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#19 [00:13] <Guest66092> I am having an issue with my controls in MC. I loaded up my world and pressed the "W" key to go foward and it made me keep going forward after i released it. I hit ESC to break it, but then, any key I pressed cycled the hotbar items 1-9 and would keep doing it. Now, I did go into options>controls and tried to reset it, however, nothing fixes the issue. I also loaded up a brand new world and the same thing happens. I've gone i
#20 [00:13] <mattym> Ok
#21 [00:13] <Guest66092> icky Keys" thing on Windows. Everything seems in order. A trick I can do to almost play normal is if I hold down the Alt key, I can move with the WASD, but if i release, it just goes back to cycling 1-9.
#22 [00:13] <mattym> there is another way to reset the controls
#23 [00:13] <Guest66092> I have also deleted minecraft
#24 [00:14] <Guest66092> and deleted the appdata folder
#25 [00:14] <Guest66092> i've tried deleting the options file
#26 [00:14] <mattym> hmmm
#27 [00:14] <Guest66092> and force uploading
#28 [00:14] <Guest66092> er updating
#29 [00:14] <mattym> thats about everything i would normaly try to fix this
#30 [00:14] <mattym> are you on windows?
#31 [00:15] <Guest66092> yes
#32 [00:15] <mattym> you can try this, but keep in mind its a little complicated
#33 [00:15] <mattym> ??> Guest66092 java/lwjgl
#34 [00:15] <VoxelHead> Guest66092: (java/lwjgl) See http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Tutorials/Update_LWJGL for a guide on manually updating to a new version of LWJGL.
#35 [00:15] <Guest66092> i'm willing to try anything at this point
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#37 [00:16] <mattym> this will update the files that deal with some of the controls in game
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#39 [00:16] <mattym> follow that ^ link and give it a go
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#43 [00:17] <Guest66092> I will, thanks mattym. be back when completed
#44 [00:17] <mattym> When following the directions
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#46 [00:18] <mattym> do what it says about using the 2.8.4 update instead of the one for 2.8.5
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#56 [00:31] <Guest66092> mattym: still doing same thing
#57 [00:32] <mattym> Hmm, have you tried it with a different keyboard?
#58 [00:32] <Guest66092> Running on my laptop, but no i haven't. Let me see if I can find one.
#59 [00:33] <webrosc> Guest66092, did you ask this on the forums?
#60 [00:34] <mattym> Its possible the laptops keyboard has hardware lag
#61 [00:34] <mattym> i have a crappy netbook that does that
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#65 [00:35] <webrosc> i've had keyboards in past where a little dirt got under key and its like the ALT key is jammed for a moment
#66 [00:36] <mattym> that too, at this point i feel like its hardware
#67 [00:36] <webrosc> using a different keyboard will eliminate that as the issue
#68 [00:36] <webrosc> or confirm it
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#70 [00:45] <Guest66092> Ok, no spare keyboard at the moment, i'll have to do a little digging. I did just load up WoW and that is also having the same issue.
#71 [00:46] <Guest66092> And webrosc, this is MCJake on the minecraftforum site, you just responded on my "Control issue" post. Thanks!
#72 [00:47] <webrosc> if wow if having the issue then your keyboard is the problem
#73 [00:47] <webrosc> :) thought it was too much a coincidence to have the same issue there and here lol
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#75 [00:47] <Guest66092> haha
#76 [00:47] <Guest66092> found the keyboard! one sec
#77 [00:48] <mattym> wow small world
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#79 [00:48] <mmm> is there an issue with the login on minecraft.net right now?
#80 [00:49] <webrosc> all is ok afaik mmm
#81 [00:49] <Guest66092> ok
#82 [00:49] <mattym> !isworking
#83 [00:49] <Guest66092> new keyboard does the same thing
#84 [00:49] <webrosc> hhmm...
#85 [00:49] <mattym> crap, i can never rember the thing for the login script
#86 [00:50] <webrosc> no idea ofthe code, have the pages bookmarked lol
#87 [00:50] <mattym> What brand and model laptop is it?
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#89 [00:50] <Guest66092> When I press W to go forward, it keeps going like i'm holding it down. Then when I hit esc to break it, all letter keys act as if they are cycling 1-9.
#90 [00:51] <Guest66092> Lenovo Y550
#91 [00:52] <Guest66092> and one of the strange things is, if I hold down "Alt" I can move and everything like normal
#92 [00:52] <Guest66092> except I have to hold down Alt
#93 [00:53] <webrosc> but it does same with main and external keyboard?
#94 [00:53] <mattym> that seems like the function of your alt key has gotten messed up
#95 [00:53] <GreyVulpine> Sounds like a security program problem
#96 [00:53] <GreyVulpine> There's a few that have been known to cause that behavior
#97 [00:55] <Guest66092> Well, I checked if it was malware or a keylogger, so I ran Webroot and Hitman and Norton, all came up clean
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#99 [00:55] <mattym> now try dissabling all of those and seeing what happens
#100 [00:56] <mattym> What Grey was saying is that sometimes the antivirus programs themselves cause the issue
#101 [00:56] <GreyVulpine> Does your ISP provide you with a security program?
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#103 [00:56] <GreyVulpine> I know comcast provides its customers with its own "Comcast constant guard", which has been known to cause something like this
#104 [00:57] <Guest66092> We have Charter, I don't think they do.
#105 [00:58] <Guest66092> Seriously Norton, just uninstall.
#106 [00:59] <mattym> lol, its like pulling teeth
#107 [01:00] <mattym> On a side not, up until recently i was unaware they changed the formula for Sweet Hearts candy, not impressed
#108 [01:04] <Guest66092> Ok, says I need to restart.
#109 [01:04] <Guest66092> I tried mc and it still had the issue
#110 [01:04] <mattym> give the restart a go then
#111 [01:04] <mattym> ill still be here
#112 [01:04] <Guest66092> k, be back in a few
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#123 [01:16] <Jay> Every time I log into Minecraft, and it starts to load. the loading screen freezes at "Done Loading". Why is this? Thank you.
#124 [01:17] <mattym> First time your installing>
#125 [01:17] <Jay> On this computer yes.
#126 [01:17] <mattym> ok
#127 [01:17] <mattym> Windows or Mac?
#128 [01:17] <Jay> It has happened on every other computer I tried to download it on.
#129 [01:17] <Jay> Windows
#130 [01:18] <mattym> Try turning off your firewall and antivirus software, then often block the connection needed
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#132 [01:18] <Jay> Alright let me stay in chat for a bit just in case it doesn't work.
#133 [01:18] <mattym> if this helps, you can turn them back on but make sure to add exceptions to them
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#136 [01:20] <Jay> It eems that turning my firewall off did not work.
#137 [01:21] <mattym> what about any other antivirus
#138 [01:21] <Jay> one moment I'll try.
#139 [01:23] <Jay> Didn't work. I have been playing minecraft for a long time now. I'm not a new player. I just recently been having this problem. I never had any firewall or antivirus problems before while playing the game, but now I am.
#140 [01:24] <mattym> um, did you by any chance download it with Internet Explorer?
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#142 [01:25] <mcalex> ok
#143 [01:25] <mcalex> back
#144 [01:25] <mattym> Any luck?
#145 [01:25] <mcalex> none
#146 [01:25] <mcalex> still doing it
#147 [01:25] <mattym> Yeah, at this point it seems to be a hardware thing with your keyboard
#148 [01:25] <Jay> I downloaded it with Internet Explorer, and Google chrome before without this problem. like I said. It just recently started this problem
#149 [01:26] <mattym> What did you download it with this time?
#150 [01:26] <Jay> I try to download it on my other laptop, and my other desktop, and it still has the problem. it's not a hardware issue.
#151 [01:26] <mattym> That thing about hardware was for anothe person
#152 [01:27] <mcalex> Alright, I have to go to bed. I'll try more tomorrow. Thanks a lot, I appreciate the help!
#153 [01:27] <Jay> ??
#154 [01:27] <Jay> I downloaded it with Google Chrome this time.
#155 [01:27] <mattym> Jay there are more than 1 conversations goin on here
#156 [01:27] <mattym> yeah, give that a try, recently IE has been the cause of this issue
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#161 [01:33] <roly> i cant download demo on mac
#162 [01:33] <roly> can anybody help?
#163 [01:33] <roly> please
#164 [01:33] <mattym> The demo and mac dont play well together
#165 [01:34] <mattym> not much anyone can do about it
#166 [01:34] <roly> oh okay thanks
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#173 [01:53] <MCnewb> hi, im trying to play the demo of MC and im having some trouble
#174 [01:54] <mattym> Are you on a Mac?
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#176 [01:54] <MCnewb> windows
#177 [01:54] <mattym> ok
#178 [01:54] <mattym> what is the issue
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#180 [01:54] <MCnewb> well, when trying in browser, when I try to update, it won't update and an error report will pop up
#181 [01:55] <MCnewb> and when I try to download, it wont download
#182 [01:55] <mattym> What do you mean download, the Demo should just work in the browser
#183 [01:56] <mattym> as long as your java is up to date and you allow it to run when the demo asks
#184 [01:56] <MCnewb> on the MC home page, you can wither play MC in browser or download
#185 [01:56] <mattym> The download is only if you have payed for it
#186 [01:56] <MCnewb> oh gotcha
#187 [01:57] <MCnewb> well, when in browser it says.. " Fatal error occured (4): Permission denied: connect
#188 [01:57] <mattym> ok 1 second
#189 [01:58] <mattym> is your java up to date?
#190 [01:58] <cestislife> ?? fatalerror4
#191 [01:58] <VoxelHead> fatalerror4: http://minecraftirc.net/thread-35.html has a fix for Minecraft problems caused by malware or other issues causing Fatal Error 4.
#192 [01:59] <MCnewb> So should i uninstall java then reinstall 6?
#193 [02:00] <mattym> that page is a little old, Java 7 should work now, but feel free to give it a try
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#201 [02:07] <AM2> ??< index
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#203 [02:08] <AM2> ??< java/1.7
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#207 [02:14] <Ogredude_> argh
#208 [02:14] <Ogredude_> I can't even remember what to google for.
#209 [02:14] <Ogredude_> I'm looking for that tool you use to open player files from a server and read out values and change things.
#210 [02:14] <mattym> you the server owner?
#211 [02:14] <Ogredude_> yessir
#212 [02:14] <GreyVulpine> nbtedit perhaps?
#213 [02:15] <mattym> so you have access to the saves
#214 [02:15] <Ogredude_> GreyVulpine: yay! that's the one I was looking for
#215 [02:15] <mattym> What type of things do you want to change
#216 [02:15] <Ogredude_> well at the moment I want to find player positions
#217 [02:15] <mattym> nbtedit will probably be best for that then yes
#218 [02:15] <Ogredude_> we've been swapping mods out, and we kinda forgot that switching town mods would destroy the existing town spawnpoints :)
#219 [02:16] <Ogredude_> so my idea is to just dig into the player files and manually set teleport points
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#222 [02:18] <Ogredude_> yeah I knew which tool I needed, I just didn't remember what it was called :)
#223 [02:18] <mattym> just be careful with that one, lots of things you can mess up with it
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#225 [02:19] <Ogredude_> oh ya we're working off a backup copy
#226 [02:22] <AM2> What is the best link for the Java SE Runtime Environment download for 7u13? That should be the latest with the exploits fixed. I am getting Error 1335, but continuing to test.
#227 [02:22] <mattym> On what system?
#228 [02:23] <AM2> mattym: Windows 8 on brand new Acer Aspire. I'm downloading from http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre7-downloads-1880261.html
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#231 [02:25] <cestislife> AM2: http://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp
#232 [02:25] <cestislife> this?
#233 [02:26] <AM2> cestislife: that's 586, isn't that for 32 bit OSes?
#234 [02:27] <mattym> ? that page he linked has options for 64
#235 [02:27] <cestislife> Check, Windows Offline (64 bit)
#236 [02:29] <mattym> maybe you want this page AM2 http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre7-downloads-1880261.html
#237 [02:29] <mattym> but i think it takes you to the same download anyway
#238 [02:30] <AM2> cestislife: Hmmm. they advise 32 bit ? But that should be irrelevant to me as I'm not using IE nor am I using Java in a browser at all. Confused.
#239 [02:30] <mattym> They jsut say that cause thats what it reads the browser as
#240 [02:30] <cestislife> Of course, you're using a 32bit browser.
#241 [02:30] <AM2> mattym: that's what I am using
#242 [02:31] <cestislife> Their autodetect thing is also browser dependant, they won't detect for 64 bit versions.
#243 [02:31] <cestislife> Unless you're using a 64 bit browser.
#244 [02:31] <AM2> cestislife: Well, I'm downloading on one machine to install on another, so I chose the 64 bit version.
#245 [02:31] <cestislife> Okay then?
#246 [02:31] <mattym> More importantly when did they make it impossible to get to the JDK frim java.com
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#248 [02:32] <AM2> mattym, cestislife: Ok, I see I need to read that /java_win64bit.xml carefully.
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#250 [02:34] <mattym> If you have a 64-Bit OS, go with that version regardless of what the browser says
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#268 [03:39] <jack> anyone here
#269 [03:39] <mattym> Yup
#270 [03:40] <jack> do u want to play with on minecraft
#271 [03:40] <jack> joke
#272 [03:41] <jack> i need help
#273 [03:41] <mattym> Whats your issue
#274 [03:42] <jack> some severs dont work for me do u know how to fix
#275 [03:43] <jack> fix it
#276 [03:43] <mattym> are you 100% sure the server is working, What do they say when you cant get in
#277 [03:44] <jack> i forgot
#278 [03:44] <mattym> some servers dont work for everyone, some have mods, and some shut down
#279 [03:45] <jack> why
#280 [03:45] <mattym> People that run them have them set up that way
#281 [03:45] <jack> i mods hacks
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#283 [03:46] <jack> i mods hacks
#284 [03:47] <jack> are u here
#285 [03:47] <jack> go home
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#293 [04:12] <AM2> To the regulars: I discovered that the jre-7u13-windows-x64.exe giving error 1335 on my Windows 8 above had different SHA256 to the original. Correct SHA256 is 5B4DA159 B88029CF BB5E6619 83E2DAB2 256D200A 9955879C 22724AB2 BC073C28 . But ...
#294 [04:13] <Lutzee> Er what?
#295 [04:14] <AM2> I am just reporting a finding that may have affected others.
#296 [04:14] * cestislife is confused.
#296 [04:14] <cestislife> Are you saying that Java will not install?
#297 [04:14] <AM2> To the regulars, continued: ... each time I copied the .exe from the downloaded location to my USB stick, the SHA256 changed, randomly. Even when wrapped in a zip, the zip's SHA256 changed when copied!
#298 [04:15] <AM2> cestislife, no I managed to get it to install now, but only by downloading directly to the USB stick.
#299 [04:16] <AM2> cestislife, either my USB stick is producing errors, my Windows Vista corrupts when dragging and dropping to USB, or worse. But I can consistently avoid this corruption by downloading directly. I've never seen this before.
#300 [04:17] <Lutzee> It sounds like such a rare occurance to be fair, i've never heard of it before
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#317 [05:36] <tyteen4a03> AM2, are you sure it's not just corrupted install on your side?
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#326 [06:20] <NoBody> hello
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#329 [06:22] <NoBody> I can’t purchase Minecraft. Paypal doesnt work like he have to :/ (sorry my english)
#330 [06:23] <Mystical> I have a 64 bit system but my render cant be put my render on far ..it sais u dont have 64 bit java....
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#333 [06:26] <Mystical> ok it sais dont ask for help but ois there someone who can help?
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#335 [06:27] <Mystical> Hello???
#336 [06:29] <Mystical> ok this doesnt work!!!!
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#346 [06:38] <Mystical> i need help with game not seeing my java 64 bit for far render in game
#347 [06:39] <Zen> uninstall every version of java you havethen only install java 64bit
#348 [06:40] <Mystical> i did
#349 [06:40] <Mystical> but its still sais i dont habe 64 bit
#350 [06:41] <Zen> You still hava java 32bit installed somewhere if you are playing in a browser chances are its only a 32bit browser and only supports 32bit java.
#351 [06:42] <Mystical> i have bought the game so not in browser.. i will take a look again but im sure i uninstalled all older versions of java
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#356 [07:00] <Mystical> i uninstalled java and installed the new 7.13 64 bit version, but still the Game still doesnt se the 64 bit...what can i do?
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#361 [07:08] <Mystical> is it possible that the game doesnt recocnise my 64 bit java but still used far render?
#362 [07:08] <Mystical> coz on far render it doesnt show any fog and on normal it does
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#364 [07:12] <Mystical> hello any help here?
#365 [07:18] <Mystical> so many people online and noone can help me?
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#369 [07:41] <marc> minecraft is crashed. what to do?
#370 [07:43] * tyteen4a03 pops
#370 [07:44] <tyteen4a03> Mystical, there are a lot of people online, yes - but 99% of them are idle, meaning that they are away
#371 [07:44] <tyteen4a03> Mystical, and 95% of them are not helpers
#372 [07:44] <tyteen4a03> marc, do you have a crash report?
#373 [07:44] <tyteen4a03> Mystical, now, what is your issue?
#374 [07:44] <marc> yes
#375 [07:44] <Mystical> ow hi
#376 [07:44] <tyteen4a03> marc, can you paste it on pastebin.com?
#377 [07:44] <tyteen4a03> ??> marc pastebin
#378 [07:44] <VoxelHead> marc: (pastebin) Pastebin is a service run at http://www.pastebin.com/ which facilitates the sharing of information without flooding IRC channels. Paste your text there, click 'Submit', and give us the URL the site takes you to, and we can see what you have pasted.
#379 [07:45] <Mystical> about the far render ..if i select it mc ais i dont have 64 bit java, i uninstalled all versions and installed the nevest 64 bit but still the game sais i dont have 64 bit
#380 [07:45] <tyteen4a03> Mystical, Windows I presume?
#381 [07:46] <Mystical> yyes windows 7
#382 [07:46] <tyteen4a03> ??> Mystical win/dxdiag/bat
#383 [07:46] <VoxelHead> Mystical: (win/dxdiag/bat) Please download this file. Save it anywhere and run it. After a while it will show you a textfile. Paste the contents of that file on www.pastebin.com copy the link you are sent to, and paste it to us.
#384 [07:46] <VoxelHead> Mystical: (win/dxdiag/bat) Windows DxDiag Collector: http://mcfaq.hfbgaming.com/tools/CreateDxdiag.bat
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#386 [07:47] <Rikairchy> so AM2 can't install java?
#387 [07:48] <Mystical> where do i find that file?
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#389 [07:49] <cestislife> Mystical: (win/dxdiag/bat) Windows DxDiag Collector: http://mcfaq.hfbgaming.com/tools/CreateDxdiag.bat
#390 [07:49] <tyteen4a03> Rikairchy, AM2 is a former helper
#391 [07:49] <tyteen4a03> Rikairchy, now he just hangs out around here
#392 [07:49] <Rikairchy> hm
#393 [07:49] <tyteen4a03> Rikairchy, also he suspects that Oracle's latest Java installer is corrupted as it returned a different SHA2 than the ones posted on the Oracle website
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#398 [07:53] <Mystical> i need to send u the link of the browser? where do i send it?
#399 [07:54] <tyteen4a03> Mystical, pastebin.com
#400 [07:54] <Mystical> yeah i copied the file and put it there
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#402 [07:55] <kaller2002> It said ---- Minecraft Crash Report ---- // Would you like a cupcake? Time: 2/19/13 7:52 AM Description: Failed to start game java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: duplicate key: More Pistons at com.google.common.base.Preconditions.checkArgument(Preconditions.java:119) at com.google.common.collect.RegularImmutableMap.<init>(RegularImmutableMap.java:70) at com.google.common.collect.ImmutableMap$Builder.fromEntryList(ImmutableMap.
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#404 [07:55] <kaller2002> and I was longer
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#407 [07:57] <Anencephalus> I've purchased minecraft a while back through minecraft.net. I have forgotten my password (or simply can't log in), but when i request a mail I get nothing - not even in the spam filter. Have tried entering both mail and username on respective pages.
#408 [07:57] <o_^> did you upgrade to a mojang account?
#409 [07:58] <Mystical> i posted the file on pastebin.com and now what?
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#411 [07:58] <Anencephalus> no, don't remember doing that..
#412 [08:02] <cestislife> Mystical: Share the url here, to the paste you just did.
#413 [08:03] <Mystical> http://pastebin.com/Emzgpxyd
#414 [08:05] <Rikairchy> integrated :s
#415 [08:08] <Mystical> hey cestislife , dont go sleeping on me when were trying to solve the problem
#416 [08:09] <Rikairchy> Mystical:
#417 [08:09] <Rikairchy> what seems to be the issue?
#418 [08:09] <Rikairchy> I may be of some service
#419 [08:09] <Mystical> that MC doesnt recocnice my 64 bit java .
#420 [08:10] <Rikairchy> is it using the 32 bit version?
#421 [08:10] <Mystical> if i try to put it on Far render it sais i need 64 bit java and have 32 bit but i just installed it again and reinstalled all other versions i had
#422 [08:11] <Rikairchy> okay
#423 [08:11] <Rikairchy> open a command prompt and type in "java --version" without quotes
#424 [08:12] <Rikairchy> oops
#425 [08:12] <Mystical> sorry im not a computer wiz...how do i open a command prompt
#426 [08:12] <Rikairchy> -version, not --version
#427 [08:14] <Rikairchy> okay
#428 [08:14] <Rikairchy> press the windows key
#429 [08:14] <Rikairchy> between CTRL and ALT
#430 [08:14] <Rikairchy> then type in "cmd" without quotes
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#432 [08:16] <Mystical> its sais it doesnt recocnise it as a valid command
#433 [08:16] <Rikairchy> ah
#434 [08:16] <Rikairchy> I have a fix for this, but its quickest if we use teamviewer
#435 [08:17] <Mystical> sorry i dont like t share my oc with strangers
#436 [08:17] <Rikairchy> okay then.
#437 [08:17] <Rikairchy> I
#438 [08:17] <Rikairchy> I can try to explain it
#439 [08:18] <Mystical> ok
#440 [08:18] <Rikairchy> you need to add a path to the 64 bit version of java in your environmental variables
#441 [08:18] <Rikairchy> then download the minecraft.jar from minecraft.net
#442 [08:19] <Rikairchy> then use a script (such as java -jar C:\Users\username\minecraft.jar) to run it
#443 [08:19] <Rikairchy> best way I know to force java 64
#444 [08:19] <Rikairchy> unless anyone else here as a better idea
#445 [08:20] <clarjon1> Uninstall java 32 and java 64
#446 [08:20] <clarjon1> Then install java 32 first, then java64
#447 [08:20] <Rikairchy> :o
#448 [08:20] <Rikairchy> clarjon1: appears
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#451 [08:20] <Rikairchy> -:
#452 [08:20] <clarjon1> Java 64 should set itself in the path
#453 [08:20] <Rikairchy> clarjon1: it didnt for me
#454 [08:20] <clarjon1> Or is it 64 first, then 32?
#455 [08:21] <Rikairchy> I've tried both
#456 [08:21] <clarjon1> Rikairchy: It did for me
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#458 [08:21] <Rikairchy> some just won't do it
#459 [08:21] <clarjon1> Then again, I'm one of the ones who have no issues with java 7 and minecraft.
#460 [08:21] <Mystical> maybe MC doesnt recocnise it but if i put it on Far the fog has gone but still seems i cant see all the way
#461 [08:22] <clarjon1> Mystical: Does it seem like it just cuts off after a distance?
#462 [08:22] <Mystical> yes
#463 [08:22] <Rikairchy> ooh clarjon1
#464 [08:22] <clarjon1> Mystical: That's Normal. :)
#465 [08:22] <Rikairchy> setx path "%path%;c:\newpath"
#466 [08:22] <clarjon1> Mystical: Happens to me, and I play on Far all the time
#467 [08:22] <Mystical> but normal has the same distance just with a lil fog in it
#468 [08:23] <clarjon1> No i mean
#469 [08:23] <clarjon1> that behaviour is to be expected, it's a normal thing.
#470 [08:23] <Rikairchy> clarjon1 isnt a normal thing :<
#471 [08:23] <clarjon1> mneah.
#472 [08:23] <Mystical> but if i watch vids of others their render seems to be further then mine
#473 [08:23] <clarjon1> Oh, i see.
#474 [08:24] <clarjon1> Mystical: So you're saying Far is just Normal without the fog then?
#475 [08:24] <Mystical> and they are not using mods
#476 [08:24] <Mystical> yes it is
#477 [08:24] <clarjon1> Huh, interesting.
#478 [08:24] <Rikairchy> try a force update
#479 [08:24] <Mystical> did that still the same
#480 [08:25] <Rikairchy> well
#481 [08:25] <Rikairchy> I doubt your computer can handle it then
#482 [08:26] <Mystical> well i got a 64 bit and 6 gm so it must notbe a problem
#483 [08:26] <Mystical> 6BG
#484 [08:26] <Rikairchy> lol
#485 [08:26] <Mystical> GB
#486 [08:26] <Rikairchy> its your integrated graphics
#487 [08:26] <Rikairchy> 64bit and RAM are not the bottleneck
#488 [08:26] <Rikairchy> its your APU
#489 [08:26] <Mystical> HD 2 G graphics
#490 [08:27] <Rikairchy> ....
