:06] <Warfar> what mc version?
#820 [17:06] <Effect> Both on 1.4.5
#821 [17:08] <Warfar> java version?
#822 [17:08] <Effect> Most recent, I have the jdk installed too
#823 [17:08] <Effect> He's got the same setup
#824 [17:09] <Warfar> remove jdk
#825 [17:09] <Effect> I can't
#826 [17:09] <Warfar> are you a dev?
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#828 [17:09] <Elystus> Marc o/
#829 [17:09] <Marc_IRL> Ahoy
#830 [17:10] <Effect> I'm going to school for it :P
#831 [17:10] * Elystus realizes that he needs to install Skype >_>
#831 [17:10] <Effect> I need it on my computer though
#832 [17:10] <Marc_IRL> Does anyone live outside the US, and have an iOS device handy?
#833 [17:11] <Warfar> any old java versions?
#834 [17:11] <Marciuss747> The new crash on Mac OSX 10.8 http://pastebin.com/2HA2fL0C
#835 [17:11] <Effect> So my brother and I have swapped problems now. He cannot log in when connecting to me. And I get kicked right away.
#836 [17:11] <Effect> I don't. My brother may.
#837 [17:12] <Marciuss747> I do
#838 [17:12] <Marc_IRL> I want to see what happens when you go to Minecraft: Pocket Edition, click share, then click gift
#839 [17:12] <Elystus> Effect, are you guys using the same account?
#840 [17:13] <Marc_IRL> For me, it says "Gift redeemable in the United States store only". I'm assuming Apple's restricting per-country?
#841 [17:13] <Warfar> Marciuss747, download newest lwgl binaries
#842 [17:13] <Marciuss747> Crash on Mac OSX 10.8 http://pastebin.com/2HA2fL0C
#843 [17:13] <Effect> We are not
#844 [17:13] <Elystus> I assume you are running a local server correct?
#845 [17:14] <Effect> Ive tried both a local server, and a LAN server
#846 [17:14] <Warfar> http://lwjgl.org/forum/index.php/topic,4711.msg25596.html#msg25596
#847 [17:14] <Effect> Neither work, identical problems
#848 [17:14] <Marciuss747> I've just updated them
#849 [17:14] <Warfar> do a software update
#850 [17:14] <Elystus> Effect, try switching your local server to offline mode
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#852 [17:15] <Effect> Trying that now
#853 [17:15] <Effect> Same problem
#854 [17:16] <Marciuss747> Does't work
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#858 [17:19] <Elystus> Effect, does it give a reason for kick?
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#861 [17:22] <BrickViking> weird. Are there two stores to buy minecraft from?
#862 [17:22] <Elystus> what do you mean?
#863 [17:23] <BrickViking> because when I looked a couple of months ago, I was shown a price in US dollars, when I went back a week ago, it was showing me a price in Euro again.
#864 [17:23] <stickypixel> He could mean mojang.com and best buy.
#865 [17:23] <stickypixel> Best Buy has those gift code cards.
#866 [17:23] <BrickViking> ah. I'm not in the U.S.
#867 [17:23] <Marc_IRL> It changes the payment type based on... perceived physical location, I think
#868 [17:23] <BrickViking> and the cards certainly aren't in this country yet.
#869 [17:23] <Marc_IRL> Like, it should show in USD for me
#870 [17:24] <BrickViking> heh. Well, I live in the same place in both cases.
#871 [17:24] <stickypixel> Oop, gotta restart the comp. Updates on ubuntu
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#873 [17:25] <Marc_IRL> aha
#874 [17:25] <Marc_IRL> var priceGBP=17.95; var priceUSD=26.95; var priceEUR=19.95;
#875 [17:25] <BrickViking> sigh. I'm facing a distro update...
#876 [17:25] <Effect> Marc_IRL: Most credit card companies will accept a bill in any currency, and convert it automatically.
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#878 [17:26] <stickypixel> Hello.
#879 [17:26] <Marc_IRL> Effect: Right, but his question was that it was showing differently
#880 [17:27] <Effect> Ah, I see
#881 [17:27] <BrickViking> seems the damage to my wallet wasn't as bad as I previously thought...
#882 [17:27] <BrickViking> I'd bought two minecraft keys for my nephews...
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#885 [17:29] <stickypixel> Anyone play GH3 Xbox?
#886 [17:29] <DopeGhoti> not in a long time
#887 [17:30] <stickypixel> I'm bored so I'm playing it.
#888 [17:30] <BrickViking> what the heck's GH?
#889 [17:30] <stickypixel> I haven't played it in a long time, also.
#890 [17:30] <stickypixel> Guitar Hero.
#891 [17:30] <Elystus> beat through the fire and flames on expert
#892 [17:30] <BrickViking> ugh.
#893 [17:30] <stickypixel> Elystus: Fake and gay. jk
#894 [17:30] <DopeGhoti> Elystus: beat, or 100%'d?
#895 [17:31] <Elystus> 100%
#896 [17:31] <Elystus> that's more evil
#897 [17:31] <stickypixel> pics or gtfo
#898 [17:31] <stickypixel> :v
#899 [17:31] <BrickViking> hahahaha.
#900 [17:31] <stickypixel> jk, even a picture couldn't make me believe you. a video is more like it.
#901 [17:32] <DopeGhoti> videos can be faked.
#902 [17:32] <Elystus> I could make a bot
#903 [17:32] <stickypixel> pictures more.
#904 [17:32] <stickypixel> ^^
#905 [17:32] <DopeGhoti> bring your xbox here, and do it in front of me or it didn't happen.
#906 [17:32] * Elystus gets 1%
#906 [17:32] <Elystus> D:
#907 [17:32] <stickypixel> he could be just playing a video on his xbox to make it look like he did it.
#908 [17:33] <BrickViking> hahahaha.
#909 [17:33] <stickypixel> But instead he loaded the video up while you were using the bathroom.
#910 [17:33] <stickypixel> so you wouldn't know.
#911 [17:33] <Elystus> why do you think i made you eat spicy curry Dope?
#912 [17:33] <stickypixel> Elystus is sneaky. >_> <_>
#913 [17:33] <stickypixel> Well messed that emoticon up.
#914 [17:34] <stickypixel> >_> <_<
#915 [17:34] <Elystus> <_>
#916 [17:34] <Elystus> ^sneaky face
#917 [17:34] <stickypixel> I wonder if James Bond ever did that off-scene.
#918 [17:35] <Lukario45> is ther a program like Eclipse but for C++and C#?
#919 [17:35] <BrickViking> anjuta
#920 [17:35] <BrickViking> and Eclipse can be used for C++ and C# too
#921 [17:35] <Lukario45> Really? How?
#922 [17:35] <BrickViking> There's an extension you can add to Eclipse.
#923 [17:35] <Elystus> Netbeans does c++/C
#924 [17:35] <BrickViking> Let me go ferret it up
#925 [17:35] <Elystus> I like netbeans more
#926 [17:35] <Lukario45> ok
#927 [17:35] <BrickViking> yah, but it's java by default.
#928 [17:36] <BrickViking> I've tried both, I don't care frankly.
#929 [17:36] <Lukario45> Im not a fan of netbeans
#930 [17:36] <stickypixel> I seen the cpp plugin for eclipse.
#931 [17:36] <stickypixel> Just not c#.
#932 [17:36] <Elystus> I use netbeans for web development
#933 [17:36] <Lukario45> Does Anjuta show ur errors like Eclipse?
#934 [17:37] <Lukario45> tar.xz? Wtf
#935 [17:38] <BrickViking> woooo.
#936 [17:38] <BrickViking> Are you on a Linux system?
#937 [17:39] <BrickViking> if you're on a Debian or Ubuntoid system, install xz-utils to crack that thing open.
#938 [17:39] <BrickViking> If you're on Windows (a lot of people are, sigh) then I don't know.
#939 [17:40] <stickypixel> Xfce<3
#940 [17:40] <BrickViking> ayu
#941 [17:40] <BrickViking> C# might be a slightly different plugin.
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#943 [17:41] <Marc_IRL> This one's mostly for me, but if you guys get questions about how to gift Minecraft, I just wrote this: http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/897454-giving-minecraft-for-christmas
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#946 [17:43] <BrickViking> Lukario45: look for emonic if you want a C# plugin for Eclipse.
#947 [17:43] <sugoi> we should add that to our topic :)
#948 [17:43] <sugoi> since everyone reads it anyways...
#949 [17:44] <Lukario45> ok
#950 [17:44] <Darkusmoon> hello my minecraft won't join with my freinds server its says can't reach server. I really need some help
#951 [17:45] <Lukario45> Did u put the port? Is your friends server portforwarded?
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#953 [17:46] <Darkusmoon> eh i don't know
#954 [17:46] <Lukario45> You should ask because if he didnt portforward than no one but him can join the server
#955 [17:46] <Lukario45> Or Her
#956 [17:47] <Darkusmoon> how do you portforward
#957 [17:48] <Lukario45> um hold on let me get a link
#958 [17:48] <Effect> Still having odd problems with my LAN...
#959 [17:50] <Lukario45> Darkusmoon: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+port+forward+%20for+a+minecraft+server
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#962 [17:52] <Darkusmoon__> that link just closed my browser
#963 [17:52] <Elystus> Darkusmoon, http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1598228-guide-included-portforwarding-megathread-post-your-port-forwarding-questions-here/
#964 [17:53] <Effect> shift click next time :P
#965 [17:53] <Elystus> lol
#966 [17:53] <Elystus> but Darkusmoon_ got to that link I gave above. It's a helpful thread on how to port forward.
