#1 [00:00] <Ferris> given as both the built in trackpad and microsoft arcmouse both do it and run with different drivers, it's kinda confusing
#2 [00:01] <Ferris> so ill go into windows mouse options and see what i can dig up, i guess xP
#3 [00:01] <TopHatDeleters> So if you hover over it, it does nothing, but when you right click, it toggles the door as if a jackrabbit was trying to run through the desert of fire?
#4 [00:02] <Ferris> yes, that exactly
#5 [00:02] <TopHatDeleters> Aaah
#6 [00:02] <Ferris> and that applies for most everything
#7 [00:02] <Ferris> i can buy things really fast in our server store, etc
#8 [00:02] <TopHatDeleters> Such as trying to drop one item into your inventory, from a hand-held stack.
#9 [00:03] <TopHatDeleters> I guess ya don't want that.
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#11 [00:03] <kwils91> i have verified my email several times but my account is still not verified so I can not purchase minecraft
#12 [00:03] <Ferris> nope
#13 [00:03] <Ferris> that doesnt happen TopHatDeleters
#14 [00:04] <kwils91> well it did
#15 [00:04] <TopHatDeleters> Kwils: He was talking to me. XD
#16 [00:04] <kwils91> ah sorry XD
#17 [00:04] <TopHatDeleters> Ferris: Oh.
#18 [00:04] <Ferris> oh that is odd, isn't it o.o
#19 [00:04] <kwils91> It is quite frustrating
#20 [00:04] <Ferris> it's just a door and sign purchase thing?
#21 [00:04] <Ferris> and of course block placement
#22 [00:05] <TopHatDeleters> Ferris: I'd love to have that with the block placement, sometimes.
#23 [00:05] <Ferris> i think everyone has multiple block placement on rightclick, don't they? if you hold?
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#26 [00:05] <TopHatDeleters> Aside from that, it's starting to sound more like an issue within minecraft itself.
#27 [00:05] <TopHatDeleters> Ferris: Yes, but it's not rapid like a railgun.
#28 [00:05] <Ferris> i guess i should go about writing down the servers i use
#29 [00:05] <TopHatDeleters> Well
#30 [00:06] <TopHatDeleters> You can PM me that.
#31 [00:06] <Ferris> pm you... the servers i use?
#32 [00:06] <Ferris> nah it's so i can still join them after i completely delete all parts of minecraft, maybe
#33 [00:06] <Lutzee> I dont believe its minecraft it will be driver related probably
#34 [00:06] <Ferris> if that's an option to you
#35 [00:06] <Lutzee> Something about the drivers and java
#36 [00:07] <Ferris> Lutzee: it doesnt drop from mouse held to inventory infinitely
#37 [00:07] <TopHatDeleters> Lutz: It's that when he right clicks, it rapidly uses whatever is in his hand.
#38 [00:07] <Ferris> so it's action specific
#39 [00:07] <TopHatDeleters> This only happens when he is out of inventory or something
#40 [00:07] <Lutzee> I guess you can post on the jira then
#41 [00:07] <Ferris> happens when building, opening doors, putting out fires, whatever... swords of course maintain defense
#42 [00:08] <TopHatDeleters> Putting out fires?
#43 [00:08] <Ferris> thing is, ive been dealing with it for quite some time
#44 [00:08] <TopHatDeleters> Wait, right click, left click, or both?
#45 [00:08] <Ferris> yeah if i run around putting out fires or placing seeds it'll be about the same quickness a process as opening and closing a door repeatedly
#46 [00:08] <Ferris> rightclicks... only rightclicks
#47 [00:08] <TopHatDeleters> Oh
#48 [00:09] <TopHatDeleters> I never knew you can right click a fire to put it out
#49 [00:09] <Ferris> uhh ill have to check
#50 [00:09] <Ferris> i just said that because i saw fire behind mir
#51 [00:09] <Ferris> c
#52 [00:09] <Ferris> you cant
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#54 [00:10] <TopHatDeleters> What do you have your menu key set to?
#55 [00:10] <TopHatDeleters> (Feels stupid asking question)
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#57 [00:11] <Ferris> menu key?
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#59 [00:12] <TopHatDeleters> Yeah, to open up the menu.
#60 [00:12] <TopHatDeleters> Default is Escape.
#61 [00:12] <Ferris> escape then
#62 [00:12] <Ferris> doesnt look like you can change that
#63 [00:12] <TopHatDeleters> You can't. XD
#64 [00:13] <TopHatDeleters> Just making sure that's still in order. Ya never know.
#65 [00:14] <Ferris> do you know what 'pick block' control is? o.o
#66 [00:14] <Ferris> ohhh nvm
#67 [00:14] <Ferris> it scrolls held inventory
#68 [00:15] <zkxs> In creative it takes the block you are looking at and puts one in your hand
#69 [00:15] <TopHatDeleters> Ferris: I guess we cannot really help you out. :( The best thing you can do is to, as Lutzee said, post on the Jira, or the Public Issue Tracker
#70 [00:15] <TopHatDeleters> Ferris: I guess we cannot really help you out. :( The best thing you can do is to, as Lutzee said, post on the Jira, or the Public Issue Tracker
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#72 [00:18] <TopHatDeleters> Ferris: Here's the link https://mojang.atlassian.net/browse/MC
#73 [00:18] <Ferris> thank you : )
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#75 [00:18] <Ferris> ive been dealing with it for a long time, so i can deal with it plenty more
#76 [00:18] <Ferris> 'sall good
#77 [00:19] <TopHatDeleters> Ferris: Just make sure you fill out a ticket, then periodically check on it. :)
#78 [00:19] <TopHatDeleters> I wish we could fix your problem here and now, but we're very limited to what we can do. There are times when things need to be hard coded into minecraft to fix some player's issues. :(
#79 [00:20] <Lutzee> its some combination of hardware and software
#80 [00:20] <Ferris> see how at the top it says owned by evilseph, TopHatDeleters?
#81 [00:20] <TopHatDeleters> At the top of what?
#82 [00:20] <Ferris> i worked with evilseph for psp-hacks.com livechat for maybe six years with that guy
#83 [00:20] <Ferris> top of that page you linked me to
#84 [00:21] <TopHatDeleters> Wow. A little get together with a friend. :)
#85 [00:21] <Ferris> im quite tired... I just repeated who i was talking about within a line >.<
#86 [00:21] <Lutzee> you sure its the same guy?
#87 [00:21] <Ferris> it is.
#88 [00:21] <Ferris> warren loo
#89 [00:21] <Lutzee> interesting :)
#90 [00:21] <Lutzee> He does float around this network btw
#91 [00:22] <TopHatDeleters> If I remember correctly, Dinnerbone was a dev of Bukkit, along with Evil and a few others, then Mojang hired Dinner?
#92 [00:22] <Ferris> mformature/psphacks.com/curious findings blog/exophase
#93 [00:23] <Ferris> i thought evil was working with mojang as well currently
#94 [00:23] <TopHatDeleters> He may be
#95 [00:23] <Ferris> thought they'd hired on a handful of people from bukkit
#96 [00:23] <TopHatDeleters> Think they already did
#97 [00:23] <TopHatDeleters> But Bukkit was comprised of 5-9 people, if my memory serves me right.
#98 [00:24] <TopHatDeleters> Also, Don't ask me who works in mojang. I take a small gander at the list here and there. XD
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#100 [00:24] <YinTaiYang> question
#101 [00:24] <YinTaiYang> how would i get VoxelHead on my channel?
#102 [00:24] <Eddie> Nevar
#103 [00:24] <TopHatDeleters> ^
#104 [00:24] <TopHatDeleters> You don't.
#105 [00:24] <Eddie> !op
#106 [00:24] <Eddie> !op
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#109 [00:25] <YinTaiYang> why
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#111 [00:25] <TopHatDeleters> Yeah. Evilseph and Dinnerbone Are both Bukkit and Minecraft Devs.
#112 [00:25] <YinTaiYang> wait im not sure if its VoxelHea
#113 [00:25] <TopHatDeleters> Yin: Because the creator doesn't want him to?
#114 [00:25] <TheNoodle> Because its for here YinTaiYang.
#115 [00:25] <YinTaiYang> *VoxelHead
#116 [00:25] <TheNoodle> Go find your own bot
#117 [00:25] <Lutzee> First, you are using webchat ;) second you will need to ask DopeGhoti, who I believe hasn't let anyone else have them in channel
#118 [00:25] <YinTaiYang> i mean the bot that does the !check and stuff like that
#119 [00:25] <Lutzee> that is AuBot
#120 [00:25] <YinTaiYang> oh...
#121 [00:26] <YinTaiYang> haha
#122 [00:26] <zkxs> VoxelHead does not simply walk into strange channels
#123 [00:26] <Lutzee> And that stuff is simple to replicate
#124 [00:26] <YinTaiYang> sorry then XD
#125 [00:26] <YinTaiYang> I thought voxelhead was the bot
#126 [00:26] <TopHatDeleters> Voxel is a bot
#127 [00:26] <TopHatDeleters> Just a different bot
#128 [00:26] <YinTaiYang> but when i did /msg botserv it says not a bot
#129 [00:26] <GreyVulpine> VoxelHead is not a botserv bot
#130 [00:27] <TopHatDeleters> Lesse: VoxelHead, Wugbot (Not here), GreyBot (Not really used), Aubot
#131 [00:27] <GreyVulpine> VoxelHead belongs to an operator of this channel
#132 [00:27] <zkxs> Try /whois VoxelHead
#133 [00:27] <YinTaiYang> So... it's a custom bot and I can't get it?
#134 [00:27] <Lutzee> TopHatDeleters: then theres Statistics >:D
#135 [00:27] <TopHatDeleters> Yep
#136 [00:27] <YinTaiYang> oh
#137 [00:27] <YinTaiYang> ok
#138 [00:27] <YinTaiYang> bye
#139 [00:27] <Lutzee> YinTaiYang: you will have to ask Kealper about aubot
#140 [00:27] <zkxs> WugBot is my fave
#141 [00:27] <zkxs> WugBot is my fave
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#143 [00:27] <TheNoodle> hes a bad man
#144 [00:28] <TopHatDeleters> I don't know what Wugbot or Greybot does
#145 [00:28] <Lutzee> they are just other bots
#146 [00:28] <Lutzee> owned by other people
#147 [00:28] <TopHatDeleters> I know.
#148 [00:28] <TopHatDeleters> And the names are quite obvious. :P
#149 [00:28] <Lutzee> If i wished i could boot mine, which again does similar, but i have plans for that for uni stuff
#150 [00:28] <Ferris> alright. time to fall asleep, probably. brain is all melty.
#151 [00:28] <TopHatDeleters> Lutzee: What's your bot?
#152 [00:29] <TopHatDeleters> Cya, Ferris. \o
#153 [00:29] <Lutzee> Rarely used that is what :P
#154 [00:29] <Ferris> peace. think i'll idle in here a while
#155 [00:29] <TopHatDeleters> XD I mean name.
#156 [00:29] <Lutzee> would be lutbot, but theres no nickserv account on here registered for it
#157 [00:30] <TopHatDeleters> [joke] Ferris: We don't tolerate Idlers. *looks at 95% of the room that's idle*
#158 [00:30] <Lutzee> its only ventured onto freenode for testing
#159 [00:30] <TopHatDeleters> aaah
#160 [00:30] <TopHatDeleters> Well, I will be right back. I want to snack and sip on some tummy-filler.s
#161 [00:31] <Lutzee> Im gonna have about 2 hours sleep... then i have to be up
#162 [00:31] <Lutzee> fml
#163 [00:31] <Ferris> it's closer to 99.5% :p
#164 [00:32] <Lutzee> most of the voiced/ops will show there text every now and again
#165 [00:33] * TheNoodle removes his pants and shows his text
#165 [00:34] <TopHatDeleters> Their*
#166 [00:34] <Lutzee> 5:30am dont kill me :P
#167 [00:34] <TopHatDeleters> XD
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#177 [01:20] <SinZ> yay for windows 7 not wanting to boot anymore after a random bsod
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#183 [01:54] <jm> hello
#184 [01:54] <jm> how do i download the game
#185 [01:55] <jm> the launcher comes up but there is no game
#186 [01:55] <cestislife> jm, head to minecraft.net/download
#187 [01:55] <cestislife> Oh
#188 [01:55] <cestislife> You login to the launcher
#189 [01:55] <cestislife> :)
#190 [01:55] <cestislife> It'll then download the game
#191 [01:55] <jm> i log in but it says eror not downloaded
#192 [01:56] <cestislife> Logged in with your Mojang account?
#193 [01:56] <jm> i keep on logging to the launcher but it says error not downloaded
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#195 [01:58] <cestislife> jm, can you login on accounts.mojang.com or minecraft.net?
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#197 [02:00] <jm> the launcher keeps on saying log in failed
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#216 [03:41] <Lex> Is MCPE help available?
#217 [03:43] <cestislife> What is your problem, Lex?
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#226 [17:03] <helpme> diskdaemon:yes they are
#227 [17:04] <helpme> some guy made a payed account and made it a public account
#228 [17:04] <DiskDaemon> helpme: Please educate me on the topic
#229 [17:04] <CrusaderDeleters> They are public, but that's like giving the account to a random stranger. Someone will change the password, and change the email.
#230 [17:04] <helpme> that guy made a payed account that everyone can play on
#231 [17:04] <CrusaderDeleters> Then it won't be so public anymore.
#232 [17:05] <helpme> crusaderdeleter:he changes back the password every time someone changes it
#233 [17:05] <GreyVulpine> helpme - Is not legal in any means of the word.