#491 [08:27] <Rikairchy> its integrated graphics
#492 [08:27] <Mystical> yes thats intergraded
#493 [08:27] <Rikairchy> its not going to get you very far, usually
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#496 [08:29] <clarjon1> Mystical: Your integrated graphics card is the issue.
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#499 [08:29] <clarjon1> Mystical: While Minecraft appears to be retro with simple graphics, it actually uses quite high-end rendering technologies.
#500 [08:30] <Mystical> hmm... iespecially bought this laptop for playing games evry other heavy game it plays without any problems
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#502 [08:30] <clarjon1> Minecraft Isn't Other Games
#503 [08:30] <Mystical> iknow
#504 [08:30] <Rikairchy> lol
#505 [08:31] <Rikairchy> heavy games being..?
#506 [08:31] <Mystical> Black ops and stuff liek that
#507 [08:31] <Rikairchy> on extremely low settings?
#508 [08:31] <Mystical> no on max settings even
#509 [08:32] <Rikairchy> ....right.
#510 [08:33] <Rikairchy> its a dual-core A4
#511 [08:33] <Rikairchy> base clocked at 1.9GHz
#512 [08:34] <Rikairchy> I'm not sure how you're able to run Black Ops on max settings.
#513 [08:35] <clarjon1> I've never heard of Minecraft doing what Mystical is saying what it's doing either.
#514 [08:35] <clarjon1> Being on far, but only rendering as far as normal?
#515 [08:35] <Mystical> yes clarion
#516 [08:35] <clarjon1> Even on my cruddy laptop, it'd render far as far if you told it to, even if it lagged you out.
#517 [08:35] <Rikairchy> well it prolly is doing smooth FPS
#518 [08:36] <Rikairchy> rendering as far as it can without dropping the FPS
#519 [08:36] <clarjon1> Hmm, could be.
#520 [08:36] <clarjon1> In which case, it's using Mystical's graphics card to it's full extent.
#521 [08:36] <Mystical> fps is around 30
#522 [08:37] <Rikairchy> yeah
#523 [08:37] <Rikairchy> then its prolly a smooth graphics then
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#525 [08:39] <Mystical> ok looking better my normal ist as far when i put on far render so maybe MC doesnt recognise it but still uses Far..is that possible
#526 [08:39] <Rikairchy> Mystical: how are you able to run Black Ops on max settings?
#527 [08:39] <clarjon1> Rikairchy: It could be his gfx chip has directx stuff built-in
#528 [08:39] <Rikairchy> you need at least an 8600GT with a dual core processor at least running at 2.4GHz
#529 [08:39] <Rikairchy> his dual core is 1.9
#530 [08:40] <Rikairchy> this is the bare minimum specs
#531 [08:40] <clarjon1> True.
#532 [08:40] <Rikairchy> clarjon1: its an APU
#533 [08:40] <Mystical> i have APU
#534 [08:40] <Rikairchy> yes. you have an APU
#535 [08:41] <airgel> i have a problem with minecraft.net.im not sure if this is the best place to ask.if i try to login on minecraft.net, it keeps asking security questions over and over again.does anyone have the same problem?
#536 [08:42] <Mystical> so my AMD A4 - 3300M APU with 1,9 Ghz is to low for far render on MC?
#537 [08:42] <Rikairchy> probably
#538 [08:42] <clarjon1> A4 3300M?
#539 [08:43] <Mystical> thats what it sais here
#540 [08:43] <clarjon1> ah
#541 [08:45] <tyteen4a03> ok... I need to stop forgetting this place
#542 [08:45] <Rikairchy> sup tyteen4a03
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#544 [08:45] <Rikairchy> how's korea
#545 [08:45] * Rikairchy run
#545 [08:46] <tyteen4a03> Rikairchy, I think it's great, except I have never been there
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#547 [08:47] <tyteen4a03> and yes Mystical, your computer looks pretty slow
#548 [08:47] <Mystical> 6480G i saw someone say something about needing more
#549 [08:47] <tyteen4a03> I suppose clarjon1 or Rikairchy have walked you through how to install Java 6 64bit version?
#550 [08:47] <Mystical> i can overclock it to 2,5 Ghz if needed will that sole the problem?
#551 [08:48] <tyteen4a03> Mystical, if overheating is not a factor then yes, it will help
#552 [08:49] <Mystical> well that what im not sure about
#553 [08:49] <Mystical> lol
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#555 [08:49] <Mystical> not a pc wiz...
#556 [08:49] <uraz139uraz> Bad Video Drivers
#557 [08:49] <tyteen4a03> uraz139uraz, Windows I presume?
#558 [08:49] <uraz139uraz> I can't play Minecraft
#559 [08:50] <uraz139uraz> presume i don't know ..
#560 [08:50] <Rikairchy> tyteen4a03:
#561 [08:50] <tyteen4a03> uraz139uraz, are you on Windows?
#562 [08:50] <Rikairchy> long story short, Mystical wants to run it on far, but it wont render far enough
#563 [08:50] <tyteen4a03> Rikairchy, what
#564 [08:50] <uraz139uraz> yeah İuse Windows Xp
#565 [08:50] <Rikairchy> people still use XP o.o
#566 [08:51] <tyteen4a03> Rikairchy, yes, and I saw
#567 [08:51] <uraz139uraz> yeah :)
#568 [08:51] <tyteen4a03> ??> uraz139uraz win/dxdiag/bat
#569 [08:51] <VoxelHead> uraz139uraz: (win/dxdiag/bat) Please download this file. Save it anywhere and run it. After a while it will show you a textfile. Paste the contents of that file on www.pastebin.com copy the link you are sent to, and paste it to us.
#570 [08:51] <VoxelHead> uraz139uraz: (win/dxdiag/bat) Windows DxDiag Collector: http://mcfaq.hfbgaming.com/tools/CreateDxdiag.bat
#571 [08:51] <Rikairchy> alright guys
#572 [08:51] <tyteen4a03> Rikairchy, Windows XP suck, but probably still the most stable windows version
#573 [08:51] <Rikairchy> behave
#574 [08:51] <Rikairchy> or slenderman will get you
#575 [08:51] <Rikairchy> bye bye
#576 [08:51] * tyteen4a03 kicked Rikairchy from #minecrafthelp (Reason: ikairchy :Rikairchy)
#577 [08:52] <tyteen4a03> oops, forgot the reason
#578 [08:52] <uraz139uraz> What the HELL THİS İS ??
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#580 [08:52] <Rikairchy> ...
#581 [08:52] <Rikairchy> tyteen4a03:
#582 [08:52] <tyteen4a03> Rikairchy, I wanted to attach bye bye in the reason but ended up kicing you with no reason
#583 [08:52] <Rikairchy> i have some very not nice words for you.
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#585 [08:52] <tyteen4a03> Rikairchy, please say them privately and I will happily pleasure myself with them
#586 [08:52] <tyteen4a03> uraz139uraz, please read the instructions carefully
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#588 [08:52] <uraz139uraz> Yes
#589 [08:53] <uraz139uraz> Okey
#590 [08:53] <tyteen4a03> Rikairchy, <3
#591 [08:53] <Rikairchy> lawl
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#614 [10:11] <bobby_> i cannot log into mincraft, it says log in failed and it is not downloaded
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#618 [10:25] <mrsduffmyster09> My minecraft skin never works, I've tried everything and even had a friend try it for me. I know I am doing it right. Why won't my skin ever show up?
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#623 [10:27] <bobby_> i cannot log into minecraft, even though my connection is fine, and i have the right username/password. i also cannot play ofline because it says not downloaded
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#625 [10:28] <clarjon1> bobby_: What is your minecraft username?
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#628 [10:29] <bobby_> ?
#629 [10:29] <clarjon1> bobby_: Your minecraft username.
#630 [10:29] <sevelboen> I purchased a login, but now i unable to login?
#631 [10:29] <bobby_> is that my email?
#632 [10:29] <bobby_> idk, im still on trial version
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#634 [10:30] <clarjon1> Hm, I've never personally messed with the trial version. I suppose I should sometime.
#635 [10:31] <bobby_> i cant play the demo or classic versions online either because all i see is a blank window where the game should be
#636 [10:31] <clarjon1> Hm, have you made sure that your Java is up to date, and installed properly?
#637 [10:31] <bobby_> i have it on ver 6
#638 [10:32] <bobby_> i dont know if it is working
#639 [10:32] <clarjon1> http://www.java.com/en/download/testjava.jsp Try visiting that page
#640 [10:32] <bobby_> im on chrome, il try firefox now
#641 [10:33] <bobby_> updating java now
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#643 [10:34] <clarjon1> bobby_: Hopefully that will help :)
#644 [10:35] <bobby_> no, on firefox, i went to try demo version and its just the backround texture
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#649 [10:53] <rubberduck3456> hello/
#650 [10:53] <rubberduck3456> hello?
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#652 [10:54] <rubberduck3456> I have a question
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#655 [10:56] <K3V1N8700> how do i disallow spawn eggs or just 1 specefic spawn egg
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#660 [10:59] <jason> i purchased minecraft and when i went to download it nothing happened. i cannot get this game. my credit card was charged and i have NO GAME!!! PLEASE HELP!!
#661 [11:00] <jason> is there a phone number i can call for MINECRAFT help? not yahoo help, minecraft help
#662 [11:00] <worldmc> jason first calm down. second you can download the game on the website
#663 [11:00] <worldmc> jason, http://minecraft.net/
#664 [11:01] <worldmc> you should find a download button. as i assume that you are on windows
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#666 [11:01] <worldmc> if you are on a mac then look in the appstore
#667 [11:01] <jason> i do not appreciate the calm down comment! and i did go to the site and clicked on download. it did nothing
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#670 [11:02] <worldmc> are you on windows ?
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#672 [11:03] <jason> yes...windows
#673 [11:03] <worldmc> did you download the minecraft.exe ?
#674 [11:03] <K3V1N8700> how do i disallow spawn eggs or just 1 specefic spawn egg
#675 [11:04] <worldmc> K3V1N8700, i dont think that that is possible. there isnt a config setting or such that makes that happen.
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#677 [11:04] <jason> i tried to download it and nothing happens. i disabled the virus software and tried to download it again and nothing! when i click on the download button i hit run and the nothing
#678 [11:05] <worldmc> what browser?
#679 [11:05] <jason> ]windows
#680 [11:05] <clarjon1> Windows is your operating system
#681 [11:06] <clarjon1> Your web browser is an application that is used to open web pages.
#682 [11:06] <worldmc> browser examples: chrome firefox
#683 [11:06] <clarjon1> Examples: Internet Explorer, Firefox, Chrome, Opera
#684 [11:06] <jason> internet explorer
#685 [11:06] <worldmc> okay
#686 [11:06] <worldmc> i shall try if it works for me
#687 [11:06] <jason> ok
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#690 [11:09] <worldmc> it works for me jason. do you have popups/downloads disabled?
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#692 [11:11] <jason> these were some of the steps i took: cliked donwload now button; clicked minecraft.exe; clicked run; clicked minecraft 1.4.7 - nothing happens. then i went bacl and tried to click other links and the same thing. i cant understand why it just doesnt download when you click the download button!!
#693 [11:11] <worldmc> https://s3.amazonaws.com/MinecraftDownload/launcher/Minecraft.exe
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#695 [11:11] <worldmc> this is the direct link. try that
#696 [11:12] <jason> ok....will you be here for a minute? can i get back to you after i've tried that?
#697 [11:12] <clarjon1> Oh
#698 [11:12] <tyteen4a03> jason, firstly, don't use Internet Explorer to download anything
#699 [11:12] <clarjon1> Ohhh
#700 [11:12] <clarjon1> Jason
#701 [11:12] <tyteen4a03> jason, secondly, try that direct link or use Chrome
#702 [11:12] <clarjon1> The links inside of the launcher program are just update announcements
#703 [11:12] <clarjon1> You need to enter your mojang account details and click the button to log in
#704 [11:13] <clarjon1> Clicking Minecraft 1.4.7 inside of the minecraft.exe program does not download anything, as it's an announcement news page :)
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#706 [11:13] <clarjon1> The game will be automagically downloaded and run once you enter the login details associated with a premium account in the minecraft.exe :)
#707 [11:14] <jason> yes but after i log in and click download, my only options are to click on other link since nothing happens
#708 [11:15] <tyteen4a03> jason, go to Minecraft.exe, launch it, enter your Mojang account details and log in
#709 [11:15] <tyteen4a03> jason, after that, what does the Standalone Launcher tell you?
#710 [11:15] <jason> i clicked the link you sent me and nothing happens. a box comes up with minecraft news and thats it.
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#712 [11:16] <worldmc> there you have to login in the bottom right corner
#713 [11:17] <clarjon1> jason: http://xfcab.com/aa/login.png
#714 [11:17] <RachLynM> Can't get into the sky-sg.com Super Games surver
#715 [11:18] <jason> i think i got it...you helped me....thank you SO much!
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#717 [11:19] <clarjon1> RachLynM: well, you'll need to talk to the people who run that server
#718 [11:19] <RachLynM> I dont know who runs it because i cant get on
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#722 [11:26] <clarjon1> pfft.
#723 [11:27] <worldmc> ?
#724 [11:28] <clarjon1> I checked out the server that Rach couldn't get on -- their server IP doesn't go to their website, you have to log into the server to fidn that, their website forum doesn't have any place to ask for help, just for mod applications
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#746 [12:15] <HI> deutsch?
#747 [12:15] <HI> german?
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#762 [12:50] <FrankieTrooper> help minecraft damaged..can not login and can not delete from my computer & redownload..says file corrupt please help..!!
#763 [12:50] <worldmc> FrankieTrooper, i assume that you are on a mac
#764 [12:50] <FrankieTrooper> no I am on PC w/vista
#765 [12:51] <worldmc> thats odd
#766 [12:51] <worldmc> never saw that one
#767 [12:51] <FrankieTrooper> yea it worked great..now..nada..
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#770 [12:52] <worldmc> can you force update?
#771 [12:52] <FrankieTrooper> my baby sister was on here yesterday..maybe she messed with files..I do not know, how do i?
#772 [12:52] <worldmc> ??> FrankieTrooper forceupdate
#773 [12:52] <VoxelHead> FrankieTrooper: (forceupdate) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#774 [12:52] <VoxelHead> FrankieTrooper: (forceupdate) To do so, start Minecraft, press 'Options' (above the 'Login' button), Press 'Force update!', then press 'Done', and login to Minecraft. See http://i.imgur.com/5b09B.png for visual instructions.
#775 [12:53] <worldmc> if that doesnt work then wait for someone to help you and disable the anitvirus so it doesnt look for the minecraft.jar
#776 [12:53] <FrankieTrooper> thanks I'll give it a try! I sure hope it helps!! Thanks again..
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#779 [12:56] <FrankieTrooper> Voxe1Head..you rock!! Thank you!!
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#794 [13:19] <cosmicpeanut> Hi, i'm not sure if this is the right place for it but i have a
#795 [13:19] <cosmicpeanut> ticking screen error when i try to join my server
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#797 [13:20] <mattym> Just a server, or does it happen in a single player world?
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#799 [13:21] <anna_> I need help
#800 [13:21] <cosmicpeanut> SMP only, i have mods installed but its forge and the same mods are on the server side
#801 [13:21] <anna_> I dont know what the means
#802 [13:22] <mattym> cosmicpeanut The mods are causing this issue, you probably have some sort of incompatability
#803 [13:22] <mattym> but otherwise this is not the channel for mod help
#804 [13:22] <anna_> I just am a mom that is trying to get the game on the computer
#805 [13:22] <cosmicpeanut> ok thanks
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#807 [13:22] <mattym> anna_ What is your issue?
#808 [13:22] <anna_> I cant download the game
#809 [13:22] <mattym> on a Mac?
#810 [13:23] <anna_> I paid and my computer wont let me download
#811 [13:23] <anna_> windows 7
#812 [13:23] <mattym> When you say wont download, what do you mean
#813 [13:23] <mattym> Have you downloaded the launcher yet, or nothing at all
#814 [13:24] <anna_> it says cant download and says retry
#815 [13:24] <anna_> or cancel
#816 [13:24] <kacpebak11> hi there, how is possible if i bought game trough internet and registered with personal log and still nothing password an log in incorrect i can't play with the minecraft game, can someone help me?
#817 [13:24] <mattym> anna_ Are you using Internet Explorer to try the download?
#818 [13:25] <anna_> I just tried to launch in and it said cannot download
#819 [13:25] <anna_> yes I think
#820 [13:25] <mattym> Do you have another browser
#821 [13:25] <anna_> Is there someone to call to walk me through
#822 [13:25] <mattym> no, no phone number
#823 [13:26] <mattym> kacpebak11 When did you purchase the game?
#824 [13:26] <anna_> I guess I will try a friend that has son with this minecraft game thanks anyway
#825 [13:26] <mattym> ok
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#827 [13:27] <kacpebak11> yesterday i bought
#828 [13:27] <mattym> did you get the confirmation email
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#830 [13:29] <kacpebak11> yes everything i got You have successfully made a payment to Mojang AB using your credit/debit card (VISA, 4xxxxxxxxxxx2186) on 18 Feb 2013. The amount of EUR 19.95 has successfully been debited from your credit/debit card. This charge will appear on your card statement as a debit by: Minecraft
#831 [13:30] <mattym> Did you follow the directions in the email and finish making your Minecraft profile on http://mojang.com
#832 [13:36] <kacpebak11> yes i did it
#833 [13:37] <mattym> Ok when you are logging into the minecraft launcher, are you using your email and password, the same as with your mojang account
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#841 [13:43] <kacpebak11> its work now, i didn't put the same details when i was logging, thank you :)
#842 [13:43] <kacpebak11> its work now, i didn't put the same details when i was logging, thank you :)
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#848 [14:02] <jimmy_> hi is there anyone of mojang that could assist in helping me?
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#854 [14:07] <mattym|away> jimmy_ This is a volunteer support channel, but tell us the issue and we will see what we can do
#855 [14:08] <jimmy_> oh, it's alright. I just opened a support ticket @ mojang. thanks for replying
#856 [14:08] <tyteen4a03> mattym|away, you mean volunteer-run, it sounds like we support volunteers :P
#857 [14:08] <tyteen4a03> jimmy_, what is the issue?
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#860 [14:09] <mattym|away> tyteen4a03 symantics...
#861 [14:09] <tyteen4a03> mattym|away, eeyup
#862 [14:09] <nicovez> my minecraft is very slow, in particular during the scroll down or up. any idea ?
#863 [14:09] <jimmy_> @nicovez, could be your computer
#864 [14:10] <nicovez> what can I check Jimmy ?
#865 [14:10] <tyteen4a03> nicovez, has this happened before?
#866 [14:10] <nicovez> yes always slow
#867 [14:10] <Calinou> ??> nicovez win/dxdiag
#868 [14:10] <VoxelHead> nicovez: (win/dxdiag) Press the Win+R keys, and type "dxdiag" (no quotes) in the box. Press enter. If prompted about verifying WHQL, select Yes. Once it has finished loading, click the "Save All Information" button and save it to your desktop.
#869 [14:10] <VoxelHead> nicovez: (win/dxdiag) Open the file you just saved, and copy the contents. Paste them on http://pastebin.com/ and click Submit. Then, copy the link in your browser's address bar and paste it back here.
#870 [14:10] * Calinou crosses finger for slow CPU/GPU
#870 [14:10] <tyteen4a03> Calinou, /bat\
#871 [14:11] <tyteen4a03> ??> nicovez win/dxdiag/bat
#872 [14:11] * Calinou has more than one finger, oops
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#873 [14:11] <VoxelHead> nicovez: (win/dxdiag/bat) Please download this file. Save it anywhere and run it. After a while it will show you a textfile. Paste the contents of that file on www.pastebin.com copy the link you are sent to, and paste it to us.
#874 [14:11] <VoxelHead> nicovez: (win/dxdiag/bat) Windows DxDiag Collector: http://mcfaq.hfbgaming.com/tools/CreateDxdiag.bat
#875 [14:11] <tyteen4a03> nicovez, uses this instead, will do more work for ya
#876 [14:11] <tyteen4a03> jimmy_, in IRC to tag somebody simply say their full name
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#878 [14:11] <nicovez> ok thanks to all I will try
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#880 [14:12] <jimmy_> but yeah to just publicize it. my problem was that I was attacked by an anonymous "hacker", found my skype name which is the same name as my minecraft name.
#881 [14:12] <tyteen4a03> jimmy_, I see... yeah, will need Mojang
#882 [14:13] <BigDaddySJD> how do I use this site
#883 [14:13] <tyteen4a03> jimmy_, also be this a warning that you should use a much more secure password, like "battery staple correct horse"
#884 [14:13] <jimmy_> I know Mojang states there are no username change at all, maybe in the future. but it's really serious, maybe they can reconsider.
#885 [14:13] <tyteen4a03> BigDaddySJD, what do you need?
#886 [14:14] <tyteen4a03> jimmy_, you should migrate to Mojang accounts if you haven't, it doesn't use your username to log in
#887 [14:14] <BigDaddySJD> I bought Minecraft for my XBox and I want to also run the game on my PC... do I have to buy it again?
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#889 [14:14] <tyteen4a03> BigDaddySJD, yes
#890 [14:14] <DJT1n1> Hello
#891 [14:14] <tyteen4a03> hi DJT1n1
#892 [14:14] <jimmy_> tyteen4a03, oh trust me. My passwords are very secure. Also I was live-casting on twitch.tv and apparently this hacker just wanted to ruin my day. :sadface:
#893 [14:14] <tyteen4a03> jimmy_, another reason you should migrate to Mojang accounts
#894 [14:14] <DJT1n1> I need to know why my animals don't show hearts when I bread them
#895 [14:14] <nicovez> here we go :
#896 [14:14] <nicovez> System Information
#897 [14:15] <jimmy_> Well, I'm not scared of my account being hacked. its more of people who wants to ruin my stream by "DDOSing" me
#898 [14:15] <BigDaddySJD> is there a monthly fee to play the game?
#899 [14:15] <tyteen4a03> nicovez, paste them in pastebin.com
#900 [14:15] <jimmy_> bigdaddysjd no there is not
#901 [14:15] <tyteen4a03> BigDaddySJD, nope, a 29.95 one time fee and it's yours forever
#902 [14:15] <tyteen4a03> jimmy_, a good livestreaming solution should not allow the viewers to DDoS your server
#903 [14:15] <BigDaddySJD> ok thank you... very helpful...
#904 [14:15] <jimmy_> DJT1n1, maybe your particles are set to minimal
#905 [14:15] <DJT1n1> Why don't my animals show hearts when they breed
#906 [14:16] <DJT1n1> Oh ok
#907 [14:16] <DJT1n1> Oh ok
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#909 [14:16] <jimmy_> Yep
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#911 [14:16] <DJT1n1> There was something else I forget hat though
#912 [14:17] <tyteen4a03> DJT1n1, taken your time
#913 [14:17] <nicovez> no problem found in dxdiag notes...memory 4096
#914 [14:17] <tyteen4a03> nicovez, just pastebin the whole file
#915 [14:17] <tyteen4a03> nicovez, there are a lot of places we check in a dxdiag report
#916 [14:18] <DJT1n1> Idk ill be back if I remember
#917 [14:18] <tyteen4a03> DJT1n1, sure
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#919 [14:22] <nicovez> http://pastebin.com/aZy0k03u
#920 [14:25] <jimmy_> nicovez, well as I can see it. Your computer parts are really made for gaming. Your CPU is running as a clock speed of 1.3GHz.
#921 [14:26] <jimmy_> aren't*
#922 [14:26] <jimmy_> typo there.. Your computer parts are not made for gaming.
#923 [14:28] <nicovez> ok I see, thanks for the update...maybe in my Mac it will be better...another game to download ! ;-((
#924 [14:28] <jimmy_> nicovez, I consider for you to get a new computer that is considered better for games. but also it costs money. In my opinion if the computer can do what I want it to do. I'm happy
#925 [14:28] <jimmy_> nicovez, I consider for you to get a new computer that is considered better for games. but also it costs money. In my opinion if the computer can do what I want it to do. I'm happy
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#929 [14:29] <nicovez> ok Jimmy thank you...
#930 [14:29] <jimmy_> tyteen4a03, what do you think?
#931 [14:29] <jimmy_> no problem
#932 [14:30] <tyteen4a03> what
#933 [14:30] <jimmy_> he posted his dxdiag
#934 [14:31] <tyteen4a03> nicovez, you have a very slow CPU, and a GPU that is not suitable for gaming
#935 [14:31] <nicovez> tyteen, thank you I understand better now...
#936 [14:32] <mouldy-ipad> Indeed
#937 [14:32] <mouldy-ipad> Those specifications are quit low.