#967 [17:54] <Darkusmoon__> thanks yeah i just sent it to my freind
#968 [17:54] <Darkusmoon__> *friend ahh can't spell
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#974 [18:02] <Effect> Getting frustrated with this. I think im gonna give up again.
#975 [18:02] <Darkusmoon__> alright i come back if portforward doesn't work
#976 [18:02] <Darkusmoon__> *i'll come
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#978 [18:04] <DopeGhoti> Effect: how exactly are the LAN based computers connected? Ethernet? Wifi? Both?
#979 [18:05] <Effect> I'm on ethernet. My brother is on wifi.
#980 [18:05] <DopeGhoti> Effect: is there any way to put your brother also on ethernet?
#981 [18:05] <DopeGhoti> even temporarily?
#982 [18:05] <Effect> Hrmm, possibly. I think I have an ethernet cable run through the house in that area. We'll try that
#983 [18:05] <Effect> Brb
#984 [18:09] <Effect> Doesn't make a difference.
#985 [18:09] <Elystus> Effect is there a kick message?
#986 [18:10] <DopeGhoti> Effect: in fact, is there _any_ server-side message?
#987 [18:10] <Effect> No. When my brother joins, my server says he joins and is disconnected twice. But on his screen, his minecraft has a messageless error with a "Done" button at the bottom
#988 [18:11] <DopeGhoti> and there are no mods whatsover on either client or server?
#989 [18:11] <Effect> I'm currently testing with a mod. But previously we were testing with a vanilla server, with the same problem.
#990 [18:11] <DopeGhoti> Effect: in the interest of isolating any variables, let's take mods out of the equation
#991 [18:11] <Effect> Already did yesterday, is what I'm trying to say :P
#992 [18:12] <Effect> That it is not a problem with mods, its something with my networking
#993 [18:12] <DopeGhoti> Yes, but now the variables are back. I would like to try to get you up and running with no mods
#994 [18:12] <Effect> Alrighty, will do then.
#995 [18:12] <DopeGhoti> and once that's working, you can add the mods
#996 [18:12] <DopeGhoti> also, I'd like to know whether your brother can connect to any SMP server elsewhere
#997 [18:13] <Effect> He can, he regularly plays online
#998 [18:13] <DopeGhoti> since this LAN problem manifested?
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#1000 [18:13] <Effect> yep
#1001 [18:13] <DopeGhoti> okay.
#1002 [18:15] <Effect> Test server is working
#1003 [18:15] <Effect> Hrmm, must be something funny with forge in that case.
#1004 [18:15] <DopeGhoti> progress!
#1005 [18:15] <Effect> Indeed!
#1006 [18:15] <Effect> When I was testing "vanilla", i forgot I had forge installed
#1007 [18:16] <DopeGhoti> so we seem then to have isolated the problem, at least
#1008 [18:17] <Effect> yeah, a problem with forge. Going to attempt using a different version
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#1010 [18:17] <DopeGhoti> good luck!
#1011 [18:17] <Effect> thank you sir!
#1012 [18:17] <DopeGhoti> my pleasure!
#1013 [18:18] <DopeGhoti> (this is why, incidentally, my first troubleshooting step is to remove mods just to be sure. (: )
#1014 [18:20] <Effect> Yep! Turns out I'm silly, and not thorough enough ;)
#1015 [18:21] <DopeGhoti> no worries; just glad we found the sabot in the gearing
#1016 [18:24] <Effect> And the problem was with the forge version we downloaded. Just incase you were curious ;)
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#1018 [18:24] <DopeGhoti> good to know; thanks for the update!
#1019 [18:24] <TheAtariNerd> Hey i nedd some help
#1020 [18:24] <DopeGhoti> TheAtariNerd: and we're here to help; what can we do you for?
#1021 [18:24] <Effect> Make sure silly noobs download the main download, the newer versions are weird :P
#1022 [18:25] <TheAtariNerd> Servers. I cant set one up!
#1023 [18:25] <DopeGhoti> ??> TheAtariNerd smp/serversetup
#1024 [18:25] <VoxelHead> TheAtariNerd: (smp/serversetup) Lots of information here:
#1025 [18:25] <VoxelHead> TheAtariNerd: (smp/serversetup) http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Tutorials/Setting_up_a_server
#1026 [18:25] <TheAtariNerd> I read that. no help
#1027 [18:25] <DopeGhoti> what seems to be the problem?
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#1030 [18:26] <TheAtariNerd> well port forwarding
#1031 [18:26] <DopeGhoti> what part of port forwarding is giving you problems?
#1032 [18:27] <TheAtariNerd> When i connect to my server i get through on my network but my friends cannot
#1033 [18:27] <TheAtariNerd> They are on different SSIDs
#1034 [18:27] <DopeGhoti> when they try, do yo usee anything on the server log?
#1035 [18:27] <TheAtariNerd> Nope. They cannot connect
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#1038 [18:29] <DopeGhoti> okay. you say they're on SSIDs; I take this to mean they're on different wireless networks. Are these different networks in the same physical place?
#1039 [18:29] <TheAtariNerd> More or less... Texas to be blunt
#1040 [18:31] <TheAtariNerd> hello?
#1041 [18:31] <DopeGhoti> ?? patience
#1042 [18:32] <VoxelHead> patience: Please be patient when waiting for a response. Many of the helpers here are helping in their free time at school or work, and often get called away.
#1043 [18:32] <VoxelHead> patience: In short, your supplications will be answered, in the order in which they are received.
#1044 [18:32] <TheAtariNerd> Sorry
#1045 [18:32] <DopeGhoti> s'ok
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#1047 [18:32] <DopeGhoti> okay, so: the server is running but does not see anything on its console when others try to connect
#1048 [18:32] <DopeGhoti> what is its address?
#1049 [18:32] <TheAtariNerd> Hold on.
#1050 [18:33] <TheAtariNerd> Where can i find it?
#1051 [18:33] <DopeGhoti> ?? ip/external
#1052 [18:34] <VoxelHead> ip/external: Places to go to learn your external (WAN) IP address: http://www.ipchicken.com/ http://www.whatismyip.com/ http://www.moanmyip.com/ [NSFW]
#1053 [18:34] <TheAtariNerd> Wait can i look it up on my command prompt because i'm not fond on links
#1054 [18:35] * Eddie bans VoxelHead for NSFW link
#1054 [18:35] <oldtopman> TheAtariNerd: You cannot.
#1055 [18:35] <TheAtariNerd> Can i find it in the Server Comand Console
#1056 [18:35] <DopeGhoti> no
#1057 [18:36] <DopeGhoti> all a computer will be able to tell you inside a LAN is what its internal IP is; you need to talk to the outside world to find your WAN IP
#1058 [18:36] <DopeGhoti> ..or the router itself
#1059 [18:36] <TheAtariNerd> Well i dunno where to find it... though i know it had 64 in it
#1060 [18:36] <DopeGhoti> I assure you that http://www.ipchicken.com is safe
#1061 [18:36] <DopeGhoti> and will tell you the address in large, friendly, blue digits.
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#1063 [18:37] <TheAtariNerd> Okay. Please wait while TheAtariNerd surfs the net
#1064 [18:38] <Effect> Mmmm, that thaumcraft 3. <3
#1065 [18:38] <TheAtariNerd> TheAtariNerd has returned most triumphant.
#1066 [18:39] <TheAtariNerd> 50.59.73.157
#1067 [18:39] <TheAtariNerd> i dont think thats right though
#1068 [18:41] <DopeGhoti> !check 50.59.73.157
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#1071 [18:41] <DopeGhoti> TheAtariNerd: did you check from the same machine on which the server is running?
#1072 [18:41] <TheAtariNerd> Yep.
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#1074 [18:41] <TheAtariNerd> Yep
#1075 [18:42] <TheAtariNerd> I did all of that
#1076 [18:42] <DopeGhoti> there are three causes for that answer from AuBot:
#1077 [18:42] <DopeGhoti> 1> the address is incorrect
#1078 [18:42] <DopeGhoti> 2> the server is not running
#1079 [18:42] <DopeGhoti> 3> port forwarding is not set up correctly
#1080 [18:42] <oldtopman> DopeGhoti: Is his server at the same place as he is? That's his ip.
#1081 [18:42] * Elystus votes on number 3
#1081 [18:42] <DopeGhoti> you have asserted that 1 is not the case; could you verify that the server is indeed running?
#1082 [18:43] * oldtopman votes 3
#1082 [18:43] <JamesTheAwesomeDude> Hey I need some help with Minecraft on Ubuntu.
#1083 [18:43] <TheAtariNerd> Yep. right as we speak, it's on the right side of my screen
#1084 [18:43] <Elystus> JamesTheAwesomeDude, what exactly?
#1085 [18:44] <JamesTheAwesomeDude> I get the black screen, even after deleting my entire .minecraft folder. The launcher opens OK, and downloads the game, but then... the black screen.
#1086 [18:44] <DopeGhoti> TheAtariNerd: okay. between that machine and the internet is a router. please log into that router. you will also need to know the _internal_ IP of the server.
#1087 [18:44] <TheAtariNerd> Okay how do i find the IIP?
#1088 [18:45] <JamesTheAwesomeDude> I'm using the Sun JVM, just like the official site says to (OpenJDK doesn't use my graphics card for MC, for some reason.)
