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#3 [00:02] <MestreLion> thank you guys. but it gets more confusing: I go to the minecraft website, log in, and when I try to play either the game *or even the demo*, it downloads some files to my .minecraft folder, but it never starts the game! not even the demo
#4 [00:03] <GreyVulpine> The demo in the downloadable launcher has issues, are you using the demo from http://www.minecraft.net/demo ?
#5 [00:03] <MestreLion> BUT, if after the web downlods, I try the minecraft.jar again, login still fails, but it now allows me to "Play Offile". What is this "offile"? The same as the demo? What are the limitations of such offline play?
#6 [00:04] <GreyVulpine> Time limited, 5 in-game days I believe
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#8 [00:04] <GreyVulpine> It is not the same as the full game, and you can't play multiplayer.
#9 [00:04] <MestreLion> i've read about this 5-day limit... but I played for way more than 5 days
#10 [00:05] <MestreLion> unless death resets this time
#11 [00:05] <GreyVulpine> Er, let me rephrase that. It is the full game feature-wise, but is time-limited to 5 ingame days. You also can't play more than 5 ingame days
#12 [00:05] <GreyVulpine> That, I don't know.
#13 [00:05] <MestreLion> 5 days is like... 5 x 20 minutes, correct?
#14 [00:06] <GreyVulpine> Yes
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#16 [00:06] <MestreLion> so less than 2 real-world hours
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#18 [00:06] <GreyVulpine> Right
#19 [00:07] <MestreLion> I played like 14 or so hours in the same world. Died a lot, tho, not sure if I managed a 2-hour streak without dieying
#20 [00:07] <MestreLion> so is this demo, full, what?
#21 [00:08] <GreyVulpine> If you haven't paid for minecraft, you're likely playing the demo version
#22 [00:08] <MestreLion> I haven't payed... I wanted to know the game first, and also to test if it works fine in Linux
#23 [00:08] <GreyVulpine> (Unless you somehow got the premium files from another site other than minecraft, but that's a discussion for another day)
#24 [00:09] <MestreLion> game looks great and very addictive, but I'm still not sure if it works under linux
#25 [00:09] <treypinkerton> I need help with server settings anyone good with craftbukkit multiverse stuff like that?
#26 [00:09] <Lord_Ralex> treypinkerton, ask in #bukkit
#27 [00:09] <GreyVulpine> In every regards, that game you're playing right now, is indicative of the performance of the full game (since it basically is)
#28 [00:09] <Lord_Ralex> or #multiverse iirc is the chan for that plugin
#29 [00:09] <MestreLion> nope... all files were downloaded from official minecraft server... and I didn't edit them either
#30 [00:12] <MestreLion> GreyVulpine: ok, but i'm still puzzled by this weird behaviour: .jar launcher cannot download files ("Login Failed")... accessing either http://minecraft.net/play or http://minecraft.net/demo DOES download files to my *local* ~/.minecraft, but it never *starts* the game (blank white screen after download), even demo does not start. BUT, *after* I access web, *then* the .jar IS able to begin an offline play
#31 [00:12] <GreyVulpine> Is how it is.
#32 [00:12] <MestreLion> its puzzling because web can download but not play, and jar cannot download but can play
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#34 [00:13] <GreyVulpine> The demo was never planned to be integrated into the launcher. The launcher existed before the demo mode was conceived.
#35 [00:13] <MestreLion> GreyVulpine: but I can't play neither "full" nor "demo" via web
#36 [00:14] <MestreLion> it downloads files, it says "applet started", but it freezes on a blank white "box" in the browser
#37 [00:14] <GreyVulpine> Can't play full because you didn't pay for the game. The demo giving you a white blank screen is a possible issue though. Care to give us a java error log?
#38 [00:15] <MestreLion> not sure how to access a java log when using the browser
#39 [00:15] <GreyVulpine> Depends on the browser, and your OS. Many browsers have an ability to pull up the java console.
#40 [00:16] <MestreLion> humm, indeed. I'll try so... let me delete the ~/.minecraft folder to get a fresh start
#41 [00:26] <MestreLion> GreyVulpine: http://sprunge.us/IALT?bash
#42 [00:26] <MestreLion> this was the demo... i'll try the full version just to check the difference
#43 [00:27] <GreyVulpine> Don't bother with the full version.
#44 [00:29] <GreyVulpine> Educated guess, not using sun/oracle's java as your java web applet.
#45 [00:30] <GreyVulpine> Oh duh, OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea6 1.12.3)
#46 [00:31] <MestreLion> this is weird... both full and demo download the *same* files, bitwise identical, to my ~/.minefract folder
#47 [00:31] <MestreLion> and their error output is also *identical*
#48 [00:31] <MestreLion> ~/.minecraft I mean
#49 [00:31] * GreyVulpine nods
#49 [00:32] <MestreLion> so this is actually not related to paid/not paid, correct?
#50 [00:32] <GreyVulpine> Correct
#51 [00:33] <MestreLion> about your guess... you think i should use oracle's ?
#52 [00:33] <GreyVulpine> Definitely.
#53 [00:34] <MestreLion> it is a mess to install it in current ubuntu since oracle changed their policy
#54 [00:34] <MestreLion> does it *really* make a difference? OpenJDK is now the reference implementation, according to Oracle
#55 [00:35] <GreyVulpine> Don't know about now, but it did back during my alpha/beta days in Minecraft.
#56 [00:36] <MestreLion> is offline the same as demo? or is there such a thing as "offline paid mode" /
#57 [00:36] <BrickViking> there is
#58 [00:37] <BrickViking> offline is not the same as demo, IF you've managed to log in as a paid member
#59 [00:37] <BrickViking> ... online.
#60 [00:38] <BrickViking> Incidentally, there is a repo you can use for Oracle's java...
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#62 [00:38] <GreyVulpine> How it used to go. Back in alpha/beta. You had a minecraft.net account. If you didn't purchase minecraft with it, you'd get a "User not premium" error upon trying to log in. There was no demo mode. If you entered in your username or Password in wrong, you'd get a Login Failed message.
#63 [00:38] <BrickViking> it provides a package that downloads oracle's installer, and sews it into the system. I'll just look it up.
#64 [00:39] <BrickViking> webupd8team-java, I believe it's called.
#65 [00:39] <BrickViking> sigh. What a shame it's not in my .bash_history
#66 [00:40] <GreyVulpine> After Mojang rolled out their mojang.com account system, there's no "User not premium" error message with mojang accounts. The launcher didn't change much. There was still no demo mode at the beginning of that system, so the launcher either gave a "Login Failed" error message when your username/password was incorrect, or it would also give you a "Login failed" error message if you didn't
#67 [00:40] <GreyVulpine> have minecraft credited to your mojang.com account.
#68 [00:40] <MestreLion> BrickViking: I know webupd8, i usually dislike their "hackish" repos, but I can try that in a sandbox, just to see if Oracle does fix Minecraft
#69 [00:40] <GreyVulpine> You could only "Play offline", after you've logged in once successfully with a premium account, which downloaded the premium files.
#70 [00:41] * MestreLion reading GreyVulpine carefully
#70 [00:41] <GreyVulpine> Now, since the demo mode was released, the launcher was kinda buggy with it. It wouldn't let you download the demo files with the launcher, but it would with the demo link at minecraft.net/demo.
#71 [00:41] <GreyVulpine> Logging in with a non-premium account on your launcher would still give you a "Login Failed" error message, since that account wasn't credited with a premium minecraft account.
#72 [00:42] <GreyVulpine> It's trying to download the premium minecraft files, but there's no minecraft account/profile in the mojang account to tie it to.
#73 [00:43] <MestreLion> hummm
#74 [00:43] <GreyVulpine> So it's really a combination of an outdated launcher (Mojang's got a new launcher in the works), as well as planning a demo version way too late in the development cycle
#75 [00:44] <BrickViking> oh god I hope that launcher will improve things.
#76 [00:44] <BrickViking> ... it's also why I use the skmclauncher.
#77 [00:44] <MestreLion> but the web-page (both "Pplay the Game" and "Play the Demo") are downloading an identical set of files, which enables the launcher to play offline..
#78 [00:44] <GreyVulpine> (There was a beta 1.5 demo release for PCgamer that they had way back when, but that involved a modified launcher that only used demo files).
#79 [00:44] <GreyVulpine> (and was a .exe/windows exclusive)
#80 [00:45] <MestreLion> oh, for the record: i downloaded the minecraft.jar version 1.5, a few days ago...
#81 [00:45] <GreyVulpine> Hmm. Let me do a bit of testing.
#82 [00:46] <MestreLion> so I have no idea if the paid version will work with my setup. I don't even know *which* kind of files it downloaded... I know it allowed me to play offline (using the launcher only, since the web page always crash, including the demo)
#83 [00:46] <GreyVulpine> Were you able to play offline successfully?
#84 [00:46] <MestreLion> and I also know it is not 5-in0game-days restricted
#85 [00:47] <MestreLion> yes, but only when using the website to download files first
#86 [00:47] <GreyVulpine> Then the full version will work
#87 [00:48] <MestreLion> also, I don't know what "successful" means... since I've never played minecraft before, I don't know what this "offline mode" is.. if its full, demo, classic, etc
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#89 [00:48] <MestreLion> i don't even know the differences between offline, full, demo (when playing singleplayer survival, which is all I'm iinterested to for now)
#90 [00:48] <creed> hi
#91 [00:49] <creed> i need help with a refund
#92 [00:49] <GreyVulpine> ??> creed refund
#93 [00:49] <VoxelHead> creed: (refund) This is Mojang's refund policy: http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/359338-mojang-refunds-policy
#94 [00:49] <creed> my card was used without permission
#95 [00:50] <creed> please help
#96 [00:50] <GreyVulpine> ??> creed refund
#97 [00:50] <VoxelHead> creed: (refund) This is Mojang's refund policy: http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/359338-mojang-refunds-policy
#98 [00:50] <GreyVulpine> MestreLion - So, how it's supposed to go. Minecraft has no DRM. You can install minecraft on any computer, once you paid for minecraft. If you didn't have a premium minecraft account, the launcher would give you an error message, and not download the minecraft files for you. The "Play offline" mode button would be greyed out.
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#100 [00:51] <MestreLion> so far, ok.. that's what happned
#101 [00:51] <GreyVulpine> Once you did log in successfully with a premium minecraft account, the launcher would download the game files for you on your computer. Since this required an internet connection to verify the account upon first launch, it kinda posed a problem for anybody that didn't have a 'net connection.
#102 [00:51] <MestreLion> (I wish the error message was "user not premium" instead of the cryptic "login failed", since I *did* registered at mojang prior to downloading the minecraft.jar
#103 [00:52] <GreyVulpine> MestreLion - I blame mojang's new account system, plus the outdated launcher for that
#104 [00:52] <GreyVulpine> Say the Minecraft authentication server went down, the launcher couldn't verify the account as premium (which happened quite frequently in alpha/beta)
#105 [00:52] <BrickViking> even happens occasionally now.
#106 [00:52] <GreyVulpine> Or you didn't have an internet connection because of your ISP, or network situation
#107 [00:52] <MestreLion> ok
#108 [00:52] <MestreLion> go on
#109 [00:53] <GreyVulpine> The launcher would try to verify your account, fail, then give you an option to "Play offline"
#110 [00:53] <GreyVulpine> since you already logged in once already, the game files were already on your account, and you would be able to play minecraft, without mojang authenticating you again
#111 [00:53] <GreyVulpine> That's all "Play offline" means.
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#113 [00:54] <GreyVulpine> You have the game files, the launcher isn't able to connect or confirm your premium status, so you still have the ability to play minecraft (which meant it was really easy to share minecraft files, both legally and illegally)
#114 [00:54] <MestreLion> and, when playing single player, survival, is there any diffrence between this offline and the "online" play (which, as you say, looks like just an authentication thing) ?
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#116 [00:55] <GreyVulpine> Offline just means you have the game files, but the launcher isn't able to confirm your account. It'll still let you play minecraft. Regardless of playing online or playing offline, single player is the same.
#117 [00:57] <MestreLion> offline also has NPC villages, dungeons, strongholds and etc (I've read about such features when googling for the differences, not sure if they are true and/or outdated info)
#118 [00:57] <MestreLion> ?
#119 [00:57] <GreyVulpine> Both offline and online play has all the features.
#120 [00:57] <GreyVulpine> Again, all offline mode means, is that your launcher wasn't able to connect to minecraft's servers to authenticate your account successfully.
#121 [00:57] <MestreLion> so I wasn't supposed to have such files and able to play offline?
#122 [00:58] <MestreLion> man, if so, there is a *serious* bug in minecraft webserver
#123 [00:58] <GreyVulpine> Back before the demo rolled out, I would've vehemently said yes, and booted you from the channel.
#124 [00:58] <GreyVulpine> Since the only way to get the game files was to log in successfully with a premium account.
#125 [00:59] <MestreLion> accessing the official server is "giving" me the files
#126 [00:59] <MestreLion> I'm completely new to minecraft, that's why I'm so puzzled
#127 [00:59] <GreyVulpine> But now with the demo mode, and how mojang went about providing the files, and how craptastic the launcher was, I don't really fully understand how it all works. I've had a premium minecraft account since alpha.
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#129 [01:00] <MestreLion> this is what I did, from the beginning:
#130 [01:00] <GreyVulpine> You don't need to tell me, I already know
#131 [01:01] <MestreLion> oh, sorry
#132 [01:01] <GreyVulpine> You got the demo files from the website, I'm trying to really determine if the demo files are the same as the premium. Need md5 checksum/bitwise comparison.
#133 [01:01] <GreyVulpine> if they are, then mojang screwed up
#134 [01:02] <MestreLion> well, both downloads the same set of files, bitwise identical
#135 [01:02] <GreyVulpine> But you don't have a premium account..
#136 [01:02] <MestreLion> nope
#137 [01:02] <MestreLion> only a "regular" one
#138 [01:02] <GreyVulpine> So you can't be sure that your 'premium' files are actually premium
#139 [01:02] <MestreLion> I'm not even sure what "premium" files *would* be :P
#140 [01:03] <MestreLion> any tests you suggest?
#141 [01:03] <GreyVulpine> Premium just means you paid for minecraft.
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#143 [01:03] <GreyVulpine> It's a full, feature-complete, time unlocked version of minecraft
#144 [01:03] <MestreLion> to know what beast ended up being downloaded?
#145 [01:04] <MestreLion> ok, but for a new guy that never played before, I have no idea what would be feature-*complete* :P
#146 [01:04] <GreyVulpine> The demo is supposed to be a feature complete, but time-locked to 5 in-game days. In every regards, the demo is supposed to be fully indicative of how minecraft would run on the computer, should the user choose to purchase minecraft
#147 [01:04] <MestreLion> I don't know if any feature is missing from whatever files the website downloaded
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#149 [01:05] <GreyVulpine> Will try to find that out now.
#150 [01:05] <BrickViking> there is the binary file ~/.minecraft/lastlogin
#151 [01:05] <MestreLion> nope BrickViking
#152 [01:05] <MestreLion> and there is a Java Exception when I start the launcher
#153 [01:05] <MestreLion> about that missing file
#154 [01:05] <MestreLion> there is also a *very* weird "asdf" output too (maybe leftover from a programmer testing stuff and typing "asdfasdfasf" ?
#155 [01:06] <GreyVulpine> That always happens upon a first run. It'll generate that f
#156 [01:06] <BrickViking> yeah, I'm seeing that too. Don't worry about it.
#157 [01:06] <MestreLion> GreyVulpine: the java exceptions happens on *every* run
#158 [01:06] <BrickViking> the lastlogin file presumably contains information about what premium username last successfully logged in
#159 [01:07] <BrickViking> that's "presumably"
#160 [01:07] <MestreLion> i'm not premium, so no such file... altough it's pretty bizzare that it triggers a non-handled java exception
#161 [01:07] <cestislife> Why would you presume.
#162 [01:08] <BrickViking> I presume because I have not yet discovered what the truth of my assertion is.
#163 [01:08] <BrickViking> ... therefore, I have no other option
#164 [01:08] <MestreLion> for each such errors, I always thought it would be some java incompatibility with linux and minecraft
#165 [01:09] <GreyVulpine> I'm pretty sure it's because of icedtea and minecraft. I've had people with issues with that in the past.
#166 [01:09] <MestreLion> the blank screen in the website, java exceptions when using the launcher... all of them made me pretty insecure about compatibility with my linux
#167 [01:11] <GreyVulpine> Hmm. Fresh install of a .minecraft folder using a premium account, 7.48 megs, shows "Minecraft 1.5" in the lower left corner of the main minecraft screen
#168 [01:11] <MestreLion> when I *was* able to play the game, downloading via website (which ended up with blank screen) and then using launcher to play offline (quite bizzarre way to play a demo), I was not certain of *what* I was playing, what limitations it might had (feature-wise, or some other limitation), and how it would behave if I paid
#169 [01:12] <GreyVulpine> Fresh install of a .minecraft folder using a demo/non-premium account, 14.9 (??) megs, shows "Minecraft 1.5 Demo" in the lower left corner of the main minecraft screen
#170 [01:12] <BrickViking> hm. does that include all relevant resources?
#171 [01:12] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#172 [01:12] <GreyVulpine> Entire .minecraft folder.
#173 [01:12] <MestreLion> GreyVulpine: you on linux too?
#174 [01:12] <BrickViking> what about the initial fresh install?
#175 [01:12] <GreyVulpine> Windows.
#176 [01:12] <GreyVulpine> I'm clearing .minecraft and redownloading it fresh.
#177 [01:13] <GreyVulpine> .minecraft uses the same files across OSs. Beauty of java.
#178 [01:13] <MestreLion> not really GreyVulpine
#179 [01:14] <BrickViking> the only differences are in .minecraft/bin/natives/*
#180 [01:14] <GreyVulpine> Oh, hmm, didn't download all the resource files with premium
#181 [01:14] <MestreLion> i doubt the windows version will have a "native" folder with a bunch of .so files
#182 [01:14] <BrickViking> for Linux, it's *.so, Windows is *.dll
#183 [01:14] <BrickViking> no idea what Mac OS X has
#184 [01:14] <GreyVulpine> Ah, my mistake.
#185 [01:15] <BrickViking> In addition, I personally upgrade my version of lwjgl to 2.85
#186 [01:15] <MestreLion> ok, can you compare all fresh ~/.minecraft files *without* the bin/native folder?
#187 [01:15] <GreyVulpine> That's what I'm trying to do now
#188 [01:15] <BrickViking> hm. I no longer have a non-premium account.
#189 [01:16] <BrickViking> ... since I bought the game oh so long ago... (Aug '11)
#190 [01:16] <GreyVulpine> MestreLion - When you play offline, what version does it say minecraft is running in the lower left corner?
#191 [01:16] <GreyVulpine> Right at the Single player/multiplayer/options menu
#192 [01:16] <MestreLion> oh, by the way.. when I download via the website, it only downloads ./bin and ./bin/native... no other folders... but when I start launcher and select offile, it downloads a *whole* bunch of other folders, like resources., saves, stats, etc
#193 [01:17] <BrickViking> yup.
#194 [01:17] <MestreLion> minecraft 1.5
#195 [01:17] <GreyVulpine> Then you're running the full minecraft 1.5 in offline mode
#196 [01:17] <GreyVulpine> I'm seeing "Minecraft 1.5 Demo" in my demo run
#197 [01:18] <MestreLion> how come?
#198 [01:18] <GreyVulpine> I have no idea.
#199 [01:18] <MestreLion> well, try the initial download via website instead of launcher
#200 [01:18] <GreyVulpine> That's how I'm doing it.
#201 [01:18] <MestreLion> then open launcher
#202 [01:19] <MestreLion> hum
#203 [01:19] <MestreLion> impossible, unless linux and windows behave diffrently
#204 [01:19] <GreyVulpine> minecraft.jar is identical in either respects with an md5 comparison.
#205 [01:20] <MestreLion> which minecraft.jar? the launcher or the one inside /bin ?
#206 [01:20] <GreyVulpine> inside /bin
#207 [01:20] <MestreLion> identical when comparing the one downloaded via premium account and non-premium account?
#208 [01:20] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#209 [01:21] <GreyVulpine> Interesting. I'm getting just "MInecraft 1.5" with the downloaded launcher, with files downloaded from a non-premium account
#210 [01:21] <MestreLion> and you're always downloaing via website?
#211 [01:21] <GreyVulpine> Yes
#212 [01:22] <GreyVulpine> Well that's stupid, Mojang.
#213 [01:22] <MestreLion> so, how were you able to get a "Minecraft 1.5 Demo" ?
#214 [01:24] <MestreLion> because no matter if I go to http://minecraft.net/play (supposely the full) or http://minecraft.net/demo , the same set of files are downloaded
#215 [01:24] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, looks like the files are the same to me.
#216 [01:24] <GreyVulpine> minecraft.jar is md5 identical
#217 [01:24] <MestreLion> and when using launcher afterwards, it get the offiline says "Minecraft 1.5"
#218 [01:24] <GreyVulpine> http://i.imgur.com/r3NJarf
#219 [01:24] <BrickViking> check if there's a lastlogin file
#220 [01:25] <GreyVulpine> What i get when I log into a non-premium account at www.minecraft.net/demo
#221 [01:25] <MestreLion> (not only minecraft.jar, the whole ~/.minecraft folder is identical for me)
#222 [01:25] <GreyVulpine> Really, the only file that matters is minecraft.jar
#223 [01:25] <MestreLion> ohhh, yes, I forgot the website *works* in windows :P
#224 [01:26] <GreyVulpine> minecraft.jar holds basically everything that is minecraft, bar the sound/music files from /resource
#225 [01:26] <MestreLion> GreyVulpine: what happens when you log with a non-premium account and go to http://minecraft.net/play ?
#226 [01:26] <GreyVulpine> I get directed to /demo
#227 [01:27] <MestreLion> I don't
#228 [01:27] * GreyVulpine sighs
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#229 [01:28] <MestreLion> question: does the URL gets redirected too?
#230 [01:28] <MestreLion> or just the applet content?
#231 [01:28] <GreyVulpine> No
#232 [01:28] <GreyVulpine> Just the content
#233 [01:29] <westlybbert> I tried to update the program but now it is stuck showing it is done updating.
#234 [01:29] * Disori is now known as x
#235 [01:29] <GreyVulpine> ??> westlybbert forceupdate
#236 [01:29] <VoxelHead> westlybbert: (forceupdate) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#237 [01:29] <VoxelHead> westlybbert: (forceupdate) To do so, start Minecraft, press 'Options' (above the 'Login' button), Press 'Force update!', then press 'Done', and login to Minecraft. See http://i.imgur.com/5b09B.png for visual instructions.
#238 [01:29] <MestreLion> so url stays the same, the downloaded files are identical... *when* does the difference kicks in??
#239 [01:30] <GreyVulpine> That's a very good question. I have no idea. I assume it has to do with the web applet and a non-premium account
#240 [01:30] <MestreLion> because it looks like it *doesn't* kicks in when using the launcher+offline
#241 [01:30] <GreyVulpine> Since the same files, on my end, give me the full unlocked "Minecraft 1.5" version with the downloadable launcher
#242 [01:31] <westlybbert> if I wanted to use an earlier vorsion for an non-updated server, how could I do that?
#243 [01:31] <GreyVulpine> westlybbert - What version would you like?
#244 [01:31] <MestreLion> GreyVulpine: on my end it also looks it is the full unlocked
#245 [01:31] <westlybbert> 1.4.7
#246 [01:31] <GreyVulpine> ??> westlybbert downgrade/1.4.7
#247 [01:31] <VoxelHead> westlybbert: (downgrade/1.4.7) To downgrade minecraft to version 1.4.7, first download this file: http://assets.minecraft.net/1_4_7/minecraft.jar
#248 [01:31] <VoxelHead> westlybbert: (downgrade/1.4.7) Once you have downloaded it, move it to the bin folder and overwrite the existing file there. (To find the bin folder, see win/.minecraft, mac/.minecraft, or linux/.minecraft)
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#250 [01:32] <MestreLion> but I didn't pay for it, and I didn't access any site besides the official one.. so where is the bug?
#251 [01:32] <GreyVulpine> MestreLion - Yeah, seems that way, doesn't it. Somehow, I'm not surprised at this from Mojang.
#252 [01:32] <GreyVulpine> The bug is that, you're only supposed to really play the demo from minecraft.net/demo. Mojang tried to make the demo work in the launcher, but failed to, so they did so with the website.
#253 [01:32] <MestreLion> and I say it "seems" because I don't know how to tell the version apart, game-wise...
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#256 [01:33] <GreyVulpine> Only way you can, is that in the demo version, I can only play one world with "Play Demo World"
#257 [01:33] <GreyVulpine> And that it says "Minecraft 1.5 Demo" in the version number
#258 [01:34] <MestreLion> i don't remember the options I had, I only created a single world so far (really noobie here :)... let me try again
#259 [01:34] <GreyVulpine> The full version/offline version, you have the "Play Single Player" and "Play Multiplayer" options.
#260 [01:34] <GreyVulpine> My Demo version, only has "Play Demo World" and "Reset Demo world"
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#262 [01:36] <MestreLion> I have both options, and single player I can choose mode: creative, hard, survival
#263 [01:36] <MestreLion> multiplayes says "scanning local network for servers"
#264 [01:36] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, then you have the full version of minecraft
#265 [01:37] <MestreLion> not quite... i'm unable to play multiplayer
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#267 [01:37] <GreyVulpine> You can't play multiplayer, since you don't have a premium account
#268 [01:37] <MestreLion> only in my LAN, I guess
#269 [01:39] <MestreLion> so its full for single player, and limited to LAN for multiplayer... and that's not how a non-premium account was supposed to be, correct?