#938 [14:33] <mouldy-ipad> *quite
#939 [14:34] <nicovez> ok thanks to all, good evening !
#940 [14:34] <tyteen4a03> nicovez, no problem
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#946 [14:48] <pyromaniac3814> hey do you guys know much about computers and stuff ?
#947 [14:48] <pyromaniac3814> im looking to buy a new pc being mine just broke
#948 [14:49] <pyromaniac3814> i intend it to bee mainly for gaming
#949 [14:49] <pyromaniac3814> how much ram should a computer for gaming have
#950 [14:51] <pyromaniac3814> also whats the sugested reqirements for minecraft now ?
#951 [14:52] <mouldy-ipad> If you're going for gaming, it depends on your price range
#952 [14:52] <mouldy-ipad> 8GB is good for light gaming and is quite cheap
#953 [14:52] <mouldy-ipad> 16GB is good for gaming on medium quality settings
#954 [14:52] <mouldy-ipad> 32GB is perfect for heavy gaming
#955 [14:53] <mouldy-ipad> Can you even get 64GB?
#956 [14:53] <Scott> 8GB should be a minimum due to the price of DDR3. 16GB is plenty for basically everything.
#957 [14:53] <pyromaniac3814> ok
#958 [14:53] <pyromaniac3814> and speed
#959 [14:53] <Scott> 32GB is the maximum for consumer Intel CPUs.
#960 [14:54] <pyromaniac3814> whats a good speed ?
#961 [14:54] <Scott> Speed for what?
#962 [14:54] * mattym|away is now known as mattym
#963 [14:54] <pyromaniac3814> the core speed
#964 [14:54] <Scott> Oh
#965 [14:54] <Scott> Well, we've been using i7-3770s at work for some light stuff and they are amazing.
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#967 [14:55] <Scott> i7-3770, not i7-3770S
#968 [14:55] <clarjon1> Hm.
#969 [14:55] <pyromaniac3814> any brands to avoid ?
#970 [14:55] <mattym> pyromaniac3814 Whats your overall price range?
#971 [14:55] <Scott> Only get an Intel CPU.
#972 [14:56] <mattym> Scott Why?
#973 [14:56] <Scott> Avoid AMD due to performance.
#974 [14:56] <mouldy-ipad> Nah
#975 [14:56] <mouldy-ipad> AMD are fine
#976 [14:56] <mattym> Latest AMD's are a lot better than they used to be
#977 [14:56] <pyromaniac3814> i would like to keep it under 400 but i will pay 550 for a good pc
#978 [14:56] <Scott> I disagree. Intel leads performance wise.
#979 [14:56] <mouldy-ipad> I have 2 builds with their new APU's.
#980 [14:56] <Scott> You're not going to build a gaming computer for $550.
#981 [14:56] <mouldy-ipad> They both run amazing.
#982 [14:56] <mouldy-ipad> Scott, yes you are
#983 [14:56] <pyromaniac3814> naa i not building
#984 [14:57] <Scott> You're definitely not going to buy one for $550 prebuilt lol
#985 [14:57] <mouldy-ipad> Gaming computers are easy to get at $550
#986 [14:57] <mattym> pyromaniac3814 $550 wont get a "good" gaming machine
#987 [14:57] <clarjon1> Scott: According to dmidecode, my laptop will max out at 16 gigs
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#989 [14:57] <Scott> An i7-3770 is $290 by itself.
#990 [14:57] <Scott> clarjon1: Probably because you only have 2 RAM slots.
#991 [14:58] <clarjon1> ah, so 8 gigs maximum per slot then. makes sense.
#992 [14:58] <mattym> clarjon1 motherboards also sometimes have arbitrary limiters on max ram
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#994 [14:58] <Scott> Apple says MacBook Pros can't do more than 8GB but people are using 16GB sticks so...
#995 [14:58] <pyromaniac3814> im not looking for prefection just a tower that can run newer games without problems
#996 [14:58] <clarjon1> Scott: I'm tempted to get a 16GB stick and see if it'll work, heh.
#997 [14:58] <clarjon1> if so, try a second one
#998 [14:58] <Scott> It's possible that it'll work but it's probably not supported.
#999 [14:59] * clarjon1 shrugs
#999 [14:59] <mattym> pyromaniac3814 you could probably find a pc that could do that for $550, but it wont keep up with new games for very long
#1000 [14:59] <clarjon1> If I have hardware issues, i'll just slap the original sticks of ram back in before sending it to HP
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#1002 [15:00] <pyromaniac3814> how this
#1003 [15:00] <pyromaniac3814> http://www.amazon.com/HP-P7-1490-Pavilion-Desktop/dp/B009X8EC90/ref=sr_1_9?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1361303994&sr=1-9&keywords=HP+Pavilion
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#1005 [15:01] <mattym> That has no dedicated graphics
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#1007 [15:01] <pyromaniac3814> ok tell me about that please
#1008 [15:01] <mattym> Its graphics are built into the CPU, you want a system that has a graphics card
#1009 [15:01] <pyromaniac3814> do i have to buy it seprate ?
#1010 [15:01] <barking> my autistic son uses my NATPC to run MCPE and today he opened it and found all his worlds had been wiped. the icons were there but when he opened the worlds all his stuff was gone. Any ideas or help please?? I'm desperate enough to have found you!
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#1012 [15:02] <mattym> barking can you explain a little more what kind of a computer this NATPC is?
#1013 [15:02] <barking> it's an android tablet
#1014 [15:02] <barking> nothing fancy
#1015 [15:02] <mattym> ok
#1016 [15:03] <mattym> on your android OS do you have access to the files?
#1017 [15:03] <barking> he has NOT deleted them
#1018 [15:03] <barking> I don't really know - I've been through every option in settings and can't find anything useful
#1019 [15:03] <barking> I've run out of ideas of where to look on it :(
#1020 [15:03] <mattym> in the Apps area, do you have an icon called My Files
#1021 [15:03] <barking> i'll check - please wait
#1022 [15:04] <mattym> pyromaniac3814 You can buy is sepperate, but with a prebuilt PC you want to get it included
#1023 [15:04] <barking> I have file manager which I've opened
#1024 [15:04] <mattym> ok
#1025 [15:04] <pyromaniac3814> ok so how does one tell if it has a card then ?
#1026 [15:05] <mattym> barking on second, im going through my android to try and figure out how to explain this
#1027 [15:05] <barking> thank you so much
#1028 [15:05] <mattym> pyromaniac3814 this one does, http://www.amazon.com/HP-Envy-h8-1430-Desktop-Black/dp/B009I9MX7W/ref=sr_1_23?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1361304111&sr=1-23&keywords=hp+envy#productDetails
#1029 [15:06] <mattym> barking do you see a folder named games?
#1030 [15:06] <barking> yes - open now
#1031 [15:06] <mattym> do you see com.mojang?
#1032 [15:06] <barking> woo hoo - it has 6 items in mojang!
#1033 [15:06] <mattym> ok
#1034 [15:07] <barking> and each of those has 4 items
#1035 [15:07] <pyromaniac3814> so i want one with a Graphics Coprocessor thing included with it
#1036 [15:07] <barking> do i just open them
#1037 [15:07] <mattym> those should all be the worlds, no lets open one at a time
#1038 [15:07] <barking> k
#1039 [15:07] <mattym> pyromaniac3814 yes, or some will say GPU or Graphics Card
#1040 [15:07] <pyromaniac3814> ok
#1041 [15:07] <mattym> barking open one htat you know is not working
#1042 [15:07] <pyromaniac3814> is acer a good brand ?
#1043 [15:07] <barking> ah - is this where we find the dat files I've read about
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#1045 [15:07] <mattym> yeah maybee
#1046 [15:08] <pyromaniac3814> i have been using a acer for a while
#1047 [15:08] <barking> I've opened one and it has chunks, entities, level, level.dat_old
#1048 [15:08] <mattym> barking find the one "leval.dat" and rename it "level-bad.dat"
#1049 [15:08] <mattym> level*
#1050 [15:08] <mattym> once youve done that, find the one level.dat_old, and rename it to level.dat
#1051 [15:08] <mattym> once youve done that, find the one level.dat_old, and rename it to level.dat
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#1053 [15:09] <barking> sorry - how do I do that? when i touch it to doesn't give me rename as an option
#1054 [15:09] <mattym> touch and hold
#1055 [15:09] <mattym> a menu should come up
#1056 [15:10] <mattym> that work?
#1057 [15:10] <barking> sorry - yes it did but i was following instructions. Both files renamed now
#1058 [15:10] <mattym> ok
#1059 [15:11] <barking> i take it I've got rid of the bad data and reinstalled an old one?
#1060 [15:11] <mattym> so make note of the name of the folder these were in
#1061 [15:11] <mattym> yes, sorta
#1062 [15:11] <mattym> now start minecraftPE
#1063 [15:11] <barking> ok
#1064 [15:11] <mattym> and go to the level with the name of that folder and see if it works
#1065 [15:12] <pyromaniac3814> also do you know if i uninstall the driver for my internal speaker on my laptop would they not play sound ?
#1066 [15:13] <mattym> pyromaniac3814 it should stop playing sound, but depending on the laptop it may use some sort of default driver
#1067 [15:13] <pyromaniac3814> i busted my headphone jack so now it playes my games from both my headphones and my speakers
#1068 [15:13] <pyromaniac3814> i want to turn off my speakers
#1069 [15:13] <barking> ok - i've opened it and the file that i was changing isn't there :S - did i do something wrong?
#1070 [15:13] <mattym> what was the name of that folder?
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#1072 [15:14] <barking> it was Brian's world because that's what he called that one
#1073 [15:14] <mattym> so that world isnt even there anymore?
#1074 [15:14] * tyteen4a03 pops
#1074 [15:14] <barking> it now has two files different - level_bad.dat.dat and level.dat.dat_old
#1075 [15:15] <barking> The file is there and those two have been renamed as above but it doesn't show the icon on MC anymore
#1076 [15:15] <sugoi> that's so meta
#1077 [15:15] <tyteen4a03> sugoi, I am lost in the chat
#1078 [15:15] <mattym> ok thats weird, i think android is limiting the way you can rename files
#1079 [15:15] <barking> bastards
#1080 [15:15] <barking> !
#1081 [15:15] <barking> sorry
#1082 [15:15] <barking> what should I do
#1083 [15:16] <mattym> gimme a second to see if there is a away to do it
#1084 [15:16] <barking> thank you thank you thank you
#1085 [15:16] <tyteen4a03> barking, are you rooted?
#1086 [15:16] <barking> sorry - don't know what that means
#1087 [15:16] <mattym> ok, im sorry, do back into the name editor
#1088 [15:16] <tyteen4a03> barking, if you don't, probably not
#1089 [15:16] <tyteen4a03> mattym, barking: ES File Explorer should give you more freedom in renaming stuff
#1090 [15:17] <barking> tyteen4a03 = not necessarily
#1091 [15:17] <barking> I'm in the name edditor
#1092 [15:17] <mattym> the one that says level_bad.dat.dat and just name it to level_bad
#1093 [15:17] <tyteen4a03> barking, which message are you replying to?
#1094 [15:17] <sugoi> tyteen4a03: ouch, you've just been called not necessarily
#1095 [15:17] <tyteen4a03> sugoi, I know, it hurts :(
#1096 [15:18] <mattym> and the other one, to level
#1097 [15:18] <sugoi> so guys, why are we renaming files?
#1098 [15:18] <mattym> trying to get his MCPE to use the old level.dat
#1099 [15:18] * sugoi is laz
#1099 [15:18] <sugoi> +y
#1100 [15:18] <tyteen4a03> mattym, why not just move the new one somewhere else
#1101 [15:18] <barking> sorry - I'm a middle aged mother trying her best here with one set of hands on the laptop and the other on the android!
#1102 [15:18] <sugoi> oh, the backup?
#1103 [15:19] <barking> I think I may have put a - instead of a _ in the naming so I'm just trying to catch up
#1104 [15:19] <barking> and I'm very confused
#1105 [15:19] <mattym> yeah you dont have to put the .dat in the naming
#1106 [15:20] <mattym> so the one that you renamed to add bad too, just name it to bad
#1107 [15:20] <mattym> and the one that has _old at the end, just name level
#1108 [15:20] <tyteen4a03> sugoi, I have no idea what is happening so... just gonna sit back
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#1110 [15:21] <mattym> tyteen4a03 at least with android, you actually have access to this stuff
#1111 [15:21] <barking> ijust to clarify - I now have one called bad.dat and one called level.dat_old
#1112 [15:21] <barking> is that right?
#1113 [15:21] <mattym> yes
#1114 [15:21] <natesdad> when i get the minecraft launcher box....i try to sign in and it acts like it signing in then the box goes black and disappears
#1115 [15:21] <mattym> now try to run it again
#1116 [15:21] <natesdad> any ideas?|
#1117 [15:21] <barking> sk
#1118 [15:21] <tyteen4a03> natesdad, has Minecraft worked before?
#1119 [15:21] <tyteen4a03> mattym, eh?
#1120 [15:21] <natesdad> no
#1121 [15:22] <natesdad> just installed it
#1122 [15:22] <tyteen4a03> natesdad, Windows I presume?
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#1124 [15:22] <natesdad> yes
#1125 [15:22] <natesdad> 32 bit
#1126 [15:22] <barking> you super genius mattym!!!
#1127 [15:22] <tyteen4a03> ??> natesdad win/dxdiag/bat
#1128 [15:22] <VoxelHead> natesdad: (win/dxdiag/bat) Please download this file. Save it anywhere and run it. After a while it will show you a textfile. Paste the contents of that file on www.pastebin.com copy the link you are sent to, and paste it to us.
#1129 [15:22] <barking> my son's just walked in and seen it and he can't speak
#1130 [15:22] <VoxelHead> natesdad: (win/dxdiag/bat) Windows DxDiag Collector: http://mcfaq.hfbgaming.com/tools/CreateDxdiag.bat
#1131 [15:22] <mattym> that worked, all the stuff is there barking ?
#1132 [15:22] <barking> so do this with the others as well presumably
#1133 [15:22] <barking> yes it is there !!!
#1134 [15:22] <mattym> barking yes, but
#1135 [15:22] <barking> but......
#1136 [15:23] <mattym> barking do the renaming, run the level once, then go back and delete the bad.dat files
#1137 [15:23] <mattym> in that order
#1138 [15:23] <natesdad> ok
#1139 [15:23] <mattym> barking and may i suggest, plug the tablet into your PC every few days, and back up those folders
#1140 [15:23] <barking> right - so, rename the files, run MC to check the world is there and then go back into the file and delete the bad.dat
#1141 [15:23] <mattym> yes
#1142 [15:24] <barking> ok - thank you so much for your help. I really appreciate it. and I will back up each day now
#1143 [15:24] <mattym> barking also, doing the fix this way, may have lost a little bit a what he did, depending on how often he saved
#1144 [15:24] <pyromaniac3814> is six cores to much ?
#1145 [15:25] <pyromaniac3814> seems like overkill
#1146 [15:25] <mattym> pyromaniac3814 Never too much, but not really used by many games
#1147 [15:25] <sugoi> pyromaniac3814: absolutely not
#1148 [15:25] <sugoi> esp. not by minecraft :)
#1149 [15:25] * Corin|Away is now known as Corin
#1150 [15:25] <pyromaniac3814> starcraft 2 ???
#1151 [15:25] <mattym> sugoi you meant :( right?
#1152 [15:25] <sugoi> nope, i smile
#1153 [15:26] <sugoi> i find joy in misery
#1154 [15:26] <pyromaniac3814> lol more cores = less lag right ?
#1155 [15:26] <mattym> ah, one of those, its ok i secretly enjoy it when i fail
#1156 [15:26] <sugoi> pyromaniac3814: only if used correctly
#1157 [15:26] <pyromaniac3814> i dont get it :(
#1158 [15:26] * Me4502|Away is now known as Me4502
#1159 [15:27] <mattym> pyromaniac3814 all more cores do, is help with multitasking
#1160 [15:27] <sugoi> it depends on the program's ... programming, if it is going to lag less or not
#1161 [15:27] <mattym> unless the program or game you are using was made to use multiple cores
#1162 [15:27] <pyromaniac3814> so if i want to run minecraft and starcraft and warcraft all at once it helps with that ?
#1163 [15:27] <sugoi> sure
#1164 [15:27] <pyromaniac3814> i see
#1165 [15:28] <pyromaniac3814> so each core gets a job
#1166 [15:28] <pyromaniac3814> and only gets used if it has a job
#1167 [15:28] <sugoi> but, all other things being different -- running minecraft on say a 2 or 4 core will have no diff on a 6
#1168 [15:28] <sugoi> yep
#1169 [15:28] <mouldy-ipad> Get an SSD.
#1170 [15:28] <pyromaniac3814> huh ?
#1171 [15:28] <mattym> ehhh
#1172 [15:28] <pyromaniac3814> SSD ?
#1173 [15:28] <mattym> Their failure rate is still to high
#1174 [15:28] <sugoi> solid state drive
#1175 [15:28] <natesdad> i sent it
#1176 [15:29] <GreyVulpine> And how would an SSD help during runtime?
#1177 [15:29] <sugoi> natesdad: get the url, paste that here
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#1179 [15:29] <natesdad> lost???
#1180 [15:29] <Leon> Hello
#1181 [15:29] <natesdad> where do i find it
#1182 [15:29] <mattym> natesdad after you hit submit
#1183 [15:29] <mattym> it took you to a page
#1184 [15:30] <mattym> copy the URL from your address bar and paste it here
#1185 [15:30] <natesdad> http://pastebin.com/J1jdunyd
#1186 [15:30] <Leon> Virus ;)
#1187 [15:31] <Leon> :D
#1188 [15:31] <Leon> =-)
#1189 [15:31] <Leon> Rofel
#1190 [15:31] <mattym> Leon if you have a problem state it, dont spam the channel
#1191 [15:31] <Leon> ≈~)
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#1194 [15:32] <mattym> natesdad what was your issue to begin with?
#1195 [15:33] <natesdad> after i try to sign in.....the sign in screen dissapears and then nothing ....
#1196 [15:33] <pyromaniac3814> is HP bad ?
#1197 [15:33] <pyromaniac3814> the brand
#1198 [15:33] <mattym> depends on who you ask
#1199 [15:33] <pyromaniac3814> mojority rules
#1200 [15:34] <mattym> natesdad does it give any error at all, or just close itself
#1201 [15:34] <natesdad> nope....just closes
#1202 [15:34] <mattym> one sec
#1203 [15:34] <natesdad> k
#1204 [15:35] <mattym> tyteen4a03 This was natesdad dxdiag http://pastebin.com/J1jdunyd i have no idea what you were looking for...
#1205 [15:35] <natesdad> sorry guys.....my computer is old and my son wanted this game...
#1206 [15:36] <mattym> natesdad if tyteen got that message he should be able to pick up where he left off, i need to run for the moment
#1207 [15:36] <tyteen4a03> natesdad, your computer is pretty old and Minecraft might not run
#1208 [15:36] * mattym is now known as mattym|away
#1209 [15:36] <tyteen4a03> natesdad, however do try updating your graphics driver first:
#1210 [15:36] <tyteen4a03> ??> natesdad gpu/amd
#1211 [15:36] <VoxelHead> natesdad: (gpu/amd) You can get drivers for AMD (formerly ATI) GPUs here: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/windows/Pages/auto_detect.aspx
#1212 [15:36] <natesdad> ok....
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#1214 [15:38] <pyromaniac3814> hows this
#1215 [15:38] <pyromaniac3814> http://www.amazon.com/HP-Pavilion-p6-2330-Desktop-Black/dp/B009I9N1PU/ref=sr_1_8?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1361306213&sr=1-8&keywords=quad+core+pc
#1216 [15:38] <pyromaniac3814> it has a card thing i think
#1217 [15:39] <mattym|away> sort of, that graphics is built onto the CPU
#1218 [15:39] <pyromaniac3814> and that means ?
#1219 [15:39] <mattym|away> as a gamer myself, its not something i would recommend
#1220 [15:39] <pyromaniac3814> why ?
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#1222 [15:40] <tyteen4a03> pyromaniac3814, avoid Intel GPUs like a plague
#1223 [15:40] <pyromaniac3814> um...
#1224 [15:40] <pyromaniac3814> intel is bad ?
#1225 [15:40] <tyteen4a03> pyromaniac3814, Intel is very bad in terms of GPUS (not to be confused with CPUs)
#1226 [15:40] <mattym|away> tyteen4a03 it has an AMD GPU, but its one of those on on CPU ones froms AMD's A6 line
#1227 [15:41] <tyteen4a03> mattym|away, integrated cards... will pass
#1228 [15:41] <pyromaniac3814> im confused
#1229 [15:41] <tyteen4a03> AMD might have better performance but in general avoid integrated GPUs like a plague
#1230 [15:41] <mattym|away> pass for minecraft, i think hes looking for other general gaming as well
#1231 [15:41] <pyromaniac3814> yea
#1232 [15:42] <pyromaniac3814> so why not intergrated ?
#1233 [15:42] <mattym|away> they are waaay less powerful
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#1235 [15:43] <pyromaniac3814> why you would thing if it was built in it would run better was that a disgin flaw i should avoid with amd ?
#1236 [15:43] <mattym|away> and in general wont keep up with what games need for very long
#1237 [15:43] <tyteen4a03> pyromaniac3814, you should avoid all Integrated Graphical processing units
#1238 [15:44] <tyteen4a03> pyromaniac3814, they are not built for gaming - just normal surfing and whatnot
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#1241 [15:44] <GreyVulpine> pyromaniac3814 - Integrated graphics are low-powered, less costly, and less capable GPUs than dedicated graphics. Integrated GPUs share system RAM instead of having their own. They're built into the motherboard, which limits their capabilities, and their integration with the CPU means that they'll compete for CPU cycles as well as system RAM.
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#1243 [15:45] <mattym|away> pyromaniac3814 only some of their CPU's have it built in
#1244 [15:45] <pyromaniac3814> oh
#1245 [15:45] <pyromaniac3814> so amd is ok then
#1246 [15:45] <mattym|away> For gaming, the best bet is a system that has a CPU that is just a CPU and a Graphics card an its own
#1247 [15:45] <mattym|away> on its*
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#1249 [15:46] <pyromaniac3814> could i buy a cpu without one then get a card ? would that work or would i need it to comewith it ?
#1250 [15:46] <mattym|away> you can, but like i said its not recommended
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#1252 [15:46] <pyromaniac3814> oh ok
#1253 [15:46] <GreyVulpine> Dedicated GPUs have their own processor, their own dedicated video memory, and their own circuitry on a dedicated board, which means they are far more capable than their integrated bretheran.
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#1256 [15:46] <DJSMASHERXIIX> hi
#1257 [15:46] <DJSMASHERXIIX> hello???
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#1259 [15:46] * Dylan is now known as Guest61224
#1260 [15:46] <DJSMASHERXIIX> hi i recently copied and pasted my server world to my saves folder now when i play it it is a water world :(
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#1262 [15:46] <mattym|away> why an i getting the spam bot?
#1263 [15:46] <GreyVulpine> mattym|away - Lag spike
#1264 [15:46] <mattym|away> ah
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#1269 [15:47] <Guest61224> I'm having trouble connecting to my brothers world.
#1270 [15:47] <DJSMASHERXIIX> help me please
#1271 [15:47] * Hidendra` is now known as Hidendra
#1272 [15:47] * mattym|away is away making food and cant see the channel anymore
#1272 [15:48] <pyromaniac3814> how does one tell if its a intergrated one ?
#1273 [15:48] <DJSMASHERXIIX> excuse me help me
#1274 [15:49] <tyteen4a03> DJSMASHERXIIX, water world?
#1275 [15:49] <tyteen4a03> DJSMASHERXIIX, is your server using mods?
#1276 [15:49] * DJSMASHERXIIX is now known as Notch
#1277 [15:49] * VoxelHead kicked Notch from #minecrafthelp (Reason: otch :Banned: Notch impersonation)
#1278 [15:49] <tyteen4a03> Guest61224, on Minecraft, using the Open the LAN feature?
#1279 [15:50] <clarjon1> haha.
#1280 [15:50] <pyromaniac3814> lol poor notch
#1281 [15:50] * DJSMASHERXIIX [DJSMASHERXIIX@notlogged] has joined #minecrafthelp
#1282 [15:51] <DJSMASHERXIIX> ok tell me
#1283 [15:51] <tyteen4a03> DJSMASHERXIIX, I hope you learned your lesson
#1284 [15:51] <tyteen4a03> DJSMASHERXIIX, is your server using mods?
#1285 [15:51] <DJSMASHERXIIX> world edit and guard
#1286 [15:52] <Guest61224> He put on the LAN feature, but when I click on multiplayer, I see his world and I click it, and then I click join server and a message pops up and says, This server has timed out.
#1287 [15:52] <tyteen4a03> DJSMASHERXIIX, we don't support modded worlds
#1288 [15:52] <tyteen4a03> DJSMASHERXIIX, also, any mods on the client?