#1089 [18:45] <Elystus> JamesTheAwesomeDude, can you get a console output?
#1090 [18:45] <JamesTheAwesomeDude> yes indeed I can. 1 sec
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#1092 [18:46] <JamesTheAwesomeDude> I do remember something about wrong ELF type
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#1094 [18:47] <Elystus> wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32 ?
#1095 [18:47] <TheAtariNerd> Sorry hit the wrong button
#1096 [18:47] <DopeGhoti> TheAtariNerd: no problem; welcome back
#1097 [18:47] <DopeGhoti> TheAtariNerd: I presume you're running Windows?
#1098 [18:47] <TheAtariNerd> 7
#1099 [18:48] <DopeGhoti> okay. click the start menu, and type 'cmd', and press enter. you should see a mostly black window appear, with some text
#1100 [18:48] <Elystus> JamesTheAwesomeDude, let's get it working with openjdk
#1101 [18:48] <TheAtariNerd> okay
#1102 [18:48] <JamesTheAwesomeDude> 1 sec
#1103 [18:48] <JamesTheAwesomeDude> Have to do some chores :(
#1104 [18:48] <Elystus> okay, just ping me when you get back
#1105 [18:48] <DopeGhoti> TheAtariNerd: in that window, type 'ipconfig' and press enter, and you will see some information come back at you. We're looking for your "IPv4 Address"
#1106 [18:49] <DopeGhoti> it will probably start with 192.168 or 10.
#1107 [18:49] <TheAtariNerd> I see IPv6 but not four
#1108 [18:49] <TheAtariNerd> Wait i scrolled up
#1109 [18:50] <TheAtariNerd> 192.168.1.64
#1110 [18:51] <TheAtariNerd> TheAtariNerd has gone to grab a snack. Be back in a few
#1111 [18:51] <DopeGhoti> okay, good
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#1120 [18:56] <TheAtariNerd> TheAtariNerd has returned with snacks...yum
#1121 [18:56] <JamesTheAwesomeDude> Ok, IDK what's going on, but it's working. There are several major issues though.
#1122 [18:57] <JamesTheAwesomeDude> 1. Lag; 2. Trouble holding the cursor in place; it regularly escapes; 3. (this is weird) crash on LEAVING a world.
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#1124 [18:59] <DopeGhoti> TheAtariNerd: okay, you need to make a note of that IP address you found
#1125 [18:59] <DopeGhoti> you should also see another address: a default gateway
#1126 [18:59] <DopeGhoti> it is probably 192.168.1.1, but I wanted to double-check
#1127 [18:59] <TheAtariNerd> Thats blanl
#1128 [19:00] <TheAtariNerd> blank
#1129 [19:00] <DopeGhoti> that's.. unusual.
#1130 [19:00] <DopeGhoti> is your subnet mask 255.255.255.0 ?
#1131 [19:00] <TheAtariNerd> yep
#1132 [19:00] <DopeGhoti> okay
#1133 [19:00] <DopeGhoti> you will now need to log into your router
#1134 [19:00] <DopeGhoti> in a new web browser tab or window, go to http://192.168.1.1
#1135 [19:01] <TheAtariNerd> im already in
#1136 [19:01] <DopeGhoti> okay, now, I don't know what router you have, but you need to find your way to the port forwarding settings
#1137 [19:02] <Elystus> What is the crash you receive upon leaving a world JamesTheAwesomeDude
#1138 [19:02] <JamesTheAwesomeDude> http://pastebin.com/8TSTcm2h
#1139 [19:02] <TheAtariNerd> For the record, Netgear and okay
#1140 [19:02] <JamesTheAwesomeDude> near the end
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#1142 [19:02] <JamesTheAwesomeDude> also, it leaves a carcass window around for ~1 minute, then it says that "Java has closed onexpectedly"
#1143 [19:03] <JamesTheAwesomeDude> and then ~2 minutes after that, I get something about the crash maybe being caused by /home/james/.minecraft/bin/natives/liblwjgl64.so
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#1145 [19:04] <DopeGhoti> ?? specific
#1146 [19:04] <VoxelHead> specific: Please be specific and give complete error or other messages verbatim. The details of these messages are very helpful in determining the nature of your problem.
#1147 [19:04] <JamesTheAwesomeDude> james@james-OptiPlex-GX620:~$ java -version
#1148 [19:04] <JamesTheAwesomeDude> java version "1.7.0_09"
#1149 [19:04] <JamesTheAwesomeDude> OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea7 2.3.3) (7u9-2.3.3-0ubuntu1~12.04.1)
#1150 [19:04] <VoxelHead> specific: NOTE: If the message is longer than one or two lines, please use Pastebin.
#1151 [19:04] <JamesTheAwesomeDude> OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 23.2-b09, mixed mode)
#1152 [19:04] <Elystus> Yea, don't post too many messages
#1153 [19:05] <JamesTheAwesomeDude> OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea7 2.3.3) (7u9-2.3.3-0ubuntu1~12.04.1)
#1154 [19:05] <JamesTheAwesomeDude> OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 23.2-b09, mixed mode)
#1155 [19:05] <Elystus> the problem appears to be with your lwjgl
#1156 [19:05] <JamesTheAwesomeDude> that's what java -version says, along with me using java 1.7.0_09
#1157 [19:05] <Elystus> I would do a manual update
#1158 [19:05] <JamesTheAwesomeDude> force update?
#1159 [19:05] <Elystus> you could try that
#1160 [19:06] <JamesTheAwesomeDude> I did. That very session was the log I sent
#1161 [19:06] <Elystus> then do a manual update of the lwjgl
#1162 [19:06] <JamesTheAwesomeDude> For some reason, updating doesn't get logged to the console
#1163 [19:06] <JamesTheAwesomeDude> ok how
#1164 [19:07] <Elystus> There's a guide on it here:http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Tutorials/Update_LWJGL
#1165 [19:07] <TheAtariNerd> Now what?
#1166 [19:07] <Elystus> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Tutorials/Update_LWJGL *
#1167 [19:07] <JamesTheAwesomeDude> ooh thanks
#1168 [19:08] <JamesTheAwesomeDude> Lol on Linux, everything is called "Lib-something"
#1169 [19:09] <Eddie> libido
#1170 [19:10] <oldtopman> JamesTheAwesomeDude: Only the libraries.
#1171 [19:10] <TheAtariNerd> DopeGhoti?
#1172 [19:10] <DopeGhoti> TheAtariNerd: okay, you need to forward the following port:
#1173 [19:10] <DopeGhoti> ?? smp/port
#1174 [19:10] <VoxelHead> smp/port: TCP port 25565
#1175 [19:10] <oldtopman> Eddie: "Required dependencies "libeuphemism" not found.
#1176 [19:10] <DopeGhoti> to the internal IP address you found earlier
#1177 [19:10] <TheAtariNerd> I already did
#1178 [19:10] <DopeGhoti> are you certain?
#1179 [19:11] <DopeGhoti> double-check
#1180 [19:11] <TheAtariNerd> All the Start ports and end ports are 25665
#1181 [19:11] <Eddie> oldtopman: HA
#1182 [19:11] <DopeGhoti> the start point should not specify a port
#1183 [19:11] <DopeGhoti> only the internal side needs the port set
#1184 [19:11] <DopeGhoti> that may be the problem
#1185 [19:12] <TheAtariNerd> Ah. So get rid of 25665 for external?
#1186 [19:13] <JamesTheAwesomeDude> OK, that fixed the cursor lock, and the carcass window, but the lag is still there, and the console still tells me that the JRE crashed. (it did remove the carcass window, however.)
#1187 [19:13] <JamesTheAwesomeDude> need the log?
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#1189 [19:13] <DopeGhoti> TheAtariNerd: yes
#1190 [19:14] <TheAtariNerd> What do i set for External start and stop?
#1191 [19:14] <DopeGhoti> TheAtariNerd: nothing
#1192 [19:14] <TheAtariNerd> It wont let me leave them blank
#1193 [19:14] <DopeGhoti> unless they are not what I think they are
#1194 [19:15] <DopeGhoti> can you post a screenshot of what you're looking at in imgur?
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#1196 [19:15] <JamesTheAwesomeDude> http://pastebin.com/pxZNeGm2
#1197 [19:15] <TheAtariNerd> ???
#1198 [19:15] <DopeGhoti> I'll take that as a no
#1199 [19:15] <JamesTheAwesomeDude> that was for Elystus
#1200 [19:16] <DopeGhoti> hold on while I try to find what that settings page looks like on Netgear routers.
#1201 [19:16] <TheAtariNerd> Kay sorry
#1202 [19:18] <Elystus> JamesTheAwesomeDude, I see that you updated it, but we seem to be getting the exact same error
#1203 [19:18] <JamesTheAwesomeDude> Well, at least the carcass window disappears. While the dead window is around, I can't use Java at ALL: -jar, -version, anything.
#1204 [19:19] <JamesTheAwesomeDude> So what do I do?
#1205 [19:19] <Elystus> thinking
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#1207 [19:20] <TheAtariNerd> TheAtariNerd has gone to get milk
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#1209 [19:20] <JamesTheAwesomeDude> I think it has something to do with the JVM. Minecraft's official website says on the download page to "please use Sun's JVM"
#1210 [19:20] <JamesTheAwesomeDude> but that is the one that gives me the black screen.