#234 [17:05] <DiskDaemon> As I said, there are no legal (note the word, legal) public accounts. There is only someone who ahs paid for their account, and has put it out without permission from Mojang to be used by other people
#235 [17:06] <GreyVulpine> helpme - https://account.mojang.com/terms
#236 [17:06] <helpme> http://www.se7ensins.com/forums/threads/premium-minecraft-account-for-u-guys.713019/
#237 [17:06] <GreyVulpine> Read: "ONE MAJOR RULE"
#238 [17:06] <Marc_IRL> Hi. I'm the head of customer service at Mojang, AKA accounts guru. They're correct.
#239 [17:06] <GreyVulpine> Go ahead, read it, then come back to us and convince us that "public accounts" are legal under Mojang
#240 [17:06] <Marc_IRL> :-)
#241 [17:06] <helpme> http://www.se7ensins.com/forums/threads/premium-minecraft-account-for-u-guys.713019/ <go there
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#243 [17:06] <Kealper> can i ban him yet?
#244 [17:06] <GreyVulpine> Marc_IRL - Care to disable that account?
#245 [17:06] <Lutzee> Marc_IRL: I think you might want to reset that accounts password right? ;)
#246 [17:07] <DiskDaemon> helpme: Thank you for bringing this to our attention
#247 [17:07] <Marc_IRL> I've randomized the password
#248 [17:07] <Marc_IRL> The account owner will need to change it
#249 [17:07] * Kealper high-fives Marc_IRL
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#250 [17:07] <helpme_> back
#251 [17:08] <CrusaderDeleters> Marc: Won't solve anything. helpme told us that the owner will just change the password back.
#252 [17:08] * DiskDaemon gets popcorn
#252 [17:08] <Lutzee> Marc_IRL: there seems to be a few accounts on there btw
#253 [17:08] <CrusaderDeleters> :s
#254 [17:08] <Marc_IRL> Well I can't do much more than that
#255 [17:08] <helpme_> http://www.se7ensins.com/forums/threads/premium-minecraft-account-for-u-guys.713019/ just go there
#256 [17:08] <Marc_IRL> If people want to share their account, we can't really stop them.
#257 [17:08] <helpme_> exactly^
#258 [17:08] <ShaRose> you know
#259 [17:08] <skymoy> you can un-premium it and keep their money
#260 [17:08] <GreyVulpine> helpme - And if you read Mojang's terms of service, you'll notice that it violates it. [05:08.28pm] <@Marc_IRL> If people want to share their accoun
#261 [17:09] <GreyVulpine> er, bah
#262 [17:09] <ChinaSpice> I am getting a Failed to Login messgae that says "Fatal Error occurred (4): /var/ard/Library/Application Support/minecraft/bin/minecraft.jar. any ideas? Can't get in!
#263 [17:09] <GreyVulpine> https://account.mojang.com/terms
#264 [17:09] <ShaRose> yeah was gonna say I thought that was against TOS
#265 [17:09] <ShaRose> and as such, Marc_IRL can technically ban the account for it
#266 [17:09] <GreyVulpine> ChinaSpice - Go to /var/ard/Library/Application Support/minecraft/ and delete the bin folder
#267 [17:09] <helpme_> http://www.se7ensins.com/forums/threads/premium-minecraft-account-for-u-guys.713019/ <please click this
#268 [17:09] <Kealper> helpme_: go buy the game or quit asking for help in this chat, because what you're doing is only one step above pirating the game
#269 [17:09] <GreyVulpine> ChinaSpice - Then re-run minecraft
#270 [17:09] <Marc_IRL> Please stop posting the same link over and over again
#271 [17:09] * DiskDaemon kicked helpme from #minecrafthelp (Reason: elpme :That's enough advertising thanks)
#272 [17:09] <Kealper> helpme_: and please stop posting that link or it will lead to a ban from this channel
#273 [17:09] <Kealper> or that works too
#274 [17:09] <helpme_> ok
#275 [17:10] * GreyVulpine blinks
#275 [17:10] <helpme_> sorry
#276 [17:10] * DiskDaemon kicked helpme_ from #minecrafthelp (Reason: elpme_ :You too :))
#277 [17:10] <ChinaSpice> running mac os, where can i locate that..in library folder?
#278 [17:10] <skymoy> heh
#279 [17:10] <DiskDaemon> Damn, the apology came in too late
#280 [17:10] <skymoy> you kickbanned a ghost
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#282 [17:10] <skymoy> oh look
#283 [17:10] <Marc_IRL> We can't actually ban accounts either. I can refund them, but I've never really done that for a terms violation, just for legitimate reasons.
#284 [17:10] <helpme2> sorry i didnt know it was illegal
#285 [17:10] <Lord_Ralex> Marc_IRL, first time for everything ;)
#286 [17:10] <Lutzee> helpme2: Ban evading is also against the IRC networks terms
#287 [17:11] <skymoy> refund? just strip the premium and keep the money
#288 [17:11] <GreyVulpine> ChinaSpice - Is that the full path you got? If so, go to your desktop. Press your command+shift+G keys to bring up the Go to Folder Command.
#289 [17:11] <helpme2> lutzee:crap
#290 [17:11] <GreyVulpine> ChinaSpice - At the go to folder window, type in: /var/ard/Library/Application Support/minecraft/
#291 [17:11] <helpme2> just wanted to say sorry
#292 [17:11] <skymoy> you do have legal ground here
#293 [17:11] <ChinaSpice> yes, full screen message. I am trying now....
#294 [17:11] <helpme2> -just wanted to say sorry,bye-
#295 [17:11] <GreyVulpine> ChinaSpice - A window going to minecraft's directory should pop up, then delete the bin folder.
#296 [17:11] <Marc_IRL> skymoy: Our terms don't contain anything about that procedure, so I'm not going to de-premium an account and keep the money without having a good long chat with other people from the company
#297 [17:11] * VoxelHead kicked helpme2 from #minecrafthelp (Reason: elpme2 :Banned)
#298 [17:12] <Marc_IRL> It really is a minor issue overall
#299 [17:12] <Kealper> DiskDaemon: your client's banmasks are no good D:
#300 [17:12] <DiskDaemon> Kealper: I agree
#301 [17:13] <Lutzee> *!*@<hostmask> tend to be the most effective
#302 [17:13] <GreyVulpine> Marc_IRL - Piracy is one of my personal pet peeves here. Especially if people pass if off as a "trial" or "free offline mode"
#303 [17:13] <Marc_IRL> yeah, it irritates me too
#304 [17:13] <skymoy> Marc_IRL: well, (i'm not trying to convince you to do so) it's a ToS violation, and terminating service is pretty common when that happens for everything else
#305 [17:13] <Marc_IRL> But if people shut up about it, maybe they'd get away with it
#306 [17:13] <Marc_IRL> If they flaunt it in front of everyone, they're gonna get smacked
#307 [17:14] <ChinaSpice> GretVulpine--- THANK YOu! Back up and running. Thanks!
#308 [17:14] <GreyVulpine> I don't care if you pirate the game, just don't come to us when it stops working.
#309 [17:14] <GreyVulpine> ChinaSpice - Happy to hear it.
#310 [17:14] <Marc_IRL> I'm going through another thread on that forum, investigating whether or not we need to reset those passwords. And I think I'm getting the ability to lock accounts in the future, so that the buyer has to unlock it.
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#312 [17:14] <Kealper> neat
#313 [17:15] <Lutzee> Maybe multiple terms violations then..
#314 [17:15] <Kealper> i'd hate to be the mollstam that has to update the database to add that, but neat none-the-less
#315 [17:16] <CrusaderDeleters> Marc: Neat idea. Lock the account for a few days, with an email that they are violating the rules, and another offense may result in removal of premium.
#316 [17:18] <Marc_IRL> We really don't have the resources to police that kind of stuff
#317 [17:18] <Marc_IRL> When I reset a few hundred Nodus accounts, that was during my free time, because it was fun
#318 [17:18] <Kealper> lol
#319 [17:18] <skymoy> you don't need to police it, they come out and tell you about it to your face
#320 [17:19] <Marc_IRL> But hey, we have a new web dev, and two new CS temps, so things are looking up
#321 [17:19] <CrusaderDeleters> Banning's always fun
#322 [17:19] <Kealper> ^
#323 [17:19] <Kealper> trolling trolls, best kind of trolling
#324 [17:19] <CrusaderDeleters> Yes.
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#330 [17:25] <Lutzee> Marc_IRL: Seeing as its quiet atm, can i ask a quick question about what is happening with MM and server admins? :)
#331 [17:26] <Marc_IRL> server admins are on site in seattle
#332 [17:26] <Marc_IRL> players can donate to join the server
#333 [17:26] <CrusaderDeleters> MM?
#334 [17:27] <Lutzee> Minecraft marathon
#335 [17:27] <Marc_IRL> it's going to be a big donation, though, or else we'd have a billion people running around all the time
#336 [17:27] <CrusaderDeleters> Oh
#337 [17:27] <Kealper> MM just parses as "Might and Magic" in my head :<
#338 [17:27] <Wug> Marc_IRL: any chance of an autolockdown feature? (I dont know if you play any blizzard games but they do this. logins from unfamiliar locations automatically lock the account until it is reset by email confirmation)
#339 [17:27] <Marc_IRL> Wug: security questions already sort of accomplish that
#340 [17:27] <|Anthony|> is there any purpose to negative effect potions other than turning them into splash potions?
#341 [17:27] <Marc_IRL> Wug: they're added to mojang and minecraft accounts, and are scheduled to be added to the game eventually
#342 [17:27] <|Anthony|> a drinkable form seems pointless
#343 [17:27] <Wug> sweet
#344 [17:27] <Kealper> |Anthony|: not really, unless you wanted to harm yourself
#345 [17:28] <skymoy> anthony: suicidal steve clones?
#346 [17:28] <|Anthony|> lol
#347 [17:28] <CrusaderDeleters> Anthony: It's easier for the Mojang team to program
#348 [17:28] <|Anthony|> i'm trying to make an Alchemist class and am considering the use of potions atm
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#350 [17:28] <|Anthony|> and that is probably the honest answer CrusaderDeleters
#351 [17:28] <|Anthony|> lol
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#354 [17:28] <CrusaderDeleters> Programmers are made to be lazy, as hinted by my teacher.
#355 [17:29] <Kealper> ^
#356 [17:29] <Eddie> :(
#357 [17:29] <skymoy> hinted?
#358 [17:29] <CrusaderDeleters> We find the smallest things to shorten and make faster.
#359 [17:29] <|Anthony|> gotta have that folder of commonly used functions to grab from
#360 [17:29] <CrusaderDeleters> Yep
#361 [17:29] <|Anthony|> a programmers tool box so to speak
#362 [17:30] <CrusaderDeleters> I made my own method to shorten System.out.print.
#363 [17:30] <Kealper> lol
#364 [17:30] <CrusaderDeleters> That's how lazy we ar.e
#365 [17:30] <Kealper> if i was using Java, i totally would too
#366 [17:30] <Kealper> that's just entirely too long to get some simple debug output
#367 [17:30] <CrusaderDeleters> I make it: sop(string);
#368 [17:30] <Wug> System.out.println is an abomination
#369 [17:30] <|Anthony|> and too lazy to backspace and fix the period ;)
#370 [17:30] <Wug> lets take the thing programmers are going to type MORE THAN ANY OTHER POSSIBLE THING
#371 [17:31] <Wug> the most basic of all output statements, used to verify functionality all the way down to subsnippets
#372 [17:31] <Wug> and lets make it 30 letters long
#373 [17:31] <Kealper> i guess that's my beef with Java in general... it's so.. verbose
#374 [17:31] <Wug> and put a capital letter in it
#375 [17:31] <CrusaderDeleters> Wug: The only thing they could have shortened without a seperate method was println.
#376 [17:31] <|Anthony|> camelCase fTw
#377 [17:31] <Wug> sys.p would be acceptible
#378 [17:31] <CrusaderDeleters> Yes.
#379 [17:32] <skymoy> fTW*
#380 [17:32] <CrusaderDeleters> our just print
#381 [17:32] <Kealper> or even sys.print
#382 [17:32] <CrusaderDeleters> or just print**
#383 [17:32] <Wug> sys.pl for println
#384 [17:32] <Kealper> Go does it as fmt.Print and fmt.Println
#385 [17:32] <CrusaderDeleters> Or even sop?