#1289 [15:52] <DJSMASHERXIIX> ok wat if it wasn't modded
#1290 [15:53] <tyteen4a03> DJSMASHERXIIX, I'm suspecting that one of your mods edited the world and it is now flooded with water
#1291 [15:53] <tyteen4a03> DJSMASHERXIIX, try a vanilla server and see if the same thing happens
#1292 [15:53] <tyteen4a03> *and client
#1293 [15:54] <pyromaniac3814> hows this one
#1294 [15:54] <pyromaniac3814> http://www.amazon.com/Acer-AM3450-UR30P-Desktop-Black/dp/B005J28KGA/ref=sr_1_13?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1361306213&sr=1-13&keywords=quad+core+pc
#1295 [15:54] <DJSMASHERXIIX> uummm but i need world edit on bukkit
#1296 [15:55] <tyteen4a03> DJSMASHERXIIX, try using any method you can think of to remove the water, then try again
#1297 [15:55] * Zimsky is now known as Zim
#1298 [15:55] <tyteen4a03> DJSMASHERXIIX, since you're using mods, one of the mods must be responsible
#1299 [15:56] * DJSMASHERXIIX is now known as DJ
#1300 [15:57] <pyromaniac3814> so is that one intergrated ?
#1301 [15:57] <DJ> oh ok do i need permissions to block world edit issuing random commands responsible for this?
#1302 [15:57] * worldmc is now known as worldmc|off
#1303 [15:58] <clarjon1> DJ: We don't support mods here. Try contacting the mod developer or finding how they provide support :)
#1304 [15:59] * Zim is now known as Zimsky
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#1306 [15:59] <DJ> ok do u know how i can increase my ram for free
#1307 [15:59] <clarjon1> ...
#1308 [15:59] <clarjon1> Ram is a physical chip
#1309 [15:59] <GreyVulpine> Yes, with http://www.downloadmoreram.com/
#1310 [15:59] <clarjon1> if you want more of it for free, then you'd have to go dumpster diving
#1311 [15:59] <GreyVulpine> It's free and easy.
#1312 [15:59] <clarjon1> or ask someone for it as a gift
#1313 [16:00] <DJ> lol XD -_-
#1314 [16:01] <DJ> do any of u know vicosta11
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#1316 [16:01] <GreyVulpine> !seen vicosta11
#1317 [16:01] <GreyBot> I found no results for your !Seen query.
#1318 [16:01] <GreyVulpine> Nope, hasn't been in this channel at all
#1319 [16:01] <DJ> really grey
#1320 [16:02] <GreyVulpine> Really.
#1321 [16:02] <DJ> i need to find him
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#1323 [16:03] <m00s3man> I can't seem to get my minecraft t start up
#1324 [16:03] <m00s3man> to*
#1325 [16:04] <DJ> *sheds a tear....*
#1326 [16:04] <m00s3man> every time I go to run it it crashes
#1327 [16:04] <CrusAsleep> Oh. Note to self: Don't run both an SMP server, and an MCForge server at the same time. Your Premium client will attempt to join the MCForge server.
#1328 [16:04] <DJ> have u got a mod installed?
#1329 [16:05] <benhunter09> m00s3man: do you have a crash report?
#1330 [16:05] <m00s3man> Yeah i'm trying to run the new mindcrack modpack
#1331 [16:05] <m00s3man> yes i have a crash report
#1332 [16:05] <Grim_Reaper> ?? pastebin
#1333 [16:05] <VoxelHead> pastebin: Pastebin is a service run at http://www.pastebin.com/ which facilitates the sharing of information without flooding IRC channels. Paste your text there, click 'Submit', and give us the URL the site takes you to, and we can see what you have pasted.
#1334 [16:05] <m00s3man> should i post it?
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#1336 [16:05] <GreyVulpine> ??> m00s3man forceupdate
#1337 [16:05] <Grim_Reaper> Please pastebin your error
#1338 [16:05] <VoxelHead> m00s3man: (forceupdate) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#1339 [16:05] <VoxelHead> m00s3man: (forceupdate) To do so, start Minecraft, press 'Options' (above the 'Login' button), Press 'Force update!', then press 'Done', and login to Minecraft. See http://i.imgur.com/5b09B.png for visual instructions.
#1340 [16:05] <DJ> benhunter09 of minecraftgame.net???!!!
#1341 [16:05] <benhunter09> Try a force update ^
#1342 [16:05] <benhunter09> DJ: don't advertise
#1343 [16:06] <DJ> oh soz
#1344 [16:06] <toxic> wow ben must be realy popular there
#1345 [16:06] * DJ is now known as DJSMASHERXIIX
#1346 [16:07] <DJSMASHERXIIX> ben r u of there then
#1347 [16:07] <m00s3man> here's the report
#1348 [16:07] <m00s3man> http://pastebin.com/EBqZSSK3
#1349 [16:07] <Guest61224> Hello?
#1350 [16:07] <m00s3man> i'll try a force update
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#1354 [16:07] <tyteen4a03> m00s3man, yes, you need one
#1355 [16:07] <DJSMASHERXIIX> toxic WTF
#1356 [16:07] <benhunter09> ??> Guest61224 ask
#1357 [16:07] <VoxelHead> Guest61224: (ask) Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help with, and be as specific as possible.
#1358 [16:07] <VoxelHead> Guest61224: (ask) If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#1359 [16:08] <pyromaniac3814> so how do i tell if a computer has a intergrated card ?
#1360 [16:08] <GreyVulpine> Look at the specs
#1361 [16:08] <tyteen4a03> pyromaniac3814, anything from Intel is an integrated one
#1362 [16:08] <pyromaniac3814> i am its a amd
#1363 [16:08] <DJSMASHERXIIX> why is the **************.net people on here?
#1364 [16:08] <Guest61224> Well. For the past week or so I am having trouble connecting to my brothers world.
#1365 [16:08] <tyteen4a03> pyromaniac3814, AMDs are harder to tell but it should tell you it's integrated right away
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#1367 [16:09] <GreyVulpine> If it has a dedicated card, it'll typically announce an nvidia or an AMD card. If it doesn't, it'll be an integrated one.
#1368 [16:09] <tyteen4a03> Guest61224, Open to LAN, as I asked before, right?
#1369 [16:09] <tyteen4a03> so benhunter09, you run a server?
#1370 [16:09] <pyromaniac3814> idk just says Graphics Coprocessor ATI radeon HD 4250
#1371 [16:09] <pyromaniac3814> Chipset Brand AMD
#1372 [16:09] <tyteen4a03> pyromaniac3814, Radeon HD series is discrete
#1373 [16:10] <DJSMASHERXIIX> benhunter09 toxictoaster Wtf
#1374 [16:10] <pyromaniac3814> that means ?
#1375 [16:10] <benhunter09> tyteen4a03: I don't no, I was talking about this channel in a server I play on
#1376 [16:10] <Guest61224> Yeah, but he opened the world to LAN and I clicked on his game and clicked join server but when I do it says the server has timed out.
#1377 [16:10] <tyteen4a03> benhunter09, oh I see
#1378 [16:10] <tyteen4a03> Guest61224, turn off any antiviruses or firewalls on both computers
#1379 [16:10] <DJSMASHERXIIX> ben do u know ickyacky
#1380 [16:10] <tyteen4a03> actually, it's an "and"
#1381 [16:10] <tyteen4a03> DJSMASHERXIIX, please keep off-topic chat out of this channel
#1382 [16:11] <Guest61224> Will removing antivirus and firewall harm my computer?
#1383 [16:11] <DJSMASHERXIIX> ok but id like an awnser plZ
#1384 [16:12] <pyromaniac3814> is discrete bad or good ?
#1385 [16:12] <pyromaniac3814> sounds bad
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#1387 [16:12] <GreyVulpine> discrete is good
#1388 [16:12] <GreyVulpine> integrated is bad
#1389 [16:13] <tyteen4a03> Guest61224, no
#1390 [16:13] <pyromaniac3814> so not intergrated = discrete ?
#1391 [16:13] <tyteen4a03> Guest61224, if you are careful on the internet, you don't even need them
#1392 [16:13] <tyteen4a03> pyromaniac3814, integrated is not discrete
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#1394 [16:14] <pyromaniac3814> yea but not intergrated it
#1395 [16:14] <pyromaniac3814> is*
#1396 [16:14] <tyteen4a03> pyromaniac3814, you probably will want to say discrete instead of "not integrated"
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#1398 [16:14] <tyteen4a03> it can confuse people
#1399 [16:14] <Guest61224> How do I remove firewall and antivirus?
#1400 [16:15] <pyromaniac3814> ok well i didnt know the word intill now so i will use it from this point forward
#1401 [16:15] <mattym> tyteen4a03: Radeon HD arent always discrete these days
#1402 [16:15] <tyteen4a03> Guest61224, depends on what you have
#1403 [16:15] <tyteen4a03> Guest61224, do you know what antiviruses and firewalls you have?
#1404 [16:15] <Guest61224> No.
#1405 [16:15] <pyromaniac3814> also how is this computer for gaming ?
#1406 [16:15] <pyromaniac3814> http://www.amazon.com/Acer-AM3450-UR30P-Desktop-Black/dp/B005J28KGA/ref=sr_1_13?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1361306213&sr=1-13&keywords=quad+core+pc
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#1408 [16:16] <tyteen4a03> Guest61224, do you know how to use TeamViewer?
#1409 [16:16] <Guest61224> No,
#1410 [16:17] <tyteen4a03> ??> Guest61224 teamviewer
#1411 [16:17] <VoxelHead> Guest61224: (teamviewer) Teamviewer is remote access software, which enables other people to, with your permission, access your computer remotely and attempt to perform troubleshooting and diagnostics.
#1412 [16:17] <VoxelHead> Guest61224: (teamviewer) Teamviewer's website is here: http://www.teamviewer.com/en/index.aspx
#1413 [16:17] <GreyVulpine> pyromaniac3814 - Will play some games, but you'll be lacking proper directx 11 support
#1414 [16:17] <pyromaniac3814> can that be fixed ?
#1415 [16:17] <mattym> yeah pyromaniac3814 as with the others its, ok but wont last long
#1416 [16:17] <GreyVulpine> By purchasing a newer card, sure.
#1417 [16:17] <tyteen4a03> ??~ teamviewer|Teamviewer is a remote access software, which enables other people to, with your permission, access your computer remotely and attempt to perform troubleshooting and diagnostics.
#1418 [16:17] <tyteen4a03> ;;Teamviewer's website is here: http://www.teamviewer.com/en/index.aspx
#1419 [16:17] <tyteen4a03> fff
#1420 [16:17] <GreyVulpine> Games like WoW and Half life 2 (games that are over 10 years old), will play at around 30-40 FPS, which is nothing to be proud of.
#1421 [16:18] <mouldy-ipad> Wait
#1422 [16:18] <mouldy-ipad> Half Life 2 is 10 years old?
#1423 [16:18] <pyromaniac3814> how about Starcraft and minecraft ?
#1424 [16:18] <pyromaniac3814> starcraft 2 *
#1425 [16:18] <tyteen4a03> mouldy-ipad, time passes very quickly
#1426 [16:18] <GreyVulpine> Half life 2 was released in 2004, so almost 10 years
#1427 [16:19] <tyteen4a03> Guest61224, please download Teamviwer and run it (no need to install)
#1428 [16:19] <tyteen4a03> Guest61224, then, pass the teamviewer ID and password to me via /query tyteen4a03 stuff goes here
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#1430 [16:19] * tyteen4a03 shrugs
#1430 [16:19] <GreyVulpine> Heh
#1431 [16:19] <tyteen4a03> now I wonder about GreyVulpine's gaming history
#1432 [16:19] <GreyVulpine> >.>
#1433 [16:19] <pyromaniac3814> whats minecraft requirements ?
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#1435 [16:20] <pyromaniac3814> to get good speed and fps ?
#1436 [16:20] <mattym> pyromaniac3814: That system will run minecraft jsut fine, but stuff that comes out in the next year or two horribly
#1437 [16:20] <GreyVulpine> That card will meet minecraft's minimum requirements. It will likely play minecraft okay. It will most likely not play it smoothly on far render
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#1439 [16:21] <mouldy-ipad> Hello AM2
#1440 [16:21] <pyromaniac3814> yea happens with most computers lol
#1441 [16:21] <tyteen4a03> AM2, do you still want voice?
#1442 [16:21] <GreyVulpine> I'm seeing that card's benchmarks at 31 FPS for WoW, on low detail, which isn't saying much.
#1443 [16:21] <mouldy-ipad> I do :D
#1444 [16:21] <tyteen4a03> mouldy-ipad, AM2 is a former helper
#1445 [16:21] <mouldy-ipad> Oh.
#1446 [16:21] <pyromaniac3814> what do i need to play it smoothly ?
#1447 [16:22] <mouldy-ipad> Hi then :)
#1448 [16:22] <GreyVulpine> Starcraft 2 at a laughable 9 FPS on medium detail
#1449 [16:22] <mattym> GreyVulpine: as it should be, the ATI/AMD HD 4000 series is quite old now
#1450 [16:22] <mouldy-ipad> Bye
#1451 [16:22] <pyromaniac3814> dang
#1452 [16:23] <mattym> pyromaniac3814: You want something with a discrete AMD Radeon HD 6000 or beter, or Nvidia Geforece GTX 400 or better
#1453 [16:23] <GreyVulpine> That will likely be a computer that is not 400 bucks
#1454 [16:23] <mattym> exactly
#1455 [16:23] <pyromaniac3814> and not intel
#1456 [16:23] <mattym> which is why we said, $550 wont buy a good gaming pc
#1457 [16:24] <pyromaniac3814> yea im seeing that now
#1458 [16:24] <mattym> even if you found a decent one in that price range, it would be a waste of money cause it will only be good for about a year
#1459 [16:25] <AM2> tyteen4a03; Um, I'm just lurking for now, lying in bed.
#1460 [16:25] <tyteen4a03> AM2, are you going to return for the long term?
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#1462 [16:26] <AM2> tyteen4a03; Probably not, maybe just for a week.
#1463 [16:26] <tyteen4a03> AM2, what are you up to these days? haven't seen you in a while
#1464 [16:27] <Jimmyboy1998> I have a question for xbox minecraft
#1465 [16:27] <AM2> tyteen4a03; sorting paperwork
#1466 [16:27] <tyteen4a03> AM2, for?
#1467 [16:28] <Lutzee> Jimmyboy1998: ask away
#1468 [16:28] <tyteen4a03> Jimmyboy1998, we have limited support for Minecraft XBox version, but do ask
#1469 [16:28] <AM2> tyteen4a03; tax returns, stocks and shares
#1470 [16:28] <tyteen4a03> AM2, if my memory serves me right, you're in your late 20s?
#1471 [16:28] <Jimmyboy1998> My inventory menu wont let me use me joystick i have to u the d pad to control it
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#1473 [16:29] <Danefishy> mattym
#1474 [16:29] <mattym> Jimmyboy1998: I think Xbox lets you swap between control profiles, but that will likely remap a lot of other keys
#1475 [16:30] <AM2> tyteen4a03; I wish, older!
#1476 [16:30] <Danefishy> mattym
#1477 [16:30] <mattym> Danefishy: ?
#1478 [16:30] <tyteen4a03> AM2, 40s?
#1479 [16:30] <Danefishy> I found what was wrong
#1480 [16:30] <Danefishy> my connection randomly drops
#1481 [16:30] <Danefishy> but i dont know why
#1482 [16:30] <mattym> ok what was it?
#1483 [16:30] <AM2> tyteen4a03; close
#1484 [16:30] <Danefishy> when i click multiplayer
#1485 [16:30] <Danefishy> the server has liek 1200 "ms"
#1486 [16:30] <Danefishy> like*
#1487 [16:31] <Danefishy> whats "ms"
#1488 [16:31] <mattym> milliseconds
#1489 [16:31] <Danefishy> what does 1200 milliseconds mean
#1490 [16:31] <mattym> its the time it takes to send and recieve info
#1491 [16:31] <Danefishy> hm
#1492 [16:31] <mattym> it shouldnt be that high
#1493 [16:31] <Danefishy> i know
#1494 [16:31] <Danefishy> thats the problem
#1495 [16:31] <mattym> that means your internet probably cant hande running a server
#1496 [16:31] <Danefishy> I dont know why
#1497 [16:31] <Danefishy> I was fine liek 3 days ago
#1498 [16:31] <Danefishy> like
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#1500 [16:32] <Danefishy> it ran servers for 6 months already...
#1501 [16:32] <mattym> Danefishy: does your ISP allow the running of servers?
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#1503 [16:32] <Danefishy> what does isp mean
#1504 [16:32] <Demolishedd> Hey can someone help me? I created a server, and when I make changes to the Server.Properties it doesn't affect the server when I log in
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#1506 [16:33] <Demolishedd> ISP = Internet Service Provider
#1507 [16:33] <Selbram> did you restart the server
#1508 [16:33] <Danefishy> hm
#1509 [16:33] <Demolishedd> Yeah I restarted the server
#1510 [16:33] <Selbram> it only takes changes on restart
#1511 [16:33] <Demolishedd> multiple times
#1512 [16:33] <benhunter09> Demolishedd: was the file saved
#1513 [16:33] <Danefishy> where do i find my isp
#1514 [16:33] <Demolishedd> Yes it was saved
#1515 [16:34] <Demolishedd> I save it ever time I make a change
#1516 [16:34] <tyteen4a03> Danefishy, your ISP is RoadRunner
#1517 [16:34] <Danefishy> oh
#1518 [16:34] <Demolishedd> like for instance i change allow flight=True
#1519 [16:34] <mattym> Demolishedd: you werent running the server while you edited it were you?
#1520 [16:34] <Danefishy> i have full bars for internet...
#1521 [16:34] <Demolishedd> Maybe I was
#1522 [16:34] <tyteen4a03> Danefishy, Wireless will have worse results than a wired one
#1523 [16:34] <Selbram> Demolishedd, and what did you expect to happen?
#1524 [16:34] <tyteen4a03> Danefishy, what is your question?
#1525 [16:34] <mattym> allow flight is not readily testable
#1526 [16:35] <Danefishy> My ms for every server is 1k+
#1527 [16:35] <mattym> Demolishedd: Changing allow flight, only effects you if you have mods that use that
#1528 [16:35] <Selbram> otherwise nothing happens
#1529 [16:35] <Demolishedd> oh
#1530 [16:35] <tyteen4a03> Danefishy, firstly - wire your computer, stop using wireless
#1531 [16:35] <Demolishedd> so I can't just double space bar?
#1532 [16:36] <Selbram> Demolishedd, if you are in creative mode you can
#1533 [16:36] <Selbram> otherwise you need a modded client
#1534 [16:36] <Demolishedd> That too I have it set to creative mode, but when i log into the server it's on survival
#1535 [16:36] <mattym> if you started a world on survival, its easier to just put a player in creative when its needed
#1536 [16:37] <Demolishedd> Is there a way that I can just like reset the world?
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#1539 [16:38] <Danefishy> matty
#1540 [16:38] <mattym> Demolishedd: delete the world, or in server.properties change the world name and it iwll make a new one
#1541 [16:38] <joey__> i cant log in i payd 2 time and it says im not priminuim
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#1543 [16:38] <tyteen4a03> joey__, were you charged?
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#1549 [16:39] <Danefishy> How do i lower the milliseconds on a server
#1550 [16:39] <Demolishedd> Wooooot
#1551 [16:39] <mattym> you cant
#1552 [16:39] <Guest30854> can someone please help me. Both my sons have a laptop and have minecraft, but they cannot play with each other
#1553 [16:39] <tyteen4a03> Danefishy, as I told you: Wire your internet
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#1555 [16:39] <tyteen4a03> Guest30854, are they using two accounts?
#1556 [16:40] <Demolishedd> It worked all I had to do was change the world name :D
#1557 [16:40] <Danefishy> I cant "wire" my internet tyteen
#1558 [16:40] <Guest30854> yes. 2 acounts
#1559 [16:40] <Demolishedd> Thanks fellas!! :)
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#1561 [16:40] <Grash> Hello
#1562 [16:40] <Danefishy> my milliseconds was fine 2 hours ago
#1563 [16:40] <Danefishy> and boom, randomly spikes to 100+
#1564 [16:40] <joey__> what the hell i paid and i cant log in it says im not premium
#1565 [16:40] <Danefishy> 1000+*
#1566 [16:41] <benhunter09> joey__: can you login at mojang.com
#1567 [16:41] <Grash> Can someone help me here?:P
#1568 [16:41] <Guest30854> when they see their cousin, they can both join her game
#1569 [16:41] <joey__> i will try
#1570 [16:41] <Danefishy> ugh let me try again
#1571 [16:41] <benhunter09> ??> Grash ask
#1572 [16:41] <VoxelHead> Grash: (ask) Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help with, and be as specific as possible.
#1573 [16:41] <VoxelHead> Grash: (ask) If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#1574 [16:41] <Danefishy> guys, what affects my "Milliseconds"
#1575 [16:41] * Disori|off is now known as Disori
#1576 [16:42] <tyteen4a03> Danefishy, your router's workload, your computer's workload, your internet's workload, your server's workload
#1577 [16:42] <Danefishy> what does that mean then
#1578 [16:42] <Grash> Umm im tryin to log into MC and it doesnt let me log with my nick, but with my e-mail, and then when i try to connect into a server my friend owns it says im not white-listed even after he did white-list me
#1579 [16:43] <tyteen4a03> Grash, he needs to whitelist your username, not your email
#1580 [16:43] <Grash> He did
#1581 [16:43] <Danefishy> brb
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#1583 [16:43] <tyteen4a03> Danefishy, basically these: Make sure nobody else is downloading a lot of stuff, make sure your computer is not overloaded, and make sure the server isn't almost full
#1584 [16:43] <Grash> But i can only log on with my email, and my other friends log on with their nick
#1585 [16:43] <Guest30854> 2 ACCOUNTS, THEY ARE IN THE SAME HOUSE...USING SAME ROUTER
#1586 [16:43] <Danefishy> ok ty tyteen
#1587 [16:43] <tyteen4a03> Guest30854, please don't shout
#1588 [16:43] <Guest30854> I wasnt.....
#1589 [16:44] <tyteen4a03> Guest30854, now, what happens when one of them uses the Open to LAN feature?
#1590 [16:44] <tyteen4a03> Guest30854, you were typing in all caps
#1591 [16:44] <joey__> yes it work on mojang
#1592 [16:44] <tyteen4a03> joey__, if the server is bukkit, there may be other places to look
#1593 [16:45] <Guest30854> they open the lan feature and begin their game. then when my other son tries to join, it says the server has timed out. faies
#1594 [16:45] <Guest30854> failed
#1595 [16:45] <joey__> thay say Did you know that if you've already bought Minecraft you can import your existing profile into this account?
#1596 [16:45] <joey__> what do i do
#1597 [16:45] <Guest30854> they were playing a few weeks ago together.
#1598 [16:46] <tyteen4a03> Guest30854, turn off all antiviruses or firewalls on both computers
#1599 [16:46] <joey__> Did you know that if you've already bought Minecraft you can import your existing profile into this account? what do i do to play
#1600 [16:46] <Guest30854> i dont want to turn off hem
#1601 [16:46] <tyteen4a03> joey__, do you have a Minecraft.net account before?
#1602 [16:46] <tyteen4a03> Guest30854, unfortunately they are blocking your Minecraft
#1603 [16:46] <joey__> no
#1604 [16:46] <Grash> anyone? :/
#1605 [16:46] <tyteen4a03> joey__, then ignore those
#1606 [16:46] <Guest30854> we have played with it on before
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#1608 [16:46] <tyteen4a03> Grash, you are supposed to log into Minecraft with your Mojang account email
#1609 [16:47] <joey__> when i go to play it says you are not premium
#1610 [16:47] <tyteen4a03> Guest30854, there may be changes within the antivirus software or firewalls that now blocks Minecraft, especially AVG, Norton and ZoneAlarm
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#1612 [16:47] <tyteen4a03> joey__, username please?
#1613 [16:47] <Guest30854> we have mcafee
#1614 [16:47] <Grash> yeah and i did, but why do my friend log on with their nick? and they have no problems to get into server
#1615 [16:47] <joey__> joey2001popowowo
#1616 [16:47] <tyteen4a03> Guest30854, McAfee can be problematic too
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#1618 [16:47] <tyteen4a03> !paid joey2001popowowo
#1619 [16:47] <Guest30854> i guess they will tryi
#1620 [16:47] <Danefishy> tyteen
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#1622 [16:47] <tyteen4a03> Grash, if they have not migrated to Mojang accounts yet, they will log in with their nick
#1623 [16:48] <tyteen4a03> Danefishy, yes?
#1624 [16:48] <Danefishy> I have 996 free gigabytes of storage left\
#1625 [16:48] <tyteen4a03> joey__, you have not paid for Minecraft yet, are you sure you are charged?