#1211 [19:21] <Elystus> okay lets just do a complete reinstall of java
#1212 [19:21] <JamesTheAwesomeDude> OK idk how to install the Sun one
#1213 [19:21] <Elystus> If you uninstall them I will give you the commands to reinstall
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#1215 [19:21] <JamesTheAwesomeDude> so.. sudo apt-get remove icedtea-7-plugin?
#1216 [19:22] <Elystus> yea
#1217 [19:22] <TheAtariNerd> TheAtariNerd is back
#1218 [19:22] <JamesTheAwesomeDude> ok now what? I think that just removes the browser plugin
#1219 [19:22] <JamesTheAwesomeDude> IDK what the JVM package is called
#1220 [19:24] <Elystus> patience
#1221 [19:24] <Elystus> dpkg --get-selections
#1222 [19:24] <TheAtariNerd> Im back now so what now?
#1223 [19:24] <Elystus> put that in your terminal
#1224 [19:25] <Elystus> look for anything java related in that list that you just created using that command JamesTheAwesomeDude
#1225 [19:25] <Elystus> then uninstall those packages
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#1228 [19:27] <TheAtariNerd> Can i just put 1? that's all it'l let me put
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#1230 [19:27] <MKid2010> hi
#1231 [19:27] <MKid2010> anyone here?
#1232 [19:27] <MKid2010> i has a question
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#1234 [19:28] <donny> good evening
#1235 [19:28] <donny> i was hoping someone could help me with the star wars mad
#1236 [19:28] <donny> is it compatible with 1.4.5 ?
#1237 [19:28] <Elystus> MKid2010, state your issue and someone will help you
#1238 [19:29] <MKid2010> kk
#1239 [19:29] <JamesTheAwesomeDude> ookay. Done. Everything java/icedtea - gone.
#1240 [19:29] <donny> i follow the instructions, but it is stuck on the finished downloading screen
#1241 [19:30] <Elystus> JamesTheAwesomeDude, put the following three commands in the terminal
#1242 [19:30] <MKid2010> well i am hosting a server on a PC, and when I try join it, on the same PC, I have over 40000ms for it. Back in 1.2.5 is was all fine, then came the 1.3 update and it ballsed up everything for multiplayer
#1243 [19:30] <Elystus> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:webupd8team/java
#1244 [19:30] <Elystus> sudo apt-get update
#1245 [19:30] <TheAtariNerd> Wait. I need to update my server'
#1246 [19:30] <Elystus> sudo apt-get install oracle-java7-installer
#1247 [19:30] <MKid2010> so... whats wrong
#1248 [19:31] <JamesTheAwesomeDude> aha. thanks. it's working now
#1249 [19:31] <MKid2010> i used to get 20 ms for a server hosted on my own machine
#1250 [19:31] <Elystus> JamesTheAwesomeDude, \o/
#1251 [19:31] <JamesTheAwesomeDude> I mean, woking - getting the packages
#1252 [19:31] <Elystus> oh
#1253 [19:31] <Elystus> >_>
#1254 [19:31] <JamesTheAwesomeDude> Orace = Sun, yes?
#1255 [19:31] <Elystus> MKid2010, well it's generally not good practice to host a server from the same machine
#1256 [19:31] <donny> i am also running on a mac
#1257 [19:31] <Elystus> JamesTheAwesomeDude, yea
#1258 [19:31] <MKid2010> its just for testing and stuff
#1259 [19:31] <donny> if that helps
#1260 [19:31] <MKid2010> noones on it
#1261 [19:32] <MKid2010> except me
#1262 [19:32] <Elystus> MKid2010, do you have another computer in the house that no one is using?
#1263 [19:32] <MKid2010> yep, but I don't see the problem
#1264 [19:32] <JamesTheAwesomeDude> dang unstable internet
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#1266 [19:32] <MKid2010> cause all the servers i try to join, whether it be in Australia or the US
#1267 [19:33] <Steve[work]> MKid2010: what address are you using to connect with?
#1268 [19:33] <MKid2010> pardon?
#1269 [19:33] <Elystus> Oh they all do this? That would have been nice to know
#1270 [19:33] <Steve[work]> localhost, 127.0.0.1, interface IP, what?
#1271 [19:33] <MKid2010> for?
#1272 [19:33] <Steve[work]> the local server
#1273 [19:33] <MKid2010> well this is my external IP
#1274 [19:33] <MKid2010> 220.244.186.81
#1275 [19:33] <JamesTheAwesomeDude> be back in a minute
#1276 [19:33] <MKid2010> the local server i use localhost
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#1278 [19:34] <MKid2010> the other servers i use the IP provided
#1279 [19:34] <Steve[work]> and which is experiencing issues?
#1280 [19:34] <MKid2010> all of them
#1281 [19:34] <MKid2010> even on another computer on the same network
#1282 [19:34] <donny> what ip address is it using a publicly routable one ?
#1283 [19:34] <Steve[work]> ok, what OS, what JVM version, etc?
#1284 [19:34] <Steve[work]> donny: yeah it looks routable
#1285 [19:34] <MKid2010> Windows 7 Enterprise, and i think Java6
#1286 [19:35] <donny> i wonder if there is a Nat that might be causing an issue
#1287 [19:35] <donny> is he accessing it from his local network ?
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#1289 [19:35] <Steve[work]> MKid2010: how much memory have you given the server?
#1290 [19:35] <MKid2010> 1GB
#1291 [19:35] <MKid2010> i don't need much
#1292 [19:35] <MKid2010> its for testing plugins
#1293 [19:35] <Steve[work]> also what does the load look like for the java process that the mincraft server is running
#1294 [19:36] <TheAtariNerd> Help
#1295 [19:36] <MKid2010> i use bukkit... so its like a cmd
#1296 [19:36] <MKid2010> the console for bukkit is a command prompt
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#1298 [19:36] <Steve[work]> MKid2010: yeah, but if you wants the JVM process using something like System Monitor, how is it looking?
#1299 [19:36] <Steve[work]> is it spiking?
#1300 [19:36] <MKid2010> pardon?
#1301 [19:37] <MKid2010> well
#1302 [19:37] <MKid2010> i'll go check with a minecraft_server.jar
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#1304 [19:37] <MKid2010> instead of bukkit
#1305 [19:37] <TheAtariNerd> DopeGohti?
#1306 [19:37] <donny> can he ping the server, what kind of latency does he get ?
#1307 [19:37] <Steve[work]> MKid2010: shouldn't matter IMHO
#1308 [19:37] <Steve[work]> donny: he's saying he's seeing it over localhost as well
#1309 [19:37] <MKid2010> the ping i get at speedtest.net is about 20-40
#1310 [19:37] <Steve[work]> so its something bizarre
#1311 [19:38] <MKid2010> download speed of about 7 MBps and upload of 0.7MBps
#1312 [19:38] <donny> what if you just ping it
#1313 [19:38] <TheAtariNerd> DopeGohti is out, can someone else help me?
#1314 [19:38] <donny> from your local workstation
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#1316 [19:38] <donny> os in anotehr computer on youyr network
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#1318 [19:38] <MKid2010> i pinged my default gateway and get 1ms
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#1320 [19:39] <MKid2010> i pinged my static and get average of 31ms
#1321 [19:40] <Steve[work]> the 768k up-pipe might cause some issues for people outside the network if he's setting it up through NAT
#1322 [19:40] <Steve[work]> i dunno, I'm a windows idiot
#1323 [19:40] <MKid2010> i'm only using the server for testing plugins
#1324 [19:40] <MKid2010> thats all its for
#1325 [19:40] <Steve[work]> give me a linux box and im all over it
#1326 [19:41] <MKid2010> haha
#1327 [19:41] <MKid2010> anyway
#1328 [19:41] <MKid2010> when i connect to any server thats online
#1329 [19:41] <MKid2010> the window freezes until it connects
#1330 [19:41] <MKid2010> and when i am in the server it's as if there wasn't 40000ms of ping
#1331 [19:41] <Steve[work]> ok, that sounds like a latency issue
#1332 [19:41] <MKid2010> yep pretty sure
#1333 [19:41] <MKid2010> but how do i get rid of this issue?
#1334 [19:42] <Steve[work]> have you tried to ping one of those external servers?
#1335 [19:42] <Steve[work]> also, do you know how much network traffic is going on the network?
#1336 [19:42] <Steve[work]> a ping may look ok, but fall apart under a load if the network is already loaded and your getting prioritized down
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#1338 [19:42] <MKid2010> i might go have a look
#1339 [19:43] <donny> so Steve you are a linux guy ?
#1340 [19:43] <Steve[work]> donny: yessir
#1341 [19:43] <MKid2010> LOL i can't access my control panel for my network
#1342 [19:43] <MKid2010> oh well
#1343 [19:43] <MKid2010> might go check later once it does work
#1344 [19:43] <donny> are there any specific ports you need opened ?
#1345 [19:43] <donny> are you running windows firewall on the server?
#1346 [19:44] <Steve[work]> MKid2010: that would probably be the issue then ;)
#1347 [19:44] <MKid2010> i don't think so
#1348 [19:44] <donny> are minecraft servers typically run on windows ?
#1349 [19:44] <donny> i can't imagine
#1350 [19:44] <Steve[work]> im assuming by Control Panel you mean the Router config page?
#1351 [19:44] <MKid2010> yeh
#1352 [19:44] <Steve[work]> donny: never for any serious use
#1353 [19:44] <donny> do you know what they do run?
#1354 [19:44] <donny> redhat ?