#386 [17:32] <Wug> Object.println
#387 [17:32] <CrusaderDeleters> sop();
#388 [17:32] <Wug> make it available in all classes
#389 [17:32] <Kealper> lol
#390 [17:32] <CrusaderDeleters> Yeah
#391 [17:32] <ShaRose> System.printLine
#392 [17:33] <|Anthony|> you know it's intentionally semantic, so people can read it
#393 [17:33] <CrusaderDeleters> Format it for every java.lang variable type
#394 [17:33] <ShaRose> aka sy(tab)pri(tab)
#395 [17:33] <|Anthony|> and remember it
#396 [17:33] <Wug> The only reason I dont complain about C#'s WriteLine is that
#397 [17:33] <Wug> VISUAL
#398 [17:33] <Wug> STUDIO
#399 [17:33] <Wug> SUPPORTS
#400 [17:33] <Wug> TAB COMPLETE
#401 [17:33] <Wug> WITHOUT
#402 [17:33] <Wug> ADDONS
#403 [17:33] <|Anthony|> lmao
#404 [17:33] <Kealper> rofl
#405 [17:33] <skymoy> <3 tab complete
#406 [17:33] <Kealper> ^
#407 [17:33] <ShaRose> Wug also resharper
#408 [17:33] <|Anthony|> indeed
#409 [17:33] <ShaRose> you haven't used VS
#410 [17:33] <ShaRose> until you've used it with resharper
#411 [17:34] <Wug> does that just add refactoring
#412 [17:34] <Wug> or the thing that eclipse calls refactorig
#413 [17:34] <Wug> even though it isnt really
#414 [17:34] <Lutzee> I was meant to try get a parrot drone flying from my laptop tonight.. eh
#415 [17:34] <ShaRose> no it adds a load of really neat things
#416 [17:35] <ShaRose> mostly a boatload of really good refactoring
#417 [17:35] <ShaRose> like changing a method body with a buttload of for loops into a single linq query
#418 [17:35] <ShaRose> stuff like that
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#423 [17:39] <Marc_IRL> http://www.se7ensins.com/forums/threads/minecraft-community-accounts.503213/page-16
#424 [17:39] <Marc_IRL> *trollface*
#425 [17:40] <ShaRose> ho ho ho
#426 [17:40] <ShaRose> I want to watch that topic now
#427 [17:40] <ShaRose> to see the responses
#428 [17:40] * Kealper bookmarks that
#428 [17:41] <CrusaderDeleters> *claps*
#429 [17:41] <ShaRose> my question is why didn't you link the post ID
#430 [17:41] <ShaRose> instead of the page
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#432 [17:41] <ShaRose> http://www.se7ensins.com/forums/threads/minecraft-community-accounts.503213/page-16#post-6402993 don't scroll me bro
#433 [17:41] * Lutzee bookmarks
#433 [17:42] <gr8rix> Hi there! I purchased minecraft for my son back in
#434 [17:42] <gr8rix> December and we have been unsuccessful in being able to play the game due to some java issue
#435 [17:43] <gr8rix> that we are unable to resolve
#436 [17:43] <skymoy> we know that last part, other wise you wouldn't be here: what's the exact error?
#437 [17:43] <CrusaderDeleters> ShaRose: http://i.imgur.com/TZgKmPF.png I took a picture of it. :)
#438 [17:43] <CrusaderDeleters> gr8rix: What exactly happens?
#439 [17:44] <skymoy> ..why did you take a picture?
#440 [17:44] <ShaRose> why'd you take such a POOR picture is the question on my mind
#441 [17:44] <gr8rix> hold on I will have to try again. it has been a while since I have tried for him
#442 [17:45] <CrusaderDeleters> Sha, Sky: Well, because I only Ctrl + Print Screened.
#443 [17:45] <skymoy> that didn't answer my question
#444 [17:46] <skymoy> that explained what lead up to my question
#445 [17:46] <CrusaderDeleters> Sky: Because I felt like it... is that good? XD
#446 [17:46] <Kealper> skymoy: my guess is incase they delete it?
#447 [17:46] <Boreeas> CrusaderDeleters: Holy shit what desktop manager are you using
#448 [17:46] <gr8rix> well now it is saying that we are not premium, however I have the receipt, order id and transaction #'s
#449 [17:46] <Kealper> Boreeas: Windows Classic, it looks like :P
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#451 [17:46] <CrusaderDeleters> Boreeas: I'm using Windows 7 with the built-in layout of 95
#452 [17:47] <CrusaderDeleters> You can change it in the settings
#453 [17:47] <Boreeas> ಠ_ಠ
#454 [17:47] * Lutzee switched to XFCE recently
#454 [17:47] * Kealper loves the heck out of Cinnamon
#454 [17:47] <CrusaderDeleters> Also, the Colors are customized
#455 [17:47] <skymoy> W95 had an awesome setup for graphics. even if it is very square
#456 [17:47] <CrusaderDeleters> Yes
#457 [17:47] <CrusaderDeleters> Which is why I kept it this way. :P
#458 [17:47] <jp> i need helped it said minecraft had crashed
#459 [17:48] <skymoy> he said in a minecraft-centric channel
#460 [17:48] <Lutzee> Kealper: I'd like cinnamon more if it played nice with multi monitors on my AMD 7850 :<
#461 [17:48] <gr8rix> is there anyway to contact costumer service on the phone?
#462 [17:48] <skymoy> no
#463 [17:48] <jp> ya i need that
#464 [17:48] <jp> y
#465 [17:48] <Kealper> gr8rix: customer support is Marc_IRL in here :P
#466 [17:48] <skymoy> are you logging in correctly, gr8rix?
#467 [17:48] <gr8rix> oh
#468 [17:48] <Kealper> jp: is there any sort of crash report that gets made?
#469 [17:48] <Marc_IRL> hmm?
#470 [17:48] <ShaRose> Kealper ssssh
#471 [17:48] <jp> so i cant play minecraft
#472 [17:49] <skymoy> that is, with the right username/email
#473 [17:49] * Kealper tosses Marc_IRL under the bus and runs
#473 [17:49] <gr8rix> well apparently we are not premium even though I purchased the game
#474 [17:49] <gr8rix> yes
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#476 [17:49] <jp> i bought the game and then it said minecraft has crashed
#477 [17:49] <gr8rix> it is this user id and our password
#478 [17:49] <gr8rix> ?
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#480 [17:49] <skymoy> jp, we need the error report
#481 [17:50] <Marc_IRL> Are you logging in with your Mojang account email and password?
#482 [17:50] <jp> ok
#483 [17:50] <Marc_IRL> It says password, but that's outdated
#484 [17:50] <Marc_IRL> er, username. It says username.
#485 [17:50] <jp> im trying to play the demo
#486 [17:50] <Kealper> jp: if you bought the game, why are you trying to play the demo?
#487 [17:50] <skymoy> gr8rix: use the email and then copy the error for us
#488 [17:50] <gr8rix> would that be my email and password? sorry I am his mom and trying to figure all this out
#489 [17:51] <jp> because i cant play the game i bought
#490 [17:51] <Kealper> gr8rix: whatever email was used when creating the account would be what you use in the "Username" spot of the game
#491 [17:51] <gr8rix> login in to the launcher or or the mojang website?
#492 [17:51] <Marc_IRL> all services
#493 [17:51] <skymoy> launcher
#494 [17:51] <Kealper> jp: could you try playing the full version, and leave it right there when it says "Minecraft has crashed!" and tell us?
#495 [17:52] <jp> i am on a windows 8 computer
#496 [17:52] <skymoy> jp: that's great. could you tell us the error now? the thing we keep asking for
#497 [17:52] <jp> what is the error
#498 [17:52] <skymoy> ...
#499 [17:53] <Marc_IRL> that's a great question
#500 [17:53] <gr8rix> omg! i am sorry guys. i was using his login and not mine. thanks so much for your help!
#501 [17:53] <Kealper> jp: please follow what i said previously, and we can figure that out :o
#502 [17:53] <Kealper> jp: but we can't help unless we have an idea of what is going wrong, and that "Minecraft has crashed!" screen can give us a glimpse of what is going wrong
#503 [17:53] <skymoy> gr8rix: is there still an issue with java? or are you able to play now?
#504 [17:55] <jp> i play off line and still keep going start though saying done loading and it turns to a black screen
#505 [17:56] <Kealper> jp: is it.. giving you any sorts of errors while logging in?
#506 [17:57] * Kealper thinks he was probably pirating it and not wanting to admit it
#506 [17:58] * skymoy thinks he installed a mod that crashed then messed something up trying to "fix" it and just forced an update
#506 [17:58] * Lord_Ralex thinks everyone is insane
#506 [17:58] * Kealper Kealper
#506 [17:58] * skymoy is quite insane
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#517 [18:22] <dwiggs> I was trying to purchase minecraft and went through the steps on the credit card screen but I have nothing to download. I did see a order/receipt number but no email?
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#526 [18:42] <cadegunner> hello
#527 [18:42] <cadegunner> i hav a problem when i set up a minecraft server
#528 [18:43] <cadegunner> when i type /stop in the window tht firsts pops up
#529 [18:44] <cadegunner> it deletes the server.log.lck file
#530 [18:44] <Lutzee> you dont need the / in the server console
#531 [18:44] <cadegunner> can you pls help me?
#532 [18:44] <cadegunner> oh
#533 [18:44] <Lutzee> That file is only a temporary file
#534 [18:44] <Lutzee> Its there to stop files being deleted while the server is running
#535 [18:44] <cadegunner> thne how do i reopen the Main program
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#537 [18:45] <Lutzee> You run the program again?
#538 [18:45] <Lutzee> The same way you first started it
#539 [18:45] <cadegunner> clickthe download?
#540 [18:46] <IpOkEu97> Hey I need some help with my minecraft, when i go to open it it doesnt do anything, its like i didnt even click on it. I have re-installed java and minecraft still nothing, can anyone help?
#541 [18:46] <cadegunner> cuz i did tht and it made a different world
#542 [18:46] <cadegunner> so...
#543 [18:47] <cadegunner> oh Hello IpO
#544 [18:47] <IpOkEu97> hello
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#546 [18:48] <IpOkEu97> Hey I need some help with my minecraft, when i go to open it it doesnt do anything, its like i didnt even click on it. I have re-installed java and minecraft still nothing, can anyone help?
#547 [18:49] <cadegunner> ...
#548 [18:49] <cadegunner> i think the help guy is gone
#549 [18:49] <cadegunner> or typing something long
#550 [18:49] <IpOkEu97> damn who is the help guy, Lutzee?
#551 [18:50] <cadegunner> ya
#552 [18:50] <Lutzee> You should have saved the download cadegunner
#553 [18:50] <cadegunner> i did
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#555 [18:50] <cadegunner> but when i reopen it it changes the world
#556 [18:50] <adbyers58> hellp
#557 [18:50] <Lutzee> It shouldn't
#558 [18:51] <adbyers58> please
#559 [18:51] <cadegunner> well.....
#560 [18:51] <cadegunner> it does
#561 [18:51] <Lutzee> cadegunner: save it to its own folder and move the old world there
#562 [18:51] <adbyers58> my minecraft says crash unable to launch game
#563 [18:51] <adbyers58> please help
#564 [18:51] <adbyers58> ---- Minecraft Crash Report ---- // Quite honestly, I wouldn't worry myself about that. Time: 2/4/13 5:47 PM Description: Failed to start game java.lang.NullPointerException at cpw.mods.fml.common.registry.EntityRegistry.doModEntityRegistration(EntityRegistry.java:159) at cpw.mods.fml.common.registry.EntityRegistry.registerModLoaderEntity(EntityRegistry.java:376) at cpw.mods.fml.common.modloader.ModLoaderHelper.buildEntity
#565 [18:51] <Lutzee> adbyers58: if you get an crash report please share it via pastebin
#566 [18:51] <IpOkEu97> your lucky mine wont even go that far
#567 [18:51] <Lutzee> Or it smods..
#568 [18:51] <adbyers58> this happened
#569 [18:51] <Lutzee> ??> adbyers58 mods
#570 [18:51] <VoxelHead> adbyers58: (mods) This channel is not a venue for mod support, or support for modded clients or servers. As it is impossible for anybody to know every combination of mods out there, this channel does not assist with unofficial third-party modded content.
#571 [18:51] <adbyers58> oh ok
#572 [18:51] <VoxelHead> adbyers58: (mods) For single player mods, contact the mod's creator or try http://tiny.cc/modinstall for general installation instructions. For bukkit help, use #bukkit; you can also search Google for a mod's installation instructions.
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#574 [18:52] <cadegunner> save the download to it's own folder?
#575 [18:52] <Lutzee> IpOkEu97: Sounds like you might have a broken java installation, what Operating system do you use?
#576 [18:52] <Lutzee> cadegunner: yes
#577 [18:52] <cadegunner> ah
#578 [18:52] <cadegunner> ok
#579 [18:52] <cadegunner> afk
#580 [18:52] <IpOkEu97> Im using win7 64 bit
#581 [18:52] <cadegunner> well i'm going to try tht
#582 [18:53] <cadegunner> if i return it doesn't work
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#586 [18:54] <IpOkEu97> and i did verify java on their website
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#594 [18:55] <redhare> www.minecraft.net wont accept my login information, but the client has no problem and lets me play just fine, any ideas anyone?
#595 [18:57] <redhare> Anybody? Anything?
#596 [18:57] <cestislife> redhare, log in on the mojang site, then go to minecraft.net
#597 [18:57] <redhare> I cant
#598 [18:57] <cestislife> Why not?
#599 [18:57] <redhare> It wont accept my login information
#600 [18:57] <cestislife> account.mojang.com?
#601 [18:57] <IpOkEu97> Lutzee im running win7 64bit
#602 [18:58] <Lutzee> IpOkEu97: uninstall all of java then reinstall the latest
#603 [18:58] <IpOkEu97> I already did that like 3 times now and still nothing
#604 [18:58] <redhare> Yes Cestis
#605 [18:59] <redhare> It says it's invalid
#606 [18:59] <Lutzee> okay try using the jar launcher on minecraft.net/download
#607 [18:59] <Lutzee> direct link:
#608 [18:59] <Lutzee> ?? linux/client
#609 [18:59] <VoxelHead> linux/client: http://www.minecraft.net/download/minecraft.jar
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#611 [19:00] <mq521> Anyone using MultiMC?
#612 [19:01] <IpOkEu97> Still nothing
#613 [19:01] <mq521> I have a problem with it not loading Optifine if I patch with MCPatcher
#614 [19:01] <cestislife> redhare, probably a server hiccup, logging in with your email right?