#1626 [16:48] <tyteen4a03> Danefishy, this is not a matter of storage space
#1627 [16:48] <Danefishy> then what is
#1628 [16:48] <joey__> wtf i payd i even have the code to conferm
#1629 [16:48] <tyteen4a03> Danefishy, this is a matter of what your computer is running, whether the router or the destination server is overloaded, and whether your internet is being slow
#1630 [16:48] <Grash> So can it be that cos im in mojang i cant connect to them cos they are not?
#1631 [16:48] <tyteen4a03> joey__, were you charged?
#1632 [16:49] <Danefishy> hm
#1633 [16:49] <tyteen4a03> Grash, no
#1634 [16:49] <Danefishy> my internet is at full bars...
#1635 [16:49] <tyteen4a03> Grash, do you know if they are running Bukkit?
#1636 [16:49] <tyteen4a03> Danefishy, wireless conditions change all the time - try wiring your computer to the router instead
#1637 [16:49] <Danefishy> not running anything...
#1638 [16:49] <Danefishy> hm
#1639 [16:49] <Danefishy> brb
#1640 [16:49] <tyteen4a03> Danefishy, also, viruses and malware can be eating processing power
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#1642 [16:49] <Grash> no clue
#1643 [16:50] <Grash> whats that?
#1644 [16:50] <tyteen4a03> Grash, might want to ask them - if they are, there may be other places to look
#1645 [16:50] <tyteen4a03> Grash, it's a custom server wrapper with plugin support
#1646 [16:50] <Grash> yeah im in skype with the owner
#1647 [16:50] <joey__> yes 26.95
#1648 [16:50] <joey__> yes 26.95
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#1650 [16:50] <Grash> but he doesnt know
#1651 [16:50] <tyteen4a03> joey__, hang on
#1652 [16:50] <joey__> kk thanks
#1653 [16:50] <tyteen4a03> Grash, well if only downloads his server from minecraft.net/download, it should not be bukkit
#1654 [16:50] <tyteen4a03> joey__, you'll need to email Mojang with your Minecraft username and your transaction ID
#1655 [16:51] <tyteen4a03> ??> joey__ mojang/email
#1656 [16:51] <VoxelHead> joey__: (mojang/email) You can email Mojang by going here: http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/emails/new
#1657 [16:51] <joey__> kk
#1658 [16:51] <tyteen4a03> joey__, also your Mojang account email
#1659 [16:51] <joey__> jo.2001@live.ca
#1660 [16:52] <tyteen4a03> joey__, no
#1661 [16:52] <tyteen4a03> joey__, I mean that you should include this in your email
#1662 [16:52] <joey__> kk
#1663 [16:53] <Grash> Nobody knows what that is..
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#1665 [16:53] <Grash> and whats the difference if it is or isnt? and what can i do to try get it to work
#1666 [16:53] <tyteen4a03> Grash, can you bring the server owner here?
#1667 [16:53] <joey__> what is the email of mojang
#1668 [16:53] <tyteen4a03> ??> joey__ mojang/email
#1669 [16:54] <Grash> hes kinda busy
#1670 [16:54] <VoxelHead> joey__: (mojang/email) You can email Mojang by going here: http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/emails/new
#1671 [16:54] <tyteen4a03> Grash, I'll need more information from him to determine what server software is he running
#1672 [16:55] <Grash> Turns out hes friend knows that stuff.. lol
#1673 [16:55] <Grash> Turns out hes friend knows that stuff.. lol
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#1678 [16:56] <Grash> is there anything else ican try?
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#1680 [16:57] <Danefishy> tyteen
#1681 [16:57] <Grash> i cant get more info of the server
#1682 [16:57] <Danefishy> I fixed it on my own but heres the solution
#1683 [16:57] <Danefishy> restart your internet and motem
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#1685 [16:57] <Danefishy> and milliseconds goes to normal
#1686 [16:57] <Danefishy> bye
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#1691 [16:58] <Grash> tyteen?
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#1693 [17:01] <blaze_> i have i windows 8 laptop and i cant get it to work application error (class not found excption(net.minecraft.launcher
#1694 [17:02] <joey__> thnks
#1695 [17:03] <tyteen4a03> Grash, unfortunately you'll have to get him here
#1696 [17:03] <tyteen4a03> blaze_, that is a strange error...
#1697 [17:03] <tyteen4a03> blaze_, can you redownload Minecraft.exe?
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#1705 [17:07] <jrejr97> My minecraft is saying that It is not downloaded, but i have downloaded it numerous times, and my account isn't working on the website. what do i do?
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#1707 [17:08] <mattym> did you purchase it recently?
#1708 [17:09] <jrejr97> december
#1709 [17:09] <mattym> was it working before?
#1710 [17:09] <jrejr97> Yeah it was working fine til about 15 minutes ago
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#1712 [17:10] <mattym> sounds like the local files got messed up, and you said you cant login on http://minecraft.net
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#1714 [17:11] <jrejr97> yeah it says the login is incorrect
#1715 [17:11] <lotsofgrief> can anyone help me please, my son seems to have had his mineceaft account hacked, he has tried to reset the password but nothing is coming through on his email
#1716 [17:11] <mattym> jrejr97 waht about if you log in at http://account.mojang.com
#1717 [17:12] <jrejr97> Let me try.
#1718 [17:12] <mattym> lotsofgrief are you still able to log in at http://account.mojang.com
#1719 [17:13] <jrejr97> it doesnt work
#1720 [17:13] <lotsofgrief> no, he cant log in at all, it was fine this morning, then tonight it wont accept his password, he tried to reset it, but nothing comes through on the email, so looks like the hacker has changed his email on his account too, really annoyed as this happened once before and now this is his second account and its happened again
#1721 [17:13] <tyteen4a03> jrejr97, make sure you're logging in using your Mojang account email
#1722 [17:13] <jrejr97> I am
#1723 [17:14] <tyteen4a03> jrejr97, can you try resetting your password?
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#1725 [17:14] <mattym> lotsofgrief if you cant get into http://account.mojang.com then how did he reset his password?
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#1728 [17:14] <lotsofgrief> he hasnt, he clicked the link to reset the password on the login screen, but nothing comes through on his email to reset it
#1729 [17:15] <jrejr97> I just changed it, im seeing if it works
#1730 [17:15] <lotsofgrief> its like banging your head off a brick wall
#1731 [17:15] <jrejr97> Yea it still won't work
#1732 [17:15] * Contex|Away is now known as Contex
#1733 [17:15] <mattym> lotsofgrief if the someone did in fact hack it, then using that feature wont send the email to him, it will send to whatever someone changed it too
#1734 [17:16] <mattym> All you can do is try what this page says http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/361483-my-account-was-hacked
#1735 [17:16] <lotsofgrief> yes i know, so what can be done, anything?
#1736 [17:16] <tyteen4a03> lotsofgrief, you really need to give your son a secure password and don't let him share it with other people
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#1738 [17:16] <tyteen4a03> lotsofgrief, you need to send an email to Mojang, with your account email and your transaction ID
#1739 [17:16] <tyteen4a03> ??> lotsofgrief mojang/email
#1740 [17:16] <VoxelHead> lotsofgrief: (mojang/email) You can email Mojang by going here: http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/emails/new
#1741 [17:16] <lotsofgrief> yes, already done that, but i hear it takes them forever to get back to you, there really should be a phone number you can ring for help
#1742 [17:17] <mattym> if they had a phone number, the wait would be just as long, and an international call
#1743 [17:17] <lotsofgrief> what is the transaction ID, where will I find that
#1744 [17:17] <mattym> the origional email you got with the reciept of purchase
#1745 [17:18] <lotsofgrief> oh that was ages ago, doubt we will still have that, we got no chance then
#1746 [17:19] <tyteen4a03> lotsofgrief, you can also look in your PayPal history
#1747 [17:19] <lotsofgrief> he was at his grans when he first signed up for this account, so I didnt pay through paypal, they paid for it
#1748 [17:20] <mattym> then they may have the info you need
#1749 [17:20] <jrejr97> Its now letting us sign in online but is continueing to say that minecraft isn't downloaded
#1750 [17:21] <mattym> jrejr97 http://minecraft.net/play sign in then play in the browers
#1751 [17:21] <mattym> then see if the client works again
#1752 [17:21] <lotsofgrief> thanks for your help, night
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#1754 [17:22] <jrejr97> Why can i only play in browser?
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#1756 [17:22] <mattym> jrejr97 play in the browser to see if it works
#1757 [17:22] <jrejr97> it does.
#1758 [17:23] <mattym> ok
#1759 [17:23] <mattym> Now try the launcher
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#1761 [17:23] <tyteen4a03> mattym, what happens to his launcher?
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#1763 [17:23] <jrejr97> i did, it doesn't say it isn't downloaded but still says can't login
#1764 [17:24] <mattym> tyteen4a03 first his account wouldnt log in, now his launcher says "MC not downloaded" even after it lets him log in
#1765 [17:24] <jrejr97> should i exit the broswer version and try?
#1766 [17:24] <mattym> yeah
#1767 [17:24] <Inuyasha007911> Hey my Minecraft skin isn't loading at all
#1768 [17:24] <tyteen4a03> mattym, you should try solving his login issues
#1769 [17:24] <tyteen4a03> I have to go
#1770 [17:24] <mattym> tyteen4a03 you solved that issue already
#1771 [17:25] <tyteen4a03> mattym, oh I did?
#1772 [17:25] <jrejr97> still says can't login in, but i can still play offline. just not online?
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#1774 [17:25] <tyteen4a03> jrejr97, what happens when you visit login.minecraft.net on your browser?
#1775 [17:25] <mattym> tyteen4a03 the way the chat progress it had seemed so
#1776 [17:25] <tyteen4a03> mattym, actually, probably not
#1777 [17:26] <jrejr97> i can play on browser, and offline on the downloaded one. but i can't sign in.
#1778 [17:26] <tyteen4a03> jrejr97, what happens when you visit login.minecraft.net on your browser?
#1779 [17:26] * Me4502 is now known as Me4502|Away
#1780 [17:27] <Buildershrub1> please HELP b4 a computer dies!! "To open “Minecraft,” you need to install a Java SE 6 runtime, but you are not connected to the Internet." how do i fix it?!?!
#1781 [17:27] <jrejr97> it says bad request
#1782 [17:27] <mattym> Inuyasha007911 did you submit it on your profile page at minecraft.net
#1783 [17:27] <tyteen4a03> jrejr97, so you're not blocked after all...
#1784 [17:27] <Inuyasha007911> I'll wait until some can help me.
#1785 [17:27] <tyteen4a03> jrejr97, strange
#1786 [17:27] <Inuyasha007911> mattym yeah
#1787 [17:27] <jrejr97> so what is it.
#1788 [17:27] <mattym> Inuyasha007911 did it meet the requirements?
#1789 [17:28] <tyteen4a03> jrejr97, unfortunately I can't solve your issue now because I have to go, but there is something wrong with your computer
#1790 [17:28] <Inuyasha007911> mattym yes
#1791 [17:28] <tyteen4a03> jrejr97, what antivirus do you have?
#1792 [17:28] <mattym> Inuyasha007911 have you restarted your minecraft
#1793 [17:28] <jrejr97> windows defender
#1794 [17:28] <Inuyasha007911> mattym 5 times in 20 mins
#1795 [17:29] <mattym> Inuyasha007911 Ok then you may just have to wait for their servers to update
#1796 [17:29] <Buildershrub1> "To open “Minecraft,” you need to install a Java SE 6 runtime, but you are not connected to the Internet." im on a mac. i've deinstalled, reinstalled Java a TRILLION times
#1797 [17:29] <mattym> Inuyasha007911 if it still isnt working by tonight, come back and ask again
#1798 [17:29] <Inuyasha007911> mattym But it is my skin that I first loaded 4 months ago
#1799 [17:29] <tyteen4a03> jrejr97, shouldn't block Minecraft but can you disable it and try again?
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#1801 [17:30] <mattym> Inuyasha007911 oh, are you on a server and its not showing?
#1802 [17:30] <jrejr97> i can try
#1803 [17:30] <Inuyasha007911> yes
#1804 [17:30] <mattym> Inuyasha007911 can you check if its working in single player
#1805 [17:30] <Inuyasha007911> mattym I get stave or w/e his name is.
#1806 [17:30] <mattym> Inuyasha007911 check in single player real quick
#1807 [17:31] <jrejr97> There is no option
#1808 [17:31] <Inuyasha007911> mattym still have him
#1809 [17:31] <tyteen4a03> jrejr97, might as well switch to Avast, Windows defender sucks
#1810 [17:32] <mattym> Inuyasha007911 have you tried reuploading the skin?
#1811 [17:32] <jrejr97> Apparently. So i guess i can only play offline and browser?
#1812 [17:32] <tyteen4a03> jrejr97, for now, yes
#1813 [17:32] <Inuyasha007911> mattym yes and nothing
#1814 [17:32] <tyteen4a03> jrejr97, if you come back tomorrow other helpers may be able to help you solve this issue
#1815 [17:32] * tyteen4a03 pops off
#1815 [17:33] <mattym> Inuyasha007911 Ive had my game stop displaying my skin before, but it eventually came back
#1816 [17:33] <Inuyasha007911> mattym how long?
#1817 [17:33] <mattym> i think its just an error somewhere, nothing you can do about it really
#1818 [17:33] <jrejr97> okay. I'm going to try to force update since it says it is downloaded
#1819 [17:33] <mattym> i dont remember
#1820 [17:33] <mattym> its a skin, its not stopping you from being able to play, its the kinda thing youl just have to deal with
#1821 [17:34] <Inuyasha007911> mattym lol... oh fun... it's a mod skin that works in normal and MineLittlePony mod. but it never was an issue befor
#1822 [17:34] <mattym> jrejr97 have you also tried turning off your firewall, sometimes they block the launcher from communicating with the login server
#1823 [17:35] <mattym> Inuyasha007911 if you have mods installed, chances are they are whats causing it
#1824 [17:35] <jrejr97> Idk how to turn the fireall off
#1825 [17:35] <mattym> jrejr97 Windows 7?
#1826 [17:35] <Inuyasha007911> no it can't be cuz befor the mods were loaded it was still happening (yesterday and today)
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#1828 [17:36] <Inuyasha007911> I just loaded the mods today
#1829 [17:36] <mattym> Inuyasha007911 are you using a texture pack that changes the default skin?
#1830 [17:36] <Inuyasha007911> yes
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#1832 [17:37] <mattym> that could be the issue
#1833 [17:37] <Buildershrub1> To open “Minecraft,” you need to install a Java SE 6 runtime, but you are not connected to the Internet.
#1834 [17:37] <Katy> When is an update coming for the iOS users where it has wheat and wolves and breeding and all of that good stuff
#1835 [17:37] <mattym> Katy No clue
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#1837 [17:37] <Buildershrub1> it pops up EVERY time i launch MC
#1838 [17:37] <tyteen4a03> ??> Buildershrub1 java/1.6
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#1840 [17:37] <VoxelHead> Buildershrub1: (java/1.6) To get the current version of Java 1.6 for nearly any platform, go here: http://java.com/en/download/manual_v6.jsp
#1841 [17:37] <tyteen4a03> Buildershrub1, install Java here
#1842 [17:38] <Buildershrub1> I have the current version. it's been deinstalled, reinstalled in every possible way A MILLION times!!
#1843 [17:39] <Buildershrub1> I have the latest JAVA and i have access to the web - clearly!!
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#1845 [17:39] <Buildershrub1> this is DRIVING me insane!! this is day 3 of trying to sort it out!
#1846 [17:40] <Buildershrub1> it has never worked since paying
#1847 [17:40] <tyteen4a03> Buildershrub1, what kind of antivirus/firewall do you have?
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#1849 [17:40] <Inuyasha007911> mattym the Default skin pack was modded with the mods loaded.
#1850 [17:41] <Buildershrub1> im on a mac 10.7.5 there was norton - removed
#1851 [17:41] <mattym> Inuyasha007911 if the skin is really that important
#1852 [17:41] <mattym> ??> Inuyasha007911 mojang/email
#1853 [17:41] <VoxelHead> Inuyasha007911: (mojang/email) You can email Mojang by going here: http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/emails/new
#1854 [17:41] <Buildershrub1> netbarrier - REMOVED
#1855 [17:42] <tyteen4a03> Buildershrub1, were you infected by a virus?
#1856 [17:45] <tyteen4a03> test
#1857 [17:45] <tyteen4a03> good, my internet did not die
#1858 [17:46] <mattym> chirp
#1859 [17:46] <Inuyasha007911> ok, sent. Thanks you. now I'll wait to see what they say.
#1860 [17:47] <mattym> yeah just keep in mind that its a long wait
#1861 [17:47] <Inuyasha007911> yeah... I hope it isn't bad like EAs support...
#1862 [17:48] <Inuyasha007911> ok, have a Good (Morning/Evening/Night[or w/e time zone]) bye
#1863 [17:48] <Inuyasha007911> ok, have a Good (Morning/Evening/Night[or w/e time zone]) bye
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#1865 [17:49] <tyteen4a03> hmm, ghaps
#1866 [17:49] <Buildershrub1> sorry - no virus
#1867 [17:49] * Me4502|Away is now known as Me4502
#1868 [17:50] <Buildershrub1> nobody has seen this Java issue??? "To open “Minecraft,” you need to install a Java SE 6 runtime, but you are not connected to the Internet."
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#1870 [17:51] <tyteen4a03> Buildershrub1, hmm
#1871 [17:51] <tyteen4a03> Buildershrub1, since you're on 10.7, you might want to try Java 7 instead
#1872 [17:51] <mattym> Your the only one ive seen so far that has it and hasnt been able to get it to work with a Java reinstall
#1873 [17:51] <tyteen4a03> ??> Buildershrub1 java/1.7
#1874 [17:51] <VoxelHead> Buildershrub1: (java/1.7) Please note that Java 7 is known to be imcompatible with Minecraft in many cases. Unless otherwise required by a helper, please use Java 6 instead. See ?? java/1.6
#1875 [17:51] <VoxelHead> Buildershrub1: (java/1.7) You can get Java 1.7 for almost any platform here: http://is.gd/mc_j7
#1876 [17:52] <tyteen4a03> Buildershrub1, Apple is strange about their Java policies
#1877 [17:52] <Buildershrub1> i have the absolute latest JAVA - just another update about 10 min ago!!
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#1879 [17:52] <tyteen4a03> ??> Buildershrub1 java/version
#1880 [17:52] <VoxelHead> Buildershrub1: (java/version) You can see which version of Java you have installed by going to the following page:
#1881 [17:52] <VoxelHead> Buildershrub1: (java/version) http://www.java.com/en/download/installed.jsp
#1882 [17:52] <tyteen4a03> Buildershrub1, please tell us what java version you have
#1883 [17:53] <mattym> has that site started working on Macs again?
#1884 [17:54] <tyteen4a03> mattym, on safari maybe not
#1885 [17:54] <tyteen4a03> mattym, Apple removed java on systems starting from 10.7, so safari doesn't come with java support by default
#1886 [17:54] <tyteen4a03> not sure what is happening now
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#1888 [17:55] <Wbayne> help me!
#1889 [17:55] <mattym> from what i was told, that site just tells them that Java is handled by Apple or whatever
#1890 [17:55] <tyteen4a03> ??> Wbayne ask
#1891 [17:55] <VoxelHead> Wbayne: (ask) Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help with, and be as specific as possible.
#1892 [17:55] <VoxelHead> Wbayne: (ask) If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#1893 [17:55] <tyteen4a03> mattym, if you're below 10.6, it should
#1894 [17:55] <Buildershrub1> pleas stand by
#1895 [17:55] <tyteen4a03> *7
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#1897 [17:56] <Wbayne> I bought minecraft on xbox 360 and i cant move the camera angle....
#1898 [17:56] <mattym> I dont think your meant to
#1899 [17:57] <Wbayne> wow, you say ask and i get no help?
#1900 [17:58] <mattym> I dont think your meant to be able to change the camera angle
#1901 [17:58] <tyteen4a03> Wbayne, we don't really support of Minecraft for Xbox here
#1902 [17:58] <mattym> Wbayne Here are the controls http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Xbox_360_Edition#Controls i dont see anything about changing the camera angle
#1903 [17:58] <Wbayne> omfg, i dont need the controls the control is not working
#1904 [17:59] <Wbayne> ok, if i cant change the camera angle then whats the point of the game, you cant do anything
#1905 [17:59] <Buildershrub1> 7 update 15
#1906 [17:59] <tyteen4a03> ??> Wbayne attitude
#1907 [17:59] <VoxelHead> Wbayne: (attitude) The people in #MineCraftHelp offering assistance have no affiliation with Mojang, and are volunteering their time. Please treat them, and #MineCraftHelp, with respect.
#1908 [17:59] <VoxelHead> Wbayne: (attitude) We understand that if you're here, you're probably upset because something isn't working properly. Try to remember that we are volunteering our time to try to assist people such as yourself.
#1909 [17:59] <mattym> Wbayne are you holding down the left stick, and then moving it
#1910 [17:59] <tyteen4a03> Buildershrub1, you're using the standalone launcher, correct?
#1911 [18:00] <Buildershrub1> build 1.7.0_15-bo3
#1912 [18:00] <tyteen4a03> Buildershrub1, you're using the standalone launcher, correct?
#1913 [18:00] <Buildershrub1> i launch it with the launcher i put in the app folder
#1914 [18:01] <Wbayne> ok screw this, this is no help
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#1917 [18:01] <Buildershrub1> the web gui does not work either
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#1919 [18:02] <tyteen4a03> ??> Buildershrub1 mac/profile
#1920 [18:02] <VoxelHead> Buildershrub1: (mac/profile) It may be helpful to isolate whether this is a problem with your user account, or with your system as a whole.
#1921 [18:02] <VoxelHead> Buildershrub1: (mac/profile) Please create a new system account (System Preferences => Accounts, log in as that user, and try Minecraft from there. If it works, there's something on your profile that's breaking Java or Minecraft. If not, there's something amiss with your system as a whole.
#1922 [18:02] <VoxelHead> Buildershrub1: (mac/profile) Please create a new system account (System Preferences => Accounts, log in as that user, and try Minecraft from there. If it works, there's something on your profile that's breaking Java or Minecraft. If not, there's something amiss with your system as a whole.
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#1925 [18:03] <Buildershrub1> ill try. stand by
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#1930 [18:17] <Buildershrub1> new account, same shit!
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#1935 [18:21] <berlywright> me and my freind are trying to play LAN but every time she logs in she gets a minecraft has crashed report
#1936 [18:22] <berlywright> can someone help me please :)
#1937 [18:23] <berlywright> hello
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#1939 [18:23] <sugoi> berlywright: hi
#1940 [18:23] <sugoi> "just ask"
#1941 [18:23] <berlywright> i did
#1942 [18:23] <sugoi> o :)
#1943 [18:23] <sugoi> sorry, i only read two lines :)
#1944 [18:23] <berlywright> kk
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#1946 [18:23] <sugoi> does she have the same versions of all mods and client?
#1947 [18:24] <berlywright> no
#1948 [18:24] * sugoi points to that
#1948 [18:24] <Ohelig> I am very confused. My server is online and everyone can connect, but the server never responds to Polling (the request for the server description and how many people are online - done at the multiplayer screen)
#1949 [18:24] <Ohelig> therefore, nobody sees it as online unless they try to connect anyways
#1950 [18:24] <tyteen4a03> Ohelig, polling uses UDP, make sure you forwaded both TCP and UDP ports
#1951 [18:24] <berlywright> thats why i was asking i did't think that was it
#1952 [18:25] <sugoi> versions really should all match if you expect things to work
#1953 [18:25] <berlywright> kk
#1954 [18:25] <berlywright> sorry
#1955 [18:25] <Ohelig> As far as I know, minecraft doesn't use UDP at all.
#1956 [18:25] <Ohelig> I'm running wireshark and do not see any UDP packets
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#1958 [18:25] <osuka_> I don't think Minecraft uses UDP.
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#1961 [18:26] <Ohelig> plus, it's a dedicated server not behind NAT, so there is no port forwarding.
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#1963 [18:26] <tyteen4a03> Ohelig, it does
#1964 [18:27] <tyteen4a03> osuka_, only for querying server info
#1965 [18:27] <tyteen4a03> Ohelig, make sure server firewall does not filter UDP packets
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#1967 [18:27] <germanheart32> i need help. a few days ago, i tried to log into minecraft. I was able to get into the main screen, but when I clicked on a world, after a few seconds of loading, it crashed. any ideas?
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#1970 [18:28] <Ohelig> http://i.imgur.com/RqKaw8X.png - This is a screenshot of wireshark while polling 2 servers. One of them responds with the server info, the other (mine), does not. There are no UDP packets.
#1971 [18:28] <tyteen4a03> germanheart32, does other worlds work?
#1972 [18:28] <germanheart32> nothing does. i tried multiplayer and single player.
#1973 [18:28] <jtbigdog> When I try to play in browser it say updating Minecraft and has been on that for 2 hours
#1974 [18:28] <tyteen4a03> Ohelig, as I said, Minecraft uses UDP packets for polling server information
#1975 [18:28] <tyteen4a03> ??> germanheart32 forceupdate
#1976 [18:28] <VoxelHead> germanheart32: (forceupdate) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#1977 [18:28] <VoxelHead> germanheart32: (forceupdate) To do so, start Minecraft, press 'Options' (above the 'Login' button), Press 'Force update!', then press 'Done', and login to Minecraft. See http://i.imgur.com/5b09B.png for visual instructions.