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#271 [01:39] <GreyVulpine> Definitely not how a non-premium account is supposed to be. The demo's supposed to look like: http://i.imgur.com/r3NJarf
#272 [01:40] <MestreLion> yes, I've seen it when you posted earlier.. and no, that's not the way mine looks
#273 [01:40] <GreyVulpine> What you've got right now, is the full, time-unlocked, offline-mode version of minecraft running in your launcher (which is definitely a bug)
#274 [01:41] <GreyVulpine> With minecraft's multiplayer, there is no central polling server. A fresh install of minecraft will list no MP servers in its list. It'll poll for any local servers in the LAN, but will not populate any servers from the internet.
#275 [01:41] <MestreLion> thanks... that solves a big part of the mistery
#276 [01:41] <MestreLion> wait... there is no "mojang multiplayer server" ?
#277 [01:41] <GreyVulpine> Er, elaborate?
#278 [01:42] <BrickViking> no, there isn't... yet.
#279 [01:42] <BrickViking> skins are centralised. As are sessions, accounts, and website.
#280 [01:42] <MestreLion> if I had a premium account, multiplayer would also only look for local-network servers?
#281 [01:42] <BrickViking> but minecraft servers are totally decentralised.
#282 [01:42] <GreyVulpine> No
#283 [01:43] <BrickViking> MestreLion: you have any <Add/create/connect" buttons?
#284 [01:43] <MestreLion> let me see
#285 [01:43] <BrickViking> in the "Multiplayer Servers" screen?
#286 [01:43] <GreyVulpine> There are tons of multiplayer servers out on the internet. They just don't report to a central mojang server. There's no central mojang server to poll minecraft servers to (like half-life's). To find minecraft mp servers, you need to go to fan-made/community-maintained listings of servers
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#288 [01:43] <GreyVulpine> You also need to add them manually, yourself.
#289 [01:44] <MestreLion> I have: Join server (greyed out), Direct Connect and Add server
#290 [01:44] <BrickViking> for example, one minecraft server I'm on is: Cubic Worlds ... I won't advertise it here any way else.
#291 [01:44] <BrickViking> ahh. So you do indeed have the complete version. Sigh.
#292 [01:44] <MestreLion> but "Join Server" is greyed out
#293 [01:44] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, any internet server you want to join, you would need to either "add server" to add it to the list, or "Direct connect", which directly connects you to that server without adding it to your server list
#294 [01:45] <MestreLion> oh
#295 [01:45] <GreyVulpine> The join server is grey out because you haven't selected a multiplayer server to connect to.
#296 [01:45] <MestreLion> so Minecraft is not like, say, Starcraft? Where all games are hosted by the publisher?
#297 [01:45] <GreyVulpine> Right
#298 [01:45] <GreyVulpine> All servers are hosted independently
#299 [01:45] <westlybbert> I do not see any bin folder
#300 [01:45] <GreyVulpine> Mojang hosts no official minecraft servers for play
#301 [01:46] <GreyVulpine> westlybbert - What operating system are you on?
#302 [01:46] <MestreLion> really? the game developer/publisher/whatever company does not host *any* game server at all? OF its own game???
#303 [01:46] <GreyVulpine> Really.
#304 [01:46] <MestreLion> lol
#305 [01:46] <GreyVulpine> You can check out fan-made listings of servers by accessing one of these many sites:
#306 [01:47] <GreyVulpine> ??> MestreLion smp/servers
#307 [01:47] <VoxelHead> MestreLion: (smp/servers) There currently is no master list of all SMP servers. Fan-made indexes include http://minestatus.net/ - http://www.mcserverlist.net/ - http://www.reddit.com/r/mcservers - http://minecraftservers.net/ - http://minecraft.dk/mcserverlist/
#308 [01:47] <VoxelHead> MestreLion: (smp/servers) You can also find a list at the MC forums at http://www.minecraftforum.net/forum/31-servers/ . Also, try the #smp channel.
#309 [01:47] <GreyVulpine> And that's just a small sampling of fan-made indices of servers
#310 [01:47] <MestreLion> smp = ... single.. multi.. player?
#311 [01:47] <westlybbert> windows. I see the following:(LZMA)(METTA-INF)(net)and(mojang.com...)
#312 [01:47] <GreyVulpine> survial multiplayer
#313 [01:47] <MestreLion> oh
#314 [01:47] <GreyVulpine> Sorry, force of habit
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#316 [01:48] <MestreLion> npp, and I apologize for asking so many question,,, I downloaded the game 3 days ago... spent like *hours* to be able to run it (I thought I had to configure all kinds of bizarre stuff to make it work on linux,),
#317 [01:48] <GreyVulpine> Way way back in alpha/beta, there were two types of play. The classic minecraft, which is just creative. You had all the blocks, and a limited game world size. And the new fancy alpha minecraft, which was survival. To differentiate between the two, classic and creative were used the same, and alpha/survivial.
#318 [01:49] <MestreLion> and then when I was able to play offline, I took a spin... which ended in 14+ *straight* hours... really addictive game
#319 [01:49] <GreyVulpine> But now that creative mode is also in premium, it's a legacy terminology.
#320 [01:49] <MestreLion> then after (some) sleep, i went to some tutorials and wikis to learn a bit more about it... and ended up here
#321 [01:49] <GreyVulpine> Hey, it's what we're here for.
#322 [01:50] <GreyVulpine> westlybbert - What version of windows?
#323 [01:50] <BrickViking> as for me, I bought the Humble Bundle 4, it came (unknown to me) with free time on Minecraft. Three weeks of it. So, I created a login, and started playing. Three days later, I bought the game outright.
#324 [01:51] <MestreLion> ok, now that we were able to determinate about the full/demo mistery, what about online/offline? are there any diffrerences?
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#326 [01:51] <BrickViking> three days of solid playing convinced me it was far better than Cafe World (which I havent been back to since)
#327 [01:51] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, I remember that... We had a flood of people demanding an answer as to why their account could no longer play minecraft after the trial ended
#328 [01:51] * GreyVulpine facepalms
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#329 [01:51] <BrickViking> ha.
#330 [01:51] <MestreLion> BrickViking: wait... I bought HB too! I don't remember any minecraft-related game on it
#331 [01:52] * ^_^ is now known as x
#332 [01:52] <BrickViking> err, HIB4, it did.
#333 [01:52] <cestisaway> MestreLion: There is no difference between Online and Offline play. It's just that with Online play, you can connect to multiplayer servers.
#334 [01:52] <BrickViking> back in Aug 2011
#335 [01:52] <GreyVulpine> One of the humble bundles, you got minecraft as a trial.
#336 [01:52] <MestreLion> which one? maybe that's how I'm able to play now the fullversion
#337 [01:52] <BrickViking> to think. If I hadn't bought that bundle, I wouldn't have ever bought minecraft. Or not for a jolly long time.
#338 [01:52] <BrickViking> MestreLion: HIB4, in my case.
#339 [01:52] <GreyVulpine> westlybbert - What version of windows are you on?
#340 [01:53] <BrickViking> ... or whichever one had the free minecraft, back in late july or early aug 2011
#341 [01:53] <MestreLion> that would explain how I ended up with the full
#342 [01:53] * BrickViking shrugs.
#342 [01:53] <BrickViking> only if you bought it back in 2011
#343 [01:53] <GreyVulpine> Nah, I doubt it, MestreLion
#344 [01:54] <MestreLion> nope, I missed it by 1 HB
#345 [01:54] <BrickViking> I've bought quite a few of the HIBs
#346 [01:54] <MestreLion> I only started buying HB from HBV
#347 [01:54] <BrickViking> mmm.
#348 [01:54] <MestreLion> bought them *all* so far, including the Android ones
#349 [01:54] <BrickViking> not me...
#350 [01:54] <MestreLion> good games for linux for 10 bucks? its golden! :D
#351 [01:54] <BrickViking> and now we've got money to pay back, I won't be buying games for a while.
#352 [01:55] <GreyVulpine> Still there westlybbert?
#353 [01:55] * GreyVulpine prods westlybbert
#353 [01:56] <MestreLion> I was *SO* happy when they included World of Goo in the "bonus" pack of HB6 ... i was devastated when I read it was included in HB1 or 2, and I had missed it
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#356 [01:56] <MestreLion> anyway, i'm getting offtopic, sorry
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#358 [01:56] <BrickViking> I'm grateful that some earlier HIB games were thrown back into later HIB packs.
#359 [01:56] <BrickViking> I now have 95% of the games, due to other purchases on steam.
#360 [01:56] <GreyVulpine> That's what turned me away from later HIB packs. I didn't need that game again for the nth time
#361 [01:57] <MestreLion> GreyVulpine: so far the only "duplicated" game was Crayon Phisics
#362 [01:57] <MestreLion> I mean, when bought siince HB5-6-7 and HB-Android 3-4-5
#363 [01:58] <BrickViking> HIB4 included HIB3 if you paid more than the going rate, I believe.
#364 [01:58] <BrickViking> I'm not totally sure.
#365 [01:58] <BrickViking> 's been a while.
#366 [01:59] <MestreLion> each HIB includes a few more games after a few days, but not exactly the ones in the previous (or any previous) HB
#367 [02:00] <MestreLion> I've always paid 12 bucks, which is about twice the average, so always elegible for the bonus games
#368 [02:00] <GreyVulpine> Gish was in HB1, then voxaltron. Braid was in hib2, hib5. Super meat boy was in hib 4 and 5..
#369 [02:00] <BrickViking> I've usually paid between $8 and $10
#370 [02:00] <MestreLion> and it's still a stealing bargain from the Linux point of view
#371 [02:00] <BrickViking> mmmm.
#372 [02:00] <BrickViking> They're usually great games.
#373 [02:00] <GreyVulpine> cogs was in android 2, android 4, and hib3.
#374 [02:00] <MestreLion> and good games are not so common in lInux, hence my bigger support...
#375 [02:01] <MestreLion> hope it helps showing producers that linux is a viable market
#376 [02:01] <GreyVulpine> Just kept seeing the same games pop up in later HIBs.
#377 [02:01] <MestreLion> (hey, Mojang, got the message? Give us at least a .deb installer... a plain .jar is NOT a decent way)
#378 [02:02] <westlybbert> I have tried to delete my previous program and redownload it but it still shows the same files.
#379 [02:02] <GreyVulpine> westlybbert - There you are, what version of windows are you on?
#380 [02:02] <westlybbert> windows vista
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#382 [02:03] <GreyVulpine> Okay then. Go download http://assets.minecraft.net/1_4_7/minecraft.jar to your desktop. Go to your start menu, in the search bar, type in: %appdata% and press enter. Find the .minecraft folder. Go inside. Find the bin folder. Drag the minecraft.jar from your desktop to it, overwriting the old minecraft.jar file
#383 [02:04] <MestreLion> GreyVulpine: so I guess I simply started buying HIB when the dupes started to RE-appear, hence I wasn't affected by it.... btw, I'm glad WoG and Braid were back, I'm really fond of them... Cogs is also great, and I only got them once (Android 4)
#384 [02:04] <GreyVulpine> Then go launch and log into minecraft.
#385 [02:04] <GreyVulpine> I liked world of goo. Not a real fan of braid, and cogs was okay, but I'm not much for puzzlers.
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#388 [02:05] <GreyVulpine> I'll give the exception for space chem though, that was fun.
#389 [02:05] <westlybbert> the mincraft folder does not show up.
#390 [02:05] <MestreLion> the best puzzled so far, and by far, was SpaceChem... that one is *really* awesome, once you get the hang of it
#391 [02:05] <GreyVulpine> westlybbert - Look for ".minecraft", with a period at the beginning
#392 [02:05] <MestreLion> but I'm a programmer, maybe its a niche
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#394 [02:05] * GreyVulpine is the same way
#394 [02:06] <westlybbert> in the search engin?
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#396 [02:06] <GreyVulpine> westlybbert - No. Go to your start menu, put in: %appdata% and press enter
#397 [02:06] <GreyVulpine> Then look for the folder labeled ".minecraft". You may need to go into a roaming folder
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#399 [02:07] <westlybbert> ooww, I see now. thank you.
#400 [02:07] <GreyVulpine> Now drag the minecraft.jar file you downloaded, to the .minecraft/bin folder
#401 [02:07] <BrickViking> yup.
#402 [02:07] <MestreLion> so, back to minecraft... due to a bug in launcher/website, I ended up with a full version, correct? and the only limitation I have is the hassle of clicking login, wait for it to fail, and click offline, Other than that, any other difference?
#403 [02:07] <BrickViking> ... and overwrite the original minecraft.jar file there.
#404 [02:08] <GreyVulpine> MestreLion - No other difference
#405 [02:08] <BrickViking> MestreLion: so, if you have the chance, do buy it.
#406 [02:08] <semtex> Anyone know how to take a screenshot of Minecraft running on a Raspberry Pi? Using GIMP directly on the R-Pi or other tools via VNC/RDP do not work. In all instances the Minecraft window is blank. Thanks
#407 [02:08] <GreyVulpine> MestreLion - For your purposes, you got the full version of minecraft to play in offline mode, with no time limitation
#408 [02:08] <BrickViking> but otherwise, at least offline will allow you to test it out
#409 [02:08] <MestreLion> when I googled, I read stuff about NPC villages, abandoned mines / tows / something (strongholds? dungeons?) or The End, Neather, etc, that are only in the full (or online)
#410 [02:09] <GreyVulpine> That will be in your current version, MestreLion.
#411 [02:09] <MestreLion> but after my 14+ hours of exploring, I didn't find any NPC
#412 [02:09] <BrickViking> heh. You'll eventually find it.
#413 [02:09] <MestreLion> or any abandoned mine or anything that looked man-made
#414 [02:09] <GreyVulpine> Got really unlucky then. Worlds are randomly generated
#415 [02:09] <BrickViking> mines are between about 50 and 10
#416 [02:10] <BrickViking> NPC villages are ... rare, but not completely absent.
#417 [02:10] <GreyVulpine> Try generating a new world with cheats enabled, switch yourself to creative mode (/gamemode 1 in chat) and double tap space to fly around.
#418 [02:10] <BrickViking> I'm on a server whereby the longest rail journey is over 9,000 blocks of distance...
#419 [02:10] <GreyVulpine> You'll see an NPC village, somewhere.
#420 [02:10] <BrickViking> just to give you an idea of distances you expect to cover
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#423 [02:11] <Lord_Ralex> deserts and plains are best places to look
#424 [02:11] <MestreLion> to be honest.. there *was* a weird "monument" on top of a sand hill... kinda like a 4-way "archway" made of sand block, about 5 x 5 x 5, with a water "cross" on the ground
#425 [02:11] <BrickViking> ahh, yup.
#426 [02:11] <Lord_Ralex> easy to see and are quite more common to see there than in other places
#427 [02:11] <BrickViking> nearby may have been a desert temple.
#428 [02:11] <MestreLion> but apart from that, nothing else seemed man-made
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#430 [02:12] <westlybbert> thank you, it worked.
#431 [02:12] * BrickViking hugs his launcher-front-end
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#432 [02:12] <MestreLion> wow, 9000 blocks??
#433 [02:12] <niandawa> Hi, after upgrading to 1.5 I have had several crashes when trying to return from the Nether. Anyone else had this problem?
#434 [02:13] <BrickViking> MestreLion: I found I was good at organising underground rail between destinations.
#435 [02:13] <GreyVulpine> Happen to have a crash report you can share with us via www.pastebin.com?
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#437 [02:13] <MestreLion> I mean.. I spawned in what looks like an island. It is HUGE, for my perspective, but it looks "coverable" in a full day walk around in straight line (if I don't get killed by those damn skelektons
#438 [02:14] <niandawa> I have crash report and am running unmodded MC, will try to upload on pastebin
#439 [02:14] <MestreLion> so I assumed my "world" was like... around 1000x1000 blocks, in a ballpark guess
#440 [02:15] <niandawa> http://pastebin.com/download.php?i=0LsEQXsz
#441 [02:15] <MestreLion> so you guys say that there may be other... islands like mine?
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#443 [02:16] <cestislife> MestreLion: It is possible yes.
#444 [02:16] <cestislife> And the whole world is more than just 1k x 1k blocks.
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#447 [02:16] <MestreLion> or maybe what it looks like an island is actually a peninsula or a larger continent I haven't fully explored yet ?
#448 [02:17] <cestislife> Again, it is possible.
#449 [02:17] <cestislife> All world generation is random.
#450 [02:17] <MestreLion> OF a larger continent i mean
#451 [02:17] <Cake> Exuse me but i am getting this error when trying to buy minecraft error "Return to merchant and try a different payment method" any tips?
#452 [02:17] <cestislife> If it's attached to another land mass, it is likely.
#453 [02:17] <Lord_Ralex> Cake, what method are you using now?
#454 [02:17] <Lord_Ralex> and have you tried another?
#455 [02:17] <Cake> Pay Pal
#456 [02:17] <Cake> no
#457 [02:18] <MestreLion> I'll try to circunvent over the perimeter to see if its really an island.. IF I can survive long enough to:P
#458 [02:18] <Lord_Ralex> Cake, try another method then if you can
#459 [02:18] <Cake> ok
#460 [02:18] <MestreLion> btw... BrickViking , GreyVulpine , and everyone ese, thanks a lot for all your support
#461 [02:18] * GreyVulpine tips hat at MestreLion.
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#462 [02:19] <MestreLion> looks like all the errors and strange things that I was experiencing are simply bugs on mojang's side... thats a relief
#463 [02:20] <MestreLion> I'll buy the game anyway... I bet this bug won't be there for too long, and it seems like a really fun and addicting game worth having (and supporting)
#464 [02:21] <MestreLion> I just wish they give a lil bit more attention to the Linux side of it... make a proper installer instead of tossing a .jar with no instruction at all
#465 [02:21] <Lord_Ralex> MestreLion, the exe is the same
#466 [02:21] <Lord_Ralex> just a wrapped jar
#467 [02:21] <MestreLion> Lord_Ralex: but at least it has a menu, icon, etc
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#469 [02:21] <Lord_Ralex> MestreLion, the jar does too
#470 [02:21] <Lord_Ralex> the jar is the same as the exe
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#472 [02:22] <Lord_Ralex> the only difference is the exe is easier for windows users
#473 [02:22] <MestreLion> it's really easy to make a .desktop file for it, add an icon and a script launcher, and pack it in a .deb file
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#475 [02:22] <Hunter1471> help
#476 [02:22] <niandawa> Anyone had time to look at my crash report at http://pastebin.com/download.php?i=0LsEQXsz ?
#477 [02:22] <GreyVulpine> MestreLion - You should see what mac users have to contend with...
#478 [02:23] <Lord_Ralex> MestreLion, you can just make a "minecraft" command too :P
#479 [02:23] <Lord_Ralex> niandawa, is it just that one world?
#480 [02:23] <Lord_Ralex> The world is crashing when generating something
#481 [02:23] <MestreLion> Lord_Ralex: I did... https://github.com/MestreLion/minecraft
#482 [02:23] <Hunter1471> My minecraft is stuck all the time on the "Updating Minecraft" thing when I`ve updated it to 1.5
#483 [02:24] <Hunter1471> 1.5
#484 [02:24] <niandawa> Lord_Ralex, yes it is, and it started crashing after 1.5
#485 [02:24] <Lord_Ralex> niandawa, your world seems corrupted a bit
#486 [02:24] <Hunter1471> Yes
#487 [02:25] <Lord_Ralex> MestreLion, nice, will have to try it out later :P
#488 [02:25] <Hunter1471> PLZ even the browser Mc doesnt werk
#489 [02:25] <niandawa> Lord_Ralex, any advice?
#490 [02:25] <GreyVulpine> Hunter1471 - Tried a force update through the launcher?
#491 [02:25] <Lord_Ralex> MestreLion, no option to specify ram allocations?
#492 [02:25] <cestislife> ??> niandawa mcedit/repair
#493 [02:25] <VoxelHead> niandawa: (mcedit/repair) If your world got corrupted you can try to repair it with MCEdit. Open the offending world in MCEdit, press 'ctrl-i' and select 'Repair regions' in the dialogue which pops up. Once this has completed, save your world and exit MCEdit.
#494 [02:26] <MestreLion> oh, wait! GreyVulpine, if the "login fail" error is expected , and so is the file not found java exception, then apart from the browser plugin, minecraft works fine with OpenJDK, and also v 7
#495 [02:26] <Hunter1471> I have tried Force upa
#496 [02:26] <Hunter1471> date
#497 [02:26] <GreyVulpine> Yeah, for the most part, openJDK works for minecraft. There are uncommon occurances where OpenJDK has caused problems in the past.
#498 [02:26] <niandawa> Lord_Ralex, thanks! Will try that.
#499 [02:26] <MestreLion> Lord_Ralex: well, I used the same launcher line as suggest in minecraft website...
#500 [02:27] <Lord_Ralex> MestreLion, might PR that in a sec to add ram changes :P
#501 [02:27] <Hunter1471> Whatis CTCP?
#502 [02:27] <GreyVulpine> Hunter1471 - Is it stopping on any specific file during the download?
#503 [02:27] <Hunter1471> Whatis CTCP?
#504 [02:27] <cestislife> ??> Hunter1471 win/reinst
#505 [02:27] <VoxelHead> Hunter1471: (win/reinst) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#506 [02:27] <VoxelHead> Hunter1471: (win/reinst) To do so, press your Windows+R keys, type in %AppData% at the dialog, and press Enter. In the window that appears, open the .minecraft directory, and delete everything except for the saves directory that you see therein. Then, try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
#507 [02:27] <Hunter1471> pk
#508 [02:27] <GreyVulpine> Hunter1471 - That's just me polling your client to see what operating system you're running
#509 [02:27] <MestreLion> and it "seems" to work fine... I say "seems" because since I'm new to minecraft, I don't know what it is supposed to be "optmal" gameplay
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#511 [02:27] <Lord_Ralex> MestreLion, i tend to like having control anyways :P
#512 [02:28] <Lord_Ralex> and might actually poke this thing
#513 [02:28] <Lord_Ralex> add more to it
#514 [02:28] * Lord_Ralex forks and goes to work
#514 [02:28] <GreyVulpine> MestreLion - As long as it runs, doesn't crash, and you get decent FPS (F3 menu during gameplay), minecraft is okay
#515 [02:28] <MestreLion> its easy to change the installer and add more command line install options... just not sure which ones are worth having
#516 [02:28] <Lord_Ralex> MestreLion, i got a few
#517 [02:29] <GreyVulpine> Can't tell you the number of *nix uses that come through here with suboptimal video cards/drivers
#518 [02:29] <GreyVulpine> er, users*
#519 [02:29] <Hunter1471> THX
#520 [02:29] <MestreLion> actually, this installer is a huge *downgrade* from my "standard" installer I created for Eclipse
#521 [02:29] <cestislife> Hunter1471: It worked?
#522 [02:29] <cestislife> Wheeeeeeee
#523 [02:29] <Hunter1471> I THINK ITS WERKING
#524 [02:29] * cestislife sits on VoxelHead
#524 [02:29] <Hunter1471> YYYAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY
#525 [02:29] <cestislife> :l
#526 [02:29] <MestreLion> which had a *TON* more options, including user/system install, custom jars (for different Eclipse versions)
#527 [02:29] <BrickViking> vat's verking?
#528 [02:30] <Andrio> lol
#529 [02:30] <Lord_Ralex> MestreLion, prob will also fork you a centos/rhel version too
#530 [02:30] <MestreLion> Lord_Ralex: it is very Debian-oriented, since I use Ubuntu and Mint
#531 [02:30] * BrickViking blinks
#531 [02:30] <Hunter1471> THX EVERY1
#532 [02:30] <Lord_Ralex> MestreLion, i use centos/debian-based :P
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#534 [02:31] <MestreLion> isn't CentOS rhel-based?
#535 [02:31] * Lord_Ralex has windows, mint, ubuntu, centos, and backtracker installed currently
#535 [02:31] <BrickViking> uhm, what're you two on about now?
#536 [02:31] <cestislife> Linux distros.
#537 [02:31] <Lord_Ralex> MestreLion, yeah
#538 [02:31] <MestreLion> so what is centos/debian-based?
#539 [02:31] * BrickViking has Debian, Ubuntu, Windows Vista, plan9 and NetBSD installed...
#539 [02:31] <Lord_Ralex> MestreLion, just so it works on those
#540 [02:31] <BrickViking> he means he bases it for both CentOS and Debian
#541 [02:32] <Lord_Ralex> yum vs apt-get
#542 [02:32] <Lord_Ralex> main difference really
#543 [02:32] <Lord_Ralex> in this regard to the things
#544 [02:32] <BrickViking> that, and how the distros combine packages.
#545 [02:32] <MestreLion> but there is no such thing as a debian-based CentOS
#546 [02:32] <BrickViking> ... and dependencies
#547 [02:32] <Lord_Ralex> ijn regards to his script, that is the only real difference that matters
#548 [02:32] <Lord_Ralex> can't apt-get with centos :P
#549 [02:32] <BrickViking> well actually, you can...
#550 [02:33] <BrickViking> but you'd have to install a complete apt repo for it.