#1355 [19:44] <MKid2010> also it seems as if i can't open any ports after purchasing a wireless printer
#1356 [19:44] <donny> as in the mojang sanctioned stuff
#1357 [19:45] <Steve[work]> MKid2010: if your router is loaded enough to not let you display that page, then something is seriously wrong with the network layer
#1358 [19:45] <donny> mkid2010 sounds like a lot of your problems are network related
#1359 [19:45] <Steve[work]> donny: most people use RHEL or CentOS
#1360 [19:45] <MKid2010> yep i might go have a check
#1361 [19:45] <Steve[work]> I like CentOS6 personally
#1362 [19:45] <MKid2010> wait what page
#1363 [19:45] <Steve[work]> I have about 20Vms running on my lab, almost all Cent6.3
#1364 [19:46] <MKid2010> what page? are you talking about
#1365 [19:46] <MKid2010> i can load pages on the internet fine
#1366 [19:46] <MKid2010> just minecraft theres a problem
#1367 [19:46] <Steve[work]> MKid2010: but not the router?
#1368 [19:46] <MKid2010> this is what it says
#1369 [19:46] <MKid2010> Expires: Mon, 26 Jul 1997 05:00:00 GMT Cache-Control: max-age=0 Cache-Control: no-store, no-cache, must-revalidate Cache-Control: post-check=0, pre-check=0 Pragma: no-cache
#1370 [19:46] <MKid2010> dunno what it means >.<
#1371 [19:46] <Steve[work]> on the router???
#1372 [19:47] <MKid2010> well the page anyway
#1373 [19:47] <Steve[work]> thats just the header information for the page
#1374 [19:47] <MKid2010> then there is something wrong
#1375 [19:47] <Steve[work]> yup
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#1377 [19:47] <MKid2010> i might go reset my router
#1378 [19:47] <MKid2010> see if that helps
#1379 [19:48] <Steve[work]> might be a good idea
#1380 [19:48] <Steve[work]> ;)
#1381 [19:48] <Steve[work]> gl man
#1382 [19:48] <MKid2010> i had to open internet explorer...
#1383 [19:48] <MKid2010> to see if the page worked on that
#1384 [19:48] <Steve[work]> this is why I dont use those cheap residential grade routers :-p
#1385 [19:48] <Steve[work]> but im and edge case ;)
#1386 [19:48] <Steve[work]> *an
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#1390 [19:50] <Steve[work]> donny: why you ask about the OS?
#1391 [19:50] <Steve[work]> it honestly doesnt matter nearly as much as the JVM
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#1393 [19:50] <MKid2010> worked fine on IE
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#1397 [19:51] <Steve[work]> MKid2010: honestly without a lot more information seeing whats going on...not much else i can do for ya, sorry dude
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#1406 [19:54] <JamesTheAwesomeDude> ok back
#1407 [19:54] <Steve[work]> wb
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#1444 [19:56] <Steve[work]> yay net splits!
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#1447 [19:57] <Eddie> STAND STILL
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#1450 [19:58] <Steve[work]> Eddie: NO!
#1451 [19:59] <Eddie> D:
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#1457 [20:00] <Steve[work]> ^_^
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#1465 [20:02] <Steve[work]> I just cant look at code anymoe >.<
#1466 [20:02] <Steve[work]> *anymore
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#1477 [20:09] <redneckkings> how do I fix the ticking screen problem
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#1480 [20:11] <redneckkings> Generated 12/19/12 7:58 PM -- Head -- Stacktrace: at java.lang.Thread.start0(Native Method) at java.lang.Thread.start(Unknown Source) at bag.<init>(SourceFile:16) at bap.a(SourceFile:312) at bak.a(SourceFile:1503) at xv.a(SourceFile:842) at ayh.a(SourceFile:139) at xv.d(SourceFile:834) at ayh.d(SourceFile:121) at net.minecraft.client.Minecraft.a(SourceFile:1470) at net.minecraft.client.Minecraft.a(SourceFile:1417) at axz.
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#1486 [20:15] <donny> back
#1487 [20:15] <donny> so where was i
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#1489 [20:15] <donny> yes can someone help me out with a mod question
#1490 [20:16] <donny> does the star wars mod run on 1.45?
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#1493 [20:20] <donny> hi sigma
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#1496 [20:22] <Steve[work]> donny: looks like the bukkit plugin does
#1497 [20:22] <Steve[work]> CB 1.4.5-R0.2
#1498 [20:22] <Steve[work]> http://dev.bukkit.org/server-mods/starwars/
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#1500 [20:24] <donny> i am assuming i should download the starwars.jar
#1501 [20:24] <donny> from the site
#1502 [20:24] <donny> ?
#1503 [20:24] <Steve[work]> yes, and hook it into bukkit by dropping it in the plugins folder
#1504 [20:25] <donny> ok that would mean i should be running bukkit ?
#1505 [20:25] <Steve[work]> bukkit is a 3rd party server mod
#1506 [20:25] <Steve[work]> bukkit.org
#1507 [20:27] <donny> so craftbukkit.jar is the applicaiton ?
#1508 [20:27] <Steve[work]> yes
#1509 [20:27] <Steve[work]> tats the server
#1510 [20:27] <Steve[work]> *thats
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#1512 [20:27] <donny> and is that what i need to install ?
#1513 [20:28] <donny> before i can use the pluging
#1514 [20:28] <donny> plug in
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#1516 [20:28] <Steve[work]> run the craftbukkit.jar file, and it will create the folder stucture you need.
#1517 [20:29] <Steve[work]> http://wiki.bukkit.org/Setting_up_a_server
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#1519 [20:30] <donny> got it
#1520 [20:31] <donny> so esssentially i will be running my own local minecraft server?
#1521 [20:31] <sugoi> donny: are you going to host your server outside your LAN?
#1522 [20:31] <donny> no
#1523 [20:32] <donny> honestly i am only doing htis because my son wants the star wars mod
#1524 [20:32] <sugoi> anyways, yes
#1525 [20:32] <donny> and i can't get it to work
#1526 [20:32] <sugoi> but unless you port forward, otherws won't be able to join
#1527 [20:32] <donny> following teh normal steps
#1528 [20:32] <donny> thats fine
#1529 [20:32] <donny> i just need to play teh game locally
#1530 [20:32] <donny> he is 7, doesn't need to really play online
#1531 [20:32] <sugoi> were you able to start the server?
#1532 [20:32] <donny> doing that now
#1533 [20:33] <donny> basically setting up a folder and dumping the webserver.jar file in there ?
#1534 [20:33] <donny> now i am running a mac, is that a problem ?
#1535 [20:33] <Steve[work]> shouldnt be
#1536 [20:33] <sugoi> nope, they have java for macs
#1537 [20:33] <Steve[work]> just follow the OSX directions
#1538 [20:33] <donny> yes doing that now
#1539 [20:34] <Steve[work]> ;)
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#1541 [20:41] <donny> ok looks like i have the server running
#1542 [20:41] <Steve[work]> woo!
#1543 [20:41] <donny> what next ?
#1544 [20:42] <donny> better yet is there a way i can test it to confirm it is running correctly ?
#1545 [20:43] <sugoi> donny: try to connect to it via the client
#1546 [20:43] <donny> as in the client you mean minecraft ?
#1547 [20:43] <Steve[work]> yes
#1548 [20:43] <sugoi> yes, to differentiate from the server, which you are now running
#1549 [20:43] <donny> can the client be on the same machine ?
#1550 [20:43] <sugoi> yep
#1551 [20:43] <Steve[work]> yes
#1552 [20:43] <sugoi> just requires a bit more ram
#1553 [20:44] <sugoi> but no process conflict
#1554 [20:44] <Steve[work]> MC uses 512MB, the server uses 1024MB
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#1556 [20:45] <donny> i have pelnty of ram
#1557 [20:46] <donny> so where in the client do i specify the server it should connect to
#1558 [20:46] <Steve[work]> then there shouldn't be an issue ;)
#1559 [20:46] <donny> this looks pretty default
#1560 [20:46] <Steve[work]> click multiplayer
#1561 [20:46] <Steve[work]> click direct connect
#1562 [20:46] <Steve[work]> then type in localhost
#1563 [20:46] <sugoi> what do you mean by it looks "default" ?
#1564 [20:46] <Steve[work]> then join ;)
#1565 [20:47] <donny> so i typed in localhost
#1566 [20:47] <donny> its says outdated server
#1567 [20:47] <donny> should i be typing the ip address instead
#1568 [20:47] <sugoi> you did it correctly
#1569 [20:48] <sugoi> all is fine, you just have a craftbukkit server that is of an older minecraft version than your client
#1570 [20:48] <Steve[work]> did you gert this version: http://dl.bukkit.org/
#1571 [20:48] <Steve[work]> 1.4.5-R1.0
#1572 [20:48] <donny> hmm
#1573 [20:48] <donny> no 1.3.2
#1574 [20:49] <donny> i think that was the stable release
#1575 [20:49] <sugoi> you need to get the one Steve[work] pointed to
#1576 [20:49] <sugoi> your client is 1.4.5, so your server should be too
#1577 [20:49] <Steve[work]> server and client must always match
#1578 [20:49] <sugoi> donny: you could downgrade your client to 1.3.2, but it'd be easier to just get a compatible server
#1579 [20:50] <donny> ok getting the new one
#1580 [20:50] <Steve[work]> it'll just drop on top of the old jar file
#1581 [20:50] <Steve[work]> really easy
#1582 [20:51] <donny> hmm
#1583 [20:51] <donny> still says outdated server
#1584 [20:51] <sugoi> you stopped the first one and started it again after you downloaded the new file?