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#1979 [18:29] <sugoi> Ohelig: here's a test - have your exact server files copied over to the other polling-working server and test
#1980 [18:29] <Emily> I cannot log into minecraft. I redeemed a prepaid card on one pc and now it wont let me log into my mac
#1981 [18:29] <tyteen4a03> Emily, username please?
#1982 [18:29] <sugoi> Ohelig: if it polls: you have network issues, if not: you have files issues
#1983 [18:29] <Emily> Hockeygal522@aol.com
#1984 [18:30] <tyteen4a03> Emily, no, your Minecraft username, not your Mojang account email
#1985 [18:30] <Emily> Hockeygal22 is my profile
#1986 [18:30] <tyteen4a03> !paid Hockeygal22
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#1988 [18:30] <tyteen4a03> Emily, what happens when you log in?
#1989 [18:31] <Emily> i cant it says failed login
#1990 [18:31] <tyteen4a03> Emily, I take that minecraft has not worked before?
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#1992 [18:31] <germanheart32> thanks, it worked.
#1993 [18:31] <kidskids88> hi
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#1995 [18:31] <tyteen4a03> hi kidskids88
#1996 [18:32] <Emily> i was using a friends UN
#1997 [18:32] <tyteen4a03> Emily, UN?
#1998 [18:32] <kidskids88> cminecraft will not start after i installed java stuff
#1999 [18:32] <Emily> Username
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#2001 [18:32] <tyteen4a03> Emily, can you use your Mojang account email and password to log in?
#2002 [18:32] <kidskids88> it gives me this:
#2003 [18:32] <tyteen4a03> kidskids88, what happens when you try to start Minecraft using the standalone launcher?
#2004 [18:32] <Emily> Yes
#2005 [18:32] <kidskids88> Minecraft has crashed! ---------------------- Minecraft has stopped running because it encountered a problem; Failed to start game A full error report has been saved to /Users/missypierceoppenheimer/Library/Application Support/minecraft/crash-reports/crash-2013-02-19_18.29.21-client.txt - Please include a copy of that file (Not this screen!) if you report this crash to anyone; without it, t
#2006 [18:33] <tyteen4a03> ??> kidskids88 pastebin.com
#2007 [18:33] <jtbigdog> How long does it take to scan for LAN worlds?
#2008 [18:33] <tyteen4a03> ??> kidskids88 pastebin
#2009 [18:33] <VoxelHead> kidskids88: (pastebin) Pastebin is a service run at http://www.pastebin.com/ which facilitates the sharing of information without flooding IRC channels. Paste your text there, click 'Submit', and give us the URL the site takes you to, and we can see what you have pasted.
#2010 [18:33] <berlywright> sugoi it still does not work
#2011 [18:33] <tyteen4a03> jtbigdog, usually within 30 seconds
#2012 [18:33] <jtbigdog> its been scanning for 10 minutes
#2013 [18:33] <kidskids88> o
#2014 [18:33] <tyteen4a03> kidskids88, please get /Users/missypierceoppenheimer/Library/Application Support/minecraft/crash-reports/crash-2013-02-19_18.29.21-client.txt and paste it onto pastebin.com
#2015 [18:33] <Ohelig> tyteen4a03: either way, I know that the server allows UDP traffic because there is also a teamspeak server hosted on the machine
#2016 [18:33] <Emily> if you redeem on on computer u should be able to use on my mac still right?
#2017 [18:33] <tyteen4a03> Ohelig, can you try sugoi's suggestion?
#2018 [18:33] <tyteen4a03> Emily, correct
#2019 [18:34] <tyteen4a03> 18<+sugoi> Ohelig: here's a test - have your exact server files copied over to the other polling-working server and test
#2020 [18:34] <kidskids88> k
#2021 [18:34] <sugoi> berlywright: it could be a mod and perhaps some item or event in your world that is causing her problems. go ahead and paste your crash on pastebin and i'll take a look
#2022 [18:34] <kidskids88> http://pastebin.com/kECbAxa4
#2023 [18:34] <Ohelig> I have tried that. I coped files over from a different machine on a different host. Polling was working fine
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#2025 [18:34] <Ohelig> copied* files over
#2026 [18:34] <tyteen4a03> sugoi, ^
#2027 [18:34] <Emily> Any suggestions for me
#2028 [18:34] <sugoi> reading
#2029 [18:34] * Disori is now known as Disori|off
#2030 [18:34] <tyteen4a03> kidskids88, you need this file to pastebin: /Users/missypierceoppenheimer/Library/Application Support/minecraft/crash-reports/crash-2013-02-19_18.29.21-client.txt
#2031 [18:35] <kidskids88> i put that
#2032 [18:35] <berlywright> thx sugoi brb btw i had a mod but deleted it
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#2034 [18:35] <tyteen4a03> kidskids88, you need to open that file, copy and paste whatever is in it to pastebin.com, and give us the link
#2035 [18:35] <kidskids88> k
#2036 [18:36] <tyteen4a03> Ohelig, are you using bukkit?
#2037 [18:36] <Ohelig> I have tried with vanilla minecraft and bukkit
#2038 [18:36] <tyteen4a03> also sugoi: Ohelig copied the files over to the working server, the polling was working
#2039 [18:36] <kidskids88> http://pastebin.com/VVwKfg5i
#2040 [18:37] <tyteen4a03> ??> kidskids88 lwjgl
#2041 [18:37] <kidskids88> huh?
#2042 [18:37] <tyteen4a03> ??> kidskids88 java/lwjgl
#2043 [18:37] <VoxelHead> kidskids88: (java/lwjgl) See http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Tutorials/Update_LWJGL for a guide on manually updating to a new version of LWJGL.
#2044 [18:37] <kidskids88> k
#2045 [18:37] <tyteen4a03> kidskids88, you need to manually update LWJGL
#2046 [18:38] <sugoi> Ohelig, tyteen4a03: so polling is on the same port, but there is dispute whether it is udp or tcp?
#2047 [18:38] <tyteen4a03> sugoi, from what I remember polling uses UDP, unless it falls back to TCP for whatever reason...
#2048 [18:38] <kidskids88> thx
#2049 [18:38] <Ohelig> I just connected to my server and another server, along with polling both servers. Wireshark never showed a UDP packet.
#2050 [18:38] <sugoi> also, if no nat and no firewall, all i can think is that the server has some custom iptables blocking it?
#2051 [18:39] <tyteen4a03> sugoi, why is Minecraft not sending a UDP packet confuses me as well
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#2053 [18:39] <sugoi> Ohelig: but why is udp even part of our discussion if you have no nat and no firewall?
#2054 [18:39] <Ohelig> because I hadn't originally established that there was no nat or firewall
#2055 [18:40] <sugoi> ok
#2056 [18:40] <osuka_> you can be sure about the firewall
#2057 [18:40] <osuka_> but not the NAT
#2058 [18:40] <osuka_> actually, you can
#2059 [18:40] <tyteen4a03> osuka_, if you don't have a router, you don't have NAT
#2060 [18:40] <osuka_> but, uh...
#2061 [18:40] <osuka_> nevermind
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#2063 [18:40] <osuka_> that's my point, but... well, seriously, nevermind
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#2065 [18:40] <osuka_> I'm getting confused and now I'll just talk nonsense
#2066 [18:41] <Ohelig> but yeah, now I'm confused as to why there are no UDP packets. according to http://www.wiki.vg/Query UDP is used, alternatively http://www.wiki.vg/Server_List_Ping which uses TCP is used
#2067 [18:41] <tyteen4a03> Ohelig, yeah, that is how I remember it from wiki.vg
#2068 [18:41] <tyteen4a03> I'll ask in freenode
#2069 [18:41] <Ohelig> so I guess, since I'm not using Gamespot, it doesn't use UDP?
#2070 [18:41] <osuka_> When I had to port forward to my computer to host my server, I had to forward both UDP and TCP, just saying
#2071 [18:41] <sugoi> Ohelig: have you tried polling via ip?
#2072 [18:42] <Ohelig> sugoi, what do you mean?
#2073 [18:42] <sugoi> as opposed to dns
#2074 [18:42] <sugoi> 1.1.1.1 vs example.com
#2075 [18:42] <Ohelig> hm
#2076 [18:42] <sugoi> also, who is hosting your server?
#2077 [18:43] <sugoi> a person or a corporation
#2078 [18:43] <Ohelig> well, I use a hostname to connect to both servers, but I'll try replacing it with an IP
#2079 [18:43] * sugoi notes that corporations are not people :)
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#2080 [18:43] <osuka_> damn, then my whole life was a lie
#2081 [18:43] <sugoi> heh
#2082 [18:43] <osuka_> lol
#2083 [18:44] <tyteen4a03> Ohelig, apperantely only TCP is used, but since wiki.vg is used ShaRose is helping me verify this
#2084 [18:44] <tyteen4a03> *wiki.vg says otherwise
#2085 [18:44] <Ohelig> Polling using an ip still didn't work. Let me find out who hosts this server. this is my friend's server, so idk
#2086 [18:45] <berlywright> http://pastebin.com/GNFpVTuZ sugoi thats the report
#2087 [18:45] <tyteen4a03> berlywright, yup, mods
#2088 [18:45] <Ohelig> Incloudibly hosts it.
#2089 [18:45] <Ohelig> which has ddos protection...
#2090 [18:45] <berlywright> i deleted the mod
#2091 [18:46] <tyteen4a03> berlywright, both computers need to run a force update
#2092 [18:46] <berlywright> and how do u do that
#2093 [18:46] <Ohelig> I'm willing to bet that the ddos protection has something to do with it
#2094 [18:46] <osuka_> ??> forceupdate berlywright
#2095 [18:47] <tyteen4a03> osuka_, reversew
#2096 [18:47] <osuka_> derp
#2097 [18:47] <tyteen4a03> Ohelig, ok, it looks like wiki.vg is wrong, server polling does not use UDP
#2098 [18:47] <osuka_> ??> berlywright forceupdate
#2099 [18:47] <VoxelHead> berlywright: (forceupdate) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#2100 [18:47] <VoxelHead> berlywright: (forceupdate) To do so, start Minecraft, press 'Options' (above the 'Login' button), Press 'Force update!', then press 'Done', and login to Minecraft. See http://i.imgur.com/5b09B.png for visual instructions.
#2101 [18:47] <osuka_> yay. Once in a lifetime.
#2102 [18:47] <osuka_> Hope it's logged.
#2103 [18:47] <sugoi> i read that "river sew" and i'm thinking, who does sewing on a river
#2104 [18:47] <berlywright> ok thx
#2105 [18:47] <osuka_> lol
#2106 [18:48] <Ohelig> sugoi, tyteen4a03, if you didn't see me say it, Incloudibly hosts the server. They have ddos protection.
#2107 [18:48] <osuka_> *glares at sugoi* do you have a problem with that?
#2108 [18:48] <sugoi> Ohelig: well it clearly is the network differences...but difficult for me to pinpoint why
#2109 [18:48] <tyteen4a03> Ohelig, is your server popular?
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#2111 [18:48] <kidskids88> hi another crash
#2112 [18:48] <Ohelig> well, it had 60-80 people on at a time during peak hours on the old machine, but now people don't see us as online
#2113 [18:48] <tyteen4a03> kidskids88, give us the pastebin entry to the crash report
#2114 [18:48] <osuka_> hey, mate
#2115 [18:48] <kidskids88> k
#2116 [18:49] <osuka_> we'll need the crash report
#2117 [18:49] <sugoi> i've run a good few servers my self, but i only do it locally, pay for a big cable - i like owning my junk and knowing where my bits are
#2118 [18:49] <tyteen4a03> Ohelig, because of the connection made everytime the server polls, it might have blocked them all
#2119 [18:49] <osuka_> ??< bot/help
#2120 [18:49] <kidskids88> http://pastebin.com/sN8TNByB
#2121 [18:49] <osuka_> ??< index
#2122 [18:49] <Ohelig> But does the ddos protection differentiate from a poll packet and a 'join the server' packet?
#2123 [18:49] <kidskids88> i did the article thing and it did this
#2124 [18:49] <tyteen4a03> Ohelig, since it uses TCP it will still require a handshake
#2125 [18:50] <berlywright> nope did'nt work :(
#2126 [18:51] <tyteen4a03> Ohelig, so your hosting may identify this as a DDoS attack if you send too much polling packets, I suppose
#2127 [18:51] <Ohelig> see, I don't know if this is the correct interpretation, but according to http://i.imgur.com/RqKaw8X.png , the handshake never completed for the polling.
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#2129 [18:51] <berlywright> still got the crash report
#2130 [18:51] <Ohelig> my server is the 46.xx.xx.xx
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#2133 [18:52] <tyteen4a03> Ohelig, yup, so your server is dropping the connection, because it never replied with an ACK
#2134 [18:52] <kidskids88> http://pastebin.com/sN8TNByB
#2135 [18:52] <Ohelig> but what I don't get is why the ddos protection would interfere with the polling handshake but not the 'join the server' handshake
#2136 [18:53] <berlywright> sugoi
#2137 [18:53] <sugoi> aye
#2138 [18:53] <sugoi> aye
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#2140 [18:53] <tyteen4a03> Ohelig, try this: after the polling packet is sent, immediately join the server
#2141 [18:53] <sugoi> yeah, i read the stack, but it doesn't have anything interesting to me
#2142 [18:53] <tyteen4a03> Ohelig, see if it still drops the packety
#2143 [18:53] <berlywright> it did not work i forced updated it
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#2145 [18:53] <sugoi> berlywright: try making a world file, see if she can connect
#2146 [18:53] <sugoi> berlywright: a NEW world i meant
#2147 [18:54] <berlywright> kk
#2148 [18:54] <sugoi> if she can, you have something in your world she doesn't like
#2149 [18:54] <sugoi> if she cannot, then there is just something wrong with her isntall
#2150 [18:56] * Wahrheit_ is now known as Wahrheit
#2151 [18:57] <Ohelig> tyteen4a03: it doesn't look like I ever got a polling packet back, or even an ack
#2152 [18:57] <tyteen4a03> Ohelig, your server hosting may have a learning firewall and specifically drops the polling packet
#2153 [18:57] <tyteen4a03> Ohelig, might want to contact them about it
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#2157 [18:59] <Ohelig> Am I even sending the poll packet since I never completed the handshake?
#2158 [18:59] <sugoi> Ohelig: i assume you are testing from the same client to the working machine, so it would seem the same attempt is made
#2159 [18:59] <sugoi> of course, you could sniff your client side <- weird thing to say
#2160 [18:59] <tyteen4a03> sugoi, if you add backside to that sentence, yes it would sound weird
#2161 [19:00] <Ohelig> According to wireshark, I only sent 1 packet to the server, and that would be my attempt to form a connection so I can poll.
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#2163 [19:00] <Ohelig> but that's just a normal connection, nothing to do with minecraft
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#2168 [19:02] <tyteen4a03> Ohelig, whan happens if you join the server immediately after the packet is sent?
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#2170 [19:03] <Mimi> I recently purchased minecraft. Received two confirmation emails. I'm unable to create a profile when i click on the link that is given. it says that I already own minecraft and that i only get one copy per game.
#2171 [19:03] <tyteen4a03> Mimi, did you buy Minecraft twice?
#2172 [19:04] <Mimi> No. It looks like i might have been charged twice though
#2173 [19:04] <berlywright> lol i still have some of the mod stuff sugoi
#2174 [19:04] <berlywright> and it work thx sugoi and whoever helped me :)
#2175 [19:04] <Ohelig> tyteen4a03: I join the server successfully
#2176 [19:04] <tyteen4a03> Mimi, please read this: http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/329760-i%E2%80%99ve-been-charged-more-than-once
#2177 [19:05] <kidskids88> http://pastebin.com/sN8TNByB guys help plz
#2178 [19:05] <tyteen4a03> Ohelig, strange firewall they have
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#2180 [19:05] <Mimi> i saw that. haven't really checked my account yet. Big issue is that i can't create a profile or download the game
#2181 [19:05] <tyteen4a03> Mimi, go to http://account.mojang.com
#2182 [19:06] <tyteen4a03> Mimi, what do you see under My Games?
#2183 [19:06] <Ohelig> okay, this is weird. I received a packet back from the server 30 seconds after the polling
#2184 [19:07] <Ohelig> but the server sent it back to the wrong port?
#2185 [19:07] <tyteen4a03> Ohelig, hmm
#2186 [19:07] <Mimi> two separate boxes that say i have an unredeemed game. when i click on them, i get the "you already own minecraft" message
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#2188 [19:07] <tyteen4a03> Mimi, you'll need to email Mojang, including your Mojand account email, your desired Minecraft username and both transaction IDs then
#2189 [19:07] <tyteen4a03> Mimi, you'll need to email Mojang, including your Mojand account email, your desired Minecraft username and both transaction IDs then
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#2191 [19:08] <tyteen4a03> ??> Mimi mojang/email
#2192 [19:08] <VoxelHead> Mimi: (mojang/email) You can email Mojang by going here: http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/emails/new
#2193 [19:08] <Ohelig> http://i.imgur.com/NQxxyrf.png I think it may be from when I connected to the server a few minutes ago, because port 51133 was what it was using earlier
#2194 [19:10] <tyteen4a03> sugoi, Ohelig: any ideas?
#2195 [19:10] <tyteen4a03> right now I can only think of the server being derp
#2196 [19:11] <sugoi> i still blame the network
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#2198 [19:11] <sugoi> if you copy the files, and it works, then it is the connect to the server
#2199 [19:11] <sugoi> connection*
#2200 [19:11] <sugoi> or, too - any networking processes on the server itself
#2201 [19:12] <Ohelig> Maybe I'll ask the host to disable SYN flood protection on port 25565. If I get lucky, the attackers won't figure it out.
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#2204 [19:13] <osuka_> Ohelig: That'd be the first port I'd attack on a minecraft server... just saying
#2205 [19:14] <tyteen4a03> Ohelig, I would stick to 51133, but attackers can easily find out which port your server is using
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#2207 [19:14] <Ohelig> tyteen, that's the outbound port on my pc, not the one the server is on
#2208 [19:14] * tyteen4a03 certainly needs coffee
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#2209 [19:15] <Ohelig> osuka_: The attackers were hitting speeds of 300Mbps, meaning they're probably buying time on a botnet or something. I don't know how much they can configure the attack
#2210 [19:16] <Ohelig> again, if I get lucky, they won't be able to attack port 25565 with a syn flood
#2211 [19:16] <osuka_> Ohelig: lol
#2212 [19:16] <Ohelig> worst case scenario, they figure it out and I re-enable syn flood protection
#2213 [19:16] <osuka_> now that's a little bit extreme
#2214 [19:16] <osuka_> but why were they attacking you?
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#2217 [19:17] <Ohelig> Competition between big minecraft servers gets pretty intense.
#2218 [19:17] <osuka_> yeah, ik
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#2220 [19:18] <Ohelig> the owner pulls in hundreds of dollars a month in "donations", so he can pay the ddos protection bill
#2221 [19:18] <Andrew> so i think i ruiened minecraft
#2222 [19:18] <osuka_> I know a server that constantly gets ddosed by another server
#2223 [19:18] <Andrew> for good
#2224 [19:19] <osuka_> the second one sucks, but it's huge
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#2226 [19:21] <Andrew> So here it is. I can open the launcher, choose to force update, then start the game. The download finishes and then i get a black screen. I am running vanilla, no mods or anythnig. I tried deleating and reloading the .minecraft file from the %appdata%. I also cant play minecraft in a browser. Help?
#2227 [19:22] * mattym|away is now known as mattym
#2228 [19:22] <clarjon1> Andrew: make sure your graphics driver is up to date
#2229 [19:22] <Andrew> did that
#2230 [19:22] <Andrew> through device manager
#2231 [19:23] <clarjon1> No
#2232 [19:23] <clarjon1> Find out who makes your graphics card, then go to their website, and look for driver updates.
#2233 [19:23] <clarjon1> You can't rely on Windows Update to keep third party company hardware drivers up to date.
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#2235 [19:24] <ggmoney14> is anyone's minecraft not even loading
#2236 [19:24] <mattym> cant rely on windows update for much at all, except a headache
#2237 [19:24] <Andrew> found out there is a new one, downloading now
#2238 [19:25] <Andrew> whats weird is that it was working 3h ago
#2239 [19:26] <ggmoney14> its not the update, i get this; Failed to start
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#2241 [19:27] <ggmoney14> fatal error occured (2): C:\users\griffin\appdata\roaming\.minecraft\bin\version ( the system cannot find the path)
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#2243 [19:29] <ggmoney14> anyone
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#2249 [19:34] <NeedHelp> hello??
#2250 [19:34] <NeedHelp> i need help plz!
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#2252 [19:34] <NeedHelp> hello??
#2253 [19:35] <NeedHelp> when i try to go fullscreen, my minecraft crashes
#2254 [19:35] <NeedHelp> PLZ
#2255 [19:35] <NeedHelp> What do i do?
#2256 [19:36] <NeedHelp> WTF?? ANYONE THERE??
#2257 [19:36] <NeedHelp> WTF?? ANYONE THERE??
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#2259 [19:36] <Andrew> hey
#2260 [19:36] <Andrew> do you have any mods installed?
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#2262 [19:37] <NeedHelp> hello?
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#2264 [19:37] <Andrew> do you have any mods instaled
#2265 [19:37] <Andrew> need help
#2266 [19:37] <NeedHelp> i need help
#2267 [19:37] <Andrew> i see
#2268 [19:37] <Andrew> do you have mods installed
#2269 [19:37] <Andrew> i read your old post
#2270 [19:37] <NeedHelp> i dont
#2271 [19:37] <Andrew> hmm
#2272 [19:38] <Andrew> so you did nothing to the .jar files
#2273 [19:38] <NeedHelp> when i try to go fullscreen, my minecraft crashes
#2274 [19:38] <NeedHelp> tplz help
#2275 [19:38] <Andrew> let me think
#2276 [19:38] <Andrew> did you try a force update?
#2277 [19:38] <NeedHelp> yes, i almost tried everything legal!!
#2278 [19:39] <NeedHelp> lol
#2279 [19:39] <Andrew> what does it say when it crashes?
#2280 [19:39] <NeedHelp> one sec
#2281 [19:39] <Andrew> if its an issue of ram, i can help you
#2282 [19:40] <NeedHelp> Minecraft has stopped running because it encountered a problem; Updating screen events
#2283 [19:40] <NeedHelp> that
#2284 [19:40] <Andrew> has it worked before?
#2285 [19:40] <NeedHelp> yes
#2286 [19:40] <Andrew> and you did nothing new to the files
#2287 [19:40] <Andrew> so lets try updating your graphics card
#2288 [19:41] <NeedHelp> well, i erased all the old minecraft files
#2289 [19:41] <NeedHelp> then downloaded them again
#2290 [19:41] <Andrew> do you know how to do that
#2291 [19:41] <NeedHelp> yes
#2292 [19:41] <NeedHelp> not updating my graphics card, thpugh
#2293 [19:41] <Andrew> from the manufacures website, not windows
#2294 [19:41] <NeedHelp> though
#2295 [19:41] <Andrew> ohk
#2296 [19:41] <NeedHelp> oh
#2297 [19:41] <NeedHelp> intel
#2298 [19:42] <Andrew> first go to the start menu, type "device manager"
#2299 [19:42] <Andrew> and open
#2300 [19:42] <NeedHelp> ok one sec plz
#2301 [19:42] <Andrew> choose display addapter
#2302 [19:42] <Andrew> and see what you got
#2303 [19:43] <NeedHelp> intel(R) HD graphics
#2304 [19:43] <Andrew> then go to google and type "google hd graphics driver update"
#2305 [19:43] <cestislife> No need
#2306 [19:43] <cestislife> ??> NeedHelp deloptions
#2307 [19:43] <VoxelHead> NeedHelp: (deloptions) You may need to reset your Minecraft settings to default. To do so, open your .minecraft directory and delete the files called 'options.txt'.
#2308 [19:44] <Andrew> this guy prob knows more than me
#2309 [19:44] <Andrew> just helping cus no one else was
#2310 [19:44] <NeedHelp> tnx andrew
#2311 [19:44] <cestislife> Nah, it's okay, trying to help is cool :3
#2312 [19:44] <NeedHelp> yes sir
#2313 [19:45] <NeedHelp> i deleted, so what now?
#2314 [19:45] <cestislife> Start the game
#2315 [19:45] <cestislife> Proble mshould be gone.
#2316 [19:45] <cestislife> Don't use full screen again :o
#2317 [19:45] <NeedHelp> ok one sec
#2318 [19:46] <NeedHelp> yeah.. it isn't working
#2319 [19:46] <NeedHelp> well, tnx anyway
#2320 [19:46] <cestislife> Did it crash or anything?