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#552 [02:33] <MestreLion> oh, I see... well, you can simply add "if type apt >/dev/null 2>&1; then try yum" in the java-checking block
#553 [02:34] <MestreLion> and adjust the package names too, of course...
#554 [02:34] <BrickViking> there might be better ways than that.
#555 [02:34] <BrickViking> where's the script? I'd like to take a quick look.
#556 [02:35] <MestreLion> "type" is safe, and its POSIX... so its a good test... but as long as he doesnt use "which" I'm fine :P
#557 [02:35] <MestreLion> BrickViking: https://github.com/MestreLion/minecraft
#558 [02:35] <MestreLion> please notice that it is a self-made script I did in 2-or-so hours only..
#559 [02:36] <MestreLion> don't expect any fancy options of enterprise-level error handling :P
#560 [02:36] <BrickViking> take a quick look at https://github.com/brickviking/minecrafty
#561 [02:36] <BrickViking> It's a bash script that seems to be very useful to me, in combination with a "fancy" launcher such as skmclauncher
#562 [02:37] <MestreLion> oh, and the uninstall is not complete yet... it's still a copy-andpaste of my eclipse installer
#563 [02:37] <BrickViking> heh.
#564 [02:37] <BrickViking> I don't provide uninstall at all, so don't worry about it.
#565 [02:38] <MestreLion> it may already work out-of the box, tho, since they are similar, the minecraft being a downgraded version of eclipse
#566 [02:38] <BrickViking> hang on..... what's "eclipse" in your terminology? The java IDE?
#567 [02:39] <MestreLion> yup
#568 [02:40] <MestreLion> I made an installer for it
#569 [02:40] <BrickViking> lol.
#570 [02:40] <BrickViking> Yup. I suspect minecrafty's a bit more "feature complete" than your "minecraft" script
#571 [02:40] <BrickViking> ... but mine doesn't deal with fetching java.
#572 [02:40] <MestreLion> its not as tweaked as the one in Ubuntu's repo, but its FAR better than just stucking it in /opt
#573 [02:41] <BrickViking> Finding java, that's an idea, but not an easy one to implement.
#574 [02:42] <MestreLion> it's as simple as "type java >/dev/null 2>&1 || { ... do your stuff ... }
#575 [02:42] <BrickViking> yeah, but it's the { do your stuff } that's the bear
#576 [02:42] <BrickViking> after all, for Ubuntu/Debian, there's non-official repos for Oracle java, or going with OpenJDK
#577 [02:43] <BrickViking> ditto for .rpm distros
#578 [02:43] <MestreLion> if you don't bother to ask user, its as simple as "sudo apt-get install default-jre"
#579 [02:43] <BrickViking> not quite.
#580 [02:43] <BrickViking> default-jre differs between distros of Linux
#581 [02:43] <MestreLion> its default-jre for any debian-based distro
#582 [02:44] <BrickViking> What about Arch? SourceMage? Slackware?
#583 [02:44] <MestreLion> the actual jre installed may differ... but its the one suggested by the distro
#584 [02:44] <MestreLion> in Ubuntu 12.04, its OpenJDK 6
#585 [02:44] <BrickViking> Mandriva? OpenSUSE? name-your-strange-variant-here?
#586 [02:45] <BrickViking> I tink that just about all the distros have settled on OpenJDK, at least for a somewhat solution... that, or IcedTea
#587 [02:46] <MestreLion> OpenJDK is now the official Java implementation, according to Oracle itself
#588 [02:46] <BrickViking> Ha.
#589 [02:46] <MestreLion> they stepped down from it
#590 [02:47] <MestreLion> at least for Java 7
#591 [02:47] <MestreLion> for 6, Sun's still the official, I guess
#592 [02:48] <MestreLion> and OpenJDK, both 6 and 7, worked fine in my Ubuntu... well, "fine" if you disregard the login error and java exceptions, but since you guys said this occurs in Oracle's java too
#593 [02:48] <BrickViking> MestreLion: anyhow, have you had a look at minecrafty?
#594 [02:48] <MestreLion> I'm reading it
#595 [02:49] <BrickViking> about the only thing this script doesn't do is to check that the user has a valid paid-up minecraft, as this isn't what the script does. That's the job of the launcher, whichever it may be.
#596 [02:49] <MestreLion> you seem to be dealing with a whole lot of stuff more than I do
#597 [02:51] <BrickViking> so. the TL;DR for it is: downloads minecraft versions, downloads launchers, executes same, changes brightness/gamma, reset refresh rate if needed.
#598 [02:51] <BrickViking> ...on whichever monitor
#599 [02:52] <MestreLion> isn't there brightness in-game?
#600 [02:53] <MestreLion> also, whats the pulseaudio thing?
#601 [02:54] <BrickViking> Linux stupidity.
#602 [02:55] <BrickViking> There's brightness in game, but it's often not enough to correct a too-dark game.
#603 [02:55] <BrickViking> brb
#604 [02:55] <MestreLion> I mean... is it needed to tinker with it? sound seemed to work fine here
#605 [02:56] <BrickViking> sound's usually fine, until you strike a place where it doesn't work with pulseaudio.
#606 [02:56] <MestreLion> (again, not sure what "fine" means since I don't have a reference... but I was able to hear sounds and, sometimes, music also played)
#607 [02:56] <cestislife> If it isn't broken, don't fix it.
#608 [02:56] <MestreLion> music didn't play the whole game tho... only at certain times
#609 [02:57] <MestreLion> usually entering a cave
#610 [02:57] <BrickViking> that's what happens in this game.
#611 [02:57] <cestislife> Sound files are downloaded after you login to the game.
#612 [02:57] <cestislife> And music does not play all the time
#613 [02:57] <BrickViking> that's not what Mestre's talking about
#614 [02:57] <MestreLion> oh
#615 [02:57] <BrickViking> but yes, it plays about twice a minecraft day.
#616 [02:57] <BrickViking> (whic lasts about 20 minutes)
#617 [02:57] <cestislife> They're planning to loop it at some point.
#618 [02:57] <MestreLion> so it is working
#619 [02:57] <BrickViking> oh gawd. I hope not.
#620 [02:57] <cestislife> Music : 0%
#621 [02:57] <BrickViking> I hope they don't make it loop.
#622 [02:58] * Lord_Ralex mutes MC music and plays his own instead
#622 [02:58] <cestislife> To be fair C418 is working to remaster all the MC music.
#623 [02:58] <BrickViking> twice every 20 minutes is nice interval.
#624 [02:58] <BrickViking> is he? Again??
#625 [02:58] <cestislife> And even add a menu music.
#626 [02:58] * x is now known as Disori
#627 [02:58] <BrickViking> That'd be useful
#628 [02:58] <cestislife> He is the music guy, so yeah
#629 [02:58] <MestreLion> actually, after that marathon to work around the login/website issue, the only 2 glitches I find are:
#630 [02:58] <cestislife> What I'd like though is more in-game records.
#631 [02:59] <MestreLion> - movement forwards (W) halts when I move the mouse around
#632 [02:59] <BrickViking> weird. I don't have that bug.
#633 [02:59] <MestreLion> which is *extremely* annoying.. I have to release W and press it again
#634 [02:59] <cestislife> ??> MestreLion java/lwjgl
#635 [02:59] <VoxelHead> MestreLion: (java/lwjgl) See http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Tutorials/Update_LWJGL for a guide on manually updating to a new version of LWJGL.
#636 [03:00] <MestreLion> so I either don't look around while moving forward, or I need to re-press W
#637 [03:00] <cestislife> On Linux, it is almost compulsory to update LWJGL that is packaged with the game.
#638 [03:00] <MestreLion> but, wird enought, it DOES work fine if i'm also using the mouse button
#639 [03:00] <GreyVulpine> Recommend using 2.8.4 instead of 2.8.5
#640 [03:00] <cestislife> 2.8.5 generally breaks shift clicking.
#641 [03:01] <cestislife> So yeahhh
#642 [03:01] <MestreLion> meaning while continuously whacking a sword I am able to warlk forwrd and look around at the same time
#643 [03:01] <BrickViking> yep
#644 [03:01] <BrickViking> In fact, you have to do that when you fight monsters
#645 [03:01] <cestislife> Look into updating LWJGL, that'll fix it.
#646 [03:01] <BrickViking> ... mostly
#647 [03:02] <MestreLion> another annoying glitch is ALT+tab when fullscreen
#648 [03:03] <BrickViking> that's a bug??
#649 [03:03] <MestreLion> it kind of works (it does go to other windows), but it exits fullscreen and makes the whole desktop weird
#650 [03:03] <BrickViking> sorry, don't all fullscreen programs wig out when you do that to them?
#651 [03:03] <cestislife> Recommend not full-screening the game, I just maximize it if I want it full screen.
#652 [03:04] <MestreLion> BrickViking: some apps block alt+tab completely. Some restore to windowed when you do. none of them crashes compiz and render my desktop unsable when I do :P
#653 [03:04] <BrickViking> I get away with fulscreening, but then I use the Window manager under Linux to do so... It means setting Alt-Enter as the fullscreen key, not sure what you'd use for Windows.
#654 [03:04] <BrickViking> but then I turned off Compiz
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#656 [03:05] <MestreLion> I can't really turn off compiz in Ubuntu...
#657 [03:06] <MestreLion> Unity depends on it
#658 [03:06] <BrickViking> hmpf.
#659 [03:06] <BrickViking> I tried Unity for a month... gave up after that.
#660 [03:06] <MestreLion> and no, I will not change distro just to play minecraft :P
#661 [03:06] <BrickViking> Gnome3 is barely acceptable as a UI, but Unity is ... not.
#662 [03:06] <BrickViking> If I could, I'd install Cinnamon.
#663 [03:06] <MestreLion> nor I will log out to Unity 2D or something :P
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#667 [03:07] <MestreLion> Cinnamon does not work with fglrx :/
#668 [03:07] <BrickViking> Unity is one of the reasons you'll see slower framerates in Minecraft.
#669 [03:07] <BrickViking> eh? You're kidding, right?
#670 [03:07] <MestreLion> nope
#671 [03:07] <BrickViking> I'm using what's effectively Gnome 2 with fglrx right at the moment.
#672 [03:07] <MestreLion> and Clem said it was expected...
#673 [03:07] <BrickViking> no idea how, but it's worknig.
#674 [03:07] <MestreLion> that Cinnamon is currently hit-or-miss... unfortunately I was a "miss" :(
#675 [03:08] <MestreLion> Gnome 2 was perfect with fglrx... man, I do miss Mint 10.. that was a *perfect* desktop
#676 [03:09] <BrickViking> never had mint...
#677 [03:09] <MestreLion> I also miss 10.04 netbook edition... that category-oriented "ipad-like" launcher was *amazing* for a netbook, current unity is not so gorgeous
#678 [03:09] <MestreLion> but I can't lock myself in 10.04 forever... nor to mint 10
#679 [03:09] <BrickViking> yeah. As I said, I refuse to use Unity now.
#680 [03:10] <MestreLion> Unity is quite usable actually... the dash is awesome after I got the hand of it
#681 [03:11] <MestreLion> specially the "type-to-find" for apps... it works great, and its algorithm is suberb
#682 [03:11] <BrickViking> I forgot, I seem to also have Fedora 17 install.
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#684 [03:12] <MestreLion> it searchs not only by name, but also by category, comment, tags, keywords
#685 [03:12] <MestreLion> so newbie that has no idea that the soulseek app is called "nicotine" in linux, can simply type "sou..." and the dash finds nicotine
#686 [03:12] * BrickViking blinks.
#686 [03:13] <BrickViking> nicotine... never ever heard of that, or soulseek
#687 [03:13] <MestreLion> or "pla..." for LibreOffice Calc
#688 [03:13] <MestreLion> (soulseek is a p2p network focused on music sharing... kinda like emule
#689 [03:14] <MestreLion> and "pla" for LibreOffice Cal is pretty impressive: "pla" for "planilha" which is "spreadsheet"... in portuguese!
#690 [03:14] <BrickViking> ah. No use for me.
#691 [03:14] <BrickViking> (soulseek)
#692 [03:15] <MestreLion> so my girlfriend begin searching for "planilha", in portuguese, and it found the LibreOffice Calc
#693 [03:15] <MestreLion> really handy for newcomers
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#696 [03:15] <MestreLion> same for "torr..." and it finds Deluge
#697 [03:15] <BrickViking> ... as long as you know how to run a spreadsheet, yes.
#698 [03:15] <BrickViking> heh.
#699 [03:16] <BrickViking> yes, that bit of it is acceptable.
#700 [03:16] <MestreLion> well, but you don't have to know the name of the program
#701 [03:16] <BrickViking> I'm too ... oldschool. I started Linux from the commandline.
#702 [03:16] <MestreLion> you can be a completely newbie, windows-only user
#703 [03:16] <MestreLion> and you still can find what youwant
#704 [03:16] <BrickViking> mmm. That bit at least has improved.
#705 [03:16] <MestreLion> be it a spreadsheet, torrent client, whatever
#706 [03:17] <BrickViking> but if you tried that on my mother in law, she'd be totally lost.
#707 [03:17] <BrickViking> ... "because it's not Windows"
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#709 [03:17] <MestreLion> i tried that with my mom, an't be worse than your m-i-l
#710 [03:17] <MestreLion> she was lost, I said "type in what you want"... and so far, so good
#711 [03:17] <BrickViking> try someone who can't tell a keyboard from a screen.
#712 [03:18] <MestreLion> well, mostly because it found "Mahjong" :P
#713 [03:18] <BrickViking> ah.
#714 [03:18] <BrickViking> it is more "task-oriented"
#715 [03:19] <MestreLion> it searches for app names *and* its "generic name", and also comments
#716 [03:19] <BrickViking> mmm.
#717 [03:19] <BrickViking> your script, purely installs minecraft (and java) and that's it... right/
#718 [03:19] <BrickViking> ?
#719 [03:19] <MestreLion> so as long as the .desktop file is made with love, it will be accesible by everyone
#720 [03:20] <MestreLion> it also creates a .desktop file, install it on the menu
#721 [03:20] <MestreLion> and provide an icon (extracting it from the .jar
#722 [03:20] <BrickViking> I'm guessing I could well include your concepts into minecrafty
#723 [03:20] <BrickViking> Perhaps provide a -i which uses roughly your script...
#724 [03:20] <BrickViking> (i for initialize)
#725 [03:21] <MestreLion> the .desktop part is important... so you don't have to use terminal for launch
#726 [03:21] <BrickViking> I don't anyhow.
#727 [03:21] <BrickViking> I created desktop files to launch minecrafty to launch my launchers...
#728 [03:21] <MestreLion> (but I also DO create a script and put it in a folder and check if that folder is in the user's $PATH
#729 [03:21] <BrickViking> mmm.
#730 [03:22] <BrickViking> as I said... this script of mine is a front end for launchers.
#731 [03:22] <MestreLion> so if you *want* to use the terminal, "minecraft" is there
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#733 [03:22] <BrickViking> mmm.
#734 [03:22] <MestreLion> but how will a user launch your script after downloading it?
#735 [03:23] <BrickViking> ..... oooo...?
#736 [03:23] <BrickViking> ah.
#737 [03:23] <BrickViking> simple. something.desktop runs minecrafty without a terminal
#738 [03:23] <BrickViking> if you want logging, run it from a terminal
#739 [03:23] <BrickViking> i.e. minecrafty -?
#740 [03:23] <MestreLion> and something.desktop calls your script from... ?
#741 [03:24] <BrickViking> wherever you stick minecrafty
#742 [03:24] <MestreLion> oh, so the *user* must create it?
#743 [03:24] <BrickViking> that's the bit I'd be using your script for
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#745 [03:24] <BrickViking> you have a standard way of sticking something into place.
#746 [03:24] <BrickViking> I do not.
#747 [03:24] <MestreLion> well, not exactly standard...
#748 [03:24] <BrickViking> I just put minecrafty into ${HOME}/bin/minecrafty
#749 [03:25] <MestreLion> i put the files where they *should* be
#750 [03:25] <MestreLion> which is ~/.local/share/minecraft
#751 [03:25] <MestreLion> and the launcher in ~/.local/bin
#752 [03:25] <BrickViking> ... I could equally have put it into /usr/bin/ or /usr/local/bin (the oldschool location)
#753 [03:25] <MestreLion> but currently Ubuntu does not add ~/.local/bin to the PATH
#754 [03:25] <BrickViking> huh? I've never seen .local/bin in any distro
#755 [03:25] <BrickViking> ever.
#756 [03:25] <MestreLion> it IS the logical place
#757 [03:26] <MestreLion> ~/bin should be deprecated
#758 [03:26] <BrickViking> might be logical, but I've never seen anyone use it.
#759 [03:26] <BrickViking> I see that /usr/local seems to be deprecated too.
#760 [03:26] <MestreLion> not at all;;; that's for locally installed
#761 [03:26] <MestreLion> like make install
#762 [03:26] <BrickViking> well, that's what it was SUPPOSED to be
#763 [03:26] <BrickViking> ... right from the word go.
#764 [03:27] <MestreLion> not to clash with OS-installed packages
#765 [03:27] <MestreLion> it still works this way: OS-installed, like apt-get install, goes to /usr
#766 [03:27] <BrickViking> mmm.
#767 [03:28] <MestreLion> global (but custom to that machine) installs, with self-build apps, goes to /usr/local
#768 [03:28] <BrickViking> mmm hmm.
#769 [03:28] <BrickViking> And anything local to the user goes into /home/user/bin
#770 [03:28] <MestreLion> and single-user installs goes to ~/.local
#771 [03:28] <MestreLion> nope
#772 [03:28] <MestreLion> otherwise we would also have ~/share
#773 [03:28] <BrickViking> to me, .local/ was for userdata associated with global programs
#774 [03:29] <BrickViking> i.e. local to each user
#775 [03:29] <MestreLion> its userdata, period
#776 [03:29] <MestreLion> regardless if the program is on /usr or /usr/local or ~/bin
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#778 [03:29] <BrickViking> ... whereas to me, binaries don't form part of user data. binaries go into a bin directory, whether it be as you specify (.local/bin) or as I say (/home/user/bin)
#779 [03:30] <MestreLion> but I don't see why there is a whole tree under ~/.local, including local/share, local/share/applications, , local/everything
#780 [03:30] <MestreLion> but NOT a local/bin
#781 [03:30] <BrickViking> I've only EVER seen .local/share
#782 [03:30] <BrickViking> that's true on Ubuntu, on Debian and on Fedora.
#783 [03:31] <MestreLion> yes, I know
#784 [03:31] <MestreLion> but in a perfect world, ~/bin should actually be ~/.local/bin
#785 [03:31] <BrickViking> mrm...
#786 [03:31] <MestreLion> and there is a strong movement on both Ubuntu and Fedora to make it so
#787 [03:31] <BrickViking> whatever.
#788 [03:31] <MestreLion> at least add it to PATH
#789 [03:31] <BrickViking> No doubt I'll find that to be the case soon then.
#790 [03:32] <MestreLion> the same movement that begs for apps not to install dotfiles in users root, btut instead use ~/.config for it
#791 [03:32] <MestreLion> less clutter, please :P
#792 [03:32] <BrickViking> now that, I can happily agree with.
#793 [03:32] <MestreLion> its the same rationale... ~/bin is clutter
#794 [03:32] <MestreLion> it makes no sense but historical reasons
#795 [03:33] <BrickViking> not to me.. the binaries aren't directly in /home/user, but are put into /home/user/bin instead
#796 [03:33] <MestreLion> yes, its the current "standard"
#797 [03:33] <MestreLion> but I personally don't use ~/bin
#798 [03:33] <BrickViking> to me, that's hardly clutter.
#799 [03:34] <BrickViking> but hey.
#800 [03:34] <MestreLion> i moved all my personal binaries to "~/.local/bin" and added it to $PATH in ~/.profile
#801 [03:34] <BrickViking> cool. So far at least, none of the distros aside from TinyCore sees fit to use it.
#802 [03:35] <MestreLion> its a user dir, no distro will ever "use" it
#803 [03:35] <MestreLion> its up for the apps to do so
#804 [03:35] <BrickViking> sigh.
#805 [03:35] <BrickViking> If it's never mandated, then nobody will use it.
#806 [03:36] <MestreLion> nothing is mandated inside ~
#807 [03:36] <BrickViking> whereas, at least .config and .local are "somewhat mandated" by freedesktop if nothing else.
#808 [03:36] <BrickViking> Ahh for the days of SUS3
#809 [03:36] <MestreLion> freedesktop also says it should be ~/.local/bin, by logic
#810 [03:36] <BrickViking> explicitly?
#811 [03:36] <MestreLion> but it is not inclued in the spec, yet
#812 [03:36] <BrickViking> so it's not even at the "may be"
#813 [03:37] <BrickViking> stage
#814 [03:37] <MestreLion> yes, explicitely
#815 [03:37] <BrickViking> hang on, if it's not in the spec, then it's not explicit.
#816 [03:37] <MestreLion> there is no spec for user-only *binaries*
#817 [03:37] <BrickViking> right.
#818 [03:37] <BrickViking> see, to me, .local/ is for data, not binaries.
#819 [03:37] <BrickViking> but that's just to me, mind you.
#820 [03:38] <MestreLion> not even "make install" works for user unless you fiddle with --prefix
#821 [03:38] <MestreLion> local/*share* is for data
#822 [03:38] <MestreLion> local is to mimic /usr/local
#823 [03:38] <BrickViking> interesting. I didn't know that.
#824 [03:39] <MestreLion> just like /usr/local is to mimic /usr
#825 [03:40] <MestreLion> 3 different "layers" for 3 very distinct purposes
#826 [03:40] <MestreLion> OS-provided package? /usr
#827 [03:40] <BrickViking> technically, you could say that minecraft should go into /usr/local
#828 [03:40] <MestreLion> self-compiled, but global? /usr/local
#829 [03:40] <BrickViking> ... as opposed to .local/
#830 [03:40] <MestreLion> your user only? ~/.local
#831 [03:41] <BrickViking> If minecraft is on a system, it can be accessed by anyone, but they need to create their own .minecraft.
#832 [03:41] <MestreLion> yes, true... but the only file there would be a 89kb minecraft.jar
#833 [03:41] <BrickViking> yup.
#834 [03:41] <BrickViking> And that's all that needs to be publically available.
#835 [03:41] <MestreLion> that's why I deleted all sys-install related stuff from my installer
#836 [03:41] <BrickViking> heh.
#837 [03:42] <MestreLion> its a downgraded version of my eclipse
#838 [03:42] <BrickViking> mmm. Which I never saw.
#839 [03:42] <BrickViking> never mind.
#840 [03:42] <MestreLion> same github account, mestrelion/eclipse
#841 [03:42] <MestreLion> but the principle is the same....
#842 [03:42] <BrickViking> As I said, I'd love your permission to include some of your script into my script. I think you have a good idea.
#843 [03:42] <MestreLion> (only that eclipse uses /opt instead of /usr/local
#844 [03:42] <BrickViking> mmm.
#845 [03:43] <MestreLion> because its a self-contained app
#846 [03:43] <BrickViking> heh, come to think of it, so's minecraft.
#847 [03:43] <BrickViking> I handle everything from .minecraft
#848 [03:43] <BrickViking> i.e. I sling the launcher into .minecraft/bin/minecraft_launcher.jar
#849 [03:44] <MestreLion> yes, for minecraft it doesn't matter if you use ~/.local/bin or ~/.local/opt
#850 [03:44] <BrickViking> actually, minecraft just uses .minecraft, unless you specify a home somehow
#851 [03:44] <MestreLion> but ~/.minecraft only exists *after* you run minecraft.jar...
#852 [03:44] <BrickViking> yes.
#853 [03:44] <MestreLion> so what do you do?
#854 [03:45] <BrickViking> skmclauncher has the option to use other places
#855 [03:45] <BrickViking> most of the other launchers (except for vanilla) can do so too
#856 [03:45] <BrickViking> I default to .minecraft
#857 [03:46] <MestreLion> my approach was: since ~/.minecraft is created by minecraft.jar, I decided to to mess with it... and stick the launcher somewhere else... I chose ~/.local/share/minecraft to host the launcher .jar, the desktop file and the icon
#858 [03:46] <MestreLion> "decided NOT to mess with it"
#859 [03:47] <BrickViking> I figured you meant that.
#860 [03:47] <MestreLion> so ~/.local/share/minecraft ends up with this 3 files
#861 [03:47] <BrickViking> I got around the .minecraft by just putting minecrafty into some location and doing the rest from there.
#862 [03:47] <MestreLion> and ~/.local/bin holds the bash script that launches the jar
#863 [03:48] <BrickViking> i.e. EVERYTHING goes into .minecraft except the minecrafty script itself (which doesn't belong there anyhow)
#864 [03:48] <BrickViking> sorry, I can't type fast.
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#866 [03:48] <MestreLion> but is there a place where you save the minecrafty script itself? or its icon/desktop file? Or that's up to the user?
#867 [03:49] <scary365> hi there. trying to play using the browser. blank white screen only. I have removed old java and installed the latest version. any ideas?
#868 [03:49] <BrickViking> Again, that's what I'd use your script for...
#869 [03:49] * BrickViking puts our discussion on hold.
#869 [03:49] <Lord_Ralex> scary365, are you trying to play the demo or the paid version?