#615 [19:01] <redhare> username
#616 [19:01] <redhare> not email
#617 [19:02] <cestislife> You login using your email.
#618 [19:02] <Lord_Ralex> mq521, we don't support 3rd party launcher or mods
#619 [19:02] <mq521> Is there a channel for that then?
#620 [19:02] <redhare> I've never had to use my email literally ever before
#621 [19:02] <cestislife> redhare, you have not migrated your account?
#622 [19:02] <cestislife> Then that might be the problem.
#623 [19:02] <redhare> Never saw a reason to
#624 [19:02] <Lord_Ralex> mq521, uh, off the top of my head, there probably is, but don't know what it is
#625 [19:02] <redhare> I couldn't migrate now if I wanted to anyway
#626 [19:02] <cestislife> They're slowly phasing out minecraft.net accounts.
#627 [19:03] <redhare> Well
#628 [19:03] <redhare> It's still doesn't really explain why the client works just fine
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#630 [19:03] <cestislife> I have no clue either :)
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#632 [19:03] <cestislife> Again, it might be a server hiccup
#633 [19:03] <redhare> Sooo, I guess I'm screwed. Cool.
#634 [19:03] <cestislife> Wait an hour or two.
#635 [19:04] <redhare> This was happening yesterday too.
#636 [19:04] <cestislife> Let me try logging in with my unmigrated account.
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#639 [19:04] <cestislife> redhare, it works just fine.
#640 [19:05] <redhare> Yeah, it's just somehow my account that is having a weird problem that nobody can explain
#641 [19:05] <IpOkEu97> Lutzee still nothing is happening
#642 [19:05] <cestislife> Wish I can explain, but I simply do not know why.
#643 [19:06] <Lutzee> IpOkEu97: Do you know how to open command prompt?
#644 [19:06] <IpOkEu97> indeed i do
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#646 [19:06] <Lutzee> okay, open it and run java -version
#647 [19:06] <Jimbo> Hello
#648 [19:06] <Lutzee> and tell me the output
#649 [19:06] <Jimbo> my account is blocked or I dont know
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#651 [19:07] <Jimbo> I just reset my pass and now try to connect but no result
#652 [19:07] <IpOkEu97> 6.1.7601
#653 [19:07] <IpOkEu97> duh
#654 [19:07] <IpOkEu97> wrong thing
#655 [19:07] <IpOkEu97> 1.7.3_13
#656 [19:07] <IpOkEu97> is the java version
#657 [19:07] <Lutzee> Okay... well java is on the path
#658 [19:07] <Lutzee> you know how to navigate to where you have the launcher?
#659 [19:08] <IpOkEu97> not really like the .minecraft folder?
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#661 [19:08] <Lutzee> Where you have the minecraft.exe
#662 [19:08] <IpOkEu97> okay then yes
#663 [19:08] <wolf020904> i can build blocks but cannot delete them. I already forced update but it still wont work . Can you help?
#664 [19:08] <Lutzee> okay navigate there in the command prompt
#665 [19:08] <wolf020904> cant delete blocks
#666 [19:09] <Jimbo> I need help... Iis there a administrator here ^]
#667 [19:09] <Lutzee> then run java -jar Minecraft.exe
#668 [19:10] <wolf020904> anybody here?
#669 [19:10] <Lutzee> wolf020904: Have your changed the keybindings at all?
#670 [19:10] <wolf020904> what is a keybinding?
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#674 [19:10] <wolf020904> I havent changed anything knowingly !
#675 [19:10] <cadegunner> hey hey hey
#676 [19:10] <Lutzee> the key config in the options
#677 [19:10] <cadegunner> i'm back
#678 [19:11] <wolf020904> they all say button 1
#679 [19:11] <cadegunner> and it worked!!!
#680 [19:11] <cadegunner> thx
#681 [19:11] <cadegunner> but
#682 [19:11] <Lutzee> wolf020904: thought so..
#683 [19:11] <cadegunner> how do i find the server ip adress
#684 [19:11] <Lutzee> ??> wolf020904 deloptions
#685 [19:11] <VoxelHead> wolf020904: (deloptions) You may need to reset your Minecraft settings to default. To do so, open your .minecraft directory and delete the files called 'options.txt'.
#686 [19:11] <Lutzee> ??> wolf020904 win/.minecraft
#687 [19:11] <Jimbo> I reset my password, and now try to connect and didnt work
#688 [19:11] <VoxelHead> wolf020904: (win/.minecraft) To get at Minecraft's locally stored files on Windows, press Win+R, and in the window that appears, type "%AppData%\.minecraft", and click OK.
#689 [19:12] <Jimbo> I reset my password, and now try to connect and didnt work
#690 [19:12] <Jimbo> I reset my password, and now try to connect and didnt work
#691 [19:12] <Jimbo> I reset my password, and now try to connect and didnt work
#692 [19:12] <Jimbo> I reset my password, and now try to connect and didnt work
#693 [19:12] <Lutzee> Jimbo: please be patient
#694 [19:12] <cadegunner> how do i find the ip adress for my server?
#695 [19:12] <Lutzee> cadegunner: Which IP address, local or external?
#696 [19:13] <wolf020904> ok deleted options text folder and it still wont work
#697 [19:13] <Jimbo> for how many time ^
#698 [19:13] <Lutzee> wolf020904: you have restarted the game?
#699 [19:13] <wolf020904> oh no, let me restart. sorry
#700 [19:13] <Lutzee> Jimbo: what error do you get?
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#702 [19:13] <cadegunner> it's local
#703 [19:13] <Jimbo> I forgot my pass, soo a rest by mailing systeme
#704 [19:14] <wolf020904> That worked lutzee and voxel - thanks so much!
#705 [19:14] <Jimbo> now I try to connect with my new pass and didnt work
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#707 [19:14] <Lutzee> cadegunner: you can find your PCs local IP by running ipconfig /all in command prompt
#708 [19:14] <IpOkEu97> Lutzee okay im in the .minecraft folder in the cmd but idk were to go now
#709 [19:14] <cadegunner> pk thank you
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#711 [19:15] <Lutzee> IpOkEu97: not the .minecraft folder
#712 [19:15] <Lutzee> Wherever you have your exe launcher
#713 [19:15] <Kealper> Jimbo: you'll have to take steps at http://help.mojang.com then, we're only volunteers and can not help with account issues
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#715 [19:16] <Jimbo> a Have a premium account and when I connect its said plaid demo...
#716 [19:17] <Jimbo> weirdo
#717 [19:17] <Jimbo> but thx
#718 [19:17] <Lutzee> Sounds like the account isnt paid for
#719 [19:17] <Lutzee> Have you chosen a username yet?
#720 [19:18] <IpOkEu97> okay i typed in start minecraft.exe and nothing happened
#721 [19:18] <Lutzee> What did cmd say?
#722 [19:18] <IpOkEu97> it just did nothing just popped up another command line where i can type in a command
#723 [19:18] <Jimbo> yes I bue the game online
#724 [19:19] <Lutzee> java -jar minecraft.exe did absolutely nothing? :|
#725 [19:19] <IpOkEu97> correct
#726 [19:19] <Lutzee> Jimbo: what was the username?
#727 [19:19] <Jimbo> Jimbo__666
#728 [19:19] <Lutzee> IpOkEu97: then something is really broken somewhere
#729 [19:19] <Jimbo> lock__666@hotmail.com
#730 [19:20] <Lutzee> And i still suspect its java
#731 [19:20] <Lutzee> ??> IpOkEu97 win.javara
#732 [19:20] <Lutzee> ??> IpOkEu97 win/javara
#733 [19:20] <VoxelHead> IpOkEu97: (win/javara) JavaRa is a tool for removing broken Java installations. If your java installation is failing with errors, running JavaRa might clear them up.
#734 [19:20] <VoxelHead> IpOkEu97: (win/javara) JavaRa's info is at http://singularlabs.com/software/javara/
#735 [19:20] <Lutzee> !paid Jimbo_666
#736 [19:20] <IpOkEu97> i just did it again and a cmd popped up but nothing else
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#738 [19:20] <Kealper> Jimbo: as i've said before, we can't help with account issues here, none of us work for Mojang
#739 [19:20] <Lutzee> what
#740 [19:20] <Kealper> wat
#741 [19:20] <Jimbo> so my account is paid or no ^
#742 [19:21] <Lutzee> Jimbo: apparently not
#743 [19:21] <Kealper> oh, wow... Mojang must be having some issues right now
#744 [19:21] <Lutzee> Kealper: really?
#745 [19:21] <Jimbo> its one time by years^
#746 [19:21] <Jimbo> I paid whith visa last summer 2011
#747 [19:22] <Kealper> Lutzee: that's my guess, the site probably took ages to respond, AuBot's !paid command blocks until the site returns or hits a 20-second timeout
#748 [19:22] <Jimbo> Sometimes, when a purchase is made with a credit or debit card, Moneybookers will send you an email requesting that you verify certain information for security purposes
#749 [19:22] <Lutzee> Jimbo: http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/329541-my-account-is-no-longer-premium
#750 [19:22] <Jimbo> its what a found on the web site
#751 [19:22] <Lutzee> Kealper: AuBot has been slow in here for ages for some reason
#752 [19:22] <Lutzee> but other chans its fine
#753 [19:22] <Kealper> hmm
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#755 [19:22] <Kealper> !paid Kealper
#756 [19:22] <Kealper> seems fine now, not sure what was up with that
#757 [19:23] <IpOkEu97> Okay I tried using that Javara thing and it said that its all clean and i have the latest java but minecraft will still not load
#758 [19:23] <Jimbo> I always erase my message...
#759 [19:23] <Jimbo> its stupid... so I didnt confirme so they canceld my purchass
#760 [19:23] <Lutzee> Kealper: yep its pretty odd, also IpOkEu97s game wont start, and a java command in cmd does nothing.. but java -version returns fine
#761 [19:24] * Kealper thinks
#761 [19:24] <Lutzee> Jimbo: You can contact moneybookers here to get your transaction ID https://www.moneybookers.com/app/help.pl?s=contact
#762 [19:25] <Kealper> lol... .pl
#763 [19:25] <Kealper> i'm surprized such a large site uses Perl.. i'd hate to see their production servers' process lists
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#765 [19:26] <Jimbo> so lame
#766 [19:26] <Jimbo> no thank you
#767 [19:26] <Jimbo> I just simply never ever play that game
#768 [19:26] <Jimbo> its suck
#769 [19:26] <Jimbo> but thk you volonteer
#770 [19:26] <Veiga> Can anyone lend me a key to Hunger Games I play with my friends? pvt.
#771 [19:27] <Lutzee> Veiga: Nope.
#772 [19:27] <Kealper> Veiga: this isn't the place to ask for accounts
#773 [19:27] <IpOkEu97> any other suggestions for my game?
#774 [19:27] <IpOkEu97> why it isnt loading
#775 [19:27] <Kealper> IpOkEu97: ever heard of TeamViewer?
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#777 [19:28] <IpOkEu97> yup i have it on my compuet
#778 [19:28] <IpOkEu97> computer*
#779 [19:28] <Kealper> IpOkEu97: would you like to give that a try and have me see if i can get it working?
#780 [19:28] <IpOkEu97> sure
#781 [19:28] <Kealper> IpOkEu97: we'll take the rest of this to private messages
#782 [19:28] <IpOkEu97> okay
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#796 [19:37] <Guest19599> i have a question
#797 [19:37] <Guest19599> i just downloaded minecraft
#798 [19:38] <Guest19599> for my pc and after i log in the screen is black and white and blank
#799 [19:39] <tampex> lool
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#803 [19:40] <komex> tampex
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#805 [19:41] <tampex> loool
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#807 [19:41] <Veiga> where I can buy a minecraft original account in Brazil?
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#811 [19:50] <Kealper> Lutzee: for future reference, he had a highly-customized theme installed on his computer and Swing was having absolutely none of that
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#814 [19:51] <Lutzee> Kealper: ahh..
#815 [19:51] <kim> i can not join games when i go to multiplayer settings
#816 [19:52] <mattym> are you putting the server addresses in correctly?
#817 [19:53] <kim> i have tried
#818 [19:53] <mattym> do you have an example of one you have tried
#819 [19:53] <kim> my brother is on a computer next to me in a world and i can not join him
#820 [19:54] <mattym> ok, what antivirus do you use?
#821 [19:54] <kim> norton
#822 [19:54] <kim> i have been using it, and everything was fine until yesterday
#823 [19:54] <mattym> well try turning off norton and see if it works then
#824 [19:55] <kim> ok
#825 [19:55] <mattym> an update may have caused an issue
#826 [19:55] <kim> what should i do
#827 [19:55] <mattym> first try dissabling Norton, then try to connect again
#828 [19:55] <kim> ok
#829 [19:55] <mattym> let us know what happens
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#832 [20:03] <kim> i think i disabled my norton but i still cant join
#833 [20:04] <mattym> ok, well that was just to see if that was causeing the issue
#834 [20:04] <mattym> have you made any other changes since the last time you had it working?
#835 [20:04] <kim> i dont think so
#836 [20:04] <mattym> do you and your brother often play on the same servers?
#837 [20:05] <kim> yes
#838 [20:06] <mattym> what happens when you try to join? What does it say
#839 [20:06] <Lutzee> cd ..