#1585 [20:51] <donny> and i am running 1.4.5 r10
#1586 [20:51] <sugoi> and you have only one craftbukkit.jar ?
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#1588 [20:52] <donny> yeah its in a folder on my desktop
#1589 [20:52] <angrymom> I was wondering why it is that I cannot purchase Minecraft in Illinois?
#1590 [20:52] <sugoi> angrymom: it should have nothing to do with the state you are in
#1591 [20:53] <sugoi> angrymom: what error do you get?
#1592 [20:53] <sugoi> donny: when the new server starts up, it should also say its version
#1593 [20:53] <angrymom> it told us when we entered our info that due to legal restrictions they cannot accept registrations from our state
#1594 [20:53] <sugoi> donny: what version does it say when it starts up?
#1595 [20:54] <donny> daneshs-imac:Desktop danesh$ mkdir BukkitServer
#1596 [20:54] <donny> daneshs-imac:Desktop danesh$ cd BukkitServer/
#1597 [20:54] <donny> daneshs-imac:BukkitServer danesh$ curl -LO http://cbukk.it/craftbukkit.jar
#1598 [20:54] <donny> % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current
#1599 [20:54] <donny> daneshs-imac:BukkitServer danesh$ echo " java -Xms1024M -Xmx1024M -jar craftbukkit.jar -o true" >> start.command
#1600 [20:54] <Steve[work]> whoops
#1601 [20:54] <donny> daneshs-imac:BukkitServer danesh$ chmod +x start.command
#1602 [20:54] <donny> daneshs-imac:BukkitServer danesh$ echo " java -Xms1024M -Xmx1024M -jar craftbukkit.jar -o true" >> start.command
#1603 [20:54] <donny> daneshs-imac:BukkitServer danesh$ cd ~/Desktop/
#1604 [20:54] <sugoi> angrymom: huh...had not heard of that issue, but i just googled and foud this: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120514184341AAkWmmy
#1605 [20:54] <donny> daneshs-imac:Desktop danesh$ mkdir BukkitServer
#1606 [20:54] <sugoi> donny: woah woah
#1607 [20:54] <sugoi> woah
#1608 [20:54] <donny> mkdir: BukkitServer: File exists
#1609 [20:54] <donny> daneshs-imac:Desktop danesh$ cd BukkitServer/
#1610 [20:54] <donny> daneshs-imac:BukkitServer danesh$ curl -LO http://cbukk.it/craftbukkit.jar
#1611 [20:54] <sugoi> donny: !
#1612 [20:54] <Steve[work]> donny: use pastbin or paste for multiline stuff
#1613 [20:55] * sugoi slaps donny with a trout
#1613 [20:55] <donny> 100 11.8M 100 11.8M 0 0 1240k 0 0:00:09 0:00:09 --:--:-- 1693k
#1614 [20:55] <donny> daneshs-imac:BukkitServer danesh$ echo "cd ~/Desktop/BukkitServer/" >> start.command
#1615 [20:55] <Steve[work]> http://pastie.org/
#1616 [20:55] <donny> daneshs-imac:BukkitServer danesh$ echo " java -Xms1024M -Xmx1024M -jar craftbukkit.jar -o true" >> start.command
#1617 [20:55] <donny> daneshs-imac:BukkitServer danesh$ chmod +x start.command
#1618 [20:55] <donny> daneshs-imac:BukkitServer danesh$
#1619 [20:55] <Steve[work]> >.<
#1620 [20:55] <donny> oops
#1621 [20:55] <donny> didn't mean to flood sorry
#1622 [20:55] <donny> sorry guys its been years since i was on irc
#1623 [20:55] <sugoi> dude
#1624 [20:55] <donny> back when i used mirc
#1625 [20:55] <angrymom> thank you very much
#1626 [20:55] <sugoi> angrymom: that is just someone talking about the issue
#1627 [20:55] <sugoi> but i had not heard of this :)
#1628 [20:55] <Steve[work]> donny: use http://pastie.org/ for multiline
#1629 [20:55] <donny> http://pastie.org/5555403
#1630 [20:55] <donny> like htat ?
#1631 [20:55] <Steve[work]> just like that
#1632 [20:55] <ChauffeR> nono pastie is bad
#1633 [20:56] <Steve[work]> and i can read everything nicely now ;)
#1634 [20:56] <ChauffeR> use codeone or something
#1635 [20:56] <sugoi> ChauffeR: ...
#1636 [20:56] <ChauffeR> sugoi...
#1637 [20:56] <sugoi> angrymom: so weird
#1638 [20:57] <Steve[work]> whats wrong with pastie?
#1639 [20:57] <ChauffeR> ads and stuff
#1640 [20:57] <Steve[work]> eh...so you get an ad or 2 :-p
#1641 [20:57] <sugoi> angrymom: have you tried paypal?
#1642 [20:58] <angrymom> just did it and paypal accepted
#1643 [20:58] <Steve[work]> I understand how a popular free service needs some sort of support
#1644 [20:58] <sugoi> woot
#1645 [20:58] <sugoi> Steve[work]: such as this one? :(
#1646 [20:58] <sugoi> haha
#1647 [20:58] <angrymom> thank you made my son happy
#1648 [20:58] <Steve[work]> and donations generally dont work
#1649 [20:58] <sugoi> angrymom: still 'angry' ?
#1650 [20:58] <Steve[work]> sugoi: ;)
#1651 [20:58] <ChauffeR> i do run a free service
#1652 [20:58] <Steve[work]> ChauffeR: same here ;)
#1653 [20:59] <sugoi> same here
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#1655 [20:59] <ChauffeR> which would be
#1656 [20:59] <Steve[work]> BukGet
#1657 [20:59] <angrymom> nope happy now
#1658 [20:59] <Steve[work]> angrymom: \o/ Yay!
#1659 [20:59] <sugoi> angrymom: use /nick happymom
#1660 [20:59] <Steve[work]> lol
#1661 [21:00] <ChauffeR> bukkit reps?
#1662 [21:00] <angrymom> i will! thanks again
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#1664 [21:00] <sugoi> :)
#1665 [21:00] <ChauffeR> repos even
#1666 [21:00] <Steve[work]> ChauffeR: an API into BukkitDev
#1667 [21:00] <Steve[work]> so yeah, kinda
#1668 [21:00] <Steve[work]> never thought it would get popular :-p
#1669 [21:00] <ChauffeR> yay
#1670 [21:00] <Steve[work]> yay, and fail
#1671 [21:01] <Steve[work]> i spend soo much time coding that thing
#1672 [21:01] <ChauffeR> if you make a package manager out of it please don't think about aptitude
#1673 [21:01] <donny> ok im looking at the reponse
#1674 [21:01] <Steve[work]> lol
#1675 [21:01] <donny> it says :warning failed to bind to port
#1676 [21:01] <sugoi> donny: the first one is still running
#1677 [21:01] <sugoi> you didn't kill it
#1678 [21:01] <sugoi> or stop it
#1679 [21:01] <Steve[work]> I just do the API, there are a ton of server managers that use it
#1680 [21:01] <donny> perhaps a server is already running on that port
#1681 [21:01] <donny> how can i kill it ?
#1682 [21:01] <ChauffeR> ok lol good night
#1683 [21:01] <sugoi> donny: the server running on that port is the one you JUST started abotu 20 minutes ago
#1684 [21:02] <ChauffeR> o/
#1685 [21:02] <donny> got it
#1686 [21:02] <donny> what process does it run under
#1687 [21:02] <donny> i guess i could just kill the process
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#1689 [21:02] <sugoi> well how did you start it?
#1690 [21:02] <sugoi> it is 'java', to answer the other question
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#1693 [21:02] <donny> got it
#1694 [21:03] <donny> well i had three of them running
#1695 [21:03] <sugoi> donny: how did you 'start' it?
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#1697 [21:03] <donny> i think i ran the command script to start it
#1698 [21:03] <donny> but it has started now
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#1700 [21:03] <Gene> hello need help with registering e-mail address
#1701 [21:03] <donny> it spawned some areas
#1702 [21:04] <donny> now let me try and connect with the client
#1703 [21:04] <sugoi> donny: type stop in the console to stop the server
#1704 [21:04] <sugoi> not sure why it was still running, mac should kill a process in a command window if you close it
#1705 [21:04] <Gene> willnot send to a hotmail.com address to verify
#1706 [21:04] <donny> ok
#1707 [21:04] <donny> im in
#1708 [21:04] <donny> looks fairly vanilla stuff
#1709 [21:04] <sugoi> and when i say "mac should" i mean "i've never used a mac, but they better do it the right way"
#1710 [21:05] <Steve[work]> sugoi: it'll work that way
#1711 [21:05] <donny> now for the star wars plugin
#1712 [21:05] <sugoi> Steve[work]: so how did he have so many? you think he left the consoles open?