#870 [03:49] <MestreLion> well, feel free for it... its on github, its gpl'ed, so go for it :)
#871 [03:49] <scary365> hi Lord relax - paid version
#872 [03:49] <Lord_Ralex> scary365, use the downloadable launcher instead
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#874 [03:50] <MestreLion> scary365: windows or linux?
#875 [03:50] <scary365> tried that too, it allows me press the button then goes nowhere
#876 [03:50] <scary365> lord - windows vista
#877 [03:50] <Lord_Ralex> scary365, for now, let's use the downloadable version
#878 [03:50] <Lord_Ralex> scary365, so you log in, it goes to a black/white screen, and stays like that?
#879 [03:51] <MestreLion> I thought this blank screen in website was a linux issue
#880 [03:51] <Lord_Ralex> MestreLion, no
#881 [03:51] <Lord_Ralex> black/white usually means crash
#882 [03:51] <Lord_Ralex> if it stays longer than it hsould
#883 [03:51] <scary365> yes, i log in, click "use browser" and when the screen populates, java runs and the screen goes blank - no error messages
#884 [03:51] * BrickViking wishes a console would appear with the default launcher.
#884 [03:51] <Lord_Ralex> scary365, use the downloadable verison of the game
#885 [03:52] <BrickViking> ... but hey.
#886 [03:52] <Lord_Ralex> it is easier to work with for troubleshooting
#887 [03:52] <scary365> Lord - the downloaded game will not load either
#888 [03:52] <Lord_Ralex> scary365, still, please use that
#889 [03:52] <Lord_Ralex> scary365, it is *much* easier to deal with the downloadable copy and see what is going wrong than it is the browser version
#890 [03:53] <BrickViking> the browser version is prone to problems with browsers...
#891 [03:53] <BrickViking> i.e. chrome, you now have to click to launch... firefox I dunno. IE? dunno. Safari? Who knows. Opera, say wha?
#892 [03:53] <Lord_Ralex> scary365, so, when you run the *downloadable* version, it goes to a black/white screen and remains like that?
#893 [03:54] <MestreLion> BrickViking: page me when you want to resume our discussion... but upfront, I say: sure, go ahead, for my script and it use it at will, I would be glad if it is usefull for you... and I have a few suggestions on how/where you could place the files. if you also deal with logs, cache, etc
#894 [03:54] <MestreLion> fork*
#895 [03:54] <BrickViking> heh. I don't deal with anything beyond downloading minecraft (or launchers) and launching the launchers.
#896 [03:55] <scary365> when i download the full game, the login screen pops up - but when I enter my username and password and press enter everything dissapears
#897 [03:55] <BrickViking> ... with a couple of extra stuff.
#898 [03:55] <Lord_Ralex> scary365, okay
#899 [03:55] <BrickViking> I don't intend to fork.
#900 [03:55] <Lord_Ralex> scary365, go to the "Downloads" folder
#901 [03:55] <MestreLion> BrickViking: that still requires at least a script, a desktop file, an icon... and perhaps if you want full console output even when using desktop, you can redirect messages to a log file...
#902 [03:56] <BrickViking> that's a pretty good idea, frankly.
#903 [03:56] <scary365> thanks lord, tried that, it is there, pops up, I enter email and password and bombs out again
#904 [03:57] <Lord_Ralex> scary365, please don't get ahead of me .-.
#905 [03:57] <BrickViking> minecrafty IS the script.
#906 [03:57] <MestreLion> notice that I don't use a hardcoded ~/.local/share... I actually use ${XDG_DATA_HOME:-"$HOME"/.local}
#907 [03:57] <BrickViking> heh. wise move.
#908 [03:58] <Lord_Ralex> scary365, go to "Start" -> "Run" or "Search" depending on what it shows -> "cmd"
#909 [03:58] <MestreLion> to fully adhere to the spec... to I franlky never saw someone change the default
#910 [03:58] <MestreLion> tho*
#911 [03:58] <BrickViking> XDG_DATA_HOME isn't a bad idea anyhow.
#912 [03:58] <scary365> lord - done
#913 [03:58] <Lord_Ralex> scary365, did that open a black window?
#914 [03:59] <scary365> lord - yes it did
#915 [03:59] <Lord_Ralex> type in: cd Downloads
#916 [03:59] <scary365> lord - done
#917 [04:00] <Lord_Ralex> scary365, now type in: java -cp Minecraft.exe net.minecraft.LauncherFrame > logs.txt
#918 [04:01] <scary365> lord - says could not find or load
#919 [04:01] <Lord_Ralex> scary365, is the Minecraft.exe located in the "Downloads" folder with that name?
#920 [04:01] <scary365> lord - yes
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#922 [04:02] <Lord_Ralex> scary365, sec
#923 [04:04] <Lord_Ralex> scary365, in the folder, press shift and right click, and select "open command prompt here"
#924 [04:04] <Lord_Ralex> if you have a file selected, it will not show that
#925 [04:04] <Lord_Ralex> so you might have to left click a spot to de-select any files
#926 [04:05] <scary365> in the downloads folder?
#927 [04:05] <Lord_Ralex> scary365, yes
#928 [04:05] <scary365> lord - i dont get the option to open command pomp
#929 [04:06] <Lord_Ralex> scary365, make sure you don't have a file selected
#930 [04:06] <Lord_Ralex> left click in a white space in the folder should de-select a file, then try again
#931 [04:06] <scary365> lord - no file selected, when I do that it pops up the ATI catalyst centre
#932 [04:07] <Lord_Ralex> scary365, go back to the cmd
#933 [04:07] <scary365> lord cmd is open
#934 [04:07] <Lord_Ralex> type in: dir Minecraft*
#935 [04:08] <scary365> dir not found
#936 [04:08] <scary365> sorry - file not found
#937 [04:09] <scary365> Lord - thanks for your help, I am afraid I have to run to work now, I will check back in again later - I have a sad kid here that cant play his favourite game
#938 [04:10] <scary365> Appreciate your assistance so far
#939 [04:10] <Lord_Ralex> scary365, okay, just come back when you can and someone can help you
#940 [04:10] <scary365> thanks again
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#957 [06:46] <cestislife> 1.5.1 is live.
#958 [06:46] <cestislife> Topic update time.
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#960 [06:51] <Calinou> yey, break our mods
#961 [06:51] <Calinou> >2013
#962 [06:51] <Calinou> >coded obfuscation
#963 [06:51] <Lutzee> Damn cestislife beat me to it :<
#964 [06:51] <Calinou> obfuscation is so 2011
#965 [06:51] <Henrik> Hi there, Im new to minecraft. Ive created a account but cant login to the game " login failed " - the site says all is ok - any help appreciated !?
#966 [06:51] <Calinou> Henrik: you need to buy the game to play minecraft, it's not a free game
#967 [06:52] <Calinou> or, do you want to play the demo?
#968 [06:52] <mindcat> jokes Mod API.
#969 [06:52] <Henrik> Orhh. thanks a lot, that explains.
#970 [06:52] <Calinou> then you don't need an account I think... just put anything, then there should be a "play demo" button
#971 [06:52] <Calinou> minecraft costs 20 euros/about 27 dollars by the way
#972 [06:52] <cestislife> You need an account to play the demo.
#973 [06:52] <Calinou> ah ok
#974 [06:52] <cestislife> Also, version independant modding is possible now.
#975 [06:52] <Henrik> Super - thanks a lot.
#976 [06:53] <Henrik> Is the demo a separate download ?
#977 [06:53] <cestislife> It's only playable on the browser.
#978 [06:53] <cestislife> http://minecraft.net/demo
#979 [06:53] <Henrik> thanks guys, appreciated.
#980 [06:53] <mindcat> i won't tell everyone this have a glitch for ---- ----
#981 [06:54] <mindcat> i was forgot this channel name oh! sorry...
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#983 [06:57] <Necrodoom> wat
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#994 [08:46] <Male22> I am the father of a 8 yr old player, I have tried email since Mar. 18th etc, i want a investigation to why he was banned in HG.minecrafthungergames.com. I was there and saw nothing wrong, If he did break the rules, fine, but at least let me know why or where can i get a refund?
#995 [08:46] <cestislife> Male22: Mojang does not control the servers run by 3rd parties.
#996 [08:46] <cestislife> Hence we cannot do anything about it.
#997 [08:47] <cestislife> Mojang does not run the servers, just fyi.
#998 [08:47] <Lutzee> You are free to choose a new serverthough
#999 [08:47] <Male22> Hmm...OK so what am I suppose to do? contact them at hungergames?
#1000 [08:47] <Lutzee> you were only banned on one
#1001 [08:47] <Lutzee> You can try that
#1002 [08:48] <clarjon1> Male22: Mojang and ourselves can control the actions of the server owners just as well as car manufacturers control the actions of radio stations :)
#1003 [08:48] <Male22> OK I will try that, thanks as I am a Dad so not really sure about this whole gaming things and what to do. Didnt know it was a 3rd party. Thanks
#1004 [08:48] <Lutzee> Male22: here http://www.minecrafthg.com/contact.php
#1005 [08:48] <clarjon1> Male22: You wouldn't get a refund on your car if a radio station stopped broadcasting, would you? :)
#1006 [08:48] <clarjon1> Male22: Your son needs to find a new server, aka station, to enjoy :)
#1007 [08:48] <Male22> Clarjoni I am not here to argue, try and put yourself in my place
#1008 [08:49] <Male22> I upgraded ranks for my son and his friends
#1009 [08:49] <Lutzee> Male22: I understand the system is confusing for those who dont use it
#1010 [08:49] <Male22> Bought 3 games etc
#1011 [08:49] <Male22> And cant get a return email. would you be frustrated?
#1012 [08:49] <Lutzee> Also theres an "unban" tool on there sight
#1013 [08:49] <Male22> Anyways, I understand now, its a 3rd party. No fault of yourselves
#1014 [08:50] <Lutzee> The mojang emails are trying to catch up as fast as possible, i think theres about an 8 day backlog
#1015 [08:50] <Male22> lutzee correct I am very confused. Thanks for the help in understanding
#1016 [08:51] <Male22> Clarjon and lutzee. Thanks for helping me. I understand a bit more now.
#1017 [08:51] <Male22> Thanks again.
#1018 [08:51] <Male22> Bye
#1019 [08:51] <Lutzee> Bye :)
#1020 [08:51] <Male22> this site is great by the way. took me 3 days to find it thouhg
#1021 [08:52] <Male22> Cya :-)
#1022 [08:52] <clarjon1> Take care!
#1023 [08:52] <Male22> Good job
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#1028 [09:04] <Mike233> Someone help me!
#1029 [09:05] <Mike233> is anyone here?!?!?!
#1030 [09:05] <Mike233> THEY DIDNT FIX THE MAC THING FOR 1.5.1
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#1032 [09:12] <cestislife> Try reinstalling.
#1033 [09:12] <cestislife> ??> Mike233 mac/reinst
#1034 [09:12] <VoxelHead> Mike233: (mac/reinst) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#1035 [09:13] <VoxelHead> Mike233: (mac/reinst) To do so, in the Finder, from the Go menu, select Home. Then open Library, Application Support, and then minecraft. Drag the bin and resources folders to the trash, then try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
#1036 [09:13] <Mike233> k
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#1038 [09:18] <tyteen4a03> cestislife, been here before
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#1046 [09:35] <cestislife> tyteen4a03: I know.
#1047 [09:35] <cestislife> Also, topic.
#1048 [09:36] <tyteen4a03> cestislife, it's just that when people come in screaming I tend to remember their names
#1049 [09:36] <tyteen4a03> I should hide before anybody hates me further
#1050 [09:36] <cestislife> haha
#1051 [09:36] <cestislife> I meant
#1052 [09:36] <cestislife> Topic needs a changing
#1053 [09:37] <cestislife> Unless you can't change it.
#1054 [09:37] <tyteen4a03> cestislife, ?
#1055 [09:37] <cestislife> We're on 1.5.1 now.
#1056 [09:37] <tyteen4a03> it's no longer a prerelease? ok
#1057 [09:38] <cestislife> I am also tired.
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#1060 [09:39] <t0rr> Hi all. I can't login to minecraft through the launcher. Can anyone help ?
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#1062 [09:41] <tyteen4a03> t0rr, what happens when you try?
#1063 [09:41] <t0rr> Hi . I get Login Failed. I can login through the site though
#1064 [09:42] <tyteen4a03> t0rr, make sure you're using your mojang account email to log in
#1065 [09:42] <t0rr> I am. I just registered a new one.
#1066 [09:42] <tyteen4a03> t0rr, registered a new one?
#1067 [09:43] <tyteen4a03> t0rr, have you paid for Minecraft?
#1068 [09:43] <t0rr> Not yet. I want to try it using the launcher. possible ?
#1069 [09:43] <tyteen4a03> ??> t0rr demo
#1070 [09:43] <VoxelHead> t0rr: (demo) You can access a demo version of minecraft, completely free of charge, by visiting http://www.minecraft.net/demo via your browser. The demo on the downloadable launcher has known problems.
#1071 [09:44] <t0rr> mmm... i see.
#1072 [09:45] <t0rr> Do u know if it will be fixed soon ?
#1073 [09:46] <tyteen4a03> t0rr, no
#1074 [09:46] <t0rr> ok. tnx for d help
#1075 [09:47] <tyteen4a03> t0rr, no problem
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#1078 [09:49] <Sarah_l_2013> hi.. i created an account 5 hours ago and still haven't received a confirmstion e-mail. Can you help?
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#1083 [10:09] <bigdrj> Minecraft has stopped running because it encountered a problem; Updating screen events
#1084 [10:09] <bigdrj> anyone know how to fix thos
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#1089 [10:30] <steveno8397> hi, my minecraft is stuck on Updating Minecraft done loading
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#1092 [10:40] <robvangils> i think i found a bug^^
#1093 [10:40] <robvangils> with a smoothstone stair and quarts blocks
#1094 [10:41] <robvangils> when i place a quarts block to the right side of it the the block moves to the top of the stairs
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#1097 [10:52] <Balee> Hi!
#1098 [10:53] <Balee> Can someone direct me to a public MC server to find out whether I'm able to reach servers or not?
#1099 [10:53] <Balee> :o
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#1101 [10:53] <Balee> I should be able to reach my friend's server, but I can't. And since I have no other servers I join, I have no way to test if it's his or my problem.
#1102 [10:55] <Balee> Ah, there's AuBot.
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#1105 [10:58] <Mike233> Did 1.5.1 fix the mac problem
#1106 [10:58] <Mike233> because it still doesnt work
#1107 [10:58] <Mike233> and on the home page of mc it says does not support mac crashing thing
#1108 [10:59] <Mike233> Help someone?
#1109 [10:59] <Mike233> Anyone
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#1111 [11:08] <Balee> Managed to fix it.
#1112 [11:08] <Balee> See ya!
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#1115 [11:08] <Mike233> You guys help so much -_-
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#1128 [11:25] <piebomb101> hi. if i post a crash report can people tell me whats wrong with my minecraft? it keeps crashing
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#1131 [11:27] <FritzJ> Why does Mojang keep asking me security quetions that I did not choose?
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#1133 [11:34] <eXeC64> FritzJ: http://xkcd.com/565/
#1134 [11:35] <eXeC64> Ah, he left. SHame
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#1137 [11:43] <tony_> when I click on the minecraft icon nothing happens now, it worked before what went wrong?
#1138 [11:44] <tony_> anyone have any trouble shooting advise???
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#1142 [11:55] <fwtonix> play someone xbox minecraft
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#1146 [12:00] <Marv> Hi there. I have purchased minecraft and cannot connect to the minecraft server. Minecraft.exe is not blocked by a firewall, I'm connected to the internet - as you see - but nothing happens. What else can I do?
#1147 [12:02] <clarjon1> Are you able to play singleplayer?
#1148 [12:04] <Marv> Singleplayer is ok. I can play offline. I have downloaded the gane but this was possible only one time#
#1149 [12:05] <clarjon1> So, you're unable to log in is what you're saying?
#1150 [12:05] <Marv> Yes
#1151 [12:05] <clarjon1> You've made sure that you're using the correct email and password combination?
#1152 [12:07] <Marv> Yes. everything is correct. When I try to log in there's a messgae "Can't connect to minecraft.net
#1153 [12:08] <clarjon1> What antivirus do you use?
#1154 [12:09] <Marv> AVG Antivirus. I was logged in for one time by update 1.5. The next time login failed
#1155 [12:11] <clarjon1> Hmm, AVG is known to be problematic with minecraft. AVG Internet Security package?
#1156 [12:11] <Marv> Free edition
#1157 [12:13] <clarjon1> ?? win/avg
#1158 [12:13] <VoxelHead> win/avg: AVG's antivirus program is known to interfere with Minecraft's self-update process. You will have to disable AVG's LinkScanner feature for Minecraft to update itself properly.
#1159 [12:13] <VoxelHead> win/avg: Alternatively, uninstall AVG and use Avast! AntiVirus instead. See ?? win/avast
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#1162 [12:16] <Marv> LinkScanner has been deactivated with no effect.
#1163 [12:17] <clarjon1> Are you able to log in from http://minecraft.net/login ?
#1164 [12:17] <Marv> Yes, no problem
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#1166 [12:18] <clarjon1> hmm.
#1167 [12:19] <Marv> That "hmm" is the reason why I'm here
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#1170 [12:22] <clarjon1> Marv: Can you access this link: https://login.minecraft.net/?user=Meep&password=notreal&version=13
#1171 [12:23] <EfEf> so I updated MC to 1.5.1, but when I login, I get a blackscreen where the Mojang logo should be, and the game freezes. Any solutions that are compatible with Mac Lion?
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#1173 [12:23] <Marv> Bad login
#1174 [12:23] <clarjon1> Ok, so it's not that you can't resolve the login server DNS.
#1175 [12:24] <Marv> Is this good or bad?
#1176 [12:25] <Marv> In the meantime ... thank you for your help :)
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#1178 [12:27] <clarjon1> I'm not sure what the issue is. Unfortunately, I have to go now, so I can't debug further. What you could try doing is to open up cmd.exe, and go to the directory with the minecraft.exe, and run it from there, to see if it can give any more detailed error messages that other helpers may be able to assist with :)
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#1180 [12:28] <Marv> Ok. Thanks.
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#1185 [12:35] <shouruan> After 1.5 & 1.5.1 i got only a black screen on my original(unmodded) minecraft on OSX (10.6.8) still after forcing update or deleting everything from minecraft. Any idea?
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#1189 [12:47] <TheCaveGames> pleas help me i cant connect to any servers, it just says connection refused: connect
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#1193 [12:48] <herobrine_creeps> i get this when i crash ---- Minecraft Crash Report ----
#1194 [12:48] <herobrine_creeps> nvm
#1195 [12:55] <shouruan> After 1.5 & 1.5.1 i got only a black screen on my original(unmodded) minecraft on OSX (10.6.8) still after forcing update or deleting everything from minecraft. Any idea?
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#1199 [13:17] <Sball13> hi
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#1218 [14:07] <rainbowgirl> I have accidentally deleted my minecraft world on my samsung tablet is there anything I can do?
#1219 [14:08] <p> hey?
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#1221 [14:08] <Guest92878> hello?
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#1223 [14:08] <rainbowgirl> I have accidentally deleted my minecraft world on my samsung tablet is there anything I can do?
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#1225 [14:09] <k> k
#1226 [14:09] <k> kat
#1227 [14:09] <k> im kat
#1228 [14:09] <k> hello?
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#1234 [14:21] <katiebug522> i got the new update (1.5) and i had an adventure time texture pack and the blocks didnt save or animals whay can i do to get it back?
#1235 [14:21] <katiebug522> what not whay
#1236 [14:22] <katiebug522> you there?
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#1241 [14:23] <katiebug522> hey i got the 1.5 update and i had the adventure time texture pack and the blocks or animals didnt save what can i do to get it back?
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#1243 [14:25] <katiebug522> can anyone answer my question? or how i can email the minecraft help center?
#1244 [14:26] <katiebug522> hello?
#1245 [14:26] <katiebug522> hello?
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#1248 [14:31] <ofna01> Katie
#1249 [14:31] <Gone_Ralex> they left
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#1253 [14:53] <zack> just baught minecraft and hit the download link and it did not download and i already got off the site so what do i need to do to get minecraft on my computer
#1254 [14:54] <Gone_Ralex> zack, http://minecraft.net/download
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#1257 [15:00] <zack> is it supposed to stay on my desktop
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#1259 [15:00] <Gone_Ralex> zack, the exe can be placed usually whereever you want it to
#1260 [15:00] <zack> how do i do that
#1261 [15:00] <Gone_Ralex> zack, when you download the exe, it will usually be placed in the "downloads" folder
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#1263 [15:01] <Gone_Ralex> Just go to that folder and move it to where you want it to be
#1264 [15:03] <zack> ok thank you for your help
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#1273 [15:23] <Kris> I purchased Minecraft yesterday - have a confirmation from moneybrooker but never got the email from minecraft so I can log in
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#1275 [15:24] <wtf> im trying to buy the game but it keeps telling me to verify my email address which ive done twice already
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#1278 [15:25] <DavidC> Does anybody know why 1.5.1 release is broken on my macbook
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#1280 [15:27] <DavidC> I can't open any worlds without it crashing
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#1283 [15:29] <GreyVulpine> DavidC - 1.5 or 1.5.1?
#1284 [15:29] <DavidC> 1.5.1
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#1286 [15:30] <GreyVulpine> Ah, that's out today.
#1287 [15:30] <GreyVulpine> Got a crash report you can share with us via www.pastebin.com ?
#1288 [15:33] <DavidC> http://pastebin.com/yBWpXMCK
#1289 [15:34] <Gone_Ralex> You have mods which are breaking it
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#1293 [15:35] <DavidC> i only have SPC
#1294 [15:35] <DavidC> is that my problem?
#1295 [15:35] <Gone_Ralex> Probably
#1296 [15:35] <Gone_Ralex> (considering SPC is only for 1.5)
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#1298 [15:37] <DavidC> OK i will try that thhen
#1299 [15:37] <DavidC> thank you
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#1311 [15:56] <Ari> hey
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#1313 [15:56] <Chimpan> Hi, how do I make a new online server?
#1314 [15:56] <Ari> is there a known problem with he 1.5 and 256x paintings?
#1315 [15:57] <Ari> they are just white with some black spots
#1316 [15:57] <Ari> if i scale the .png down to 128x it works finde
#1317 [15:57] <Ari> -d
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#1324 [16:22] <aaruiz> Can minecraft run on window 8
#1325 [16:22] <DiskDaemon> of course
#1326 [16:22] <TheWyatt2012> probably
#1327 [16:22] <TheWyatt2012> not sure why it wouldn't
#1328 [16:22] <DiskDaemon> ANy issues that a windows 8 machine may have, will be typically due to similar reasons on windows 7
#1329 [16:23] <aaruiz> window 7 it wont download to my computer its having troubles, when i save it says publisher .xe couldn't be verify any ideas why
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#1331 [16:23] <jeffrey> hi
#1332 [16:23] <DiskDaemon> aaruiz: May we see a screenshot of the problem?
#1333 [16:24] * jeffrey is now known as Guest12646
#1334 [16:24] <Guest12646> hi
#1335 [16:24] <Guest12646> hello
#1336 [16:24] <aaruiz> hey the thing im a gamestop rep helping a customer to do this. Can i send him this link so you guys could help him out?
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#1338 [16:25] <TheWyatt2012> why is someone calling gamestop about minecraft
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#1340 [16:25] <DiskDaemon> okay - but it might be useful too if we can help you to gain the knowledge to help other customers too in similar situations :)
#1341 [16:25] <GreyVulpine> TheWyatt2012 - Probably because gamestop sells the prepaid minecraft cards
#1342 [16:26] <TheWyatt2012> ...for what
#1343 [16:26] <aaruiz> its a elderly person but you guess is good as mine and i came across this form by clicking around the website
#1344 [16:26] <GreyVulpine> For minecraft
#1345 [16:26] <TheWyatt2012> for what in minecraft
#1346 [16:26] <aaruiz> you still want the screenshot?
#1347 [16:26] <GreyVulpine> TheWyatt2012 - For purchasing minecraft.
#1348 [16:26] <TheWyatt2012> why don't they just buy it online
#1349 [16:26] <GreyVulpine> No credit card, online redemption doesn't work, paypal/moneybookers isn't allowed in their state/country
#1350 [16:27] <DiskDaemon> aaruiz: THe download issue is likely due to a particular security setting in internet explorer, but I cannot say more than that, or give answers on how to resolve it, without knowing specifics about the situations. That is, a screenshot of the problem.
#1351 [16:27] <aaruiz> again you guess is good as mine
#1352 [16:27] <Guest12646> can you plssssssssssssssssssss give me a code for minecraft because my mom doesn't let me buy it nad i love minecraft with all my heart and want to play really bad. its the only almost the game i love
#1353 [16:27] <DiskDaemon> Guest12646: No.
#1354 [16:27] <aaruiz> can i paste the screen shot on here?
#1355 [16:28] <TheWyatt2012> go for it
#1356 [16:28] <DiskDaemon> Guest12646: We do not work for Mojang. We are volunteers from around the world who love the game, and try to help others to enjoy it too
#1357 [16:28] <DiskDaemon> aaruiz: imgur or other image hosting sites are good for that.
#1358 [16:28] <Guest12646> oh ok
#1359 [16:28] <aaruiz> why would someone ask a code on here
#1360 [16:28] <Guest12646> so help me enjoy it
#1361 [16:29] <DiskDaemon> Guest12646: I'm not going to give you my money. Hell no.