#840 [20:06] <Lutzee> oops
#841 [20:06] <kim> when i go to multiplayer it says it searching
#842 [20:06] <Lord_Ralex> Lutzee, we are not a terminal
#843 [20:06] <kim> and nothing appears
#844 [20:06] <Kealper> Lutzee: lol
#845 [20:07] <Lutzee> Lord_Ralex: Thats what i get for switching workspace haha
#846 [20:07] <kim> but my brother did lan world
#847 [20:07] * Lutzee returns to trying to get commonc++ to compile
#847 [20:07] <mattym> did he open the game up
#848 [20:07] <kim> yea
#849 [20:07] <kim> yea
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#851 [20:09] <mattym> anyone else have any ideas for kim?
#852 [20:09] <kim> yesterday i tried to join my friends world and it said
#853 [20:09] <kim> you need fml mod loader
#854 [20:10] <mattym> thats a modded server
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#856 [20:14] <kim> still didnt work
#857 [20:15] <kim> nothing happened when i did force update
#858 [20:15] <mattym> did it redownload the files?
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#860 [20:15] <kim> no
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#862 [20:16] <kim> is a modded server bad?
#863 [20:16] <mattym> close the program, choose to force update, login then try again
#864 [20:18] <mattym> mods cause lots of issues if you dont install them properly, thats why this channel doesnt handle mod questions, but if you want to play on your lan sever and it isnt modded you should use a clean copy of minecraft, the force update option gives you a clean coppy
#865 [20:19] <kim> when i choose force update, i hit the done button and the little window just closes....no numbers appear or anything
#866 [20:19] <mattym> you need to login
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#868 [20:19] <kim> i did,, and i tried to join my brothers lan world and nothing happens
#869 [20:19] <kim> it just keeps searching....
#870 [20:20] <mattym> you are on the same network right?
#871 [20:20] <kim> yes, you mean router? we are in the same house same internet,
#872 [20:20] <kim> just different laptops
#873 [20:20] <mattym> then that should work
#874 [20:21] <CraftyFish> I accidently upgraded.. I would like to play on my server. What's the best way to downgrade to 1.2.5?
#875 [20:21] <mattym> and you have joined a lan game before without problems
#876 [20:21] <mattym> CraftyFish: Look into the program called MCNostalgia
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#878 [20:22] <CraftyFish> Matty- Does that actually work? Reliable? Figure I would come here before downloading it.
#879 [20:22] <mattym> ive used it before
#880 [20:22] <kim> yes
#881 [20:22] <mattym> its easier than some of the other methods
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#883 [20:23] <CraftyFish> Thanks guys. craftyfish .. out.
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#885 [20:23] <mattym> ok kim all i can say is try restarting your computer, cause your router may have assigned you a duplicate IP or something
#886 [20:25] <kim> ok
#887 [20:25] <kim> u mean we cant play each other
#888 [20:26] <kim> i looked under recent downloads....
#889 [20:26] <kim> and i found a download from yesterday that said partial download and i deleted it
#890 [20:26] <kim> then it did the force update but still didn't join his lan world
#891 [20:26] <mattym> you should be able to, but it seems like something not related to minecraft is wrong with your internet network, so try restarting you computer and try again
#892 [20:27] <kim> ok
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#896 [20:40] <ganer> How to get too many items mod.
#897 [20:40] <cestislife> ?? mods
#898 [20:40] <VoxelHead> mods: This channel is not a venue for mod support, or support for modded clients or servers. As it is impossible for anybody to know every combination of mods out there, this channel does not assist with unofficial third-party modded content.
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#900 [20:40] <VoxelHead> mods: For single player mods, contact the mod's creator or try http://tiny.cc/modinstall for general installation instructions. For bukkit help, use #bukkit; you can also search Google for a mod's installation instructions.
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#907 [20:53] <hoopstar38> hi i bought minecraft and i have yet to recive my confermation email
#908 [20:54] <mattym> how long ago
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#910 [20:55] <phigamm815> i am not able to play multiplayer in minecraft. LAN is not working
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#912 [20:55] <phigamm815> i am not able to play multiplayer in minecraft. LAN is not working
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#915 [20:57] <phigamm815> i am not able to play multiplayer in minecraft. LAN is not working
#916 [20:57] <mattym> you can keep saying that, its not gonna fix the problem
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#918 [20:57] <phigamm815> hello?
#919 [20:57] <mattym> if LAN isnt working your internet settings probably arent set correctly
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#921 [20:58] <danny_> whats the difference between the free virsion of minecraft and the paid version
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#923 [20:58] <mattym> danny_: what do you mean by free, the demo or classig?
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#927 [20:58] <danny_> classic
#928 [20:59] <WhereIsMySpoon> danny_: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110213212848AAWnXmC
#929 [20:59] <mattym> way too many differences to list
#930 [20:59] <WhereIsMySpoon> google pls
#931 [21:00] <hoopstar38> hi so i bought minecraft 4-5 work days ago and i have not recived a confermation email yet i have the receipt but no email to register the user name
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#934 [21:01] <Aburge> how do i make a zip file for mc edit?
#935 [21:01] <mattym> hoopstar38: any chance u used the wrong email when you purchased it?
#936 [21:01] <Tonyb317> Hello, I am relatively new to Minecraft and I am having trouble downloading a map. Its a Medieval town map I got from Minecraft forums and it is on my desktop in a folder. How should I like install the map so I can play on it.
#937 [21:01] <mattym> Tonyb317: You need to put it in your minecraft maps folder
#938 [21:01] <danny__> hpw do i install mods and texture packs
#939 [21:01] <hoopstar38> nope i have checked and it is right
#940 [21:01] <Aburge> how do i make a zip file for mcedit
#941 [21:02] <Tonyb317> Where is that? Is that in like the Bin folder or something?
#942 [21:02] <Aburge> ?
#943 [21:02] <danny__> :|
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#946 [21:02] <mattym> Tonyb317: Its in teh same folder that the Bin folder is in
#947 [21:02] <Aburge> how do i make a zip file for mcedit
#948 [21:02] <Tonyb317> Okay thank you
#949 [21:02] <mattym> Aburge: We dont handle those kinds of questions here
#950 [21:02] <Aburge> ok
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#952 [21:02] <Aburge> where do i go for it?
#953 [21:03] <mattym> see if MCEdit has a forum or its own channel
#954 [21:03] <Aburge> or do i type it in on google
#955 [21:03] <Aburge> k bye'
#956 [21:03] <mattym> or ask the question in the MCedit forum page
#957 [21:03] <mattym> or ask the question in the MCedit forum page
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#959 [21:03] <hoopstar38> so what do i do if i payed for it but i still cant do anything with it
#960 [21:03] <mattym> one second
#961 [21:03] <hoopstar38> ok
#962 [21:04] <mattym> http://help.mojang.com/
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#964 [21:04] <mattym> one of the items on that page should direct you on how to get them to reconfirm
#965 [21:06] <hoopstar38> the reson i am here is because i have had no luck with the help.mojang.com
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#969 [21:07] <mattym> have you tried submitting a help form http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/emails/new
#970 [21:07] <hoopstar38> alright
#971 [21:07] <mattym> thats really the only help we can give with an issue like that
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#977 [21:12] <rizzlekas> I am trying to decide if I should purchase the full version and when i try to play the demo version it crashes immediately upon loading. I am working with a macbook pro. What can I do?
#978 [21:12] <mattym> from what i understand there are some issues with Mac and video drivers
#979 [21:13] <mattym> this channel has a help script for it but i forgot the keyword for it
#980 [21:14] <rizzlekas> sooooo......what should I do?
#981 [21:14] <mattym> if no one else chimes in with it, try googling for know minecraft issues with Macs
#982 [21:14] <mattym> known*
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#984 [21:14] <rizzlekas> ok great, thanks!!
#985 [21:15] <rizzlekas> If someone does chime in with it, I wouldn't know how to use the keyword or what that even means so please give instructions
#986 [21:15] <mattym> if they said it it would show you the instructions so dont worry
#987 [21:16] <rizzlekas> ok
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#991 [21:16] <zombieJ86> how do you set up a password on my account?
#992 [21:17] <Wyvern> So, I just bought Minecraft and it is not working on my Mac. I know it must be a common problem. But Google is not helping at all.
#993 [21:17] <Wyvern> Anybody plays on a Mac?
#994 [21:18] <mattym> another person just had this issue
#995 [21:18] <Wyvern> How did he fix it?
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#997 [21:18] <WhereIsMySpoon> ??> Wyvern mac/gatekeeper
#998 [21:18] <rizzlekas> It's also me with this issue and we are waiting for someone to chime in with possible answers
#999 [21:18] <VoxelHead> Wyvern: (mac/gatekeeper) Newer versions of OS X add new security measures which give scary warning messages for any programs not from the App store. To force your computer to allow you to play Minecraft, ctrl-click or right-click your Minecraft icon, and select Open.
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#1001 [21:19] <mattym> rizzlekas: Follow those instructions as well
#1002 [21:19] <cestislife> ??>> mattym bot/help
#1003 [21:19] <Wyvern> It doesn't give me any warning. I know that dialog, I've seen it with other applications. Also, I have done r-click and open.
#1004 [21:19] <Wyvern> The launcher bobs once and that's it. No error, nothing.
#1005 [21:19] <WhereIsMySpoon> Wyvern: "bobs"?
#1006 [21:19] <WhereIsMySpoon> you mean it bounces in the dock?
#1007 [21:19] <Wyvern> Yeah
#1008 [21:20] <WhereIsMySpoon> Wyvern: do you know how to use the terminal
#1009 [21:20] <Wyvern> Yes
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#1011 [21:20] <WhereIsMySpoon> Wyvern: you tried opening minecraft using java directly from it?
#1012 [21:20] <rizzlekas> For me the Java app starts to run and then I get a crash warning
#1013 [21:20] <Wyvern> No. How do I do that?
#1014 [21:20] <rizzlekas> im also using a mac
#1015 [21:21] <WhereIsMySpoon> Wyvern: navigate to the folder which the minecraft.jar is in, then execute "java -jar minecraft.jar" without the quotes
#1016 [21:21] <WhereIsMySpoon> Wyvern: use 'cd` to navigate folders
#1017 [21:21] <Wyvern> So, inside Minecraft.app?
#1018 [21:21] <WhereIsMySpoon> i dunno
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#1020 [21:21] <WhereIsMySpoon> wherever its stored
#1021 [21:21] <WhereIsMySpoon> i dont use a mac
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#1023 [21:21] <WhereIsMySpoon> ??> mac/.minecraft
#1024 [21:21] <WhereIsMySpoon> hm
#1025 [21:22] <tallguy7> Hey does anyone have any ideas on how to fix a multiplayer issue? sorry if Im interupting anything...
#1026 [21:22] <WhereIsMySpoon> ?? mac/.minecraft
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#1028 [21:22] <VoxelHead> mac/.minecraft: To get at Minecraft's locally stored files on a Mac, in the Finder, from the Go menu, select Home. Then open Library, Application Support. The folder you want is "minecraft".
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#1031 [21:22] <WhereIsMySpoon> Wyvern: try that
#1032 [21:22] <WhereIsMySpoon> i think that may be a new record, 12 seconds of staying time power for a question
#1033 [21:22] <WhereIsMySpoon> <_<
#1034 [21:23] <danny> what is the difference of the free version of minecraft and the paid version
#1035 [21:23] <cestislife> danny, free version? Do you mean Classic or the Demo.
#1036 [21:23] <WhereIsMySpoon> we answered this above
#1037 [21:23] <danny> classic
#1038 [21:23] <WhereIsMySpoon> danny: read what we gave you befoer
#1039 [21:24] <rizzlekas> mattym i dont yet have an icon since im just trying to play the demo, I am afraid if i buy the full version i will get the same thing
#1040 [21:24] <Wyvern> whereismyspoon, got it. Here let me give the full path just in case others have the same problem.
#1041 [21:24] <mattym> rizzlekas: I dont know if youl be able to play the browser version then, Mac seems to have too many issues with it
#1042 [21:25] <WhereIsMySpoon> rizzlekas: the demo is outdated and old
#1043 [21:25] <WhereIsMySpoon> if it works, fine, if it doesnt, unlucky
#1044 [21:25] <WhereIsMySpoon> it isnt supported anymore nor updated
#1045 [21:25] <Wyvern> It is inside the .app . which is going to confuse a novice user.
#1046 [21:25] <Wyvern> "/Applications/Minecraft.app/Contents/Resources/Java"
#1047 [21:25] <WhereIsMySpoon> <_>
#1048 [21:25] <Wyvern> Assuming you put the app in Applications.
#1049 [21:26] <Wyvern> And then this "java -jar MinecraftLauncher.jar"
#1050 [21:26] <Wyvern> This in Mac OS 10.8 using the latest Minecraft zip for Mac.
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#1055 [21:32] <daniel> ok guys my son bought this game and he is telling me that it looks exactly like the free demo version . can you take us by the hand and lead us to the awesome version of the game we thought we bought.
#1056 [21:32] <rizzlekas> Ok so if I buy the full version I wouldn't likely have the same issues? and if i do have issues just follow your instructions above?
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#1058 [21:33] <daniel> what is the use for this help chat if you're not going to help and just pretend you're smarter than everyone?
#1059 [21:33] <mattym> yeah rizzlekas with the full version that you download you have the option to fix the settings
#1060 [21:34] <mattym> daniel: The paid for version is almost exactly the same as the demo
#1061 [21:34] <mattym> the only difference is that the demo has a time limit
#1062 [21:34] <mattym> the purchased version has no time limit and unlimited world saves
#1063 [21:34] <mattym> as well as a lot of other options
#1064 [21:35] <mattym> if your new to the game make sure to read up on the wiki about all the features and how stuff works
#1065 [21:35] <mattym> http://minecraftwiki.net
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#1067 [21:36] <rizzlekas> Thanks to all, especially mattym for the info!!!