#1713 [21:05] <donny> steve, what did you say i needed to do with that
#1714 [21:05] <sugoi> donny: good job :)
#1715 [21:05] <Steve[work]> sugoi: more than likely
#1716 [21:05] <donny> yeah, i think i just ran it a few times
#1717 [21:05] <donny> teh startup script
#1718 [21:05] <Steve[work]> donny: drop the starwars.jar file into the plugins folder
#1719 [21:06] <donny> ok done
#1720 [21:06] <donny> do i need to restart something
#1721 [21:06] <Steve[work]> sugoi: easy way to fix that for linux or mac is to just kill all the java processes like so: skill java
#1722 [21:06] <Steve[work]> donny: yes
#1723 [21:06] <donny> yes i had three java instances
#1724 [21:06] <donny> i kiled them all
#1725 [21:06] <donny> and restarted
#1726 [21:06] <Steve[work]> ;)
#1727 [21:07] <sugoi> Steve[work]: yes (mr. gentoo-er here) but also, one shouldn't have to kill the process unless a mistake was made
#1728 [21:07] <Steve[work]> sugoi: true, but if there are processes lying around and the user has no idea where they are, its an easy fix ;)
#1729 [21:07] <donny> hmm how do i know its using the plugin
#1730 [21:07] <donny> landscape looks same as before
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#1732 [21:07] <Steve[work]> donny: it'll say in the start messages
#1733 [21:07] <Steve[work]> look at the console
#1734 [21:08] <donny> nah
#1735 [21:08] <donny> do i need to restart the server itself
#1736 [21:08] <donny> i just restarted the client
#1737 [21:08] <donny> as in closed it and opened it again
#1738 [21:09] <sugoi> Steve[work]: i agree! i guess i was just bothered thinking this would become the 'way to close the server'
#1739 [21:09] <Steve[work]> shut down the client, then restart the server, then once the server is ready start the client back up
#1740 [21:09] <donny> hmm
#1741 [21:09] <donny> doesn't like the plugin
#1742 [21:09] <Steve[work]> ?
#1743 [21:09] <donny> can i paste two lines of text or is that flooding ?
#1744 [21:10] <Steve[work]> just pastebin it
#1745 [21:10] <sugoi> donny: sure, but pastebin's are ALWAYS welcome
#1746 [21:10] <Steve[work]> or whatever paste service you wanna use :-p
#1747 [21:10] <sugoi> we prefer pastebin, tbh
#1748 [21:10] <sugoi> yeah, sorry
#1749 [21:10] <Steve[work]> never been a fan of pastebin's syntax highighting
#1750 [21:10] <sugoi> when i say 'pastebin' i mean anything of the type
#1751 [21:10] <donny> http://pastebin.com/w9JS9tva
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#1753 [21:12] <Steve[work]> yay i love java errors (groan)
#1754 [21:13] <donny> sorry ;(
#1755 [21:15] <Steve[work]> not seeing any reason why it wouldnt work unless it broke from R0.2 to R1.0...which is very unlikely
#1756 [21:17] <donny> should i try another plugin
#1757 [21:17] <donny> to see if that works
#1758 [21:17] <donny> as a test
#1759 [21:17] <donny> do you know of one that i should test ?
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#1761 [21:19] <sugoi> donny: at this point i would first ask on #bukkit, and then post a question to the dev's forum page for your plugin
#1762 [21:20] <donny> but the server seems to be running just fine correct?
#1763 [21:20] <donny> looks like an issue with the plugin ?
#1764 [21:20] <sugoi> yes, #bukkit just might have more troubleshooting ideas
#1765 [21:20] <sugoi> and yes, the plugin could be the problem
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#1767 [21:21] <Steve[work]> donny: yeah you might be better off going to #bukkit
#1768 [21:21] <Warfar_> 80C is healthy for a cpu right?
#1769 [21:21] <sugoi> Warfar_: that is the upper range of allowed haet
#1770 [21:21] <Steve[work]> that plugin seens to be just failing
#1771 [21:21] <Warfar_> lololol
#1772 [21:21] <sugoi> Warfar_: at 75C, intel will actually throttle back
#1773 [21:21] <Warfar_> i have nothing running
#1774 [21:21] <Warfar_> 80C
#1775 [21:22] <Warfar_> fans at max
#1776 [21:22] <sugoi> Warfar_: then your thermal paste is crap or not actually in contact with the heatsink+cpu
#1777 [21:22] <sugoi> Warfar_: also, just curious, what brought you here?
#1778 [21:22] <Warfar_> first tab
#1779 [21:22] <sugoi> what does this have to do with minecraft?
#1780 [21:22] <Warfar_> and its help
#1781 [21:22] <sugoi> esp if nothing is running? :)
#1782 [21:22] <Warfar_> i was just playing minecraft
#1783 [21:23] <Warfar_> do i have to do a shutdown?
#1784 [21:23] <sugoi> Warfar_: well at 80C, your heatsink is not connected to your cpu well enough
#1785 [21:23] <sugoi> Warfar_: this isn't a runtime issue
#1786 [21:23] <sugoi> this is physical problem
#1787 [21:23] <Warfar_> great
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#1789 [21:23] <sugoi> i would recommend shutting down, letting it cool, and consider reapplying thermal paste and making sure your heatsink contacts the cpu
#1790 [21:23] <Warfar_> lol what?
#1791 [21:23] <sugoi> Warfar_: also, if you are overclocking, don't
#1792 [21:23] <Warfar_> who stole my name
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#1794 [21:24] <Warfar_> also this is a manufactured computer
#1795 [21:24] <sugoi> Warfar_: if in warranty, contact them and report the heat issue
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#1797 [21:24] <sugoi> laptop or desktop?
#1798 [21:24] <Warfar_> desktop
#1799 [21:24] <cruel1079> laptop
#1800 [21:24] <sugoi> then it'll be easy to reapply some paste and making sure the heatsink is in good contact
#1801 [21:24] <Warfar_> never had this issue
#1802 [21:25] <Warfar_> also why is my cpu usage 90%
#1803 [21:25] <sugoi> Warfar_: minecraft is quite a taxing game
#1804 [21:25] <sugoi> Warfar_: i'd have to see your process list
#1805 [21:25] <Warfar_> skype is highest
#1806 [21:25] <sugoi> Warfar_: windows/linux/mac?
#1807 [21:25] <Warfar_> only 64k
#1808 [21:25] <Warfar_> windows
#1809 [21:25] <Warfar_> well 64kk
#1810 [21:26] <Warfar_> no virus scans
#1811 [21:26] <Warfar_> why are my cores 100%
#1812 [21:27] <Warfar_> I have nothing that can cause that
#1813 [21:27] <cruel1079> when i select play it says "cannot connect to minecraft.net" then i only get the option to try again and below it says (Not Downloaded) I restarted my laptop and have purchased the game leagally. what do i do
#1814 [21:27] <Warfar_> help.mojang.com
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#1816 [21:27] <Warfar_> are the servers down?
#1817 [21:27] <cruel1079> no
#1818 [21:27] <PepsiFilms100> I dont know
#1819 [21:27] <PepsiFilms100> Im not having trouble so im guessing now
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#1822 [21:28] <sugoi> Warfar_: your task manager will show you what procses is taking 100%
#1823 [21:28] <Warfar_> where?
#1824 [21:29] <sugoi> cruel1079: could be anti-virus or firewall
#1825 [21:29] <Warfar_> skype is the highest memory using
#1826 [21:29] <cruel1079> i went to the mojang support center and it does nothing
#1827 [21:29] <sugoi> Warfar_: click on "processes" tab
#1828 [21:29] <sugoi> sort by "CPU"
#1829 [21:29] <Warfar_> yeah skype is #1
#1830 [21:29] <Warfar_> just closed it
#1831 [21:29] <cruel1079> i can check the anti virus
#1832 [21:29] <sugoi> cruel1079: 'it does nothing'
#1833 [21:29] <Warfar_> now its explorer
#1834 [21:29] <Warfar_> 79C 100% on cores
#1835 [21:29] <sugoi> cruel1079: what does that mean?
#1836 [21:30] <cruel1079> mojang support doesnt help
#1837 [21:30] <sugoi> Warfar_: explorer is running 100% cpu??
#1838 [21:30] <Warfar_> no
#1839 [21:30] <Warfar_> it doesnt say what is running 100%
#1840 [21:30] <sugoi> cruel1079: as i said, it could be anti-virus
#1841 [21:30] <sugoi> Warfar_: so which is?
#1842 [21:30] <Warfar_> just how much memory
#1843 [21:30] <Warfar_> but explorer is at the top
#1844 [21:31] <sugoi> Warfar_: look in the CPU column of the "Processes" tab
#1845 [21:31] <Warfar_> found it
#1846 [21:31] <Warfar_> holy shit
#1847 [21:31] <Warfar_> 58C
#1848 [21:31] <Warfar_> that was fast
#1849 [21:32] <Warfar_> i wish i could manually configure fans
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#1853 [21:34] <cruel1079> figured it out my date and time was messed up
#1854 [21:36] <sugoi> sorry, back, had to reboot
#1855 [21:36] <sugoi> Warfar_: still, it shouldn't get that hot
#1856 [21:36] <sugoi> what was causing the cpu load?
#1857 [21:36] <Warfar_> i had like 5 of the same program hogging 13%
#1858 [21:38] <Warfar_> was a android rom upgrader
#1859 [21:42] <Lukario45> Is there any Minecraft developers here that i can ahve a quick chat too
#1860 [21:45] <sugoi> Lukario45: rarely do they come by
#1861 [21:45] <sugoi> Lukario45: only a few times over the years
#1862 [21:45] <sugoi> tho i'm curious, what beef did you have? :)
#1863 [21:46] <Warfar_> lukar
#1864 [21:46] <Warfar_> go to #direwolf20
#1865 [21:47] <Lukario45> Ok
#1866 [21:47] <sugoi> he is not a mc developer
#1867 [21:47] <sugoi> and the members there at best are mod developers
#1868 [21:48] <Lukario45> Im not looking for mods...