#1362 [16:29] <GreyVulpine> Guest12646 - That's not in our job description.
#1363 [16:29] <Guest12646> nonono
#1364 [16:29] <Guest12646> im not asking that i tought you where from mohjong
#1365 [16:29] <GreyVulpine> Nobody here is from Mojang.
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#1367 [16:30] <aaruiz> quick question where would i direct a person with this problem to mojang, by going to the website and filling a ticket?
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#1369 [16:30] <DiskDaemon> aaruiz: Direct them to here - we are the best front-line support that Mojang has.
#1370 [16:30] <aaruiz> hahahahaha ok thanks guys i send the link to him
#1371 [16:30] <DiskDaemon> Which is why they link directly to us from their website too.
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#1373 [16:31] <hulken2012> i suspect that someone has changes my pasword, what can i do?
#1374 [16:31] <DiskDaemon> hulken2012: DO you want to contact Mojang about a hacked account?
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#1376 [16:31] <hulken2012> yes, i wil
#1377 [16:31] <DiskDaemon> hulken2012: Please see http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/361483-my-account-was-hacked
#1378 [16:32] <hulken2012> thx, i try the link
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#1382 [16:33] <Ari> no ideas about my problem? :S
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#1385 [16:35] <Ari> here is a screen http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/080/7/9/2013_03_21_16_13_01_by_ariakus89-d5yrk2t.png
#1386 [16:35] <Ari> that should be a wall of paintings...
#1387 [16:36] <Syfaro> I don't see it on the bug reports list, so I'm not sure
#1388 [16:36] <DiskDaemon> Ari: Are you using any mod, such as optifine? If so, try without them
#1389 [16:36] <DiskDaemon> Ari: This could also be a good opportunity for you to report the bug that you are having
#1390 [16:37] <Ari> without optifine the texture pack wouldnt work
#1391 [16:37] <DiskDaemon> I thought that Minecraft now supports HD textures by default?
#1392 [16:37] <Syfaro> I believe it does
#1393 [16:37] <Ari> oh
#1394 [16:37] <Ari> hmm
#1395 [16:37] <Ari> wait a sec^^
#1396 [16:37] <Lord_Ralex> afaik optifine and mcpatcher are no longer required for hd textures
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#1398 [16:38] <Elwuira> Hello, i tried to download mods, but it won't let me open minecraft.jar
#1399 [16:39] <DiskDaemon> Elwuira: Sorry, but we don't support mods here
#1400 [16:39] <Syfaro> ??> Elwuira mods
#1401 [16:39] <VoxelHead> Elwuira: (mods) This channel is not a venue for mod support, or support for modded clients or servers. As it is impossible for anybody to know every combination of mods out there, this channel does not assist with unofficial third-party modded content.
#1402 [16:39] <VoxelHead> Elwuira: (mods) For single player mods, contact the mod's creator or try http://tiny.cc/modinstall for general installation instructions. For bukkit help, use #bukkit; you can also search Google for a mod's installation instructions.
#1403 [16:39] <Elwuira> God damnit.
#1404 [16:39] <DiskDaemon> Elwuira: Would you like to know where to go for instructions and such?
#1405 [16:39] <Elwuira> Yes
#1406 [16:39] <DiskDaemon> Elwuira: Instructions can be found at http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Mods/Installing_Mods
#1407 [16:40] <Elwuira> Thank you
#1408 [16:40] <Elwuira> Btw, are there any swedish helpcenter?
#1409 [16:40] <Elwuira> No?
#1410 [16:40] <Elwuira> D:
#1411 [16:40] <GreyVulpine> Not aware of any.
#1412 [16:40] <Ari> ok
#1413 [16:40] <DiskDaemon> not that I know of
#1414 [16:40] <Ari> same thing without optifine
#1415 [16:40] <Elwuira> God damnit. Wel, i guess i should be going then.
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#1417 [16:41] <DiskDaemon> Ari: Good, not you know that it's not due to a mod, and can happily go about reporting it as a bug
#1418 [16:41] <Ari> yay :D
#1419 [16:42] <Ari> im glad my kz. png are not the problem^^
#1420 [16:42] <Ari> pngs
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#1422 [16:44] <Oxymoron> Uh, I'm not sure how this got here, but I seem to have a folder generated on my desktop called "Mojang - Makers of Minecraft_files". It contains screenshots, as wel as a bunch of files ending in .js. (JavaScript?)
#1423 [16:44] <Oxymoron> Why do I have that?
#1424 [16:44] <DiskDaemon> Oxymoron: It's not related to anything that we know of Minecraft - feel free to delete it
#1425 [16:45] <Oxymoron> Well. It's weird. I don't remember downloading it at any point.
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#1427 [16:46] <DiskDaemon> Oxymoron: There will be a date/time for when the folder was created, which might help to point you towards a clue
#1428 [16:46] <Oxymoron> Okay. Let me check.
#1429 [16:46] <Oxymoron> March 15th. That was when 1.5 released, right?
#1430 [16:47] <Lord_Ralex> no
#1431 [16:47] <DiskDaemon> it was a few days before that when it was released, the 13th
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#1433 [16:48] <Wookimonsta> ello
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#1435 [16:48] <Oxymoron> Hmm. Then...
#1436 [16:48] <Oxymoron> I'm the only one who has this?
#1437 [16:48] <Wookimonsta> i was wondering
#1438 [16:48] <DiskDaemon> that you are
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#1440 [16:48] <Wookimonsta> if anyone could give me a bit of technical support?
#1441 [16:48] <bloop> guys i need help
#1442 [16:48] <Wookimonsta> but it seems a bit busy
#1443 [16:49] <bloop> i tried to put on optifine but now the grass is all gray
#1444 [16:49] <bloop> i tried force update but it aint workin
#1445 [16:49] <DiskDaemon> bloop: Sorry, but we don't support mods here
#1446 [16:49] <Lord_Ralex> Oxymoron, can you show what some of those screenshots are?
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#1448 [16:50] <Oxymoron> They're just the same two screenshots we got when Mojang released the 1.5 prerelease.
#1449 [16:50] <Lord_Ralex> part of me things it might be a copy of mojang.com which uses that name
#1450 [16:50] <Lord_Ralex> Oxymoron, can you screenshot the folder?
#1451 [16:50] <Oxymoron> ...Doh. I think I know where the folder came from.
#1452 [16:50] <Oxymoron> Or not.
#1453 [16:51] <Oxymoron> Okay. How do I upload screenshots? Photobucket or something?
#1454 [16:51] <Lord_Ralex> I use http://imgur.com
#1455 [16:51] <Lord_Ralex> Press Alt+prtscr with the window selected, then ctrl+v on imgur.com
#1456 [16:52] <Syfaro> Lord_Ralex: you can ctrl+v on imgur.com?
#1457 [16:52] <Lord_Ralex> Syfaro, yes
#1458 [16:52] <Syfaro> wow
#1459 [16:52] <Lord_Ralex> been able to for a while
#1460 [16:52] <Lord_Ralex> and don't need an account
#1461 [16:52] <Syfaro> my whole life is changed
#1462 [16:53] <Lord_Ralex> http://i.imgur.com/qOoPwvC.png
#1463 [16:53] <Oxymoron> Here's one. http://imgur.com/AfTFAwY
#1464 [16:53] <Lord_Ralex> Oxymoron, can you screenshot the files inside
#1465 [16:53] <Oxymoron> Uploading right now.
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#1467 [16:54] <Nora> Umm, I can't start my minecraft on my mac?
#1468 [16:54] <Nora> any help?
#1469 [16:55] <Oxymoron> Are you using 10.8?
#1470 [16:55] <Nora> 10.7.5
#1471 [16:55] <Oxymoron> Mountain Lion?
#1472 [16:55] <Oxymoron> Oh.
#1473 [16:55] <Oxymoron> Uh, NVM then.
#1474 [16:55] <Lord_Ralex> Nora, are you getting an error
#1475 [16:55] <Nora> nope, nothing
#1476 [16:55] <Nora> no error
#1477 [16:55] <Nora> when I launch, small icon appears
#1478 [16:55] <Nora> but when I click, it just dissappears
#1479 [16:55] * Smanly|Away is now known as Smanly
#1480 [16:56] <Oxymoron> Are you clicking and dragging the icon out of the dock or something?
#1481 [16:56] <Oxymoron> http://imgur.com/y1kURhI
#1482 [16:56] <Oxymoron> http://imgur.com/wyZp8Zr
#1483 [16:56] <Oxymoron> http://imgur.com/BGGPbCn
#1484 [16:56] <Lord_Ralex> yeah
#1485 [16:56] <Oxymoron> Okay. Those are the screenshots.
#1486 [16:56] <Nora> Nope, just clicking
#1487 [16:56] <Lord_Ralex> Oxymoron, looks like a copy of the mojang site
#1488 [16:56] <Nora> But it just disappears
#1489 [16:57] * GreyVulpine agrees with Lord_Ralex
#1489 [16:57] <DiskDaemon> Oh, I know what that is
#1490 [16:57] <Oxymoron> Uh, let me test something.
#1491 [16:57] <DiskDaemon> The folder is to support a web page that you have saved to your computer
#1492 [16:57] <Nora> ok, thanks
#1493 [16:58] <Oxymoron> I just tried saving a website, and it downloaded as an HTML file.
#1494 [16:58] <Nora> ohh, that wasn't for me lol
#1495 [16:58] <DiskDaemon> Oxymoron: It can depend on how you save it, and from which web browser
#1496 [16:58] <Oxymoron> I've hit Command S a few times. I'm using Chrome BTW.
#1497 [16:58] <DiskDaemon> Oxymoron: SO apply my first piece of advice to you about this - delete it
#1498 [16:59] <Oxymoron> Well, that still makes sense. Okay then.
#1499 [16:59] <Oxymoron> OH. I get it now. I get an HTML file AND a folder.
#1500 [17:00] <Lord_Ralex> Nora, my knowledge of macs really is not much, so i cannot really help .-.
#1501 [17:00] <Nora> its, ok. Thanks anyways Lord!
#1502 [17:01] <aaruiz> so i refer that guy to you, any luck with the guy?
#1503 [17:01] <aaruiz> disk daemon
#1504 [17:02] <Wookimonsta> so anyways
#1505 [17:02] <DiskDaemon> aaruiz: Just to this channel - there's no guarantee that any person will be here when they arrive
#1506 [17:02] <Wookimonsta> anyone can give me some tech support?
#1507 [17:03] <Lord_Ralex> Wookimonsta, have you said what your issue was?
#1508 [17:03] <aaruiz> true true thanks for the help
#1509 [17:03] <Wookimonsta> well, whenever i try to login
#1510 [17:03] <Wookimonsta> i get divide by zero
#1511 [17:03] <Wookimonsta> and game crashes
#1512 [17:03] <Lord_Ralex> Wookimonsta, you get a crash report?
#1513 [17:03] <Wookimonsta> yep
#1514 [17:03] <Lord_Ralex> can you pastebin that for us
#1515 [17:03] <Lord_Ralex> ??> Wookimonsta pastebin
#1516 [17:03] <VoxelHead> Wookimonsta: (pastebin) Pastebin is a service run at http://www.pastebin.com/ which facilitates the sharing of information without flooding IRC channels. Paste your text there, click 'Submit', and give us the URL the site takes you to, and we can see what you have pasted.
#1517 [17:04] <Wookimonsta> let me get right on that
#1518 [17:04] <Wookimonsta> http://pastebin.com/uHmKdk86
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#1520 [17:05] <DiskDaemon> problematic frame with the ati dll file - that's old graphics drivers causing the problem
#1521 [17:05] <Wookimonsta> oh
#1522 [17:05] <Wookimonsta> i got the new beta drivers
#1523 [17:05] <Wookimonsta> should i try the normal ones?
#1524 [17:05] <DiskDaemon> I have to head off now - Lord_Ralex: want to carry on with him?
#1525 [17:05] <Lord_Ralex> use the latest stable
#1526 [17:05] <Lord_Ralex> DiskDaemon, sure
#1527 [17:05] <Wookimonsta> ok
#1528 [17:05] <DiskDaemon> cheers
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#1531 [17:06] <Lord_Ralex> woah
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#1533 [17:06] <Lord_Ralex> i see nvidia and ati loading stuff in that ?_?
#1534 [17:06] <Lord_Ralex> nvm
#1535 [17:06] <Lord_Ralex> ignore that
#1536 [17:07] <Dproncs> hello so i change my password and it says its changed and when i try to log in it says invalid username or password and yes i checked the username it is correct
#1537 [17:07] <Pockethelp> I have a large world on minecraft pe on the ipad that I would like to copy to another ipad. When I try, it only copies part of the world....any suggestions?
#1538 [17:08] <Lord_Ralex> Dproncs, where are you logging in at?
#1539 [17:08] <Dproncs> both of them
#1540 [17:08] <Pockethelp> On a home network
#1541 [17:08] <Dproncs> ive tried bothh
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#1543 [17:08] <Lord_Ralex> Wookimonsta, also, unrelated to your issue, you hsould also install the Java 64bit since you have a 64-bit OS
#1544 [17:08] <Lord_Ralex> Dragonene, where
#1545 [17:08] <Wookimonsta> i have 64 bit java
#1546 [17:09] <Lord_Ralex> where are you logging in and getting that error
#1547 [17:09] <Lord_Ralex> Wookimonsta, logs only show 32-bit
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#1549 [17:09] <Lord_Ralex> Wookimonsta, you have to manually download the 64-bit one, the site usually does not give that
#1550 [17:09] <Wookimonsta> jre-7u17-windows-x64 no?
#1551 [17:09] <Lord_Ralex> Wookimonsta, have you installed that?
#1552 [17:10] <Wookimonsta> yep
#1553 [17:10] <Lord_Ralex> Wookimonsta, your minecraft is using java 6 32-bit atm
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#1555 [17:10] <Wookimonsta> ok...
#1556 [17:10] <Ari> ok thx for your help
#1557 [17:10] <Ari> i will report that tomorrow
#1558 [17:10] <Ari> good n8
#1559 [17:10] <Lord_Ralex> Wookimonsta, first let's do the gpu things first
#1560 [17:10] <Wookimonsta> right
#1561 [17:10] <Wookimonsta> i installed normal drivers
#1562 [17:10] <Wookimonsta> still no go
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#1564 [17:10] <Lord_Ralex> ??> Wookimonsta win/dxdiag/bat
#1565 [17:11] <VoxelHead> Wookimonsta: (win/dxdiag/bat) Please download this file. Save it anywhere and run it. After a while it will show you a textfile. Paste the contents of that file on www.pastebin.com copy the link you are sent to, and paste it to us.
#1566 [17:11] <VoxelHead> Wookimonsta: (win/dxdiag/bat) Windows DxDiag Collector: http://mcfaq.hfbgaming.com/tools/CreateDxdiag.bat
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#1568 [17:12] <Wookimonsta> http://pastebin.com/eumju5UF
#1569 [17:12] <Lord_Ralex> Wookimonsta, quick lookup, some suggest uninstalling the drivers and then reinstalling
#1570 [17:12] <Wookimonsta> right o
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#1572 [17:13] <Wookimonsta> alright, well i will go do that, and apparently thatll take a bit
#1573 [17:13] <Wookimonsta> if it doesn't work i will check in again tomorrow
#1574 [17:13] <Wookimonsta> thanks for the help
#1575 [17:13] <MeilirRhys2012> I want to know why my server wont work
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#1577 [17:14] <MeilirRhys2012> ive done the port forwarding and everything but it just cant connect
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#1581 [17:14] <kodir> help!
#1582 [17:14] <Dproncs> I changed the password to the password i want and when i log in it says invalid password HELP ME
#1583 [17:14] <Dproncs> I changed the password to the password i want and when i log in it says invalid password HELP ME
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#1587 [17:16] <boss> i cant figure out how to multi play ...my kids cant see each other and the multi player accress says server cant be found
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#1591 [17:19] <xXENDERBENDERXx> Can anyone explain why I paid for another Minecraft download that open is SP and not a full version?
#1592 [17:21] <xXENDERBENDERXx> If not I am reversing the charge with my bank.
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#1595 [17:23] <xXENDERBENDERXx> Is there help here at help chat or not?!?!
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#1600 [17:29] <noel> hello
#1601 [17:29] <noel> hello
#1602 [17:29] <noel> hello
#1603 [17:29] <noel> can someone help me
#1604 [17:29] <Syfaro> what's your problem
#1605 [17:29] <xXENDERBENDERXx> No
#1606 [17:30] <noel> i can not make a server
#1607 [17:30] <Syfaro> xXENDERBENDERXx: what exactly do you mean?
#1608 [17:30] <xXENDERBENDERXx> I cannot get full ver after paying for full ver.
#1609 [17:30] <Syfaro> noel: can't make a server in what way?
#1610 [17:30] <xXENDERBENDERXx> We just paid $27 for full ver and it comes up as SP again.
#1611 [17:31] <Syfaro> xXENDERBENDERXx: are you sure that you're opening up the correct launcher?
#1612 [17:31] <xXENDERBENDERXx> The one downloaded from the link in the email.
#1613 [17:31] <noel> i put 65.647.44.76:25567 and says cant reach server
#1614 [17:31] <xXENDERBENDERXx> https://s3.amazonaws.com/MinecraftDownload/launcher/Minecraft.exe
#1615 [17:31] <Syfaro> xXENDERBENDERXx: try force updating
#1616 [17:31] <Syfaro> ??> xXENDERBENDERXx forceupdate
#1617 [17:31] <xXENDERBENDERXx> did
#1618 [17:31] <VoxelHead> xXENDERBENDERXx: (forceupdate) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#1619 [17:31] <Syfaro> oh
#1620 [17:31] <VoxelHead> xXENDERBENDERXx: (forceupdate) To do so, start Minecraft, press 'Options' (above the 'Login' button), Press 'Force update!', then press 'Done', and login to Minecraft. See http://i.imgur.com/5b09B.png for visual instructions.
#1621 [17:31] <Syfaro> noel: did you port forward?
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#1623 [17:32] <noel> what do you mean
#1624 [17:32] <Syfaro> noel: to get to a server from outside your house to you have to port forward
#1625 [17:32] <Syfaro> xXENDERBENDERXx: can you screenshot the launcher when it opens? (before you log in)
#1626 [17:33] <noel> so i make a house in single player
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#1628 [17:33] <Syfaro> noel: ?
#1629 [17:34] <noel> i join a lot of srevers i wanna make 1 my one
#1630 [17:34] <noel> i join a lot of srevers i wanna make 1 my one
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#1633 [17:34] <Syfaro> noel: to make a server that other people (outside of your house) can join, you have to portforward
#1634 [17:35] <noel> waht is portfoward Syfaro
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#1636 [17:36] <noel> SYFARO
#1637 [17:36] <Syfaro> noel: go here http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/routerindex.htm , find your router, and follow the instructions for Minecraft
#1638 [17:36] <xXENDERBENDERXx> 1 sec
#1639 [17:36] <noel> OK THANKS
#1640 [17:36] <Dragonene> highlighting me, are we?
#1641 [17:36] <Dragonene> tab completion <3
#1642 [17:38] <xXENDERBENDERXx> So, uninstalled what was listed in Programs and Features, launched from new exe file, force, it looked like a new load, but getting into the game looks like SP again.
#1643 [17:39] <Syfaro> that's odd, I'm not sure how that would happen. are you sure that it isn't SP? try logging onto some random server and seeing if it works
#1644 [17:41] <xXENDERBENDERXx> renamed .mincraft to force all new. Just updated.
#1645 [17:41] <xXENDERBENDERXx> Stdby
#1646 [17:41] <xXENDERBENDERXx> my last seems to have done it
#1647 [17:41] <xXENDERBENDERXx> Recreated whole folder
#1648 [17:42] <xXENDERBENDERXx> Done!
#1649 [17:42] <xXENDERBENDERXx> Thanks!
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#1662 [17:50] <Et> I just installed LogBlock, but I can't find the commands use it. Anyone know where to find them?
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#1670 [18:09] <jay> i tried to login and i got a message that minecraft has crashed.....where do i send email with file and error message to fix this? thanks
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#1672 [18:11] <benhunter09> I can't help if you leave can I :(
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#1675 [18:15] <kevinperkins> wanted to know if the demo was having problems or is it me?
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#1677 [18:16] <benhunter09> kevinperkins: are you trying the demo on the website or on the launcher?
#1678 [18:16] <kevinperkins> website
#1679 [18:17] <benhunter09> Does it give an error?
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#1681 [18:18] <kevinperkins> it just flashes then goes to a explorer page that says the web page is unavailable
#1682 [18:19] <kevinperkins> i was just trying to see how the game looked from my pc before paid for it
#1683 [18:19] <tyteen4a03> kevinperkins, try google chrome
#1684 [18:19] <tyteen4a03> kevinperkins, also, have you installed Java?
#1685 [18:19] <kevinperkins> ok I will try google chrome.
#1686 [18:19] <kevinperkins> yep I installed java
#1687 [18:20] <benhunter09> I'm still learning tyteen4a03 :P
#1688 [18:20] <clarjon1> .check 71.63.131.34
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#1690 [18:20] <kevinperkins> thank you I will try that for now
#1691 [18:20] <clarjon1> !check 71.63.131.34
#1692 [18:20] <susimies> heya
#1693 [18:20] <susimies> i got some questions about buying this game as a gift
#1694 [18:21] <tyteen4a03> susimies, shoot
#1695 [18:21] <tyteen4a03> ??> susimies scold/pm
#1696 [18:21] <VoxelHead> susimies: (scold/pm) We prefer to assist people publicly, so that others can benefit if they have similar questions. Please don't PM people who are assisting you unless they have asked you to, or you are sending private information.
#1697 [18:22] <susimies> no PMing?
#1698 [18:22] <tyteen4a03> susimies, nope
#1699 [18:22] <susimies> ok, well my GF has littlebrother that has AD/HD and is behaves badly
#1700 [18:23] <susimies> and i promised him this game if he acts good
#1701 [18:23] <susimies> shall i cotninue here
#1702 [18:23] <tyteen4a03> susimies, sure
#1703 [18:24] <susimies> well i was wondering is there any way for me to get him some time banns or timeouts
#1704 [18:24] <susimies> when i have boght this game
#1705 [18:24] <tyteen4a03> susimies, Minecraft doesn't have that feature built-in
#1706 [18:24] <susimies> well i was hoping something like contacting you guys
#1707 [18:24] <susimies> and u could add lets say 3days bann
#1708 [18:24] <tyteen4a03> susimies, Minecraft is a decentralized game - Mojang has nothing to do with how you run it
#1709 [18:25] <susimies> hmmmm
#1710 [18:25] <tyteen4a03> susimies, however you can use other methods such as removing Minecraft.exe (that works surprisingly well for kids), removing actual Minecraft files, and blocking Java
#1711 [18:25] <susimies> yeeeah, hes 13 and he can isntalllit back too easily
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#1713 [18:26] <susimies> only way to block him from playing is ip bann
#1714 [18:26] <tyteen4a03> susimies, once you download Minecraft, it's yours
#1715 [18:26] <Syfaro> you can blacklist files in Windows using parental controls IIRC
#1716 [18:26] <susimies> hmmmm
#1717 [18:26] <Syfaro> and you can prevent him from getting online to login by adding a line in the hosts file
#1718 [18:27] <susimies> sounds good, but i need to get to his laptop
#1719 [18:27] <susimies> witch is not easy
#1720 [18:27] <Syfaro> :/
#1721 [18:27] <Syfaro> you could change the account password
#1722 [18:27] <susimies> he has his own account :P
#1723 [18:27] <tyteen4a03> susimies, does he know how to turn the laptop off completely?
#1724 [18:27] <Syfaro> like the Minecraft account password
#1725 [18:28] <susimies> im shure he does
#1726 [18:28] * tyteen4a03 crosses off remote control
#1726 [18:28] <susimies> and im not living near them atm
#1727 [18:28] <susimies> theres 3h drive
#1728 [18:28] <susimies> so i can't be there allthe time :D
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#1731 [18:29] <susimies> thats why i was hoping you guys have some power over this game and its online playing
#1732 [18:29] <tyteen4a03> susimies, we don't
#1733 [18:29] <tyteen4a03> susimies, we're not Mojang
#1734 [18:29] <susimies> yeah :/
#1735 [18:30] <susimies> damn.... i need to find some other ways to punish the little rascal when he misbehaves too badly
#1736 [18:30] <tyteen4a03> susimies, is there anybody with him?
#1737 [18:31] <susimies> he has sister and mother
#1738 [18:31] <susimies> but the mom is pampering the kid
#1739 [18:31] <tyteen4a03> susimies, an older sister?
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#1741 [18:31] <susimies> thats why hes spoiled
#1742 [18:31] <Bradley> hello
#1743 [18:31] <tyteen4a03> hi Bradley
#1744 [18:31] <Syfaro> as I said, you can change his Minecraft account password to something else which only you know
#1745 [18:31] <susimies> yeah but the kid is reeeally agressive towars her
#1746 [18:31] <Syfaro> you can do that from anywhere
#1747 [18:31] * tyteen4a03 crosses off Minecraft on a stick
#1747 [18:32] <susimies> how can i do that?