#2321 [19:47] <NeedHelp> it crashed
#2322 [19:47] <cestislife> Did it generate a crash log?
#2323 [19:47] <NeedHelp> yes
#2324 [19:47] <cestislife> Mind pasting it on pastebin and share it with us?
#2325 [19:47] <NeedHelp> ok
#2326 [19:48] <NeedHelp> here it is :: http://pastebin.com/EbR2eGUW
#2327 [19:49] <cestislife> Got it, lemme see.
#2328 [19:49] <NeedHelp> k
#2329 [19:49] <cestislife> Try updating LWJGL
#2330 [19:49] <cestislife> ??> NeedHelp java/lwjgl
#2331 [19:49] <VoxelHead> NeedHelp: (java/lwjgl) See http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Tutorials/Update_LWJGL for a guide on manually updating to a new version of LWJGL.
#2332 [19:49] <NeedHelp> oooooooook
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#2334 [19:51] <NeedHelp> ok on the link you sent, it says under notes that "on most 64 bit computers, the lwjgl64.dll update will cause a black screen crash. You can revert to the backup version you have saved if needed." how do i do that?
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#2336 [19:51] <NeedHelp> that is what is happening
#2337 [19:51] <cestislife> Hold on, let me grab the auto updater for you.
#2338 [19:51] <rick_> i just tried to join for the first time and was told that my account was locked. How can I purchase?
#2339 [19:52] <cestislife> NeedHelp: http://syfaro.net/builds/LWJGL_Updater.jar
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#2341 [19:52] <NeedHelp> ok
#2342 [19:52] <cestislife> rick_: Elaborate?
#2343 [19:52] <NeedHelp> i just downloaded it
#2344 [19:53] <cestislife> Run it, and it should update the files for you.
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#2347 [19:53] <NeedHelp> ok one sec
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#2349 [19:53] <rick_> I just entered profile information, then verified E-mail, then went to site, I tried to purchase with my cc info and it told me my account was locked.
#2350 [19:54] <NeedHelp> well, do i open it with winrar, or something else
#2351 [19:54] <cestislife> rick_: I'm not familiar with that error, perhaps someone else might.
#2352 [19:54] <NeedHelp> well, do i open it with winrar, or something else
#2353 [19:54] <cestislife> NeedHelp: Just doube clicking it should open up a window
#2354 [19:54] <cestislife> It's a jar executable.
#2355 [19:54] <NeedHelp> winrar window
#2356 [19:54] <NeedHelp> jar?
#2357 [19:54] <NeedHelp> ok
#2358 [19:55] <NeedHelp> ??
#2359 [19:55] <NeedHelp> winrar?
#2360 [19:55] <cestislife> No, clicking on it should show you this : http://i.imgur.com/3nqwMBP.png
#2361 [19:56] <cestislife> If that does not work, then you need to do it manually then; refer to the article I linked earlier.
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#2364 [19:58] <NeedHelp> well... when i onpen it with java, it says erroe
#2365 [19:59] <NeedHelp> terror
#2366 [19:59] <NeedHelp> error
#2367 [19:59] <NeedHelp> open
#2368 [19:59] <cestislife> Then follow the guide here
#2369 [19:59] <cestislife> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Tutorials/Update_LWJGL
#2370 [19:59] <cestislife> If updating still renders the error, I can only suggest a force update
#2371 [19:59] <cestislife> ??> NeedHelp forceupdate
#2372 [19:59] <VoxelHead> NeedHelp: (forceupdate) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
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#2374 [19:59] <VoxelHead> NeedHelp: (forceupdate) To do so, start Minecraft, press 'Options' (above the 'Login' button), Press 'Force update!', then press 'Done', and login to Minecraft. See http://i.imgur.com/5b09B.png for visual instructions.
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#2383 [20:05] <NeedHelp> for goodness sake, it isn't working
#2384 [20:06] <NeedHelp> thank you and goodbye
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#2390 [20:10] <steve__> I sent an email yesterday because I was having a problem. Where would I go to check to see if there is a reply?
#2391 [20:10] <Max> Hi! I'm trying to tun minecraft on windows and when i open the application i get a black screen right after i double click on the icon. nothing happens after. any help?
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#2396 [20:12] <steve__> I sent an email yesterday about a problem I was having. Someone on here called it a help letter. Where do I go to look for the reply?
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#2400 [20:16] <Bishop> When I try to run minecraft I get an error - This application requires a Java Runtime Environment 1.5.0
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#2402 [20:16] <Bishop> It automatically opened the update page for java so i updated, still getting the error.
#2403 [20:16] <blah> i can't open my minecraft server, a bunch of errors pop up
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#2406 [20:18] <zkxs> blah: What errors are you getting?
#2407 [20:19] <zkxs> Bishop: Could you tell me what version of java you have by using this utility? http://www.java.com/en/download/installed.jsp
#2408 [20:19] <blah> um hold let me check again
#2409 [20:19] <Bishop> Java installed (Version 7 Update 15)
#2410 [20:20] <zkxs> Bishop: Are you playing minecraft in your browser, or using the standalone launcher?
#2411 [20:20] <Bishop> launcher
#2412 [20:21] <blah> java errors java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: Java heap space at javax.swing.text.GapContent.allocateArray(GapContent.java:77) at javax.swing.text.GapVector.resize(GapVector.java:197) at javax.swing.text.GapVector.shiftEnd(GapVector.java:212) at javax.swing.text.GapContent.shiftEnd(GapContent.java:328) at javax.swing.text.GapVector.open(GapVector.java:184) at javax.swing.text.GapVector.replace(GapVector.java:125) at javax.swing.text.GapConte
#2413 [20:21] <Bishop> I've never had this problem before, been playing for years. Know how to fix most problems on my own too, this is weird.
#2414 [20:21] <blah> that's what it says when i try to open the server
#2415 [20:22] <zkxs> Bishop: huh, you have the right version of java. Is there still an old version installed?
#2416 [20:22] <zkxs> blah: Could you paste the entire error log to pastebin.com, submit it, and give me the url it takes you to?
#2417 [20:23] <Bishop> zkxs Not sure, i'm installing the 64 bit version right now manually just to make sure I have it. If that doens't work i'll try uninstalling java entirely.
#2418 [20:23] <blah> zkxs: okay i'll try
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#2420 [20:24] <zkxs> Bishop: The 32 bit and 64 bit installs are separate. Another thing you might try is using the .jar launcher instead of the .exe launcher. It could be that Minecraft.exe is getting confused and can't find your java runtime.
#2421 [20:25] <Bishop> I recently messed with my path variables a little bit trying to set up eclipse, could that have done something?
#2422 [20:25] <Bishop> Fixed.
#2423 [20:25] <zkxs> Bishop: It shouldn't have... java isn't in the path by default.
#2424 [20:26] <Bishop> Like I said, manually installed the 64 bit version and now it works. No idea why that happened though.
#2425 [20:26] <blah> zkxs: http://pastebin.com/rrs9chk5
#2426 [20:26] <zkxs> Bishop: Weird. Glad you solved it :)
#2427 [20:26] <Bishop> zkxs - Thanks a lot (=
#2428 [20:26] <mattym> Manually installing the 64-bit one forces MC to use that one Bishop
#2429 [20:26] <zkxs> thank you blah
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#2431 [20:26] <Bishop> mattym - Just a tad too late, thank you though.
#2432 [20:26] <mattym> the PATH is probably waht messed it up cause it pointed java to a devkit instead of the runtime
#2433 [20:27] <mattym> just for future reference
#2434 [20:27] <Bishop> Thanks mattym
#2435 [20:27] <zkxs> blah: Are you out of ram?
#2436 [20:28] <blah> zkxs: no i'm not
#2437 [20:28] <zkxs> blah: Is the server in a directory it has full write access to?
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#2439 [20:29] <mattym> blah are you using the default server jar to launch it or a script/bat file to run the server?
#2440 [20:29] <zkxs> It looks like he's using the server exe
#2441 [20:29] <zkxs> Because Swing
#2442 [20:30] <blah> no i'm using the 'jar'
#2443 [20:30] <mattym> ok
#2444 [20:30] <mattym> how much ram does that computer have?
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#2446 [20:30] <blah> i have 3 gig of ram is that good?
#2447 [20:31] <zkxs> Isn't the jar console only? Why are there swing things?
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#2449 [20:31] <mattym> should be fine, is it a 64-Bit OS, and are you using 64-Bit java
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#2452 [20:31] <blah> um i don't know, how do you figure that out?
#2453 [20:32] <mattym> Windows?
#2454 [20:32] <blah> yes
#2455 [20:32] <mattym> uh, what version, do you know
#2456 [20:33] <mattym> get to your control panel and find the option System
#2457 [20:33] <blah> um what do you mean? what version of windows? windows 7
#2458 [20:33] <mattym> yeah, with win7 go to your control panel, there should be an option called System
#2459 [20:34] <blah> okay hold on
#2460 [20:34] <blah> 64 bit
#2461 [20:34] <blah> is that what you were asking for?
#2462 [20:35] <mattym> yeha
#2463 [20:35] <mattym> one second
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#2465 [20:35] <mattym> Choose the download on this page that is Windows 64Bit http://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp
#2466 [20:36] <mattym> and install that java, and see if the server will run
#2467 [20:36] <blah> alright
#2468 [20:38] <blah> no i downloaded 64 bit and i still get the error
#2469 [20:38] <mattym> did you install the 64bit?
#2470 [20:39] <mattym> can i get a pastebin of the latest error/crash report
#2471 [20:39] <blah> yes i did, and it still doesn't work
#2472 [20:40] <blah> okaay
#2473 [20:40] <mattym> if it output the crash to a file, find that file and copy all the contents
#2474 [20:41] <blah> http://pastebin.com/rrs9chk5 it's the same error as before
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#2477 [20:42] <mattym> ok let me look something up
#2478 [20:43] <blah> okay i'm going to restart my other computer to test this java thing hold on
#2479 [20:43] <blah> and okay
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#2483 [20:49] <mattym> blah you said you were using the Jar version not the exe?
#2484 [20:49] <blah> mattym: yes
#2485 [20:50] <mattym> so you made a launch script (batch file)
#2486 [20:51] <blah> mattym: um what does that mean?
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#2488 [20:51] <zkxs> How do you start your server?
#2489 [20:51] <mattym> how are you starting the file? just clicking the jar?
#2490 [20:52] <ineedyohelp> Can you help me my minecraft has crashed due to ticking entity and i dont know how to fix it
#2491 [20:52] <mattym> ineedyohelp did you by any chance install mods?
#2492 [20:52] <ineedyohelp> yes
#2493 [20:52] <mattym> ??> ineedyohelp forceupdate
#2494 [20:52] <VoxelHead> ineedyohelp: (forceupdate) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#2495 [20:52] <VoxelHead> ineedyohelp: (forceupdate) To do so, start Minecraft, press 'Options' (above the 'Login' button), Press 'Force update!', then press 'Done', and login to Minecraft. See http://i.imgur.com/5b09B.png for visual instructions.
#2496 [20:52] <mattym> that ^ will clear out the mods and your problem
#2497 [20:53] <ineedyohelp> I will try and see if that works
#2498 [20:53] <mattym> That error means that either you didnt install a mod properly, or installed more than one that are not compatable with each other, beyond that ^ we cant give any other mod related help in this channel
#2499 [20:54] <blah> i start it by opening the jar file
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#2501 [20:54] <mattym> blah thats why its crashing
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#2503 [20:54] <blah> okay how do i open it then?
#2504 [20:54] <Csls97> ok it says that i have to buy the game to change my skin but i own the game
#2505 [20:54] <mattym> one second blah im getting you a lin
#2506 [20:54] <mattym> link*
#2507 [20:55] <mattym> blah there are two options here, be sure to read them carefully http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Setting_up_a_server#Start_the_Minecraft_server_.28.jar_version.29
#2508 [20:55] <blah> okay thank you i'll try this
#2509 [20:55] <ineedyohelp> thank you that really helped me
#2510 [20:55] <mattym> Csls97 are you logged into minecraft.net with your paid account
#2511 [20:55] <Csls97> yes i am
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#2513 [20:55] <mattym> and your on the profile page
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#2515 [20:56] <Csls97> yes
#2516 [20:56] <mattym> and when you hit upload for the skin it gives you that error?
#2517 [20:57] <Csls97> no when i go to profile it says "you need to purchase the game to change you're skin". but at the top it says im loged on
#2518 [20:57] <mattym> when did you purchase the game?
#2519 [20:58] <Csls97> yes i did. it even says i did 3 months ago
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#2521 [20:58] <mattym> thats odd
#2522 [20:58] <Csls97> right?
#2523 [20:58] <mattym> but, there was someone earlier today who had a skin issue
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#2525 [20:59] <mattym> however mojangs site monitor says that the skin service is running fine, so i dont know what to say
#2526 [20:59] <mattym> When you log into the game you have no trouble right?
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#2529 [20:59] <Csls97> is there a way to contact them directly contact them? and no problems
#2530 [20:59] <mattym> not really
#2531 [21:00] <Csls97> ok
#2532 [21:00] <mattym> the only form of direct contact is through the help mail
#2533 [21:00] <mattym> but you wont here back for a while
#2534 [21:00] <ineedyohelp> does anyone know if xray and reis minimap are compatible
#2535 [21:00] <bela141> This isn't a very serious problem, but ingame when I go to my inventory or crafting table to craft something, I can't click it.. I have to drag it. And it's very annoying. This started to happen after I downloaded Nodus (a mod). Any idea on how I can fix this?
#2536 [21:00] <mattym> ineedyohelp like i said, we really dont do mods in this channel, ask in a forum post
#2537 [21:00] <ineedyohelp> okay
#2538 [21:01] <mattym> bela141 remove the mod and see if it still happens
#2539 [21:01] <Csls97> yea . idk what to do
#2540 [21:01] <mattym> ??> bela141 forceupdate
#2541 [21:01] <VoxelHead> bela141: (forceupdate) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#2542 [21:01] <VoxelHead> bela141: (forceupdate) To do so, start Minecraft, press 'Options' (above the 'Login' button), Press 'Force update!', then press 'Done', and login to Minecraft. See http://i.imgur.com/5b09B.png for visual instructions.
#2543 [21:01] <Csls97> let me try something
#2544 [21:01] <mattym> bela141 ^ that will give you a mod free install of minecraft
#2545 [21:01] <bela141> Okay. I will try that. Thank you.
#2546 [21:03] <Csls97> ok so i loged out and tried just my username. but it says that it doesnt know them. i use my e-mail on the game and to log on to the site
#2547 [21:04] <mattym> Csls97 yeah if you purchased it through mojang.com or migrated and old account you always need to log in with the email
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#2549 [21:05] <blah> mattym: i tried both options and i still get the same error
#2550 [21:05] <mattym> did you edit your PATH variable?
#2551 [21:06] <Csls97> well it says " Oops, unknown username or password. If you are logging in with a Mojang account make sure to use your e-mail address as username. When logging in with a Mojang account, use your e-mail address as username."
#2552 [21:06] <Csls97> o never mind
#2553 [21:06] <bela141> I tried the force update but I still need to drag it.
#2554 [21:06] <blah> mattym what is that?
#2555 [21:06] <Tobiscis> Hi, my single player world crashed. When I went back my cobblestone house was gone along with a tower and other pieces. Some items were buried. I looked online and it sounds like it chunked and some parts of the land reverted. I meet system requirements, updated my OS, updated Java, forced updates in Minecraft and reinstalled Java. Here is a link to my error report. http://pastebin.com/SMRfrnvu is there anything else I c
#2556 [21:07] <blah> oh you weren't talking to me my bad lol
#2557 [21:07] <mattym> bela141 This nodus thing is a hacked client, please kindly leave the channel until you are ready to either pay for minecraft or play it the propper way
#2558 [21:07] <mattym> blah the thing about PATH was for you
#2559 [21:08] <blah> mattym oh okay so what does that mean? how to i edit that
#2560 [21:08] <bela141> I did pay for Minecraft then a couple months later I downloaded Nodus.
#2561 [21:08] <mattym> Tobiscis the world still works?
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#2563 [21:08] <mattym> bela141 then download minecraft from the website and stop using Nodus
#2564 [21:09] <Csls97> o and when i go to the help thing it says " minecraft skins" "the service is healthy
#2565 [21:09] <bela141> Okay.. But I did pay and download minecraft from the webite. Thank you anyway though,
#2566 [21:09] <mattym> blah in the link there were instructions about editing the PATH, i believe they are somehwere above option 1
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#2568 [21:10] <Tobiscis> Yes, the world still works, just the house and its contents are gone and half of my wheat farm is buried. I don't have backups on my pc, but was online. Is there anything I can do to recover?
#2569 [21:10] <mattym> Tobiscis sadly no, the only way would have been backups
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#2571 [21:10] <Tobiscis> lesson learned, thanks for your help
#2572 [21:11] <mattym> with crashes once you load back in the damage is done
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#2574 [21:11] <Tobiscis> aargh
#2575 [21:11] <Csls97> so i guess just go and e-mail them?
#2576 [21:12] <mattym> Csls97 yeah, just keep in mind they are currently backlogged on those emails
#2577 [21:12] <kevinw> i just bought the game for my daughter, but cant seem to connect or download?any help much appreciated
#2578 [21:12] <mattym> http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/359446-when-will-i-hear-back-
#2579 [21:12] <mattym> kevinw did you recieve the confirmation email
#2580 [21:12] <Csls97> i would have expected but what els can i do?
#2581 [21:12] <kevinw> not yet
#2582 [21:12] <blah> okay i'll try this i have to restart the computer again
#2583 [21:13] <mattym> not much, other than try it again in a day or two Csls97
#2584 [21:13] <mattym> kevinw ok 1 sec
#2585 [21:13] <kevinw> she was all stoked about playing tonight
#2586 [21:13] <Tobiscis> so if it happens again I would need to restore from a backup before I log back in?
#2587 [21:13] <mattym> Tobiscis you can restore from a backup as long as minecraft itself is closed
#2588 [21:13] <mattym> i backup my saves folder each night
#2589 [21:14] <mattym> so i never loose more than a days worth of work
#2590 [21:14] <mattym> kevinw if you didnt get the email it means the purchase didnt complete, even tho you may have gotten to the confirmation page
#2591 [21:14] <mattym> this happens a lot
#2592 [21:14] <Tobiscis> ok, sounds like good advice, thanks again
#2593 [21:14] <mattym> because minecraft is an international purchase, lots of times credit card companies or banks stop the transaction
#2594 [21:14] <mattym> because minecraft is an international purchase, lots of times credit card companies or banks stop the transaction
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#2596 [21:15] <Csls97> and what is there email?
#2597 [21:15] <mattym> kevinw call your credit card company or bank (however you paid) and make sure they allow the purchase, or if you were already charged let us know
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#2599 [21:16] <mattym> Csls97 http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/emails/new
#2600 [21:16] <kevinw> it says i have the game on my accounts page, and said it would be sending my confirmation shortly
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#2604 [21:17] <mattym> kevinw on the account page does it have anything under Profile Name
#2605 [21:17] <bela141> What if the drag thing wasn't related to Nodus? Would I try the same thing or would there be a different thing I could try?
#2606 [21:17] <mattym> bela141 try deleting your Options file
#2607 [21:18] <bela141> Okay. How would I do that?
#2608 [21:18] <mattym> do you know where your .minecraft folder is
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#2610 [21:18] <bela141> Yes
#2611 [21:18] <mattym> its in there
#2612 [21:18] <bela141> Okay.
#2613 [21:18] <bela141> Thank you. I will try it.
#2614 [21:18] <mattym> make sure MC is closed
#2615 [21:18] <bela141> Okay
#2616 [21:19] <mattym> kevinw Did you see if there was anything listed under Profile name next to minecraft on the account page?
#2617 [21:20] <kevinw> yes its the profile name my daughter created
#2618 [21:20] <mattym> ok... when you load up the launcher what does it say when you try to log in
#2619 [21:20] <bela141> Would deleting the options do anything to mess up my Minecraft?
#2620 [21:20] <kevinw> cannot conect to server
#2621 [21:21] <mattym> bela141 it will reset all controls and any options you changes
#2622 [21:21] <mattym> kevinw Does it say exactly that, or something else?
#2623 [21:21] <bela141> Okay. Thank you.
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#2625 [21:22] <kevinw> if i click on minecraft from the accounts page it say server is too busy
#2626 [21:22] <mattym> hmm
#2627 [21:22] <mattym> so you cant even download the launcher?
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#2629 [21:23] <mattym> kevinw try the file here http://minecraft.net/download
#2630 [21:23] <kevinw> ive gotten to the the launcher, thats where i get the cannot connect to server error...
#2631 [21:23] <bela141> Thank you so much. It worked. :)
#2632 [21:24] <mattym> Doesit say cannot connect to server or cannot connect to minecraft.net
#2633 [21:25] <blah> mattym this is the error i get "If you get an error like "Can't save server.properties" and your screen fills with useless, gibberish text, close the command prompt window and running the MinecraftServer.bat file as the Administrator by right-mouse clicking on it and choosing 'Run as...'. (You will need the administrator password to do this...)" i don't understand what to do
#2634 [21:26] <kevinw> now i cant remember freakin password!!!
#2635 [21:27] <mattym> blah if you right click the batch file, you should be able to see Run as administrator or just Run as
#2636 [21:28] <mattym> blah if you dont understand this kind of stuff, running a server probably isnt the best idea
#2637 [21:28] <kevinw> wheres the link to reset password!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#2638 [21:29] <mattym> kevinw if you go to http://mojang.com and click login the option should be there
#2639 [21:29] <mattym> before you do that
#2640 [21:29] <mattym> are you getting Login Failed?
#2641 [21:29] <blah> mattym yes i did that it's still not working
#2642 [21:30] <mattym> blah have you tried using the exe version of the server?
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#2644 [21:31] <kevinw> sent a password request i'll just wait and see, not sure why the same password doesnt work for logging into majong as it does the launcher
#2645 [21:31] <xStickyPancakesx> How/where do I download Mod Loader and Minecraft Forge?
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#2647 [21:31] <mattym> xStickyPancakesx this is the wrong channel for that
#2648 [21:31] <xStickyPancakesx> Could you link me to the right one?
#2649 [21:32] <mattym> kevinw when you log into the launcher, are you using the same email and password you do at mojang.com
#2650 [21:32] <kevinw> yeah
#2651 [21:32] <mattym> cause thats how its supposed to be, you dont log in with the username
#2652 [21:32] <kevinw> i am using the same one
#2653 [21:32] <Leif> i bought minecraft and the email has not been sent to me yet what did i do wrong
#2654 [21:32] <blah> mattym, back to the other thing... it says i'm not the administrator but i'm the only account on the computer
#2655 [21:32] <mattym> xStickyPancakesx google search them
#2656 [21:33] <mattym> blah that means whoever set up the PC made that account a non admin account
#2657 [21:33] <xStickyPancakesx> I have. The one I downloaded didn't work, so I'm assuming it was broken.
#2658 [21:34] <mattym> if you go into control pannel and then into user profiles and see if you can make your account and admin blah
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#2660 [21:34] <mattym> ??> xStickyPancakesx mods
#2661 [21:34] <VoxelHead> xStickyPancakesx: (mods) This channel is not a venue for mod support, or support for modded clients or servers. As it is impossible for anybody to know every combination of mods out there, this channel does not assist with unofficial third-party modded content.
#2662 [21:34] <VoxelHead> xStickyPancakesx: (mods) For single player mods, contact the mod's creator or try http://tiny.cc/modinstall for general installation instructions. For bukkit help, use #bukkit; you can also search Google for a mod's installation instructions.
#2663 [21:34] <mattym> Leif what method did you use to purchse?
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#2666 [21:35] <Leif> i used a credit card and then tried a debit card
#2667 [21:35] <mattym> Leif what happens a lot is credit card companies and banks block the transaction because its international
#2668 [21:35] <mattym> call your company or bank and make sure that they didnt do this
#2669 [21:36] <kevinw> do they send the confirmation email instantly or can it take some time
#2670 [21:36] <mattym> if you were charged youl need to submit a form, but speak to your company/bank first
#2671 [21:36] <mattym> kevinw confirmation for what?
#2672 [21:37] <Leif> ok but what is really weird is that when i checked out it gave me an error page but a few seconds later a receipt came up and said that i would get an email to set up my username
#2673 [21:37] <mattym> Leif you almost always get ot that page, the problem happens when the bank/company blocks the payment
#2674 [21:37] <kevinw> not confirmation, the email to set up username
#2675 [21:38] <Leif> ok thank you i'll do that
#2676 [21:38] <mattym> kevinw you never set up the username? you said you did
#2677 [21:38] <kevinw> yeah i have
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#2679 [21:38] <quintin> hey
#2680 [21:38] <mattym> kevinw what is the username?
#2681 [21:38] <quintin> qfc333
#2682 [21:39] <kevinw> sassycat09
#2683 [21:39] <quintin> oh
#2684 [21:39] <mattym> !paid sassycat09
#2685 [21:39] <kevinw> so thats good right
#2686 [21:39] <mattym> So kevinw from the top, what happens when you try to log into the launcher, tell me EXACTLY what it says
#2687 [21:39] <mattym> quintin Whats your issue/problem?