#1068 [21:36] <WhereIsMySpoon> daniel: you get more than 1 world, it isnt on a timer, you can use custom skins, you can use multiplayer
#1069 [21:36] <WhereIsMySpoon> the demo is for 1hr30 only
#1070 [21:36] <WhereIsMySpoon> thats it
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#1072 [21:37] <AndrewPH> Also, a note, daniel, the people in here are all volunteers.
#1073 [21:38] <daniel> thanks guys that was helpful, if you guys are volunteers, humble down every once in a while and pretend the rest of the world isn't as smart as you.
#1074 [21:38] <cestislife> ?? patience
#1075 [21:38] <VoxelHead> patience: Please be patient when waiting for a response. Many of the helpers here are helping in their free time at school or work, and often get called away.
#1076 [21:39] <VoxelHead> patience: In short, your supplications will be answered, in the order in which they are received.
#1077 [21:39] <mattym> the problem was that someone linked you the info like an hour ago and you ignored it
#1078 [21:39] <daniel> my son is is only eleven, i just came into the picture
#1079 [21:40] <WhereIsMySpoon> daniel: no problem, but none of us are pretending to be elitist know it alls
#1080 [21:40] <AndrewPH> daniel: I don't see where he was treated with disrespect.
#1081 [21:40] <mattym> well not to be a dick, but i knew how to run games on my command line based PC at age 6
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#1083 [21:40] <WhereIsMySpoon> mattym: that has nothing to do with this
#1084 [21:41] <AndrewPH> I see where the same question was asked by him/you more than once...
#1085 [21:41] <daniel> like i said you are smarter, wiser, amd mightier than the average person
#1086 [21:41] <AndrewPH> and answered with respect the first time
#1087 [21:41] <IronEagle74> i need help my minecraft crashed
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#1089 [21:41] <cestislife> IronEagle74, post the crashlog on pastebin, then post the URL here.
#1090 [21:41] <mattym> IronEagle74: If you using mods seek help elsewhere, if no mods please supply is with a crash report
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#1092 [21:41] <WhereIsMySpoon> and yes, mods does include optifine
#1093 [21:42] <WhereIsMySpoon> ^^
#1094 [21:42] <IronEagle74> i dont have a mod,
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#1096 [21:42] <mattym> ok, do you know how pastebing works?
#1097 [21:42] <mattym> pastebin*
#1098 [21:42] <IronEagle74> no
#1099 [21:42] <jada> can someone tell me why the minecraft launcher tells me that i cannot connect to minecraft.net?
#1100 [21:42] <cestislife> !login
#1101 [21:43] <CrusaderDeleters> Not really. With minimal information, we cannot tell you anything.
#1102 [21:43] <mattym> majang support currently has minecraft.net listed as down
#1103 [21:43] <CrusaderDeleters> The more information you provide, the easier it is to help you.
#1104 [21:43] <IronEagle74> how do i pastebin
#1105 [21:43] <cestislife> ??> IronEagle74 pastebin
#1106 [21:43] <VoxelHead> IronEagle74: (pastebin) Pastebin is a service run at http://www.pastebin.com/ which facilitates the sharing of information without flooding IRC channels. Paste your text there, click 'Submit', and give us the URL the site takes you to, and we can see what you have pasted.
#1107 [21:43] <cestislife> mattym, the service is fine.
#1108 [21:43] <CrusaderDeleters> Derp you, cest. :c
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#1110 [21:44] <mattym> cestislife: it is now, it was listed as down at the time he first asked the question
#1111 [21:44] <mattym> so jada all we can say is try again
#1112 [21:44] <jada> I bought this game on friday for my son and i have not been able to get it to work at all i set up the account and it always tells me cant connect
#1113 [21:45] <cestislife> jada, it might be security software or the firewall blocking the connection to the servers.
#1114 [21:45] <jada> my firewall is turned off
#1115 [21:46] <jada> i dont know much about computers so this is a big challenge for me to figure out how to get this to work
#1116 [21:46] <mattym> what antivirus software do you use?
#1117 [21:46] <jada> i spoke with lord relex earlier and he said he didnt know how to help me
#1118 [21:46] <jada> i dont have av
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#1121 [21:47] <WhereIsMySpoon> jada: you using windows?
#1122 [21:47] <jada> yeah windows 7
#1123 [21:47] <mattym> and it always says secificaly Cant connect to minecraft.net? or are there other errors that it gives
#1124 [21:47] <WhereIsMySpoon> jada: can you do something for me, press the windows button
#1125 [21:47] <WhereIsMySpoon> then type "cmd"
#1126 [21:48] <WhereIsMySpoon> it should come up with the terminal, click on that to open it
#1127 [21:48] <jada> nope just says cant connect
#1128 [21:48] <jada> ok hang on
#1129 [21:48] <WhereIsMySpoon> cmd.exe :)
#1130 [21:48] <evan> just signed up and it states cannot connect
#1131 [21:48] <rizzlekas> \[]=
#1132 [21:48] <rizzlekas> \\
#1133 [21:48] <rizzlekas> ]]]]]]
#1134 [21:48] <rizzlekas> ]\
#1135 [21:48] <jada> ok a black box came up
#1136 [21:48] <WhereIsMySpoon> :|
#1137 [21:48] <WhereIsMySpoon> jada: ok good
#1138 [21:49] <WhereIsMySpoon> jada: type this for me: "ping minecraft.net"
#1139 [21:49] <WhereIsMySpoon> with no quotes
#1140 [21:49] <WhereIsMySpoon> then put the output into a pastebin for me and link teh url here
#1141 [21:49] <WhereIsMySpoon> ??> jada pastebin
#1142 [21:49] <VoxelHead> jada: (pastebin) Pastebin is a service run at http://www.pastebin.com/ which facilitates the sharing of information without flooding IRC channels. Paste your text there, click 'Submit', and give us the URL the site takes you to, and we can see what you have pasted.
#1143 [21:49] <WhereIsMySpoon> to select the output, draw a box around it all so all the text is covered in a white box, then press enter
#1144 [21:49] <WhereIsMySpoon> it will then be copied
#1145 [21:50] <evan> i am looking for help because when trying to sign in using my username/password it states cannot connect
#1146 [21:50] <jada> how do i copy it?
#1147 [21:50] <jada> it wont let me
#1148 [21:50] <WhereIsMySpoon> jada: i just told you how to :)
#1149 [21:50] <mattym> you seem to be having the same issue as anothe person evan please hold on one moment or follow the same instructions that were given to jada
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#1151 [21:51] <jada> yea i know i typed that in there and stuff popped up now im trying to cpy what it says so u can see
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#1153 [21:51] <evan> ill try to follow the instructions
#1154 [21:51] <WhereIsMySpoon> jada: this way will be better: type this into the terminal: "ping minecraft.net > output.txt"
#1155 [21:51] <WhereIsMySpoon> without quotes
#1156 [21:51] <WhereIsMySpoon> then open up output.txt (the path to it will be on the left side of the terminal)
#1157 [21:52] <WhereIsMySpoon> and copy that into pastebin
#1158 [21:52] <WhereIsMySpoon> you can just open it by typing "notepad output.txt" too
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#1160 [21:54] <jada> ok i did it
#1161 [21:54] <jada> im not sure what im looking at though
#1162 [21:54] <WhereIsMySpoon> jada: paste the contents of output.txt into pastebin
#1163 [21:54] <WhereIsMySpoon> then paste the url here
#1164 [21:54] <jada> http://pastebin.com/
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#1168 [21:55] <WhereIsMySpoon> jada: you need to paste the contents into that then press the submit button at the bottom
#1169 [21:55] <WhereIsMySpoon> then give us the url
#1170 [21:55] <WhereIsMySpoon> :)
#1171 [21:55] <mattym> WhereIsMySpoon: Im getting a timeout from minecraft.net
#1172 [21:55] <WhereIsMySpoon> o.o
#1173 [21:55] <WhereIsMySpoon> i can connect to it fine
#1174 [21:55] <jada> http://pastebin.com/SaYeh2xJ
#1175 [21:56] <jada> is that it?
#1176 [21:56] <WhereIsMySpoon> hm, maybe they dont allow pings
#1177 [21:56] <jada> im sorry im not very good at this stuff
#1178 [21:56] <WhereIsMySpoon> jada: yes
#1179 [21:56] <WhereIsMySpoon> jada: you did it fine :)
#1180 [21:56] <mattym> yeah i can connect to the game just fine, but its stillt iming out when i ping it directly
#1181 [21:56] <WhereIsMySpoon> jada: ok nvm, can you try logging into www.minecraft.net
#1182 [21:57] <WhereIsMySpoon> with the credentials you use for logging into minecraft
#1183 [21:58] <jada> ok it still tells me cannont connect
#1184 [21:59] <jada> it told me to use my email cause of mojang
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#1186 [21:59] <starkitkat> hi i need some help with an issue i have
#1187 [22:00] <mattym> tell us the issue
#1188 [22:01] <starkitkat> so a friend of mine about a year ago gave me his account on minecraft and now its not working. i dont know the issue, but my friend dosent remember the email address
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#1191 [22:02] <mattym> what do you mean by not working?
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#1193 [22:02] <starkitkat> when i try to log in on my minecraft it says, "login failed"
#1194 [22:03] <mattym> hmmm, this seems to be an issue tonight
#1195 [22:03] <jada> ive been getting this problem sence friday
#1196 [22:03] <mattym> first things first, when was the last time it was working for you starkitkat
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#1198 [22:04] <starkitkat> it was working completely fine yesterday evening
#1199 [22:04] <mattym> ok, try restarting your computer cause that can sometimes fix the login failed issue
#1200 [22:05] <starkitkat> ive tried restarting and shutting it off, but nothings working
#1201 [22:05] <mattym> ok
#1202 [22:05] <mattym> is there any chance your friend tried to migrate his account to a full mojang account
#1203 [22:06] <starkitkat> well my friend told me about an hour ago that he has no clue about anything of the account anymore, so i assum he hasent
#1204 [22:07] <mattym> i have a feeling that there are spotty login issues at the moment
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#1206 [22:08] <starkitkat> well my other friend has been playing for the last hour or so, so i was wondering if somthing wrong happened to my account or something
#1207 [22:09] <mattym> unless someone hacked it, i doubt anything else happened
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#1209 [22:09] <starkitkat> so you think that minecraft has been having an issue with logins lately?
#1210 [22:10] <Oscar> I have a error when ever i try to join a certain server :(
#1211 [22:10] <mattym> there isnt anything wrong with your keyboard, like a broken caps key or another broken key
#1212 [22:10] <starkitkat> nope
#1213 [22:10] <mattym> Oscar: what error
#1214 [22:10] <Oscar> it keeps saying this:
#1215 [22:11] <Oscar> java (TM) SE binrary has stopped working
#1216 [22:11] <mattym> starkitkat: have you changed anything on your firewall or antivirus since yesterday?
#1217 [22:11] <mattym> Oscar: That means that minecraft is crashing the java runtime, is your jave up to date?
#1218 [22:12] <starkitkat> not that i know. if something did happened what do i do?
#1219 [22:12] <mattym> try turing them off then see if you can log in
#1220 [22:12] <starkitkat> turn what off?
#1221 [22:12] <mattym> but i dont think thats the issue, cause its saying login failed, not cant connect
#1222 [22:13] <starkitkat> yeah, so im so confused and upset about this
#1223 [22:14] <starkitkat> so should i just wait to see if the issue is fixed tomrrow or what?
#1224 [22:15] <mattym> yeah, you can always play singleplayer offline
#1225 [22:15] <mattym> see if the login issue fixes itself, or get your friend to remember the account info
#1226 [22:16] <jada> on single player mine says not downloaded. may i ask what thats about?
#1227 [22:16] <starkitkat> what if it doestn get fixed and my friend dosent remember anything about the account except the username?
#1228 [22:16] <zkxs> starkitkat: What do you see at this link? https://login.minecraft.net/?user=minecrafthelp&password=ftw&version=9001
#1229 [22:17] <Oscar> sorrry
#1230 [22:17] <starkitkat> it says, "bad login"
#1231 [22:17] <zkxs> starkitkat: That's good
#1232 [22:17] <starkitkat> ???
#1233 [22:17] <mattym> jada: yours seems to have never logged in which means that the game hasnt completed the download
#1234 [22:17] <zkxs> starkitkat: That means you can connect to the login server
#1235 [22:17] <Oscar> puppy trouble
#1236 [22:18] <starkitkat> hows that good?
#1237 [22:18] <Oscar> Yes I just downloaded java and it still has the same error
#1238 [22:18] <mattym> and its just that server, no others?
#1239 [22:18] <jada> how do i download it fully? cause everytime i click download on the minecraft sight i click save and run and then that just brings up the game launcher
#1240 [22:18] <zkxs> starkitkat: It would be bad if you couldn't connect, because then you couldn't log in. This tells us the issue is specific to minecraft, not your whole internet connection
#1241 [22:18] <Oscar> yes just "that: server
#1242 [22:19] <starkitkat> so what do i do?
#1243 [22:19] <mattym> jada: you need to be able to log in, but for some reason you cant connect to the main login service
#1244 [22:19] <zkxs> starkitkat: Could you temporarily disable any antivirus or firewall you may have? Sometimes antivirus gets suspicious of java and blocks it.
#1245 [22:20] <starkitkat> how do i do that?