#1748 [18:32] <tyteen4a03> susimies, yeah, as Syfaro said, you can register a Mojang account for him
#1749 [18:32] <susimies> he has his own account/emails and all
#1750 [18:32] <susimies> hmmm
#1751 [18:32] <Bradley> i need help can any one help me?
#1752 [18:32] <tyteen4a03> susimies, well don't gift that account
#1753 [18:32] <Syfaro> susimies: you can change the email, password, etc.
#1754 [18:32] <tyteen4a03> ??> Bradley ask
#1755 [18:32] <VoxelHead> Bradley: (ask) Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help with, and be as specific as possible.
#1756 [18:32] <susimies> well i could let him use this one
#1757 [18:32] <VoxelHead> Bradley: (ask) If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#1758 [18:32] <susimies> there is no way to change the email?
#1759 [18:33] <Syfaro> you can
#1760 [18:33] <Syfaro> if it's a Mojang account
#1761 [18:33] <tyteen4a03> susimies, you want a separate account, have him always log in using that account, and block off account.mojang.com using hosts file
#1762 [18:33] <Syfaro> tyteen4a03: [17:28] <susimies> and im not living near them atm
#1763 [18:33] <tyteen4a03> Syfaro, just needs to do it one time
#1764 [18:33] <Syfaro> OH
#1765 [18:33] <Syfaro> misread that
#1766 [18:33] <tyteen4a03> he has no need to go there anyways
#1767 [18:33] <Bradley> ok I keep on getining an error or something on minecraft it says Java(TM) Platform SE binary has Stopped Working how do i fix this
#1768 [18:34] <Syfaro> and accounts.mojang.com
#1769 [18:34] <Lord_Ralex> tyteen4a03, but lastlogin would need to be deleted when the account needs to be disabled
#1770 [18:34] <tyteen4a03> Lord_Ralex, eh?
#1771 [18:34] <Lord_Ralex> tyteen4a03, offline mode
#1772 [18:34] <Bradley> hahha
#1773 [18:34] <tyteen4a03> Lord_Ralex, oh right
#1774 [18:34] <susimies> host file?
#1775 [18:34] <tyteen4a03> Bradley, has Minecraft worked before?
#1776 [18:35] <tyteen4a03> susimies, a file in Windows system that reroutes websites (can also block off websites)
#1777 [18:35] <Bradley> yes until i just did the update then it stoped
#1778 [18:35] <Syfaro> susimies: C:\Windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts
#1779 [18:35] <Syfaro> IIRC
#1780 [18:35] <tyteen4a03> ??> Bradley win/reinst
#1781 [18:35] <VoxelHead> Bradley: (win/reinst) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#1782 [18:35] <VoxelHead> Bradley: (win/reinst) To do so, press your Windows+R keys, type in %AppData% at the dialog, and press Enter. In the window that appears, open the .minecraft directory, and delete everything except for the saves directory that you see therein. Then, try running Minecraft again. Good luck!
#1783 [18:36] <tyteen4a03> Syfaro, Lord_Ralex: I am thinking hosts + proxy server
#1784 [18:36] <tyteen4a03> actually nvm
#1785 [18:36] <Syfaro> tyteen4a03: that sounds like a pain to set up
#1786 [18:36] <Lord_Ralex> ^
#1787 [18:36] <tyteen4a03> why do I always forget offline mode
#1788 [18:36] <Bradley> GOING TO GO TEST
#1789 [18:37] <Lord_Ralex> you can set up windows live parental controsl
#1790 [18:37] <Lord_Ralex> blcok apps w/o being there
#1791 [18:37] <tyteen4a03> Lord_Ralex, oh that exists
#1792 [18:37] <Lord_Ralex> able to remotely allow and disallow
#1793 [18:37] <Syfaro> that's cool
#1794 [18:37] <susimies> but i need to installs oem files to his laptop
#1795 [18:37] <Syfaro> never heard of it before
#1796 [18:37] <Bradley> Might be Working
#1797 [18:37] <tyteen4a03> susimies, you only need to do it one time
#1798 [18:37] <Lord_Ralex> Syfaro, i know win7 has it
#1799 [18:38] <Lord_Ralex> part of Windows Live Essentials
#1800 [18:38] <tyteen4a03> Lord_Ralex, built-in isn't the same one as Live, is it?
#1801 [18:38] <susimies> could informe step by step :D?
#1802 [18:38] <Syfaro> tyteen4a03: different, I imagine
#1803 [18:38] <Lord_Ralex> tyteen4a03, nope
#1804 [18:38] <Bradley> WTF still not working
#1805 [18:38] <tyteen4a03> yeah
#1806 [18:38] <Lord_Ralex> built-in is not as good as the live one
#1807 [18:38] <tyteen4a03> ??> Bradley win/dxdiag/bat
#1808 [18:38] <VoxelHead> Bradley: (win/dxdiag/bat) Please download this file. Save it anywhere and run it. After a while it will show you a textfile. Paste the contents of that file on www.pastebin.com copy the link you are sent to, and paste it to us.
#1809 [18:38] <VoxelHead> Bradley: (win/dxdiag/bat) Windows DxDiag Collector: http://mcfaq.hfbgaming.com/tools/CreateDxdiag.bat
#1810 [18:38] <tyteen4a03> susimies, you will need the laptop present I think
#1811 [18:38] <Lord_Ralex> initially you will
#1812 [18:39] <tyteen4a03> I still liked my idea of Minecraft on a stick but oh wel
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#1814 [18:39] <Bradley> ok i am at that site
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#1816 [18:40] <susimies> gonna have a smoke but please do tellme anyway i can "ban" him from playing for some time, until he acts nice agen
#1817 [18:40] <Lord_Ralex> let me mess around with the live thing a bit
#1818 [18:40] <Lord_Ralex> see what i can do with it
#1819 [18:40] <tyteen4a03> Bradley, do you have DxDiag.txt's contents in your clipboard?
#1820 [18:40] <tyteen4a03> Lord_Ralex, I can be your test dummy
#1821 [18:40] <Lord_Ralex> tyteen4a03, na
#1822 [18:40] * tyteen4a03 hides
#1822 [18:40] <Bradley> no
#1823 [18:41] <Lord_Ralex> you are still a dummy though tyteen4a03 :P
#1824 [18:41] <tyteen4a03> Lord_Ralex, <3
#1825 [18:41] <tyteen4a03> Bradley, have you used the bat file to generate a file called DxDiag.txt, which should be on your desktop?
#1826 [18:41] <Bradley> yep
#1827 [18:42] <tyteen4a03> Bradley, open up DxDiag.txt, copy everything in it, then head to pastebin.com, paste it in the big white box, click Submit then give us the link
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#1830 [18:42] <Bradley> Ok I am lost
#1831 [18:42] <tyteen4a03> Bradley, one step at a time
#1832 [18:42] <sketchman1981> I'm having issues with being disconnected from my server, getting the message " java.net.socketexception: software somethin or other cause disconnect
#1833 [18:43] <sketchman1981> Any ideas how to actually fix this? All I've found online does nothing to fix it
#1834 [18:43] <tyteen4a03> sketchman1981, turn off your antivirus and firewall on both sides
#1835 [18:43] <Bradley> who do i send ot to
#1836 [18:43] <tyteen4a03> Bradley, open up DxDiag.txt, copy everything in it, then head to pastebin.com, paste it in the big white box, click Submit then give us the link
#1837 [18:43] <sketchman1981> turn it off? I've added it to the exceptions of both the firewall and the antivirus shouldn't have anything to do with it.
#1838 [18:44] <Bradley> ok i need to know who to send it to
#1839 [18:44] <tyteen4a03> sketchman1981, most of the time it does, so it's easier to turn it off rather than exceptioning Minecraft
#1840 [18:44] <tyteen4a03> Bradley, the link?
#1841 [18:45] <Bradley> http://pastebin.com/LkVYnTcW
#1842 [18:45] <Bradley> is that right
#1843 [18:45] <tyteen4a03> Bradley, yes
#1844 [18:45] <sketchman1981> except that it leaves my computer unprotected. So what kind of fix is that?
#1845 [18:45] <tyteen4a03> Bradley, are you using a texture pack?
#1846 [18:45] <Bradley> nope
#1847 [18:45] <tyteen4a03> sketchman1981, if you are behind a router you don't need a firewall
#1848 [18:45] <sketchman1981> I've always had them running, and it's never caused an issue before.
#1849 [18:46] <sketchman1981> only recently. Which makes me think it's something to do with the updates in minecraft
#1850 [18:47] <Bradley> can it be fixed?
#1851 [18:47] <tyteen4a03> Bradley, still reading
#1852 [18:47] <Bradley> ohh srry
#1853 [18:47] <sketchman1981> One suggestion that I've found basically patched Minecraft to cause it to take no action when the Java conflicts occur, instead of instantly disconnecting the system.
#1854 [18:47] <sketchman1981> Though I'm not sure how it's done, so Haven't tried it yet.
#1855 [18:47] <tyteen4a03> sketchman1981, a patch?
#1856 [18:48] <tyteen4a03> sketchman1981, firewalls are usually hyper-sensitive to Java apps
#1857 [18:48] <tyteen4a03> Bradley, are you on 1.5.1?
#1858 [18:48] <sketchman1981> on one of the minecraft forums someone posted a suggestion stating to basically patch a few of the files, people that used it said it works, but that was before 1.5.1 so not sure it'll work
#1859 [18:48] <tyteen4a03> Lord_Ralex, when are the cases where people should turn off metro?
#1860 [18:49] <Lord_Ralex> uh
#1861 [18:49] <Lord_Ralex> i have no idea
#1862 [18:49] <tyteen4a03> sketchman1981, it won't, because it's built for 1.4.7
#1863 [18:49] <Bradley> i guess this doesnt happen often
#1864 [18:49] <tyteen4a03> Bradley, it does, it's just that the system is giving vague errors that makes it hard to troubleshoot
#1865 [18:49] <tyteen4a03> ??> Bradley win/metro
#1866 [18:49] <VoxelHead> Bradley: (win/metro) Metro is Windows 8's newest touch interface, and is known to cause problems with Minecraft. For information on disabling it, please see win/metro/disable
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#1868 [18:49] <tyteen4a03> ??> Bradley win/metro/disable
#1869 [18:49] <VoxelHead> Bradley: (win/metro/disable) How to disable the Metro UI in Windows 6.2 (AKA "Windows 8"): http://techmell.com/how-to/disable-metro-ui-windows-8/
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#1871 [18:50] <tyteen4a03> sketchman1981, which firewall software are you using?
#1872 [18:50] <sketchman1981> Windows firewall, and zone alarm
#1873 [18:50] <tyteen4a03> ??> sketchman1981 fubar/zonealarm
#1874 [18:50] <VoxelHead> sketchman1981: (fubar/zonealarm) Don't use ZoneAlarm. It's bloated, resource-heavy software that does more harm than good, and in fact is known to cause problems with Minecraft specifically, such as connecting to servers and falling endlessly through the void, or even crashing servers entirely.
#1875 [18:50] <VoxelHead> sketchman1981: (fubar/zonealarm) Official report thread about ZA-induce server crashes is here: http://getsatisfaction.com/mojang/topics/minecraft_crashes_in_multiplayer_socketexception_if_firewa
#1876 [18:50] <sketchman1981> Both of which I've opted to allow both Java, and Minecraft
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#1879 [18:51] <heaven1> hello
#1880 [18:51] <tyteen4a03> hi heaven1
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#1882 [18:51] <heaven1> Hi, my account has been hacked.
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#1884 [18:51] <tyteen4a03> sketchman1981, seems like the bug report is gone, but still ZoneAlarm is probably the worst offender in terms of Java hypersensitivity
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#1886 [18:52] <cestislife> heaven1: http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/361483-my-account-was-hacked
#1887 [18:52] <cestislife> heaven1: http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/361483-my-account-was-hacked
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#1890 [18:52] <JonathandSarah> Is someone there to help me?
#1891 [18:52] <tyteen4a03> ??+ accounthacked|http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/articles/361483-my-account-was-hacked
#1892 [18:52] <tyteen4a03> JonathandSarah, yes?
#1893 [18:52] <Mattysplaaat> i just bought minecraft and it says I have an unredeemed copy in the account page
#1894 [18:52] <sketchman1981> It was also recomended by my friend that works in IT for Boeing.
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#1896 [18:52] <tyteen4a03> sketchman1981, business needs are different from gaming needs
#1897 [18:52] <Mattysplaaat> when i click redeem is gives me some weird file with no identifiable extension
#1898 [18:53] <tyteen4a03> sketchman1981, plus, Boeing engineers their own software so they don't use Java
#1899 [18:53] <JonathandSarah> I just bought another account for my brother, had the link sent to me email, and I can't get it to activate an account under his username
#1900 [18:53] <sketchman1981> I'll shut it off and see if that works. if so I'll have to figure out how to get it to bypass the errors.
#1901 [18:53] <tyteen4a03> uh, probably engineers
#1902 [18:53] <heaven1> the password to the account is the same but the account is seen by one of my friends on a server we played on.
#1903 [18:53] <tyteen4a03> Mattysplaaat, can you paste the whole error?
#1904 [18:53] <weelilbeasties> Hello, I want to downgrade my server and client from 1.5 back to 1.4.7 where can you download the older versions. My son and I want to play Herobrines Mansion and it won't work on 1.5. Thanks
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#1906 [18:53] <tyteen4a03> JonathandSarah, you can only associate one username with one Mojang account
#1907 [18:53] <Bradley> can u guess use teamviewer and help me there?
#1908 [18:54] <Mattysplaaat> its a game not downloaded error in the launcher
#1909 [18:54] <tyteen4a03> ??> weelilbeasties downgrade/1.4.7
#1910 [18:54] <VoxelHead> weelilbeasties: (downgrade/1.4.7) To downgrade minecraft to version 1.4.7, first download this file: http://assets.minecraft.net/1_4_7/minecraft.jar
#1911 [18:54] <VoxelHead> weelilbeasties: (downgrade/1.4.7) Once you have downloaded it, move it to the bin folder and overwrite the existing file there. (To find the bin folder, see win/.minecraft, mac/.minecraft, or linux/.minecraft)
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#1913 [18:54] <tyteen4a03> Mattysplaaat, you have to redeem the game first, but when you try it's instead giving you a file to download with a weird extension
#1914 [18:54] <tyteen4a03> Mattysplaaat, is that correct?
#1915 [18:54] <tyteen4a03> weelilbeasties, for server change minecraft to minecraft_server
#1916 [18:55] <JonathandSarah> I know, that is why he has his own email. I bought the premium membership using my account and had the activation code sent to my email. When I try to activate his account, it keeps saying that his password is invalid no matter what
#1917 [18:55] <tyteen4a03> ??> Bradley win/client/moreram
#1918 [18:55] <VoxelHead> Bradley: (win/client/moreram) If you need to launch minecraft with more ram than the defaults, download this script to the location of minecraft.exe and run it. Java must be in your path for this to work.
#1919 [18:55] <VoxelHead> Bradley: (win/client/moreram) Windows Launch Script: http://mcfaq.hfbgaming.com/tools/MoreRAMMCLauncher.bat
#1920 [18:55] <Mattysplaaat> yes - actually no extension
#1921 [18:55] <tyteen4a03> Bradley, if after turning off Metro MC still doesn't work, try this
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#1923 [18:55] <JonathandSarah> I've tried changind his password, and tried creating a new account completely and it wouldn't work
#1924 [18:55] <Bradley> yeah i need help with turning it off cant find something
#1925 [18:55] <tyteen4a03> JonathandSarah, send an email to Mojang with your Mojang account email and your transaction ID
#1926 [18:56] <tyteen4a03> ??> JonathandSarah mojang/email
#1927 [18:56] <VoxelHead> JonathandSarah: (mojang/email) You can email Mojang by going here: http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/emails/new
#1928 [18:56] <tyteen4a03> ??> Bradley win/metro/disable
#1929 [18:56] <VoxelHead> Bradley: (win/metro/disable) How to disable the Metro UI in Windows 6.2 (AKA "Windows 8"): http://techmell.com/how-to/disable-metro-ui-windows-8/
#1930 [18:56] <Bradley> i went there 1 thing i cant find
#1931 [18:56] <tyteen4a03> Mattysplaaat, send an email to Mojang with your Mojang account email and your gift code
#1932 [18:56] <tyteen4a03> ??> Mattysplaaat mojang/email
#1933 [18:56] <VoxelHead> Mattysplaaat: (mojang/email) You can email Mojang by going here: http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/emails/new
#1934 [18:56] <tyteen4a03> Bradley, are you using an Windows Administrator account
#1935 [18:57] <Bradley> yes
#1936 [18:57] <Bradley> ill just youtube it
#1937 [18:57] <tyteen4a03> Bradley, yeah, teamviewer then
#1938 [18:58] <weelilbeasties> thanks tyteen4a03
#1939 [18:58] <tyteen4a03> Bradley, send me your TV ID and password using this command: /query tyteen4a03 stuff
#1940 [18:58] <Bradley> you have teamviewer/
#1941 [18:58] <tyteen4a03> weelilbeasties, no problem
#1942 [18:58] <JonathandSarah> how long does it typically take to get a response from an email?
#1943 [18:59] <Bradley> just did
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#1945 [18:59] <tyteen4a03> Bradley, got it
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#1947 [18:59] <tyteen4a03> JonathandSarah, let me check
#1948 [18:59] <Bradley> cool
#1949 [19:00] <tyteen4a03> JonathandSarah, 5 to 7 days currently
#1950 [19:00] <JonathandSarah> ...
#1951 [19:00] <Bradley> you joining
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#1953 [19:01] <tyteen4a03> JonathandSarah, Mojang is a small indie company and does not have a big customer support department - in fact our support is all volunteer support
#1954 [19:02] <JonathandSarah> I'm just trying to get it to where I can play minecraft with my brother... I payed for giftcode and no matter what I do I can't get it to work
#1955 [19:02] <tyteen4a03> JonathandSarah, send an email to Mojang with your Mojang account email and your transaction ID
#1956 [19:03] <JonathandSarah> I just did
#1957 [19:04] <JonathandSarah> now I twiddle my thumbs for 5 to 7 days? fun...
#1958 [19:04] <tyteen4a03> JonathandSarah, yes
#1959 [19:07] <JonathandSarah> how long is an account locked out for too many failed attempts?
#1960 [19:07] <weelilbeasties> tyteen - I forgot to mention I am on a mac. Is there a different URL for downloading 1.7.4
#1961 [19:07] <weelilbeasties> 1.4.7
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#1963 [19:08] <tyteen4a03> weelilbeasties, nope
#1964 [19:08] <tyteen4a03> JonathandSarah, not sure, but should be 5
#1965 [19:08] <weelilbeasties> oh cool , thanks again
#1966 [19:08] <JonathandSarah> 5 hours? days? minutes?
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#1972 [19:11] <tMobile4a03> JonathandSarah, oh, you meant how long it takes to unlock
#1973 [19:11] <sketchman1981> hello
#1974 [19:11] <tMobile4a03> JonathandSarah, should be 2 hours
#1975 [19:12] <JonathandSarah> if I try again in that time period, does it reset to 2 hours?
#1976 [19:12] <sketchman1981> So, I did what you recommended, disabled zonealarm, and it didn't fix the problem....like I said, it's not the firewall!
#1977 [19:12] <tMobile4a03> JonathandSarah, yes
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#1979 [19:12] <tMobile4a03> sketchman1981, you need to completely uninstall it
#1980 [19:12] <sketchman1981> haha, what would uninstalling it do? shutting it off would keep it from doing anything to java
#1981 [19:13] <LukeWhite> My OS is Mac 10.8.2 ~ I just bought MineCraft and when I select it in my download folder I get this error message "Minecraft is damaged and can't be opened. You should move it to trash" My only option is to move it to trash. I can't even right click to get more info. Please advise
#1982 [19:13] <tMobile4a03> sketchman1981, ZoneAlarm intercepts packets at system level, so best to uninstall it to completely rule out the possibility of ZA
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#1984 [19:14] <tMobile4a03> ??< java/1.6
#1985 [19:14] <sketchman1981> I'll try it, but if it's not active, it shouldn't "intercept" anything
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#1987 [19:14] <tMobile4a03> sketchman1981, it does, unfortunately
#1988 [19:15] <sketchman1981> Everything I've seen suggests that it's an issue with the coding in Minecraft, or java.
#1989 [19:15] <sketchman1981> Even with zonealarm, I have never had this issue before.
#1990 [19:16] <tMobile4a03> sketchman1981, everything? source?
#1991 [19:16] <tMobile4a03> sketchman1981, the one to blame is Java actually, not Minecraft
#1992 [19:16] <sketchman1981> Forums, posts, so on.
#1993 [19:16] <tMobile4a03> sketchman1981, anything unofficial should be taken with a grain of salt
#1994 [19:16] <sketchman1981> I'm not blaming anything, just stating what it seems like it would be.
#1995 [19:16] <LukeWhite> My OS is Mac 10.8.2 ~ I just bought MineCraft and when I select it in my download folder I get this error message "Minecraft is damaged and can't be opened. You should move it to trash" My only option is to move it to trash. I can't even right click to get more info. Please advise
#1996 [19:17] <sketchman1981> i agree, but it makes more sense than saying a firewall that has both Java and minecraft as allowed software is causing the issue.
#1997 [19:17] <sketchman1981> You may be right, I'm just saying it doesn't make sense.
#1998 [19:17] <cestislife> ??> LukeWhite mac/gatekeeper
#1999 [19:17] <VoxelHead> LukeWhite: (mac/gatekeeper) Newer versions of OS X add new security measures which give scary warning messages for any programs not from the App store. To force your computer to allow you to play Minecraft, ctrl-click or right-click your Minecraft icon, and select Open.
#2000 [19:17] <cestislife> ??> LukeWhite mac/gatekeeper/disable
#2001 [19:17] <VoxelHead> LukeWhite: (mac/gatekeeper/disable) If the right-click->Open trick does not work, disable Gatekeeper entirely. See http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5290
#2002 [19:17] <tMobile4a03> sketchman1981, a lot of Windows doesn't make sense either ;)
#2003 [19:18] <tMobile4a03> ??< gpu/intel
#2004 [19:18] <sketchman1981> Eh. Don't know, I'd rather have it than snowleapord :D
#2005 [19:18] <LukeWhite> okay I'll try that
#2006 [19:18] <tMobile4a03> sketchman1981, unfortunately it is how Windows is - a complete mess, not to be troubleshot with logic
#2007 [19:19] <tMobile4a03> and that includes Windows software, whether directly or indirectly
#2008 [19:19] <sketchman1981> lol. Anyways, I'll try the removal of zonealarm, if it doesn't fix the issue I'll let you know.
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#2010 [19:23] <LukeWhite> That worked! Thanks so much!
#2011 [19:23] <tMobile4a03> LukeWhite, no problem
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#2014 [19:25] <cestislife> t mobile reminds me of the carrier.
#2015 [19:26] <tMobile4a03> cestislife, not the best :P
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#2019 [19:29] <sketchman1981> ok.
#2020 [19:29] <sketchman1981> I completely uninstalled Zone alarm, it didn't fix the problem...anymore ideas?
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#2022 [19:31] <tMobile4a03> sketchman1981, where is the server?
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#2024 [19:32] <sketchman1981> don't know off hand
#2025 [19:32] <sketchman1981> but I seem to be the only one having the issue consistently
#2026 [19:32] <tMobile4a03> sketchman1981, server IP please?
#2027 [19:33] <sketchman1981> I have removed, and re-loaded both Java, Minecraft, so on.
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#2029 [19:35] <sketchman1981_> hello
#2030 [19:35] <sketchman1981_> 188.165.189.189:25565
#2031 [19:35] <sketchman1981_> that's the server IP
#2032 [19:35] <tMobile4a03> !check 188.165.189.189:25565
#2033 [19:36] <tMobile4a03> sketchman1981_, it's in france
#2034 [19:36] <tMobile4a03> sketchman1981_, that would partly explain the constant disconnect - do you have other people in the US to test the connection?
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#2036 [19:36] <sketchman1981_> yes.
#2037 [19:37] <Bradley> im back
#2038 [19:37] <sketchman1981_> there are other players in the US tha tare not having the same issue
#2039 [19:37] <tMobile4a03> sketchman1981_, same ISP?
#2040 [19:37] <tMobile4a03> Bradley, hi
#2041 [19:37] <sketchman1981_> don't know.
#2042 [19:37] <sketchman1981_> different states
#2043 [19:37] <Bradley> just had someone help me didnt work
#2044 [19:38] <tMobile4a03> Bradley, is it generating another hs_pid_something textfile on the desktop?
#2045 [19:38] <sketchman1981_> had a lot of suggestions that it could be my ISP, but everytime it's happened I check my connection and I have full connection
#2046 [19:38] <Bradley> yep
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#2048 [19:38] <tMobile4a03> Bradley, pastebin.com it
#2049 [19:38] <tMobile4a03> sketchman1981_, I don't know much about US ISPs sadly
#2050 [19:39] <tMobile4a03> sketchman1981_, it could be your particular ISP, or how you connect to the router
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#2052 [19:39] <sketchman1981_> I'm on a wireless network.
#2053 [19:39] <tMobile4a03> sketchman1981_, I would first try wired
#2054 [19:39] <sketchman1981_> Talking to someone in the server who is in germany I think.
#2055 [19:39] <sketchman1981_> they have the same issue.