#2688 [21:40] <kevinw> login failed..
#2689 [21:40] <quintin> my email has changed since i created my account and has become unusable
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#2691 [21:40] <kevinw> which means its more than likely my password
#2692 [21:40] <mattym> kevinw are you still able to log into the mojang site
#2693 [21:41] <mattym> quintin When you baught minecraft did you do it via minecraft.net or mojang
#2694 [21:41] <quintin> minecraft.net
#2695 [21:41] <kevinw> yeah
#2696 [21:41] <kevinw> i just logged out and back in fine
#2697 [21:41] <mattym> kevinw Ok this most likely means that your computer is blocking the login
#2698 [21:42] <mattym> happens with a lot of antivirus programs
#2699 [21:42] <mattym> and firewalls
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#2701 [21:42] <mattym> kevinw try turning off your firewall and antivirus, to see if they are blocking it
#2702 [21:42] <mattym> quintin Have you migrated your account yet?
#2703 [21:43] <kevinw> give me a sec
#2704 [21:43] <quintin> not yet
#2705 [21:43] <mattym> ok
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#2707 [21:43] <mattym> no access to that old email quintin?
#2708 [21:43] <quintin> none what so ever
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#2710 [21:43] <quintin> its been out of use for a year
#2711 [21:43] <mattym> and what do you mean by unstable?
#2712 [21:44] <quintin> what do you mean?
#2713 [21:44] <mattym> oh
#2714 [21:44] <mattym> you said unusable
#2715 [21:45] <mattym> so you cant log into your account anymore?
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#2717 [21:45] <quintin> no i can log in
#2718 [21:45] <kevinw> turned off firewall, still not able to connect
#2719 [21:45] <quintin> i know my username and password
#2720 [21:45] <mattym> kevinw what about your antivirus?
#2721 [21:45] <quintin> i just can't migrate because my email doesnt work anymore
#2722 [21:45] <mattym> yeah, thats a tough spot
#2723 [21:45] <quintin> ):
#2724 [21:46] <quintin> should i just deal with it?
#2725 [21:46] <mattym> quintin do you have anything from the origional purchase, like the email, or if you used paypal the old transaction info
#2726 [21:46] <quintin> i know my old email
#2727 [21:46] <mattym> cause if you do there is a way to take care of it
#2728 [21:46] <quintin> the paypal wasn't mine
#2729 [21:47] <mattym> regardles do you have a way of getting the indo
#2730 [21:47] <mattym> info*
#2731 [21:47] <quintin> i only know the email
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#2733 [21:47] <quintin> i wont be able to find whos paypal it was
#2734 [21:48] <crafter79> is it possible to change my username?
#2735 [21:48] <kevinw> everything is off, still no go
#2736 [21:48] <mattym> http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/emails/new you would need to fill this out, saying that your email has changed and you want to migrate, but the only way to prove ownership is with info from the original purchase kev
#2737 [21:48] <mattym> crafter79 No, sorry
#2738 [21:48] <quintin> so ill need the paypal thing?
#2739 [21:48] <mattym> quintin that or the original email
#2740 [21:48] <quintin> oh ok
#2741 [21:48] <quintin> thanks
#2742 [21:49] <mattym> quintin that link ^ i posted has the info that you will need to get
#2743 [21:49] <mattym> kevinw still says Login Failed?
#2744 [21:49] <quintin> ok
#2745 [21:49] <quintin> ok
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#2747 [21:49] <kevinw> yeah
#2748 [21:49] <mattym> kevinw can you try to login and play here http://minecraft.net/play
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#2750 [21:51] <kevinw> now its saying to many faile attempts
#2751 [21:52] <mattym> are you using Internet Explorer?
#2752 [21:54] <kevinw> no..
#2753 [21:54] <kevinw> now i cant even sign into majong
#2754 [21:54] <kevinw> wtf
#2755 [21:54] <mattym> hmm this is a really odd issue you may need to send a support email
#2756 [21:54] <mattym> http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/emails/new
#2757 [21:55] <mattym> all the factors suggest its an account related issue and only mojang can handle that
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#2760 [22:00] <portalwar> I was banned for griefing and I did nothing wrong. How can I play with my friends again?
#2761 [22:00] <mattym> Nothing we can do about that, you need to contact the person that runs that server
#2762 [22:01] <portalwar> I only know the server name. How do I get in touch with them?
#2763 [22:01] <mattym> Do they have a website?
#2764 [22:01] <portalwar> no
#2765 [22:02] <mattym> Then you will just have to wait for the ban to be over
#2766 [22:02] <portalwar> I only know it is craftycraft
#2767 [22:02] <mattym> if someone banned you they probably had a reason
#2768 [22:02] <portalwar> I did nothing
#2769 [22:02] <blah> mattym if i go on safe mode everything works fine but not on the regular mode...
#2770 [22:03] <mattym> blah then you need to allocate more RAM
#2771 [22:03] <portalwar> does this mean I can get back on after awhile
#2772 [22:03] <mattym> what method did you get it working on blah
#2773 [22:03] <mattym> portalwar it depends on how that server is set up, only they know
#2774 [22:04] <blah> i started the server on the batch file and the jar file mattym
#2775 [22:04] <portalwar> ok thanks for trying to help.
#2776 [22:04] <mattym> ok blah can you copy the batch file you are using to a pastbin so i can see it
#2777 [22:05] <blah> do i send you what's in the match file? mattym
#2778 [22:05] <mattym> yeah the text inside
#2779 [22:07] <blah> this is all that's there mattym http://pastebin.com/gnxMf3du
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#2781 [22:08] <mattym> try changing it to this java -Xms1024M -Xmx1024m -jar minecraft_server.jar
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#2783 [22:10] <blah> mattym still doesn't work
#2784 [22:11] <blah> this is what it says
#2785 [22:14] <blah> it's telling me that it still doesn't find the properties file and a bunch of other spam
#2786 [22:15] <blah> it still tells me it can't find the properties file and then it spams: at go.a(SourceFile:38) at go.b(SourceFile:48) at go.a(SourceFile:38) at go.b(SourceFile:48) at go.a(SourceFile:38) at go.b(SourceFile:48) at go.a(SourceFile:38) at go.b(SourceFile:48) at go.a(SourceFile:38) at go.b(SourceFile:48) at go.a(SourceFile:38) at go.b(SourceFi
#2787 [22:16] <blah> mattym
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#2789 [22:18] <tyteen4a03> blah, paste them on pastebin.com
#2790 [22:19] <blah> http://pastebin.com/MSMSgCkG
#2791 [22:20] <blah> tyteen4a03
#2792 [22:21] <mattym> blah if it works on safemode and not on regular startup then something on your computer is preventing it from working properly
#2793 [22:21] <mattym> blah if it works on safemode and not on regular startup then something on your computer is preventing it from working properly
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#2797 [22:29] <blah> mattym ok it's probably something wrong with my computer thank you for everything though
#2798 [22:30] <mattym> probably some other program interfering
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#2804 [22:49] <Neonunderwood> hello
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#2806 [22:49] <Neonunderwood> hello
#2807 [22:50] <Neonunderwood> My computer won't run the program
#2808 [22:50] <mattym> What does it say when you try
#2809 [22:50] <Neonunderwood> On the bottom of my internet the file says its blocked
#2810 [22:51] <Neonunderwood> I did successfully buy it
#2811 [22:51] <mattym> Are you on a Mac?
#2812 [22:51] <Neonunderwood> No a Pc
#2813 [22:51] <Neonunderwood> Windows 7
#2814 [22:51] <Neonunderwood> pro
#2815 [22:51] <mattym> so have you been able to download it?
#2816 [22:51] <Neonunderwood> no
#2817 [22:52] <mattym> http://minecraft.net/download
#2818 [22:52] <mattym> try the one there
#2819 [22:52] <Neonunderwood> tryied and does not work
#2820 [22:52] <mattym> so the thing on that page wont download right?
#2821 [22:52] <mattym> are you using Internet Explorer?
#2822 [22:52] <Neonunderwood> Do you need a certain versian of Javascript
#2823 [22:52] <Neonunderwood> No Google Chrome
#2824 [22:53] <mattym> and goolge chrom wont download that file the minecraft.exe?
#2825 [22:54] <Neonunderwood> No The file says when I put the blocked application on my desktopped it says it cannot run the program because its size is 32 bit while the computer is 64
#2826 [22:54] <mattym> ok, you need to download 64bit java let me get you a link
#2827 [22:55] <Neonunderwood> IOk
#2828 [22:55] <mattym> GO here http://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp and download and install the Windows 64-Bit option
#2829 [22:55] <Neonunderwood> thank you
#2830 [22:56] <mattym> that should make everything work
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#2833 [23:00] <Neonunderwood> hello
#2834 [23:00] <mattym> yes
#2835 [23:01] <Neonunderwood> hello
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#2837 [23:02] <mattym> Neonunderwood no luck with the java update?
#2838 [23:02] <Neonunderwood> a person earlier suggested to run javascript 64 bit but that application is blocked as well
#2839 [23:02] <lembas-nyan> hi AuBot
#2840 [23:02] <lembas-nyan> :(
#2841 [23:02] <Neonunderwood> yes
#2842 [23:02] <mattym> Neonunderwood what do you mean when you say its "blocked"
#2843 [23:02] <mattym> Neonunderwood what do you mean when you say its "blocked"
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#2845 [23:03] <Neonunderwood> I have a computer that when I use Google chrome All downloads are on the botom of my screen.
#2846 [23:03] <mattym> yeah go on
#2847 [23:04] <Neonunderwood> When it is completed it runs but for the first time it says it says application blocked
#2848 [23:04] <Neonunderwood> so It does not download on the computer itself
#2849 [23:05] <Neonunderwood> I dont have Java i have Adobe
#2850 [23:05] <Neonunderwood> If that helps
#2851 [23:05] <mattym> the two have nothing to do with each other
#2852 [23:05] <Neonunderwood> Alright
#2853 [23:05] <mattym> can you locate the file on the computer, not through the browser
#2854 [23:06] <Neonunderwood> no it does not even set foot on the memory
#2855 [23:06] <mattym> how so, when you download it are you selecting save or run
#2856 [23:06] <mattym> make sure you select save
#2857 [23:06] <Neonunderwood> No before it runs its blocked
#2858 [23:06] <mattym> ok
#2859 [23:07] <mattym> thats a setting somewhere in your browser, or your antivirus
#2860 [23:07] <Neonunderwood> I see but it works with other applications
#2861 [23:07] <Neonunderwood> For instance IWBTG
#2862 [23:08] <mattym> well its not working with this one, try to temporarily dissable your antivirus
#2863 [23:08] <Neonunderwood> Even as administrator I cant do anything
#2864 [23:08] <mattym> and see if any google chrome settings are blocking the .exe file type
#2865 [23:08] <Neonunderwood> That is something i cant do
#2866 [23:09] <mattym> Then there is nothing i can do to help you
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#2868 [23:10] <Neonunderwood> There is nothing wrong with the settings
#2869 [23:10] <Neonunderwood> I cant turn off the antivirus settings
#2870 [23:11] <mattym> Neonunderwood there has to be, i just downloaded it fine through my Chrome, there is no issue with the file itself, it has to be something on your computer
#2871 [23:11] * TempUser is now known as lildrummerdrew
#2872 [23:11] <Neonunderwood> I do not know what is wrong maybe try to run it on Internet Explorer
#2873 [23:12] <clarjon1> Neonunderwood: There have been over nine million people who have successfully downloaded and purchased Minecraft.
#2874 [23:12] <clarjon1> Neonunderwood: What you are describing is either a misconfiguration with your Google Chrome, or your Security software settings
#2875 [23:12] <Neonunderwood> Well they are 9 milloin lucky people
#2876 [23:12] <clarjon1> if you are unable to modify your security software, even as administrator
#2877 [23:12] <lildrummerdrew> not lucky, just normal*
#2878 [23:12] <clarjon1> then that is usually a Red Flag that your system may be compromised with malware
#2879 [23:12] <lildrummerdrew> ;)
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#2881 [23:13] <clarjon1> Neonunderwood: If you are unable to control your security software, then it sounds like it's been compromised. Seriously.
#2882 [23:13] * lildrummerdrew is now known as AndieBoo
#2883 [23:13] <Neonunderwood> I can turn off my security but is there away to do without it
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#2885 [23:14] <Neonunderwood> I am still as an administrator
#2886 [23:14] <AndieBoo> um ._.
#2887 [23:14] <AndieBoo> turned off your security? ""*
#2888 [23:14] <AndieBoo> like, no virus protection?
#2889 [23:14] <clarjon1> Neonunderwood: Something on your computer is blocking the download.
#2890 [23:14] <Neonunderwood> The last time it didnt go so well for me
#2891 [23:15] * Guest18432 is now known as SinZ
#2892 [23:15] <clarjon1> You need to figure out what it is that is preventing you from downloading a legitimate game launcher
#2893 [23:15] * clarjon1 shrugs
#2893 [23:15] <AndieBoo> ._. This is when I reccomend trying.. um..
#2894 [23:15] <AndieBoo> TeamViewer, that's the name
#2895 [23:15] <AndieBoo> gosh, been so long.
#2896 [23:15] * Lunatrius is now known as b
#2897 [23:15] <mattym> I dont think that would be much help
#2898 [23:15] * b is now known as i
#2899 [23:15] * i is now known as Lunatrius
#2900 [23:15] * Disori|off is now known as Disori
#2901 [23:16] <AndieBoo> well never know. sometimes it's easier to see then to explain.
#2902 [23:16] <AndieBoo> Meh. That's just how I used to fix things when I worked in here.
#2903 [23:20] <Neonunderwood> Actually I found it is a security setting thank you for your help :)\
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#2905 [23:20] * mattym bangs head on desk
#2905 [23:21] <AndieBoo> XD
#2906 [23:21] * AndieBoo tells AuBot to give mattym a hug
#2906 [23:21] <AndieBoo> Fine, make me do everything
#2907 [23:21] * AndieBoo huges mattym
#2907 [23:22] <AndieBoo> hugs* >.>
#2908 [23:22] * AndieBoo is now known as lildrummerdreww
#2909 [23:22] <mattym> lol
#2910 [23:22] <lildrummerdreww> there, now I can still chat on both irc's with almost the same username.
#2911 [23:22] <mattym> both?
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#2913 [23:25] <mike_> i need help
#2914 [23:25] <mattym> ??> ask
#2915 [23:25] <SinZ> ?? ask
#2916 [23:25] <VoxelHead> ask: Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help with, and be as specific as possible.
#2917 [23:25] <VoxelHead> ask: If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#2918 [23:25] <lildrummerdreww> XD spamming bot
#2919 [23:25] <lildrummerdreww> ha
#2920 [23:26] <mattym> at least i misstyped mine
#2921 [23:26] <lildrummerdreww> True.
#2922 [23:26] <SinZ> bot cant spam, people can spam the bot though
#2923 [23:26] <mike_> some severs dont work for me piz help
#2924 [23:26] <lildrummerdreww> that's what I meant, SinZ
#2925 [23:26] <GreyVulpine> Nothing we can do about it mike_. We can't automagically make servers run
#2926 [23:26] <GreyVulpine> Some servers aren't up 24/7
#2927 [23:26] <lildrummerdreww> mike_ some servers say they're up but they're not, and others are running a different version then you.
#2928 [23:27] <SinZ> Some servers require mods, or run on old minecraft versions
#2929 [23:27] <lildrummerdreww> Check the version and uptime, check for modifications. :3
#2930 [23:27] <lildrummerdreww> ALSO: make sure YOUR version is up to date ;)
#2931 [23:27] <mike_> i just want to play them
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#2934 [23:29] <mattym> SinZ ever figure out your hardware issues?
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#2936 [23:30] <SinZ> mattym: there is some voltage issues on the mobo, but the main problem was cmos settings, and boot config
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#2938 [23:30] <mattym> working now?
#2939 [23:31] <SinZ> yeh
#2940 [23:31] <lildrummerdreww> You know, my laptop
#2941 [23:31] <lildrummerdreww> Has a fingerprint scanner to login.
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#2943 [23:31] <SinZ> sent it to a friend that actually had the tools to do a proper testing
#2944 [23:31] <lildrummerdreww> I feel SO cool.
#2945 [23:31] <lildrummerdreww> Sweet^
#2946 [23:32] <bobstevejohn> hello i need help
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#2948 [23:32] <bobstevejohn> my minecraft wont connect to my ip adress
#2949 [23:32] <mattym> as well it shouldnt
#2950 [23:33] <mattym> are you trying to join a server on your own network?
#2951 [23:33] <bobstevejohn> no it wont let me go to the minecraft home page
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#2953 [23:33] <bobstevejohn> thats what it said it cant connect
#2954 [23:33] <clarjon1> well that's something drastically different :P
#2955 [23:33] <bobstevejohn> yeh :l
#2956 [23:34] <mattym> bobstevejohn what you siad at first, was nothing like what you later described
#2957 [23:34] <bobstevejohn> i know
#2958 [23:34] <bobstevejohn> sorry
#2959 [23:34] <Hammy12Edgar> ok, mojang needs to fix server bandwidth issues
#2960 [23:35] <mattym> Hammy12Edgar Mojang has nothing to do with server bandwiths
#2961 [23:35] <bobstevejohn> this problem is happend for weeks
#2962 [23:35] <mattym> bobstevejohn site seems to be up and working, can you try again
#2963 [23:35] <SinZ> mattym: it IS inefficiant network wise
#2964 [23:35] <mattym> SinZ your pc?
#2965 [23:36] <bobstevejohn> it has worked before but now it doesnt my internet is fine
#2966 [23:36] <SinZ> No, the actual network protocol is sloppy, and uses more bandwidth than needed
#2967 [23:36] <Hammy12Edgar> yes, they do. instead of uploading chunks to players, it needs to be serverside
#2968 [23:36] <bobstevejohn> so do you have any solutions :D
#2969 [23:36] <mattym> Hammy12Edgar it is serverside, but if it didnt upload to players you would be looking at a whole lot of nothing
#2970 [23:36] <GreyVulpine> Serverside? So the players upload their coordinate data to the server, and the server does.. what?
#2971 [23:37] <GreyVulpine> Absolutely nothing at all?
#2972 [23:37] <SinZ> client doesn't need to know most of the chunks though
#2973 [23:37] <mattym> bobstevejohn did you edit your "hosts" file?
#2974 [23:37] <SinZ> only the ones directly visible
#2975 [23:37] <lildrummerdreww> meh, later.
#2976 [23:37] <Hammy12Edgar> exactly
#2977 [23:37] <Hammy12Edgar> exactly
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#2979 [23:37] <SinZ> ie, if you are in a new world, you don't need to have the chunks that contain bedrock
#2980 [23:38] <GreyVulpine> Which will put a bigger increase on server-side calculations, and cause a lot more bandwidth problems
#2981 [23:38] <Hammy12Edgar> server dosent need to upload all chunks to the player
#2982 [23:38] <bobstevejohn> i do not know
#2983 [23:38] <mattym> bobstevejohn do you have another computer that you can try from?
#2984 [23:38] <GreyVulpine> Not only does the server need to calculate each player's viewable range, but dynamically send new terrain data to players for each millimeter they walk?
#2985 [23:38] <bobstevejohn> yah it doesnt work on my labtop
#2986 [23:39] <bobstevejohn> or my desk top
#2987 [23:39] <mattym> then its your internet
#2988 [23:39] <Hammy12Edgar> because back in beta, servers took up 25kbps per player. ever since 1.6, its skyrocketed to 250kbps upload per player
#2989 [23:39] <bobstevejohn> but it works for other websites
#2990 [23:40] <GreyVulpine> back in beta, I remember bandwidth being 50-150Kbps per player.
#2991 [23:40] <GreyVulpine> Hasn't changed that much.
#2992 [23:40] <mattym> bobstevejohn if you click this link http://minecraft.net what do you see
#2993 [23:41] <bobstevejohn> google chrome can not connect to minecraft.net
#2994 [23:41] <Hammy12Edgar> not from what I experienced, I used to host a server for 40 players in early beta, now its down to 15
#2995 [23:42] <GreyVulpine> I used to do extensive bandwidth testing back in alpha and beta. It hasn't changed that much
#2996 [23:42] <mattym> bobstevejohn are you on Windows, if so what version, or Mac?
#2997 [23:42] <bobstevejohn> hello
#2998 [23:42] <bobstevejohn> windows 7
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#3000 [23:43] <bobstevejohn> hello
#3001 [23:43] <Hammy12Edgar> I dont know what the problem is then, shows different results with beta servers and post release servers,
#3002 [23:44] <bobstevejohn> hello mattym
#3003 [23:44] <bobstevejohn> you there
#3004 [23:44] <mattym> bobstevejohn hold on im looking osmething up
#3005 [23:44] <Hammy12Edgar> and then up to 40 people could connect on a 5mbps upload, now just 15
#3006 [23:45] <GreyVulpine> That's never been the case.
#3007 [23:45] <bobstevejohn> ok:+$
#3008 [23:45] <GreyVulpine> Not on a 5 megabit connection
#3009 [23:45] <Hammy12Edgar> worked for me, 35 people with no lag
#3010 [23:46] <GreyVulpine> Then you didn't have a 5 megabit connection
#3011 [23:46] <mattym> bobstevejohn can you navigate to this folder C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc if your main drive is C
#3012 [23:47] <Hammy12Edgar> download speed got upgraded rececently, but the highest they offer where I live is 35mbps/5mbps
#3013 [23:47] <GreyVulpine> Hammy12Edgar - That's nice. Any op here has been here since alpha will tell you the same thing. 5 megabits would not support 40 people, even back in alpiha.
#3014 [23:47] <SinZ> ^
#3015 [23:48] <SinZ> classic could handle it, alpha+ however
#3016 [23:49] <Hammy12Edgar> ok, no need to accuse me of lying, Im just saying what speedtest.com is sayong, my ISP is saying, and what my experience has been
#3017 [23:49] <mattym> ISPs and Speedtest love to lie
#3018 [23:50] <bobstevejohn> now what do i do
#3019 [23:50] <bobstevejohn> now what do i do
#3020 [23:50] <mattym> bobstevejohn do you see a file called hosts
#3021 [23:50] <bobstevejohn> sorry about typing 2
#3022 [23:50] <bobstevejohn> yes
#3023 [23:50] <mattym> open it with a text editor
#3024 [23:51] <mattym> and tell me if you see minecraft anywhere in that file
#3025 [23:51] <bobstevejohn> how do i do that
#3026 [23:51] <mattym> open it and select open with notepad or wordpad
#3027 [23:52] <bobstevejohn> yes
#3028 [23:52] <mattym> is minecraft listed in there?
#3029 [23:52] <bobstevejohn> yes
#3030 [23:52] <Hammy12Edgar> true, but the Idea I was thinking of was chunk caching, where it gets cached locally by players, untill they teleport somewhere or go somewhere new
#3031 [23:52] <mattym> delete that line
#3032 [23:52] <GreyVulpine> Gotta love people who pirate minecraft.
#3033 [23:53] <bobstevejohn> i have both minecraft and www.minecraft.net
#3034 [23:53] <mattym> GreyVulpine not always the case, ive messed with peoples host file just to watch them squirm
#3035 [23:53] <GreyVulpine> Has been the case here more often than not
#3036 [23:53] <bobstevejohn> what?
#3037 [23:53] <mattym> bobstevejohn delete any line with anything about minecraft on it
#3038 [23:54] <mattym> then save the file and try the website again
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#3040 [23:54] <bobstevejohn> how do i save a file
#3041 [23:54] <mattym> GreyVulpine back in college i would redirect them from facebook to the hello kitty home page
#3042 [23:55] <mattym> bobstevejohn select file and then save
#3043 [23:55] <GreyVulpine> Heh
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#3045 [23:55] <Hammy12Edgar> sorry for arguing GreyVulpine, turns out it was 15mbps, but they stopped offering it where I live, without telling me
#3046 [23:55] <mattym> bobstevejohn or click the big disk icon in the upper area
#3047 [23:56] <bobstevejohn> they say im denied
#3048 [23:56] <GreyVulpine> Hammy12Edgar - That sounds a bit better.
#3049 [23:56] <mattym> bobstevejohn did you save the file
#3050 [23:57] <GreyVulpine> mattym - Administrator. run notepad as.
#3051 [23:57] <bobstevejohn> it would not let me save from that screen
#3052 [23:57] <mattym> yeah do what Grey said ^
#3053 [23:57] <Hammy12Edgar> yea, had to check, like to know what Im talking about before I seem stupid( a little late for that though :/ )
#3054 [23:58] <mattym> run notepad as admin, make the changes and then save
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#3056 [23:58] <mattym> Hammy12Edgar Where do you live that they stopped offering the higher speed?
#3057 [23:58] <Hammy12Edgar> Austin, Texas
#3058 [23:58] <mattym> small town?
#3059 [23:59] <mattym> oh nvm
#3060 [23:59] <mattym> thats weird