#1246 [22:20] <Oscar> Well actually heres what it FULLY says: java (TM) Platform SE binary stopped working
#1247 [22:20] <mattym> Oscar: Are you running a modded client or are they running a modded server?
#1248 [22:20] <Oscar> No
#1249 [22:20] <Oscar> My friend gets on fine
#1250 [22:21] <zkxs> starkitkat: It depends on the AV you're using. If you're just using Windows firewall and Microsoft Security Essentials, those can be disabled from the control panel. If you're using antivirus from another vendor, there will probably be a tray icon you can use to access it's settings
#1251 [22:21] <jada> is there anyone that can look into my account and make sure i did it all right
#1252 [22:21] <mattym> Have you restarted your computer since you got the issue
#1253 [22:21] <Oscar> Yes
#1254 [22:21] <starkitkat> okay ill try to find it
#1255 [22:22] <mattym> jada: you will have to contact mojang
#1256 [22:22] <jada> i did they sent me here
#1257 [22:22] <Oscar> lol
#1258 [22:22] <mattym> jada: explain your issue and submit this form http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/emails/new
#1259 [22:22] <zkxs> Mojang is sending people here again? That's cool.
#1260 [22:22] <Oscar> lol
#1261 [22:23] <jada> lol i just filled that out 2 times today and again 20 mins ago
#1262 [22:23] <jada> lol ok
#1263 [22:23] <starkitkat> i cant find anything
#1264 [22:24] <jada> so pretty much it wont work on my computer?
#1265 [22:24] <Oscar> this error is so frustrating.... Some times i get this java (TM) Platform SE binary stopped working and sometimes i get this: hs_err_pid3...
#1266 [22:24] <zkxs> starkitkat: Did you check the control panel for security stuffs?
#1267 [22:24] <mattym> jada: What opperating system do u use?
#1268 [22:25] <starkitkat> i did
#1269 [22:25] <Oscar> Windows 7
#1270 [22:25] <zkxs> starkitkat: I'm assuming you're on windows 7, is that correct?
#1271 [22:26] <starkitkat> yes
#1272 [22:26] <zkxs> starkitkat: Go to the control panel, and in the upper right corner, select View By: Small Icons. This will show us all the things on one page.
#1273 [22:26] <mattym> Oscar: What is the server?
#1274 [22:26] <jada> i use windows 7
#1275 [22:26] <starkitkat> okay
#1276 [22:27] <Oscar> alex.server.us.to
#1277 [22:27] <zkxs> starkitkat: check the 'Windows Firewall' and 'Windows Defender' items, and see if you can disable them.
#1278 [22:27] <Oscar> I dont think it has any servers but i may be wrong
#1279 [22:27] <mattym> jada: It should work, it seems that there is some other issue preventing you from contacting the game services
#1280 [22:27] <Oscar> whoops! I meant mods
#1281 [22:27] <zkxs> starkitkat: You'll want to reenable them when we're done doing our tests
#1282 [22:27] <starkitkat> wokay
#1283 [22:28] <mattym> Oscar: i can connect without any issue as well, it seems like there is some setting on your computer that it doesnt like
#1284 [22:28] <jada> ok so sence i have a mojang account that is what i use to try and log in with right?
#1285 [22:28] <zkxs> starkitkat: After you do that, try logging into minecraft again
#1286 [22:28] <mattym> yeah, email and password
#1287 [22:29] <starkitkat> it didnt work. it still says, 'login failed'
#1288 [22:29] <jada> right thoguht so
#1289 [22:29] <jada> thought*
#1290 [22:29] <zkxs> starkitkat: Do you know what version of java you have?
#1291 [22:29] <Oscar> hmmm...
#1292 [22:29] <starkitkat> 6
#1293 [22:29] <mattym> jada: if you go to http://accounts.majang.com
#1294 [22:29] <Oscar> How do i fix this error?
#1295 [22:29] <Lord_Ralex> zkxs, has he gone to accounts.mojang.com?
#1296 [22:30] <jada> what do i do there?
#1297 [22:30] <mattym> jada: retype it like he did i hada a typo ^^
#1298 [22:30] <Lord_Ralex> think it is account actually
#1299 [22:30] <Lord_Ralex> well, it redirects right, so it works
#1300 [22:30] <mattym> yeah
#1301 [22:30] <zkxs> Doesn't the launcher tell you if you're trying to log into a mojang account with a minecraft username?
#1302 [22:30] <Oscar> ... ?
#1303 [22:31] <Oscar> Is there any solution?
#1304 [22:31] <Lord_Ralex> zkxs, it can say failed if you don't have an account set up yet
#1305 [22:31] <Lord_Ralex> or at least not chosen a username
#1306 [22:31] <mattym> jada: log and and tell us if it lists you as having a minecraft username
#1307 [22:31] <zkxs> starkitkat: I suppose you should do that.
#1308 [22:31] <Lord_Ralex> https://account.mojang.com/me
#1309 [22:31] <starkitkat> what?
#1310 [22:31] <Lord_Ralex> once you all have logged in, make sure you see that Minecraft is listed and that it has your username
#1311 [22:31] <mattym> *Profile Name rather
#1312 [22:32] <zkxs> starkitkat: Also you shouldn't forget to turn the firewall and AV back on
#1313 [22:32] <Lord_Ralex> zkxs, login failed means server told him no
#1314 [22:32] <Lord_Ralex> so av/firewall are unlikely to be of issue here
#1315 [22:32] <starkitkat> i did turn it back on, but its not working still
#1316 [22:32] <Lord_Ralex> starkitkat, go to : https://account.mojang.com/me
#1317 [22:32] <Lord_Ralex> and tell us what you see
#1318 [22:32] <mattym> starkitkats problem is that they account was given to him by a friend and no longer works, so he doesnt have a mojang account
#1319 [22:32] <starkitkat> why?
#1320 [22:33] <starkitkat> and yeah
#1321 [22:33] <zkxs> Lord_Ralex: oh, you're totally correct. I'm being quite silly today, it seems.
#1322 [22:33] <mattym> the account*
#1323 [22:33] <zkxs> Thanks
#1324 [22:33] <Oscar> HELP?
#1325 [22:33] <Lord_Ralex> so it is not migrated?
#1326 [22:33] <rizzlekas> I just bought minecraft on my mac, and when i try to download it, it won't complete the download it and says "Minecraft is damaged and can't be opened. You should move it to the trash"
#1327 [22:33] <mattym> he said it was created more than a year ago, so no
#1328 [22:33] <Lord_Ralex> http://minecraft.net/store log in there then starkitkat
#1329 [22:34] <mattym> ??> rizzlekas mac/gatekeeper
#1330 [22:34] <VoxelHead> rizzlekas: (mac/gatekeeper) Newer versions of OS X add new security measures which give scary warning messages for any programs not from the App store. To force your computer to allow you to play Minecraft, ctrl-click or right-click your Minecraft icon, and select Open.
#1331 [22:34] <Lord_Ralex> and tell what it says in the left box
#1332 [22:34] <Lord_Ralex> the one with the minecraft icon on it
#1333 [22:34] <zkxs> Oscar: You could try updating your java installs. 32 bit and 64 bit java is NOT an either-or choice, they are separate installs and you should install both on a 64 bit system.
#1334 [22:34] <rizzlekas> I don't yet have a minecraft icon, it wont even let me get that far?
#1335 [22:34] <starkitkat> it says, "Oops, unknown username or password. If you are logging in with a Mojang account make sure to use your e-mail address as username. "
#1336 [22:34] <jada> mattym ok yes i have a minecraft user name
#1337 [22:35] <Lord_Ralex> starkitkat, there you go
#1338 [22:35] <Lord_Ralex> the login details are incorrect
#1339 [22:35] <Oscar> Okay Ill try that! TY!
#1340 [22:35] <Lord_Ralex> you need to get the correct ones
#1341 [22:35] <jada> i have minecraft listed also
#1342 [22:35] <mattym> jada: OK then you should send a support email and wait for their reply
#1343 [22:35] <jada> lol i did
#1344 [22:35] <mattym> and did they reply?
#1345 [22:35] <Lord_Ralex> starkitkat, http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/329524-change-or-forgot-password
#1346 [22:35] <jada> no
#1347 [22:35] <zkxs> Oscar: But if it is only one server that is causing the problem, chances are it is something the server is doing wrong. If this is some kind of modded server, you may not have the correct client mods.
#1348 [22:35] <starkitkat> -.- my friend forgot everything on my account since last year so i cant do anything
#1349 [22:35] <mattym> the server he is trying works fine
#1350 [22:36] <jada> i dont really want refund or anything i just really want to get this game to work for my son
#1351 [22:36] <Lord_Ralex> starkitkat, http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/329530-my-email-account-has-changed-
#1352 [22:36] <Lord_Ralex> your friend will have to get the account fixed
#1353 [22:36] <Oscar> my friend is a mod and joins perfectly fine
#1354 [22:36] <Lord_Ralex> there is nothing else we can assist with at this point
#1355 [22:37] <Lord_Ralex> this issue is between your friend and his account, you can do nothing about it except get him to get it fixed
#1356 [22:37] <Oscar> moderator*
#1357 [22:37] <starkitkat> i just said that he doesnt have any info anymore of my account
#1358 [22:37] <Oscar> and he did not install any mods
#1359 [22:37] <Lord_Ralex> starkitkat, then you are likely out of lick
#1360 [22:37] <Lord_Ralex> luck*
#1361 [22:37] <Lord_Ralex> you need to have the trans ID to get the account back if you have lost the email account used
#1362 [22:37] <starkitkat> ... wow
#1363 [22:38] <Lord_Ralex> if he lost that, hen can try to find it depending on what method he used to pay
#1364 [22:38] <Lord_Ralex> really, this is nothing you can do, this is all for him to do
#1365 [22:38] <zkxs> Oscar: If his server is unmodded, and other people can connect, that implies the issue is on your end. The fact that Java itself is crashing is a bit unusual, and could mean you have a bad java install.
#1366 [22:38] <mattym> jada: explain your problem to Lord_Ralex he has seen a lot of errors and may be able to offere a new outlook on the issue
#1367 [22:38] <rizzlekas> mattym: right when i try to download it the icon pops and bobs in the dock, and i did try what you said with no avail....
#1368 [22:38] <jada> We talked this morning
#1369 [22:39] <Lord_Ralex> was it this morning?
#1370 [22:39] <Lord_Ralex> man, time is slow
#1371 [22:39] <jada> yeah
#1372 [22:39] <jada> lol
#1373 [22:39] <starkitkat> my account worked yesterday
#1374 [22:39] <mattym> rizzlekas: hang on one sec
#1375 [22:39] <Lord_Ralex> starkitkat, we cannot help you any more
#1376 [22:39] <Lord_Ralex> as it seems you cannot even get access to the old email
#1377 [22:40] <mattym> Lord_Ralex: interestingly he cant connect to minecrafts services, i have no problem logging in but when i ping minecraft.net i get timeouts just as he does
#1378 [22:40] <Lord_Ralex> which is needed to reset the password
#1379 [22:40] <Lord_Ralex> mattym, it will ping out
#1380 [22:40] <Lord_Ralex> it is not set up to respond to pings
#1381 [22:40] <Lord_Ralex> starkitkat, he will have to get the trans ID to get the account set up to a new email so it can log back in with a new password
#1382 [22:41] <Oscar> Wait... My minecraft worked perfectly one week ago.
#1383 [22:41] <Lord_Ralex> we cannot do that, he has to
#1384 [22:41] <starkitkat> thats dumb how my minecraft worked perfectly fine yesterday, but its now not letting me on? and theres no way to see what my email was to mmy account?
#1385 [22:42] <mattym> Oscar: your friend and i had no problem connecting to the server, this means that something you have set with your java is causing it to crash
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#1388 [22:42] <Lord_Ralex> starkitkat, that is what the issues are with unmigrated accounts
#1389 [22:42] <Lord_Ralex> it is heavily suggested to migrate them
#1390 [22:42] <starkitkat> that we cant login?
#1391 [22:42] <Lord_Ralex> starkitkat, if you cannot log in, it means the password changed
#1392 [22:42] <jada> hey if i migrate my account would that work?
#1393 [22:42] <Lord_Ralex> and since you cannot get the email to get the resets, you have to contact Mojang
#1394 [22:43] <jada> if so how the heck do i migrate?
#1395 [22:43] <Lord_Ralex> which requires the trans ID to show you own the account
#1396 [22:43] <Lord_Ralex> which is what your friends needs to get
#1397 [22:43] <starkitkat> .how in the world can the password change when me and my friend are the only ones who have access to my account and he didnt do anything to it
#1398 [22:43] <jada> nvm
#1399 [22:43] <Lord_Ralex> starkitkat, if it is crappy, someone can guess it
#1400 [22:44] <Oscar> dang it... :(
#1401 [22:44] <zkxs> Oscar: You could try reinstalling minecraft by deleting %appdata%\.minecraft\bin
#1402 [22:44] <starkitkat> its 14 characters long
#1403 [22:44] <Oscar> did that
#1404 [22:44] <Oscar> twice
#1405 [22:44] <Lord_Ralex> starkitkat, ThisIsNotThePassword is long, does not mean it is not hard to find out
#1406 [22:44] <zkxs> Oscar: lol, did you get java reinstalled?
#1407 [22:44] <Lord_Ralex> starkitkat, the point is
#1408 [22:44] <Lord_Ralex> someone changed the password
#1409 [22:44] <Oscar> okay... anyways ty very much
#1410 [22:44] <Oscar> gtg
#1411 [22:45] <starkitkat> is there a way to find out what email was used to create the account?