#2056 [19:39] <Bradley> http://pastebin.com/yn9mzGSc
#2057 [19:40] <tMobile4a03> sketchman1981_, testing myself
#2058 [19:40] <tMobile4a03> Bradley, teamviewer again
#2059 [19:40] <Bradley> hmmmmm
#2060 [19:41] <Bradley> what thing
#2061 [19:41] <Bradley> chat
#2062 [19:41] <tMobile4a03> Bradley, /query tyteen4a03 sutff
#2063 [19:41] <tMobile4a03> sketchman1981_, can you run this command in your command prompt: tracert 188.165.189.189
#2064 [19:42] <tMobile4a03> Bradley, I meant tMobile4a03
#2065 [19:42] <Bradley> looooooool
#2066 [19:42] <sketchman1981_> will try.
#2067 [19:43] <Bradley> /query tMobile4a03 sutff 509 921 340 1334
#2068 [19:43] <sketchman1981_> I forget the command to get to the command prompt
#2069 [19:43] <tMobile4a03> hem
#2070 [19:43] <tMobile4a03> meh
#2071 [19:43] <tMobile4a03> sketchman1981_, Win+R, cmd
#2072 [19:43] <Bradley> well there it tise oh well
#2073 [19:43] <tMobile4a03> sketchman1981_, then copy the result to pastebin.com
#2074 [19:43] <sketchman1981_> I put it in the search and it started running something.
#2075 [19:45] <sketchman1981_> it disappeared before I seen the results. I"ll try it the way you said.
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#2077 [19:46] <sketchman1981_> it said the host unreachable
#2078 [19:47] <tMobile4a03> sketchman1981_, do you have any other antiviruses or firewalls installed?
#2079 [19:48] <tMobile4a03> sketchman1981_, something on your side is blocking cmd, or your ISP is being derpy
#2080 [19:49] <sketchman1981_> redid it, it's running now
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#2082 [19:49] <sketchman1981_> it's running, how do I copy it?
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#2084 [19:49] <sketchman1981_> just copy the screen?
#2085 [19:49] <tMobile4a03> sketchman1981_, yes, and paste it on pastebin.com
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#2088 [19:51] <sketchman1981_> cntrl p to copy the screen right?
#2089 [19:51] <sketchman1981_> it's not letting me paste it on that site.
#2090 [19:52] <TheWyatt2012> control p is print
#2091 [19:52] <sketchman1981_> is it? hmmm. just a sec.
#2092 [19:52] <tMobile4a03> sketchman1981_, right click, Select, select everything, Enter
#2093 [19:52] <TheWyatt2012> control c + control v is to copy text
#2094 [19:53] <sketchman1981_> I know that, but I"m trying to copy the screen, not text
#2095 [19:53] <tMobile4a03> TheWyatt2012, doesn't work in command prompt
#2096 [19:53] <TheWyatt2012> prnt scrn
#2097 [19:53] <tMobile4a03> sketchman1981_, uh, copy the text please
#2098 [19:53] <TheWyatt2012> if you have to it might be fn + prnt scrn
#2099 [19:54] <sketchman1981_> I can't copy the ext from the cmd prompt
#2100 [19:54] <sketchman1981_> text
#2101 [19:54] <tMobile4a03> sketchman1981_, right click in command prompt, click Select, select everything then press Enter
#2102 [19:55] <sketchman1981_> http://pastebin.com/Uz67Ynr1
#2103 [19:55] <sketchman1981_> get it?
#2104 [19:56] <tMobile4a03> sketchman1981_, sounds like your ISP
#2105 [19:57] <sketchman1981_> hello?
#2106 [19:58] <sketchman1981_> hmmm.
#2107 [19:59] <sketchman1981_> not sure how can fix that. I have great connection according to what the connection shows. Of course, that may not be constant connection to the web. just the router. Not sure.
#2108 [20:00] <tMobile4a03> sketchman1981_, signal strength only represents the connection strength between you and your router
#2109 [20:01] <tMobile4a03> sketchman1981_, call up your ISP, give your tracert to them, see if they can fix it
#2110 [20:01] <tMobile4a03> sketchman1981_, Minecraft 1.5 added quite a lot of packets which may increase the chance your connection break off
#2111 [20:01] <sketchman1981_> ok. Thanks for the assist.
#2112 [20:02] <tMobile4a03> sketchman1981_, no problem
#2113 [20:02] <Bradley> cant u tell them to fix
#2114 [20:02] <Bradley> it
#2115 [20:02] <tMobile4a03> Bradley, I am not entirely sure how this problem arose
#2116 [20:03] <sketchman1981_> telling them, doesn't mean they can. Though if it is on their end and they can't fix it, guess I"ll be leaving them
#2117 [20:03] <Bradley> well then my life blows going to go kill meself
#2118 [20:03] <tMobile4a03> Bradley, if that is how everybody rolls, I think humanity wouldn't exist ;)
#2119 [20:03] <Bradley> lol
#2120 [20:04] <tMobile4a03> and finally off to breakfast
#2121 [20:04] * tMobile4a03 hops off
#2121 [20:04] <Bradley> hey send me the download link foe the one that didnt work
#2122 [20:04] <tMobile4a03> Bradley, 1.5?
#2123 [20:04] <tMobile4a03> Bradley, or 1.4.7?
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#2125 [20:05] <Bradley> 1.5.1
#2126 [20:05] <Bradley> that one
#2127 [20:05] <Bradley> the newest one
#2128 [20:05] <tMobile4a03> Bradley, http://assets.minecraft.net/1_5_1/minecraft.jar
#2129 [20:05] <Bradley> ill fix it maybe
#2130 [20:06] <Bradley> THANK EVERYONE ON THIS THANK U MUCH MAYBE I WONT GO KILL MYSELF
#2131 [20:06] <TheWyatt2012> why would you kill yourself over a game
#2132 [20:07] <Bradley> im joking bro
#2133 [20:08] <TheWyatt2012> suicide isn't really something to joke about
#2134 [20:08] <Bradley> i care why
#2135 [20:09] <TheWyatt2012> never said you had to care
#2136 [20:09] <TheWyatt2012> but others do
#2137 [20:09] <TheWyatt2012> or, may
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#2142 [20:15] <Edgessassin> my minecraft has crashed and want to send a report but dont know where to send the report file
#2143 [20:15] <Lord_Ralex> ??> Edgessassin pastebin
#2144 [20:15] <VoxelHead> Edgessassin: (pastebin) Pastebin is a service run at http://www.pastebin.com/ which facilitates the sharing of information without flooding IRC channels. Paste your text there, click 'Submit', and give us the URL the site takes you to, and we can see what you have pasted.
#2145 [20:16] <Edgessassin> k will do
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#2150 [20:19] <Guest56285> My mouse won't move and I can't exit out of minecraft
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#2152 [20:23] <Guest56285> I am on minecraft and there is a plus sign in the middle of the screen that I use to move which doesn't seem. Right as compared to my friend using it on her computer I am unable to move the plus sign from the middle of the screen in order to play the game
#2153 [20:23] <Lord_Ralex> Guest56285, the plus is the crosshairs
#2154 [20:23] <Lord_Ralex> it is where you are looking
#2155 [20:23] <Lord_Ralex> It will not move from the centor
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#2157 [20:24] <Guest56285> How do I build
#2158 [20:24] <Lord_Ralex> Right click with a block in your hand
#2159 [20:24] <Lord_Ralex> When the plus is looking at a block close to you
#2160 [20:26] <Guest56285> Hoe
#2161 [20:26] <Guest56285> How
#2162 [20:26] <Guest56285> It's not working
#2163 [20:27] <Guest56285> Hello
#2164 [20:27] <Guest56285> Help
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#2168 [20:31] <Johnny> Getting a message saying my server is outdated. What's that about? Can't log in.
#2169 [20:31] <Guest56285> IMHO I am on an. Apple so what is right mouse click can you gude me what to do to start to build
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#2171 [20:33] <Johnny> anyone out there?
#2172 [20:33] <tyteen4a03> Johnny, the Minecraft version of the client and the server must be the same
#2173 [20:33] <tyteen4a03> Guest56285, no a Mac user, sorry
#2174 [20:33] <Johnny> how do I update the server?
#2175 [20:34] <tyteen4a03> Johnny, are you the server owner?
#2176 [20:34] <Johnny> yes
#2177 [20:35] <tyteen4a03> Johnny, are you using mods such as bukkit on your server?
#2178 [20:35] <Johnny> no
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#2180 [20:35] <tyteen4a03> Johnny, download the server jar again from http://minecraft.net/download
#2181 [20:35] <Guest56285> Does any one know if there are some guidelines or directions on how to navigate and. Play on the minecraft game once you buy it and download it and log in to play?
#2182 [20:36] <Johnny> thanks, I'll try that
#2183 [20:36] <iPixeli> Guest14284, server owners provide their own rules for their visitors to follow
#2184 [20:36] <shmelvin11x> i paid for minecraft and did not receive a transaction number to access and redeem the gift card
#2185 [20:36] * tyteen4a03 looks at iPixeli blankly
#2185 [20:37] <tyteen4a03> shmelvin11x, it should be in http://account.mojang.com/me
#2186 [20:37] <iPixeli> tyteen4a03?
#2187 [20:37] <tyteen4a03> iPixeli, I don't see a Guest14284
#2188 [20:38] <iPixeli> My IRC client autocompleeted :< * Guest56285
#2189 [20:38] <tyteen4a03> Guest56285, you can get Minecraft PE from the App Store
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#2190 [20:40] <Guest56285> As am playing now and the only thing I can do is move around the region on the screen and when I click the mouse it simply destroys the area under the plus sign my question is how do I Build blocks Into. Something I want to. Create rather than simply destroy stuff?
#2191 [20:41] <tyteen4a03> Guest56285, right click to build
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#2193 [20:43] <Guest56285> Do I need to attach a mouse to my Mac since there is no right click on the Mac it's just a rectangular touch board on the computer above the keyboar
#2194 [20:43] <tyteen4a03> Guest56285, the right corner would be the right mouse key
#2195 [20:44] <tyteen4a03> haven't used that in a long time so I'm just guessing
#2196 [20:45] <Th3H3v> Am i allowed to post error logs, grom my server?
#2197 [20:45] <Th3H3v> from*
#2198 [20:45] <Lord_Ralex> Th3H3v, is it a vanilla or bukkit server?
#2199 [20:45] <Guest56285> Any where I touch on the touchpad whether rt lt or center only destroys the blocks
#2200 [20:45] <Th3H3v> bukkit
#2201 [20:45] <tyteen4a03> Guest56285, you can bind build/destroy keys to your keyboard if you would like that
#2202 [20:46] <Lord_Ralex> Th3H3v, bukkit issues should be directed to #bukkit
#2203 [20:46] <Th3H3v> ok thx
#2204 [20:46] <Guest56285> Can someone help me. Do that step. By step please?
#2205 [20:46] <Guest56285> Can someone help me. Do that step. By step please?
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#2207 [20:47] <tyteen4a03> Lord_Ralex, help Guest56285 bind Build/Destroy to somekey else while I eat breakfast
#2208 [20:47] <Lord_Ralex> tyteen4a03, can't
#2209 [20:47] <tyteen4a03> D:
#2210 [20:48] <tyteen4a03> Lord_Ralex, fine, continue reviewing FAQs
#2211 [20:48] <tyteen4a03> Guest56285, launch Minecraft, open a world, then press Esc
#2212 [20:48] <Lord_Ralex> tyteen4a03, you can do it via main menu
#2213 [20:48] <tyteen4a03> Lord_Ralex, fine
#2214 [20:48] <Guest56285> Ok I am doing it
#2215 [20:49] <Guest56285> Now what
#2216 [20:49] <tyteen4a03> Guest56285, in the Options menu select Controls
#2217 [20:49] <Guest56285> Ok
#2218 [20:49] <Guest56285> Now what
#2219 [20:50] <tyteen4a03> Guest56285, bind the Attack and Use Item keys to something you prefer, the Attack key is the Left Mouse while the Use Item key is the Right Mouse
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#2222 [20:51] <tMobile4a03> Guest56285, then from now on you should be using the 2 new keys you set to build and destroy
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#2224 [20:52] <Guest56285> On pick block the box has the number 3 does that meani hit 3 to pick a block?
#2225 [20:53] <tMobile4a03> Guest56285, no, it means the middle mouse key
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#2227 [20:53] <tMobile4a03> (the scroller)
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#2229 [20:54] <Guest56285> Trying to get external mouse thx💟
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#2231 [20:56] <tyteen4a03> Guest56285, no problem
#2232 [20:57] <Johnny> tyteen, no luck. Still getting the error saying the server is an outdated version. It shows up as 1.4.7 in the list when I try to do a multiplayer logon
#2233 [20:57] <Johnny> tried installing both client and server
#2234 [20:58] <Johnny> even selected server 1.5.1 on the control panel
#2235 [20:58] <Johnny> and restarted
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#2254 [21:27] <Johnny> having difficulty with setup. downloaded current client and server but getting error message saying server is out of date. client version says 1.0.0 server is 1.4.7
#2255 [21:28] <Extreme> Johnny, what version is your client?
#2256 [21:28] <Johnny> on mac 1.0.0
#2257 [21:28] <Extreme> Update to 1.5
#2258 [21:28] <Johnny> where?
#2259 [21:29] <Extreme> ??> Johnny forceupdate
#2260 [21:29] <VoxelHead> Johnny: (forceupdate) You may need to reinstall the locally installed files that Minecraft puts into place.
#2261 [21:29] <VoxelHead> Johnny: (forceupdate) To do so, start Minecraft, press 'Options' (above the 'Login' button), Press 'Force update!', then press 'Done', and login to Minecraft. See http://i.imgur.com/5b09B.png for visual instructions.
#2262 [21:29] <Johnny> OK, I'll try... thanks!
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#2267 [21:36] <Johnny> no luck with force update
#2268 [21:37] <Extreme> Johnny, what does it say?
#2269 [21:37] <Johnny> (found it, but it didn't help)
#2270 [21:38] <Johnny> it looked like it went through the procedure but the server still shows up as an "outated version"
#2271 [21:38] <Extreme> What version is your CLIENT?
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#2273 [21:39] <Extreme> It says it @ the title screen lower left
#2274 [21:39] <Johnny> The client didn't change with the force update.
#2275 [21:40] <Lord_Ralex> if the server is 1.4.7, you need 1.4.7
#2276 [21:40] <Johnny> *sob*
#2277 [21:40] <Lord_Ralex> ??> Johnny downgrade/1.4.7
#2278 [21:40] <VoxelHead> Johnny: (downgrade/1.4.7) To downgrade minecraft to version 1.4.7, first download this file: http://assets.minecraft.net/1_4_7/minecraft.jar
#2279 [21:40] <Extreme> He says he has 1.0
#2280 [21:40] <VoxelHead> Johnny: (downgrade/1.4.7) Once you have downloaded it, move it to the bin folder and overwrite the existing file there. (To find the bin folder, see win/.minecraft, mac/.minecraft, or linux/.minecraft)
#2281 [21:41] <Johnny> ok.....
#2282 [21:41] <Johnny> trying it
#2283 [21:42] <cestislife> He might be using the older launcher.
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#2285 [21:42] <Lord_Ralex> might be worth updating that too
#2286 [21:42] <Johnny> Note that I'm on a mac
#2287 [21:42] <Lord_Ralex> Johnny, also redownload the launcher from http://minecraft.net/download
#2288 [21:42] <tsthgxts> okay
#2289 [21:43] <tsthgxts> i have my minecraft transaction id but i cangtlogintto my account
#2290 [21:43] <Lord_Ralex> tsthgxts, where are you logging in at?
#2291 [21:43] <tsthgxts> minecraft.net
#2292 [21:43] <tsthgxts> i made a mojang one 2
#2293 [21:44] <Lord_Ralex> tsthgxts, what error do you get?
#2294 [21:44] <Johnny> Lord_Ralex, I already installed those
#2295 [21:44] <Lord_Ralex> Johnny, reinstall it
#2296 [21:44] <tsthgxts> it syas username doesnt exist
#2297 [21:44] <Lord_Ralex> tsthgxts, can you log in to account.mojang.com
#2298 [21:44] <tsthgxts> yes but its a new account i made not the minecraft.net one
#2299 [21:45] <Lord_Ralex> tsthgxts, when did you buy the game
#2300 [21:45] <tsthgxts> during the 4.7 i think it was
#2301 [21:45] <Lord_Ralex> then it would mean you have a mojang account
#2302 [21:45] <Lord_Ralex> log in to http://account.mojang.com with your email and your passwortd
#2303 [21:45] <Johnny> Lord_Ralex, is the file you're calling the launcher Minecraft.exe? Is that the same as the client?
#2304 [21:46] <Lord_Ralex> Johnny, if you have a Mac, it would be the Minecraft.app
#2305 [21:46] <Lord_Ralex> There is 2 files
#2306 [21:46] <Lord_Ralex> there is the Minecraft.app from the http://minecraft.net/download
#2307 [21:46] <Lord_Ralex> that is the launcher
#2308 [21:46] <Johnny> right, got that
#2309 [21:47] <Lord_Ralex> The minecraft.jar from http://assets.minecraft.net/1_4_7/minecraft.jar is the game jar
#2310 [21:47] <Lord_Ralex> they are both part of the client
#2311 [21:47] <Johnny> right. I've installed both several times today.
#2312 [21:47] <Lord_Ralex> okay
#2313 [21:47] <Lord_Ralex> For now, reinstall both the launcher and the jar I have just linked using the jar from http://assets.minecraft.net/1_4_7/minecraft.jar
#2314 [21:47] <Lord_Ralex> That will make sure you have 1.4.7
#2315 [21:48] <Lord_Ralex> if you properly install it
#2316 [21:48] <Johnny> how do I confirm?
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#2318 [21:48] <Lord_Ralex> Johnny, when you do the jar update, you will be replacing a jar you have with the new one
#2319 [21:49] <Lord_Ralex> When you then log in to the game, it will say the version in the bottom left
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#2321 [21:49] <tsthgxts> it didnt work
#2322 [21:49] <Lord_Ralex> tsthgxts, that means little
#2323 [21:49] <Lord_Ralex> what do you mean
#2324 [21:50] <tsthgxts> look
#2325 [21:50] <Lord_Ralex> what did you do, then what did it say
#2326 [21:50] <tsthgxts> ima start everything over about wats happening
#2327 [21:50] <Johnny> OK, client is at 1.5.1
#2328 [21:50] <Johnny> What about updating the server?
#2329 [21:50] <Lord_Ralex> tsthgxts, I have asked you to log in to http://account.mojang.com
#2330 [21:50] <Lord_Ralex> Please do that
#2331 [21:50] <Lord_Ralex> Johnny, the server owners have to do that
#2332 [21:50] <tsthgxts> i did
#2333 [21:50] <Lord_Ralex> tsthgxts, and it let you log in?
#2334 [21:51] <tsthgxts> yes
#2335 [21:51] <tsthgxts> but
#2336 [21:51] <tsthgxts> with an email
#2337 [21:51] <tsthgxts> not my minecraft username
#2338 [21:51] <Lord_Ralex> tsthgxts, that is how you log in
#2339 [21:51] <tsthgxts> i made a new MOJANG account
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#2341 [21:51] <Lord_Ralex> you use your email to log in
#2342 [21:51] <Lord_Ralex> with mojang accounts
#2343 [21:51] <Johnny> Lord_Ralex, I own a server.
#2344 [21:51] <Johnny> But I can't get into my own server.
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#2346 [21:52] <Lord_Ralex> Johnny, all you do is download the server jar from http://minecraft.net/download, stop your server, replace the jar, and start it again
#2347 [21:52] <tsthgxts> omg
#2348 [21:52] <tsthgxts> i cant migrate the account
#2349 [21:52] <Lord_Ralex> tsthgxts, you dont need ot
#2350 [21:52] <tsthgxts> because it says it dont exist
#2351 [21:52] <tsthgxts> i payed for the game on that account!
#2352 [21:52] <cestislife> What is your minecraft username.
#2353 [21:52] <Lord_Ralex> tsthgxts, what does it say under "My Games" at http://account.mojang.com/me
#2354 [21:53] <tsthgxts> 1 sec
#2355 [21:54] <tsthgxts> it says cobalt,scrolls and minecraft
#2356 [21:54] <Lord_Ralex> tsthgxts, under "My Games"
#2357 [21:54] <Lord_Ralex> it would be on the left
#2358 [21:54] <Lord_Ralex> not the menu
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#2361 [21:54] <tsthgxts> its not there
#2362 [21:54] <Lord_Ralex> tsthgxts, this part: http://i.imgur.com/FA4SuXU.png
#2363 [21:54] <sketchman1981> minecraft crashed
#2364 [21:55] <tsthgxts> it says link to a minecraft.net account if u have purchased
#2365 [21:55] <Lord_Ralex> tsthgxts, and have you chosen a username yet
#2366 [21:55] <Lord_Ralex> using a link from an email
#2367 [21:55] <Johnny> I still can't get in. In my client window, my server shows up, but it has 1.4.7 as the version in the right corner, in red. In my server control panel, it says 1.5.1.
#2368 [21:55] <tsthgxts> i dont think so
#2369 [21:55] <tsthgxts> didnt get a link
#2370 [21:55] <Lord_Ralex> tsthgxts, check your email
#2371 [21:56] <Lord_Ralex> when you purchase, Mojang will send you a link after a successful transaction to choose your username
#2372 [21:56] <Lord_Ralex> Johnny, did you update the jar youself?
#2373 [21:56] <Lord_Ralex> for the server
#2374 [21:57] <Johnny> yes
#2375 [21:57] <Lord_Ralex> What was the jar named on the server?
#2376 [21:57] <Johnny> actually, I'm not sure. I updated the jar on the link you gave me.
#2377 [21:57] <Lord_Ralex> Johnny, some servers have the jar named differently
#2378 [21:57] <tsthgxts> i checked
#2379 [21:58] <Lord_Ralex> You need to have the jar you downloaded from the minecraft site be the same name as the one on the server
#2380 [21:58] <Lord_Ralex> so when you upload the new jar, it replaces the old one
#2381 [21:58] <Johnny> Control panel says: Latest CraftBukkit build for MC 1.5.1 added to JAR File list!
#2382 [21:58] <Lord_Ralex> oh
#2383 [21:58] <Lord_Ralex> bukkit
#2384 [21:58] <sketchman1981> i need help figuring out what's wrong with my minecraft experience....lately I keep getting disconnected from my server with a message java.net.socketexception: software caused connection abort: recv failed
#2385 [21:58] <tsthgxts> it it says import from a minecraft account
#2386 [21:58] <Lord_Ralex> Johnny, it is downloading the 1.4.7 RB i am betting
#2387 [21:59] <Johnny> Maybe I mistyped that word bukkit with an F by mistake? :)
#2388 [21:59] <Lord_Ralex> Johnny, you will have ot wait for bukkit
#2389 [21:59] <sketchman1981> I tried the suggestiong I got in this chat earlier, and it still fails. So I attempted a fix that I found on a forum post that people claimed to have fixed the issue. now I"m getting a minecraft crash.
#2390 [21:59] <Lord_Ralex> they have not released a RB for 1.5.1
#2391 [21:59] <tyteen4a03> hi sketchman1981
#2392 [21:59] <sketchman1981> Hello
#2393 [21:59] <sketchman1981> I have a paste bukkit report of my crash
#2394 [21:59] <sketchman1981> http://pastebin.com/nxuk8RUT
#2395 [22:00] <sketchman1981> fpastebin
#2396 [22:00] <Johnny> So, then what?
#2397 [22:00] <tsthgxts> its telling me my account doesntexist
#2398 [22:00] <Lord_Ralex> Johnny, to play on tyour server, you wouls have to downgrade to 1.4.7 to play for now
#2399 [22:00] <tyteen4a03> sketchman1981, you can't apply mods for 1.4.7 on 1.5.1
#2400 [22:01] <sketchman1981> 1.4.7?
#2401 [22:01] <sketchman1981> hmm, wonder if I clicked the wrong one.
#2402 [22:01] <sketchman1981> I thought I clicked the one for 1.5
#2403 [22:01] <Lord_Ralex> you want 1.5.1
#2404 [22:01] <tyteen4a03> sketchman1981, 1.5.0 mods won't work on 1.5.1
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#2406 [22:02] <sketchman1981> Well, do you know how to fix this issue ?
#2407 [22:02] <tsthgxts> can i get some assistance here?
#2408 [22:03] <tyteen4a03> sketchman1981, wait for the 1.5.1 version to be out is the only solution
#2409 [22:03] <sketchman1981> just did a force update.
#2410 [22:03] <tyteen4a03> ??> tsthgxts ask
#2411 [22:03] <VoxelHead> tsthgxts: (ask) Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help with, and be as specific as possible.
#2412 [22:03] <VoxelHead> tsthgxts: (ask) If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#2413 [22:03] <tsthgxts> itive been doing that -_-
#2414 [22:03] <sketchman1981> it's not a mod like you'd typically think.
#2415 [22:03] <Johnny> after I download the old 1.4.7 jar, then what?
#2416 [22:03] <sketchman1981> Just a modified class file that's supposed to fix the constant crashes
#2417 [22:03] <Lord_Ralex> ??> Johnny mac/.minecraft
#2418 [22:03] <VoxelHead> Johnny: (mac/.minecraft) To get at Minecraft's locally stored files on a Mac, in the Finder, from the Go menu, select Home. Then open Library, Application Support. The folder you want is "minecraft".