#1869 [21:49] <sugoi> Lukario45: what specifically did you want to discuss?
#1870 [21:50] <Lukario45> Well... will you not yell at me saying its a bad idea and i shouldnt even try
#1871 [21:50] <sugoi> haha, of course
#1872 [21:51] <Lukario45> I own the classic minecraft server software called MCThunder
#1873 [21:51] <Lukario45> Classic is Dieing
#1874 [21:52] <Lukario45> So im upgrading to SMP
#1875 [21:53] <Lukario45> And well lets just say my java skills are questionable and i dont know where to start
#1876 [21:53] <Lukario45> That is all
#1877 [21:54] <sugoi> what's your question? how to learn java? how to program with minecraft?
#1878 [21:54] <Lukario45> Neither
#1879 [21:54] <Lukario45> i dont know where to start
#1880 [21:54] <Lukario45> I want to know where i should start what i need ect
#1881 [21:55] <Lukario45> Wait
#1882 [21:55] <sugoi> if you want to modify how the server runs, see bukkit, if you want to modify how the client runs, see forge and mods, if you want to wrap the server, again, bukkit -- also, the official API will eventually come out
#1883 [21:55] <Lukario45> Ok
#1884 [21:55] <Lukario45> Is bukkit based off the natural Server Software?
#1885 [21:56] <donny> hi guys
#1886 [21:56] <donny> im back with an update
#1887 [21:56] <sugoi> Lukario45: 'based'? it exposes some of the internal methods of the server
#1888 [21:56] <Lukario45> ok
#1889 [21:56] <sugoi> it literally runs the minecraft server code
#1890 [21:56] <donny> apparently the issue was that the plugin was not compatible with the version of buckit i was running
#1891 [21:56] <sugoi> it is not a rewrite
#1892 [21:56] <sugoi> donny: sure
#1893 [21:57] <Lukario45> Well what i am doing is a rewrite with some Code from original software
#1894 [21:57] <donny> so i downgraded to 1.45. r2
#1895 [21:57] <donny> and it fixed the issue
#1896 [21:57] <sugoi> donny: too bad it was a breaking change to go to r10
#1897 [21:57] <Steve[work]> well that works
#1898 [21:57] <sugoi> revisions shouldn't do that
#1899 [21:57] <sugoi> not sure who to blame, i learn towards blaming bukkit, tbh
#1900 [21:57] <donny> have any of you played that mod ?
#1901 [21:57] <sugoi> i haven ot
#1902 [21:57] <Steve[work]> sugoi: nope, which means the plugin dev was doing naughty things
#1903 [21:58] <sugoi> Steve[work]: possibly, assumptions tho, ergo: lean* (tho, misspelled)
#1904 [21:58] <donny> so how does this differ from using some of those other options out there like modloaders?
#1905 [21:58] <Lukario45> Anyone know what class is bukkits base class?
#1906 [21:58] <donny> wher yeou essentially replace all the class files
#1907 [21:58] <sugoi> Lukario45: visit #bukkit
#1908 [21:58] <donny> in the main folder
#1909 [21:58] <sugoi> also, their website, bukkit.org
#1910 [21:58] <sugoi> LOTS to read, lots of tuts, lots of wikis, etc
#1911 [21:58] <Steve[work]> donny: bukkit uses a plugin API
#1912 [21:59] <Steve[work]> no need to mod the server itself, it exposes an API for plugin devs to use
#1913 [21:59] <Steve[work]> it makes things more stable overall
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#1915 [22:00] <donny> so you run the mod in teh server and don't mess with the core client
#1916 [22:00] <Steve[work]> yup
#1917 [22:01] <donny> so what about the mods are they different
#1918 [22:01] <donny> to what modloaders use
#1919 [22:01] <donny> are they developed by a different group
#1920 [22:01] <Steve[work]> diff people
#1921 [22:01] <Lukario45> sugoi
#1922 [22:01] <donny> because this just had one .jar file, those otherws had tons of files
#1923 [22:01] <sugoi> Lukario45
#1924 [22:01] <Steve[work]> but some of the bukkit teams works at Mojang now and are trying to get a similar API into vanilla
#1925 [22:02] <donny> so steve what is your involvmeent with all of this
#1926 [22:02] <donny> do you work for mojang
#1927 [22:02] <Lukario45> How do i Use the default server stuff so its not a coplete rewrite
#1928 [22:02] <Lukario45> Will MCP do that?
#1929 [22:03] <sugoi> Lukario45: read about bukkit
#1930 [22:03] <Lukario45> Wait! Cant MPC Do that?
#1931 [22:03] <sugoi> what is mcp/mpc?
#1932 [22:03] <Lukario45> MCP*
#1933 [22:04] <sugoi> minecraft coder pack?
#1934 [22:04] <Lukario45> I think
#1935 [22:05] <sugoi> that would allow you to write code against the existing server/client binaries
#1936 [22:05] <sugoi> you could do that
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#1938 [22:05] <Lukario45> Its for making mods but i should be able to decompil;e the server source
#1939 [22:05] <sugoi> or, as i have suggested a couple times, use bukkit
#1940 [22:05] <Lukario45> And make my Program
#1941 [22:05] <Lukario45> I would but
#1942 [22:05] <Lukario45> I am not a fan of bukkit
#1943 [22:05] <sugoi> bukkit is open source, has tutorials, and allows you to link without having to decompile to the underlying minecraft parts
#1944 [22:05] <Lukario45> I know
#1945 [22:06] <sugoi> Lukario45: then feel free to decompile and rebuild yourself, essentially all the work bukkit has done for you
#1946 [22:06] <sugoi> also note you'll have a smaller potential userbase without a highly supported base like bukkit/forge
#1947 [22:06] <Lukario45> i know i know... im not modding it or just making plugins
#1948 [22:06] <sugoi> and what do you have against bukkit?
#1949 [22:06] <sugoi> and what do you have against bukkit?
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#1951 [22:06] <Lukario45> Well Im just not a fan of it
#1952 [22:06] <sugoi> well you've said nothing about what you are trying to do, in fact said you have no idea
#1953 [22:07] <Lukario45> I said i didnt know how to start
#1954 [22:07] <sugoi> so do you want to make changes to the server, client, or a wrapper?
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#1956 [22:08] <Lukario45> Sight
#1957 [22:08] <Lukario45> Oops
#1958 [22:08] <Lukario45> Sigh lol
#1959 [22:08] <Lukario45> Id rather not say it again but im making my own server sofgtware
#1960 [22:08] <Lukario45> just didnt know where to start
#1961 [22:08] <sugoi> so is it a modification to how the server runs? or a wrapper for the server?
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#1963 [22:09] <sugoi> or a rewrite of the server itself
#1964 [22:09] <Lukario45> Its a whole different software
#1965 [22:09] <Lukario45> rewrite using most of the same source for the base
#1966 [22:09] <sugoi> then you'll need source to start from
#1967 [22:09] <Lukario45> The default minecraft server source
#1968 [22:10] <sugoi> then again, i would suggest you review the api bukkit provides you
#1969 [22:10] <Lukario45> I know
#1970 [22:10] <danzige> im trying to buy minecraft for a friend and it says that my credit card can only be used 1nce every 24 hours called my credit card company they said its them restricting it why wont they take my money!!
#1971 [22:10] <sugoi> if bukkit provides all the features you are looking for, you would be a lot safer from obfuscations changes from one release of minecraft to the next
#1972 [22:10] <Lukario45> Bukkit dosent
#1973 [22:10] <sugoi> the bukkit team works very hard to keep their public api working
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#1976 [22:11] <danzige> can anyone help me with my situation?
#1977 [22:11] <Lukario45> Email Or Call Mojang
#1978 [22:11] <danzige> Ive been trying for hours to get ahold of support
#1979 [22:11] <sugoi> danzige: see if this helps http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/897454-giving-minecraft-for-christmas
#1980 [22:12] <danzige> Shows no phone number nothing
#1981 [22:12] <danzige> thank you sug
#1982 [22:12] <sugoi> danzige: they don't use phone support
#1983 [22:12] <sugoi> just email
#1984 [22:12] <danzige> u7mm
#1985 [22:12] <danzige> that did not help
#1986 [22:13] <danzige> i need support to lift the 24 hour
#1987 [22:13] <danzige> Is there any way to get ahold of support?
#1988 [22:13] <sugoi> danzige: email only, sorry
#1989 [22:13] <sugoi> try another payment method, like paypal
#1990 [22:13] <danzige> k
#1991 [22:16] <danzige> sugoi
#1992 [22:16] <danzige> YOU ARE THE BEST MUCH LOVE
#1993 [22:17] <danzige> Your welcome in my server anytime!
#1994 [22:17] <sugoi> :)
#1995 [22:17] <sugoi> feel free to pm me your ip
#1996 [22:18] <sugoi> sometimes i kick around on random servers
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#2019 [23:08] <Lord_Nightmare> ?? oldversion
#2020 [23:08] <VoxelHead> oldversion: By now there are several ways to downgrade your version of Minecraft. Either use a tool like McNostalgia, use a backup of your own, or download the old Minecraft binaries provided by Mojang. See ?? oldversion/list for a list of available binaries.
#2021 [23:08] <Lord_Nightmare> ?? oldversion/list
#2022 [23:08] <VoxelHead> oldversion/list: A list of all Minecraft binary files which are hosted publicly by Mojang can be found here: https://pastebin.com/gwrQrQL9
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