#1412 [22:45] <Lord_Ralex> and i have explained how to get that fixed
#1413 [22:45] <Lord_Ralex> no
#1414 [22:45] <Lord_Ralex> not with unmigrated accounts
#1415 [22:45] <Lord_Ralex> you have to log in to them, and it only gives you the first letter
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#1417 [22:46] <Lord_Ralex> okay
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#1419 [22:46] <Lord_Ralex> i talk too much
#1420 [22:46] <mattym> this is why its not good to share accounts
#1421 [22:46] <Lord_Ralex> yep
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#1423 [22:50] <zkxs> What happened to wugbot?
#1424 [22:50] <rizzlekas> mattym your still there? thanks for all your help!
#1425 [22:50] <mattym> yeah, sorry we couldnt be more help
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#1428 [22:52] <rizzlekas> what? you said that if i bought the full version we could work with it? do you have any ideas where I should go for help?
#1429 [22:58] <jada> should i unistall and reinstall?
#1430 [23:00] <jada> anyone have any other ideas i could try or am SOL?
#1431 [23:01] <jada> hello is anyone still here?
#1432 [23:01] <mattym> rizzlekas: Is it still refusing to let you download it?
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#1434 [23:02] <mattym> if so ty downloading the .jar version and run it via command line
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#1436 [23:04] <rizzlekas> Yes, I keep getting the same response, I can see it sending the program to download, but it stops almost immediately and then when I click into it I get that same message. Until today I thought I was computer savvy, but after my 8 year old asked me to download this and you guys are talking all this computer lingo and stuff, I'm just not sure if i am even capable to figure out how to make this work.
#1437 [23:05] <rizzlekas> mattym, can you please walk me through that, I really don't know how to do that?
#1438 [23:06] <mattym> Im really not used to Mac's
#1439 [23:06] <mattym> there is some setting thats stopping the download from going through
#1440 [23:08] <rizzlekas> I do appreciate you for trying to help, mattym, but I really do not know unless someone else chimes in.........
#1441 [23:08] <mattym> what exactly does is say about the download again
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#1443 [23:09] <Jams> hello
#1444 [23:09] <rizzlekas> hang on and ill do it again to tell you....
#1445 [23:09] <mattym> ok
#1446 [23:09] <Jams> Can anybody help me, or must i wait?
#1447 [23:10] <mattym> let us know you problem we will help if we can
#1448 [23:10] <Jams> I've registered and get no confirm mail
#1449 [23:10] <zkxs> Scott is the resident mac guy
#1450 [23:11] <zkxs> If he's around he might be able to give you a pointer
#1451 [23:11] <rizzlekas> "Minecraft is damaged and can't be opened. You should move it to the trash." that is what it says on my mac. I can literally see it sending the download, but then it stops immediately and then when I go in to install it (obviously it hadn't fully downloaded), that is what is says.
#1452 [23:11] <mattym> Jams: a lot of people seem to be having this issue lately, best bet is to give it time
#1453 [23:12] <Jams> okay i'll
#1454 [23:12] <Jams> thanks
#1455 [23:13] <mattym> rizzlekas: Check out this link it seems to deal with this issue http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/649868-guide-mac-support-101/#entry8508704
#1456 [23:13] <TheNoodle> ?? Mac/gatekeeper/disable
#1457 [23:13] <VoxelHead> mac/gatekeeper/disable: If the right-click->Open trick does not work, disable Gatekeeper entirely. See http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5290
#1458 [23:13] <TheNoodle> Do that if you haven't already
#1459 [23:14] <rizzlekas> Ill check it out and check back if it doesn't work, until then, ill stay logged in here just in case someone else might have a solution. Thanks for all your time mattym!!
#1460 [23:14] <TheNoodle> rizzlekas: follow VoxelHead's instructions first
#1461 [23:15] <rizzlekas> ok
#1462 [23:16] <Jams> Should i give it a couple of days or?
#1463 [23:16] <mattym> TheNoodle: he already tried that a while ago
#1464 [23:17] <TheNoodle> that'll teach me not to read up
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#1466 [23:20] <mattym> Jams: A few other people had that issue today, and there is really nothing the people here can do to fix that, so wait till tomorrow, if it still hasnt been sent contact mojang support
#1467 [23:21] <rizzlekas> Ok, but how can i control click or right click on the app or icon if my computer hasn't yet allowed me to download or install the program?
#1468 [23:21] <rizzlekas> oh ok i just kept reading
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#1471 [23:23] <mattym> just leave gatekeeper off, the only thing it seems to do is not let u use things made by apple
#1472 [23:23] <mattym> not made by apple*
#1473 [23:29] <rizzlekas> OMG!!!!!!! Thanks to all you that took your time to help me fix this so my 8 yr old son could play this game on the computer. IT WORKED!!!! HE has been super sad for the last 2 weeks thinking that he "would never get this game on the computer, EVER" Seriously, it worked so thanks to all who spent the time to respond to my questions. You are all angels!!!
#1474 [23:30] <mattym> no problem man
#1475 [23:30] <rizzlekas> Im a mom, so you mean chick :)
#1476 [23:30] <mattym> sorry
#1477 [23:30] <mattym> name was sorta androgynous
#1478 [23:31] <rizzlekas> jk, seriously thanks, if it wasn't for you my son would be super sad for "his whole life" (in his words) ;)
#1479 [23:31] <rizzlekas> haha, i see how that can be
#1480 [23:31] <mattym> Yeah, in the future just remember this, Mac's werent meant to be gaming computers
#1481 [23:31] <mattym> there is usually a fix, but you have to deal with some crap
#1482 [23:32] <skymoy> to be fair, a few months is a very big percentage of his life compared to someone older
#1483 [23:32] <rizzlekas> really, why is that?
#1484 [23:32] <skymoy> because apple dislikes non-apple anything
#1485 [23:32] <rizzlekas> ha! try living inside that few months with him!!
#1486 [23:33] <skymoy> they regularly remove competing products from the iproduct app store; i'm actually surprised they haven't had huge fines or been shut down due to antitrust suits
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#1488 [23:33] <mattym> Early apples were always business/production oriented, so when people started to make games they made them with Windows in mind, and that has just sorta resonated throughout time
#1489 [23:34] <skymoy> macs used to be free of that, but they're tightening their control over everything
#1490 [23:34] <skymoy> mattym: games are targeted at windows more because windows has a greater than 75% market share
#1491 [23:35] <mattym> Now yeah, im talking about what started it all
#1492 [23:35] <mattym> and what kinda contributes to those current numbers
#1493 [23:35] <Jams> Me and my friends want to play together online. When one person creates a 'world' must he always be online for the others to play?
#1494 [23:35] <skymoy> personally, i like to think the ability to right click is why windows overtook mac
#1495 [23:35] <skymoy> Jams: yes, unless you pay for server hosting
#1496 [23:35] <mattym> Jams: yes, and they must be on the same computer network
#1497 [23:36] <mattym> unless you pay ^
#1498 [23:36] <rizzlekas> Well the fact that I couldn't download a simple game, (to my 8 yrs old, not to me and I'm not an idiot to computers) just doesn't set right with me.
#1499 [23:36] <skymoy> no need to be on the same network, the full server can be downloaded and run for free, mattym
#1500 [23:37] <skymoy> rizzlekas: that was apple causing problems with their so-called security
#1501 [23:37] <skymoy> (it's not actually secure, as you'll find out in coming years as apple gains market share and becomes a worth-while malware target)
#1502 [23:37] <rizzlekas> skymoy: it was the gatekeeper that was the problem
#1503 [23:38] <skymoy> mhmm
#1504 [23:38] <rizzlekas> mhmm, what?
#1505 [23:38] <Jams> is this expensive?
#1506 [23:38] <mattym> Jams: You can run it for free if one of you has the ability to have a computer running all the time
#1507 [23:38] <skymoy> hosting? not terribly expensive
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#1509 [23:39] <Jams> are you guys player or moderators here?
#1510 [23:40] <mattym> rizzlekas: The big problem was when Apple started using the "App Store" system on the Laptops and Computers
#1511 [23:40] <zkxs> Jams: Volunteers
#1512 [23:40] <mattym> made it a lot harder to get any program that wasnt passed through Apple
#1513 [23:41] <skymoy> Jams: mojang has like 1 official support guy, and he doesn't exactly spend a lot of time here
#1514 [23:41] <skymoy> they're using us for free support
#1515 [23:42] <skymoy> Jams: check digitalocean.com for server hosting
#1516 [23:42] <rizzlekas> I see that does make sense, I have pledged my allegiance to apple, maybe i should re-think that......;)
#1517 [23:42] <mattym> Omg did we just do the impossible
#1518 [23:42] <skymoy> apple was a good company. 20 years ago.
#1519 [23:43] <rizzlekas> I doubt it, but still-I have something to think about - HARD. haha
#1520 [23:43] <skymoy> was that pervy?
#1521 [23:44] <rizzlekas> oh, you boys!!! get your HEADS out of the GUTTER
#1522 [23:44] <zkxs> Now do it again, but windows -> linux this time :P
#1523 [23:44] <mattym> lol
#1524 [23:45] <mattym> i honestly still refuse that
#1525 [23:45] <mattym> if all i was playing was minecraft i would use linux
#1526 [23:45] <skymoy> linux is too fragmented, apple is too tightly controlled
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#1528 [23:45] <mattym> but i do way to much other stuff to deal witht he ins and outs of linux
#1529 [23:46] <zkxs> The fulfillment of the prophecy is nigh, Steam games have come to Linux.
#1530 [23:46] <skymoy> and windows is only good on desktops/laptops. it sucks on tablets and phones
#1531 [23:46] <skymoy> and servers
#1532 [23:46] <skymoy> most things, really
#1533 [23:47] <skymoy> it's like java
#1534 [23:47] <mattym> depends on your definition of tablet
#1535 [23:47] <mattym> i have a Laptop/Tablet hybrid that works just fine with windows
#1536 [23:47] <skymoy> one of those little reverse flippy things?
#1537 [23:47] <mattym> for a "Mobile Tablet" its horrible
#1538 [23:47] <zkxs> java does suck pretty hard. I like how whenever I try to run an applet now, I get at least 3 security warnings. One of which is from oracles themselves.
#1539 [23:48] <mattym> Yeah mine is an older one from HP, with teh spinny screen
#1540 [23:48] <skymoy> java is ubiquitous, though
#1541 [23:48] <mattym> Back when Tablets were still full computers
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#1543 [23:49] <skymoy> according to oracle, it's even on credit cards
#1544 [23:49] * skymoy prepares an exploit for credit cards
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#1545 [23:49] <zkxs> watlol
#1546 [23:50] <skymoy> probably those "smart" cards, being powered with wireless stuff
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#1548 [23:50] <zkxs> Did you guys get to see the 7u10 exploit? A random calc.exe appears?
#1549 [23:51] <skymoy> sorry, no. i'm using the more secure 6u39
#1550 [23:51] <zkxs> indeed
#1551 [23:51] <cestislife> 8ea, yay.
#1552 [23:51] <skymoy> i like how the older one is more secure
#1553 [23:51] <zkxs> I wasn't happy about updating to 7
#1554 [23:51] <skymoy> i use windows so i can use whatever version i like
#1555 [23:52] <Bobicraft> Hey! My minecraft has crashed:(
#1556 [23:52] <skymoy> because windows is insane when ti comes to backwards compatibility
#1557 [23:52] <zkxs> I eventually had to because people are too dumb to compile stuff with 5+ support like sane people
#1558 [23:52] <mattym> Bobicraft: Send us your error report in a pastebin
#1559 [23:52] <skymoy> i have some programs from W95 that will run on vista
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#1561 [23:52] <mattym> ??> Bobicraft pastebin
#1562 [23:52] <VoxelHead> Bobicraft: (pastebin) Pastebin is a service run at http://www.pastebin.com/ which facilitates the sharing of information without flooding IRC channels. Paste your text there, click 'Submit', and give us the URL the site takes you to, and we can see what you have pasted.
#1563 [23:53] <Bobicraft> ok
#1564 [23:53] <Bobicraft> wait me
#1565 [23:55] <mattym> Yes, minecraft should have made an error report, copy the contents to a pastebin and provide us with the link so we can diagnose the issue
#1566 [23:55] <Bobicraft> mattym
#1567 [23:55] <Bobicraft> http://pastebin.com/5Y3MswxC
#1568 [23:56] <skymoy> ??> Bobicraft win/dxdiag
#1569 [23:56] <VoxelHead> Bobicraft: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#1570 [23:56] <VoxelHead> Bobicraft: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it back here.
#1571 [23:56] <mattym> he probably needs a java update
#1572 [23:57] <mattym> his version looks a bit old
#1573 [23:57] <Bobicraft> Ammmm
#1574 [23:57] <cestislife> ??> Bobicraft java/lwjgl
#1575 [23:57] <VoxelHead> Bobicraft: (java/lwjgl) See http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Tutorials/Update_LWJGL for a guide on manually updating to a new version of LWJGL.
#1576 [23:57] <Bobicraft> I speI speak Spanish, but also English, but there is someone to explain to me in Spanish?
#1577 [23:58] <Bobicraft> speak*
#1578 [23:58] <skymoy> lwjgl isn't the issue, cestislife; mattym 6u31 can run minecraft
#1579 [23:58] <skymoy> i'm pretty sure it's his drivers or his hardware
#1580 [23:59] <mattym> doesnt mean he shouldnt update