#2419 [22:03] <tyteen4a03> sketchman1981, still a mod
#2420 [22:03] <Lord_Ralex> Johnny, go there now
#2421 [22:04] <tsthgxts> look its telling me my account doesnt exist
#2422 [22:04] <tyteen4a03> tsthgxts, can you respecify your problem again?
#2423 [22:04] <sketchman1981> ok, well, do you know anything about the java.net.socketexception: software has caused abort: recv failed?
#2424 [22:04] <tsthgxts> wen i try to migrate my minecraft account to that mojang crap or sign into minecraft.net it says my account doenst exist
#2425 [22:05] <|Anthony|> I just registered a domain name. I'm looking at http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Version_history#General_3 where it says "Added SRV Record Lookup support"
#2426 [22:05] <|Anthony|> can someone explain this to me?
#2427 [22:05] <sketchman1981> ok, so I did a force update to get a fresh .jar
#2428 [22:06] <|Anthony|> i'm not webdev savy
#2429 [22:06] <tyteen4a03> |Anthony|, DNS
#2430 [22:06] <Lord_Ralex> |Anthony|, SRV means you can have mc.server.com point to a port along with an ip
#2431 [22:06] <|Anthony|> or spelling savvy for that matter
#2432 [22:06] <Johnny> I don't have a minecraft folder in Application Support
#2433 [22:06] <Lord_Ralex> so mc.server.com can point to 123.123.123.123:25566
#2434 [22:06] <sketchman1981> loaded the server, and it didn't let me stay in for more than a few seconds, then disconnected me with the message "end of stream" or "Stream end" something like that.
#2435 [22:06] <tsthgxts> can anyone answer my question?
#2436 [22:07] <sketchman1981> This is getting ridiculously frustrating. I've seen multiple reports doing a google search of this, it's been happening since 1.3 for some people. And no one knows how to do a legit fix?
#2437 [22:08] <tsthgxts> wats the point in making people migrate to that mojag crap ughh
#2438 [22:08] <Lord_Ralex> yes
#2439 [22:08] <Lord_Ralex> Security
#2440 [22:08] <Lord_Ralex> Allowing all yours games to be tied to one account instead of several
#2441 [22:09] <tsthgxts> well its screwing me over
#2442 [22:09] <Johnny> I don't have a minecraft folder in Application Support
#2443 [22:09] <tsthgxts> and u still havent answerd my question yet
#2444 [22:09] <Lord_Ralex> tsthgxts, you don't need to migrade
#2445 [22:09] <Lord_Ralex> migrate
#2446 [22:10] <Lord_Ralex> Migration is only for those that have an old Minecrat account
#2447 [22:10] <tsthgxts> omfg it says my account doesnt exist! i dont want to migrate
#2448 [22:10] <Lord_Ralex> tsthgxts, check your bank, did you get billed for the game
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#2450 [22:11] <tsthgxts> are u serious? ive had the FULL GAME for over a month or two now
#2451 [22:11] <symby12> hi?
#2452 [22:11] <tsthgxts> premium
#2453 [22:11] <tyteen4a03> tsthgxts, username please?
#2454 [22:11] <sketchman1981> Come on guys...seriously. No one knows how to fix this?
#2455 [22:11] <Lord_Ralex> tsthgxts, you are then making this even more complicated
#2456 [22:11] <tsthgxts> tsmoothy
#2457 [22:11] <symby12> hello?
#2458 [22:11] <symby12> can someone help me
#2459 [22:11] <tyteen4a03> sketchman1981, was multitasking
#2460 [22:11] <tyteen4a03> ??> symby12 ask
#2461 [22:11] <VoxelHead> symby12: (ask) Don't ask to ask or just say "I need help" - just ask your question or state what you need help with, and be as specific as possible.
#2462 [22:11] <VoxelHead> symby12: (ask) If you are unsure if the question is appropriate, just ask it and you will be informed if it is not.
#2463 [22:11] <tsthgxts> my username is tsmoothy
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#2465 [22:12] <sketchman1981> ok, so do you know what is causing the error?
#2466 [22:12] <Johnny> Lord Ralex, I don't have a minecraft folder in Application Support
#2467 [22:12] <Essentials_556> if i can log into the world just fine, but someone else says that they cannot connect, how can i help him
#2468 [22:12] <tyteen4a03> sketchman1981, 1. Antivirus/Firewall (ruled out earlier), 2. ISP (derpy connection), 3. Java (7 is known to be the main cause)
#2469 [22:13] <tyteen4a03> sketchman1981, 4. Windows
#2470 [22:13] <sketchman1981> java.net.socketexception: software caused connection abort: recv failed
#2471 [22:13] <tsthgxts> tyteen
#2472 [22:13] <symby12> hi um i bought the game and in the terms it said i can do whatever i want with it and so i downloaded it to my sister's computer and it doesn't update or allow her to join LAN worlds, why is it not working like normal? i have made her an account but it says that she has to play offline
#2473 [22:13] <tsthgxts> my username is tsmoothy
#2474 [22:13] <tyteen4a03> tsthgxts, Lord_Ralex is helping you
#2475 [22:13] <tsthgxts> he is?
#2476 [22:13] <Smanly> symby12: Thats because shes not premium.
#2477 [22:13] <Extreme> Essentials_556: are you running a server?
#2478 [22:13] <Johnny> Voxelhead, I don't have a minecraft folder in Application Support
#2479 [22:13] <sketchman1981> hmmm. maybe i can get a copy of java 6, though I think I've had 7 for quite awhile and never had this issue before
#2480 [22:13] <tyteen4a03> ??> Johnny mac/.minecraft/mac
#2481 [22:13] <symby12> but i bought the game though
#2482 [22:13] <tsthgxts> like is he checking on it or hes going to be the one to assist me?
#2483 [22:13] <tyteen4a03> ??> Johnny mac/.minecraft/lion
#2484 [22:13] <VoxelHead> Johnny: (mac/.minecraft/lion) Run this command in Terminal: chflags nohidden ~/Library
#2485 [22:13] <Smanly> symby12: You can do what ever you want, but that doesnt mean you can let other people play for free.
#2486 [22:14] <tyteen4a03> tsthgxts, he is going to assist you I believe
#2487 [22:14] <Smanly> You buy thr account, not the game.
#2488 [22:14] <tsthgxts> kk
#2489 [22:14] <Lord_Ralex> tsthgxts, what was your original issue to begin with
#2490 [22:14] <Lord_Ralex> because you have confuesd me
#2491 [22:14] <Essentials_556> i am renting a server
#2492 [22:14] <symby12> well shes my sister. its not like i am handing it out, are you saying that i have to buy it for every computer?
#2493 [22:14] <tsthgxts> that i cant migrate my account or something because it says my account doesnt exist
#2494 [22:14] <Lord_Ralex> tsthgxts, you don't need to migrate
#2495 [22:14] <Lord_Ralex> actually, you cannot
#2496 [22:15] <tsthgxts> okay
#2497 [22:15] <Smanly> symby12: Not per computer, but if you want to play together, you need to buy the game.
#2498 [22:15] <tsthgxts> but i still cant use my account
#2499 [22:15] <Lord_Ralex> tsthgxts, are you using your email to log in to the game
#2500 [22:15] <Smanly> symby12: You can play on a different computer using your account.
#2501 [22:15] <tyteen4a03> symby12, 2 people needs 2 copies in order to play together, etc.
#2502 [22:15] <tyteen4a03> s/needs/need
#2503 [22:15] <sketchman1981> symby12 you don't have to buy it for every computer, but when you purchase the game it gives you 1 account, unless they still do the buy one get one deal
#2504 [22:15] <tsthgxts> im using my username but its not working
#2505 [22:15] <Lord_Ralex> tsthgxts, you have ot use youe email
#2506 [22:15] <symby12> i did buy the game for my laptop though, so do you mean if i log in as me on both it will work?
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#2508 [22:15] <tyteen4a03> symby12, no
#2509 [22:15] <Lord_Ralex> tsthgxts, Mojang accounts use emails to log in, not usernames
#2510 [22:15] <tsthgxts> i tried it dont work
#2511 [22:16] <Lord_Ralex> tsthgxts, and what error does it give
#2512 [22:16] <tyteen4a03> symby12, if you want to let your sister play together with you, you need another copy of Minecraft
#2513 [22:16] <tsthgxts> bro i dont use a mojang
#2514 [22:16] <tyteen4a03> symby12, however, if you let your sister play as you, you don't need another copy, but you won't be able to play together
#2515 [22:16] <tsthgxts> minecraft.net
#2516 [22:16] <symby12> bought? or copy it off my computer
#2517 [22:16] <Lord_Ralex> tsthgxts, you have a mojang account
#2518 [22:16] <tyteen4a03> symby12, buy another copy, yes
#2519 [22:16] <Smanly> symby12: It will let you play on both, yes. but you wont be able to play on a server simultanuously.
#2520 [22:16] <Lord_Ralex> tsthgxts, now again
#2521 [22:16] <tsthgxts> yes i made one jst incae
#2522 [22:16] <Lord_Ralex> tsthgxts, what does it say when you use your email
#2523 [22:16] <tyteen4a03> tsthgxts, if you are logging in with your email, then you have a Mojang account
#2524 [22:16] <Lord_Ralex> of the old account
#2525 [22:16] <symby12> darn. okay thankyou!
#2526 [22:16] <Johnny> Voxel/LordRalex, done
#2527 [22:16] <Smanly> symby12: Or rather, play on the same server at the same time.
#2528 [22:17] <symby12> well it wont let her join servers
#2529 [22:17] <Johnny> (Was somethign supposed to happen when I did that command in the terminal?)
#2530 [22:17] <Smanly> symby12: Exactly.
#2531 [22:17] <Lord_Ralex> Johnny, do oyu see the folder now?
#2532 [22:17] <tyteen4a03> Johnny, no
#2533 [22:17] <tsthgxts> look wen i log into MOJANG it says migrate my minecraft accoaccount if i have purchased it
#2534 [22:17] <Smanly> She didnt buy the game.
#2535 [22:17] <symby12> ????????
#2536 [22:17] <tyteen4a03> Johnny, it should not return anything
#2537 [22:17] <Johnny> No, still no folder
#2538 [22:17] <Lord_Ralex> tsthgxts, are you using the email from the OLD account
#2539 [22:17] <Lord_Ralex> not the new
#2540 [22:17] <Lord_Ralex> the odl
#2541 [22:17] <Lord_Ralex> old*
#2542 [22:17] <Johnny> I typed: chflags nohidden ~/Library
#2543 [22:17] <Lord_Ralex> VoxelHead, quiet
#2544 [22:17] <symby12> ok.......im gonna go thankyou!
#2545 [22:17] <tyteen4a03> symby12, are you letting your sister use your account to log in, NOT using Play Offline?
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#2547 [22:18] <tsthgxts> and wen im on minecrfat.net it says username needs to be migrated or username doesnt exist
#2548 [22:18] <tyteen4a03> tsthgxts, are you using your email to log into Minecraft?
#2549 [22:18] <tsthgxts> yes
#2550 [22:18] <Essentials_556> if i can log into the world just fine, but someone else says that they cannot connect, how can i help him. i am renting a server
#2551 [22:18] <tsthgxts> no
#2552 [22:18] <tyteen4a03> Essentials_556, server IP please?
#2553 [22:18] <tyteen4a03> tsthgxts, you're using your Minecraft.net username?
#2554 [22:18] <tsthgxts> yes
#2555 [22:19] <tyteen4a03> ??> Essentials_556 scold/pm
#2556 [22:19] <VoxelHead> Essentials_556: (scold/pm) We prefer to assist people publicly, so that others can benefit if they have similar questions. Please don't PM people who are assisting you unless they have asked you to, or you are sending private information.
#2557 [22:19] <tyteen4a03> tsthgxts, send an email to Mojang for manual migration, with your Minecraft.net username and your transaction ID
#2558 [22:19] <tyteen4a03> ??> tsthgxts mojang/email
#2559 [22:19] <VoxelHead> tsthgxts: (mojang/email) You can email Mojang by going here: http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/emails/new
#2560 [22:19] <Essentials_556> 77.111.203.25:25565 is my serve IP
#2561 [22:20] <tyteen4a03> !check 77.111.203.25:25565
#2562 [22:20] <tyteen4a03> Essentials_556, can you get the user who has this problem here?
#2563 [22:20] <Essentials_556> i can try
#2564 [22:21] <Johnny> Lord_Ralex, I typed chflags nohidden ~/Library in Terminal, but stil don't see that folder
#2565 [22:21] <tyteen4a03> Johnny, make sure you're looking at /Users/YourUsername/Library
#2566 [22:22] <Johnny> Thanks tyteen, that was it.
#2567 [22:22] <Johnny> Okay, I've found the minecraft folder.
#2568 [22:22] <Johnny> Yay!
#2569 [22:23] <tyteen4a03> Johnny, no problem
#2570 [22:23] <Johnny> So, now what. The goal is to downgrade my client.
#2571 [22:23] <tyteen4a03> ??> Johnny downgrade/1.4.7
#2572 [22:23] <VoxelHead> Johnny: (downgrade/1.4.7) To downgrade minecraft to version 1.4.7, first download this file: http://assets.minecraft.net/1_4_7/minecraft.jar
#2573 [22:24] <VoxelHead> Johnny: (downgrade/1.4.7) Once you have downloaded it, move it to the bin folder and overwrite the existing file there. (To find the bin folder, see win/.minecraft, mac/.minecraft, or linux/.minecraft)
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#2575 [22:25] <Johnny> Done
#2576 [22:25] <tyteen4a03> Johnny, now run Minecraft again
#2577 [22:26] <Johnny> OMG, it WORKS!!!!!!!!!
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#2579 [22:27] <Johnny> So, why can't I use the current client with my server?
#2580 [22:27] <Lord_Ralex> your server is 1.4.7
#2581 [22:27] <Lord_Ralex> the client is 1.5.1
#2582 [22:27] <Lord_Ralex> they are not compatible
#2583 [22:28] <Johnny> *lol*
#2584 [22:28] <Johnny> Yes, I get that. Why is my server so old?
#2585 [22:28] <Johnny> I want a shiny new server.
#2586 [22:28] <Johnny> Don't I?
#2587 [22:28] <Lord_Ralex> you want to wait for bukkit
#2588 [22:29] <Johnny> Apologies if this is a silly question, but is bukkit one of several brands of server maker?
#2589 [22:30] <Lord_Ralex> there are a few
#2590 [22:30] <Lord_Ralex> but bukkit is the most popular i would say atm
#2591 [22:30] <Johnny> And bukket makes stinky old servers?
#2592 [22:30] <Lord_Ralex> no
#2593 [22:30] <Johnny> OK. :)
#2594 [22:30] <Extreme> Johnny: bukkit is available for 1.5 but as a dev build
#2595 [22:30] <Lord_Ralex> They have yet to update the software
#2596 [22:30] <Lord_Ralex> Dev buidls are unstable and should not be used on liv servers unless you want to gind bugs
#2597 [22:30] <Johnny> Thanks very much for your help.
#2598 [22:30] <Lord_Ralex> Wait for a beta build at least
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#2600 [22:31] <Johnny> My next trick is going to be to update the client on my son's PC.
#2601 [22:31] <Johnny> Or rather, downgrade it.
#2602 [22:32] <tyteen4a03> Johnny, PC?
#2603 [22:32] <Johnny> *LOL* Windows machine.
#2604 [22:32] <tyteen4a03> Johnny, oh, play together thing
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#2606 [22:34] <Johnny> That's a simplification, but for our purposes now, I'll say "Yes."
#2607 [22:34] <tyteen4a03> Johnny, I remember people :P
#2608 [22:34] <benny> hi i have a problem , i am not able to play a game i bought
#2609 [22:34] <tyteen4a03> benny, have you set up a Minecraft profile name yet?
#2610 [22:35] <benny> no
#2611 [22:35] * Mikko_Away is now known as Mikko_blu
#2612 [22:35] <benny> i created an account
#2613 [22:35] <tyteen4a03> benny, set one up first at http://account.mojang.com/me
#2614 [22:35] <Johnny> Tyteen, that's a simplification, but close enough for our current purposes
#2615 [22:35] <tyteen4a03> Johnny, :P
#2616 [22:37] <benny> i am trying to reset the password, pls wait thank u
#2617 [22:37] * tyteen4a03 pokes Syfaro
#2617 [22:37] <Syfaro> hm?
#2618 [22:38] * cestislife hands Syfaro bricks
#2618 [22:38] <cestislife> >_>
#2619 [22:38] <cestislife> <_<
#2620 [22:38] <benny> i am logged in but it says my pin is already redeemed
#2621 [22:39] <tyteen4a03> benny, what do you see under My Games?
#2622 [22:39] <tyteen4a03> cestislife, Syfaro still hasn't taken the hint yes
#2623 [22:39] <tyteen4a03> oh well
#2624 [22:39] <Syfaro> what
#2625 [22:40] <benny> it says 3 games one is mine craft
#2626 [22:40] <tyteen4a03> Syfaro, do you see /invites?
#2627 [22:40] <benny> no
#2628 [22:40] <tyteen4a03> benny, does it also show your username?
#2629 [22:40] <tyteen4a03> ??> benny irc/multitasking
#2630 [22:40] <VoxelHead> benny: (irc/multitasking) In IRC, many people can be having multiple conversations at the same time. Don't presume that everything anyone says is meant for you. In most cases, when there are several things going on at once, people will prefix the addressee's nick to the message to clarify for whom it is intended.
#2631 [22:40] <benny> it says my email
#2632 [22:41] <benny> ok tyteen
#2633 [22:41] <tyteen4a03> benny, have you received an email telling you to set up a MC profile name?
#2634 [22:42] <benny> no
#2635 [22:42] <tyteen4a03> benny, have you been charged?
#2636 [22:42] <tyteen4a03> wait that's a stupid question
#2637 [22:42] <benny> i first the pin and all it says s that its already redeemed , this is my first game
#2638 [22:43] <tyteen4a03> benny, click on the email next to Minecraft, it should take you to username set up
#2639 [22:44] <benny> i am sorry tyteen , but were is it exact;ly i see only my email
#2640 [22:45] <tyteen4a03> benny, click on the email
#2641 [22:45] <Johnny> I'm trying to get that 1.4.7 jar file on a win machine. Is the URL the same as for a mac: http://assets.minecraft.net/1_4_7/minecraft.jar
#2642 [22:46] <Lord_Ralex> Johnny, yes
#2643 [22:46] <Lord_Ralex> ??> win/.minecraft
#2644 [22:46] <Lord_Ralex> gah
#2645 [22:46] <Lord_Ralex> ??> Johnny win/.minecraft
#2646 [22:46] <VoxelHead> Johnny: (win/.minecraft) To get at Minecraft's locally stored files on Windows, press Win+R, and in the window that appears, type "%AppData%\.minecraft", and click OK.
#2647 [22:46] <benny> there is no link i cannot click on it
#2648 [22:48] <Johnny> Got the Bin, thanks Vox
#2649 [22:48] <Johnny> Just can't get that jar yet
#2650 [22:48] <tyteen4a03> benny, hang on
#2651 [22:48] <benny> sure
#2652 [22:49] <Lord_Ralex> Johnny, going to the link should ask you to download the file
#2653 [22:49] <tyteen4a03> benny, http://i.imgur.com/F7U2nn9.png
#2654 [22:50] <Johnny> getting an error message. maybe mistyping it, but I don't see how
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#2656 [22:51] <Johnny> got it, asset not assett
#2657 [22:52] <benny> this doesnt do anything I dont see any other name other than my email on top. and i cannot click on that to go anywhere ;(
#2658 [22:53] <tyteen4a03> benny, oh, then you don't have Minecraft associated yet
#2659 [22:54] <tyteen4a03> benny, send an email to Mojang with your gift code, Mojang account and desired Minecraft username
#2660 [22:54] <tyteen4a03> ??> benny mojang/email
#2661 [22:54] <VoxelHead> benny: (mojang/email) You can email Mojang by going here: http://help.mojang.com/customer/portal/emails/new
#2662 [22:54] <benny> ok
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#2664 [22:57] <benny> thank you i send it
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#2666 [22:58] <Braydon> hello?
#2667 [22:58] <Extreme> Brandon: ask your question
#2668 [22:59] <Braydon> I bought a prepaid card at Walmart for Minecraft and set up an account. it says I have to verify my email but I have not recieved an email so that I ca verify it.
#2669 [22:59] <Braydon> What do I do now?
#2670 [23:00] <Extreme> How long have you waited?
#2671 [23:00] <Braydon> 2 days
#2672 [23:00] <tyteen4a03> Braydon, what email provider are you using?
#2673 [23:00] <Braydon> yahoo
#2674 [23:00] <tyteen4a03> Braydon, check your spam folder
#2675 [23:01] <Braydon> i did but what exactly am I looking for
#2676 [23:01] <tyteen4a03> Braydon, an email from Mojang
#2677 [23:01] <Braydon> there isn't anything in there
#2678 [23:01] <Braydon> no emails
#2679 [23:02] <Braydon> so what do I do then?
#2680 [23:02] <tyteen4a03> Braydon, I would suggest using Gmail to sign up
#2681 [23:03] <Braydon> it keeps saying that I should receive an email momentarily but I havent received anything
#2682 [23:03] <Extreme> Are you sure you don't have a typo?
#2683 [23:03] <Braydon> ok I will try. Thank you.
#2684 [23:04] <Braydon> im sure
#2685 [23:04] <Braydon> have checked it and checked it
#2686 [23:04] <Braydon> and my mom has too
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#2688 [23:07] <Johnny> Hello, I'm trying to download the 1_4_7 jar file for Windows. What I'm getting is an enormous zip that doesn't have that jar file. any ideas?
#2689 [23:08] <Johnny> i ask for a jar but get a zip
#2690 [23:08] <tyteen4a03> Johnny, you are not to open the jar file with WinRar
#2691 [23:08] <Johnny> ah, okay
#2692 [23:09] <Johnny> (I'm new on windows.)
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#2694 [23:09] <Johnny> Still, though, the file it's grabbing is called a zip
#2695 [23:09] <Lord_Ralex> are you using IE
#2696 [23:10] <Johnny> yes
#2697 [23:10] <Lord_Ralex> ?? fubar/ie
#2698 [23:10] <Lord_Ralex> gah
#2699 [23:10] <Lord_Ralex> ?? win/ie
#2700 [23:10] <VoxelHead> win/ie: Internet Exploder^WExploiter^WExplorer is a terrible browser with terrible issues. Many common problems are solved by using a better browser.
#2701 [23:10] <VoxelHead> win/ie: Firefox: http://www.mozilla.org/firefox/ Google Chrome: http://www.google.com/chrome
#2702 [23:10] <Johnny> Ah, of course.
#2703 [23:10] <Johnny> it has chrome too, I'll do that
#2704 [23:10] <Lord_Ralex> ie is renaming it to a zip
#2705 [23:10] <Lord_Ralex> (cause it is dumb)
#2706 [23:11] <tyteen4a03> Lord_Ralex, fubar is for zonealarm, tunngle and hamachi
#2707 [23:11] <tyteen4a03> nic too but haven't seen one that needs one yet
#2708 [23:11] <Lord_Ralex> tyteen4a03, still
#2709 [23:11] <Lord_Ralex> should be :P
#2710 [23:11] <Lord_Ralex> mind defaults to fubar for that
#2711 [23:11] <tyteen4a03> sure
#2712 [23:12] <tyteen4a03> ??+ fubar/ie|Internet Exploder/Exploiter/Explorer is a terrible browser with terrible issues. Many common problems are solved by using a better browser.;;Google Chrome: http://www.google.com/chrome Firefox: http://www.mozilla.org/firefox
#2713 [23:12] <tyteen4a03> ??- win/ie
#2714 [23:12] <tyteen4a03> ??< fubar/ie
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#2717 [23:19] <Bugboy1028> fubar?
#2718 [23:20] <tyteen4a03> Bugboy1028, f-ed up beyond all repair
#2719 [23:21] <Johnny> I got it to work on the Windows machine as well. Thanks everyone for your help!!
#2720 [23:21] <tyteen4a03> Johnny, no problem
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#2725 [23:45] <Bradley> have they fixed the minecraft thing
#2726 [23:46] <DiskDaemon> which thing?
#2727 [23:46] <Bradley> the error code when i try to play the game
#2728 [23:46] <DiskDaemon> What error code?
#2729 [23:47] <Bradley> hmm idk
#2730 [23:47] <DiskDaemon> Bradley: You're going to have to provide more information, if you want better answers
#2731 [23:47] <tyteen4a03> Bradley, I have another idea
#2732 [23:47] <tyteen4a03> ??< Bradley gpu/intel
#2733 [23:47] <tyteen4a03> ugh
#2734 [23:47] <tyteen4a03> ??< gpu/intel
#2735 [23:47] <Bradley> yeah buddy
#2736 [23:48] <tyteen4a03> Bradley, http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&DwnldID=22375&lang=eng
#2737 [23:48] <tyteen4a03> Bradley, install this again
#2738 [23:49] <Bradley> then restart my pc
#2739 [23:49] <Bradley> wtf its working
#2740 [23:50] <Bradley> it just started working
#2741 [23:50] <Bradley> OMG
#2742 [23:50] <Bradley> OMG
#2743 [23:50] <Bradley> OMG
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#2745 [23:53] <Bradley> hey its started to work i dont know how but thank u
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